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00:03:19,033\n1060他是在星期一的時候全面停止了維護日期的好這樣子包括WIN11的我們現在還有427台我現在是針對中南部的141家的農漁會那這樣的結果也就是說75%在農在南部當中75%的電腦資訊是完全漏落問題的\n\n11\n00:03:30,502 --> 00:03:48,032\n好那如果今天我要來做更新的話我們Windows11不需要更新外共有1656部電腦全部要更新我如果用最低等級一台27000這四架大概要花五六千萬但是那個是根本沒有辦法去運\n\n12\n00:03:49,073 --> 00:03:49,513\n那這都不包含\n\n13\n00:04:05,882 --> 00:04:10,424\n我這個網路的483臺的印表機跟159臺的防火牆這我是針對中南部的農業會一百事實以下做了盤點所以呢在農業會的資訊設備現況根本不符合AI有六大困境第一個導入資訊化已經30年了第二個伺服器老舊容易故障第三個易產生系統相容性的問題第四個執行效能緩慢\n\n14\n00:04:29,110 --> 00:04:33,012\n第5個資安的風險資料容易遺失再來軟體開發支出是龐大的經費這都還不算在裡面好那為了讓我們的農業決策不是只有我要肯定部長的部分你們確實在我幾次的質詢之後在陳其仲主委的時候包括您當部長\n\n15\n00:04:50,521 --> 00:04:56,146\n我非常肯定你們真的在你們的部本部內開始了這個資訊化的智慧化的一個整個雲端系統的一個整合那我們基層的農漁會呢?如果我基層的農漁會沒有辦法在整個系統朝向高運算的這樣的系統你怎麼勾結?\n\n16\n00:05:11,420 --> 00:05:16,263\n在有一些相關的我們的這個產銷資訊農業的養殖你怎麼勾結你怎麼掌握我的菜土菜金供需失衡的問題今天要推這個農業智慧化就解決這個供需失調的問題我想這個是我一再的講這個如果能夠在\n\n17\n00:05:30,570 --> 00:05:56,981\n陳部長您任內能夠完成我這整個雲端智慧化決策智慧化包括基層農業的這個智慧化我想這是真的是根本的解決我們農漁會的菜土菜金的問題供銷失衡的問題這個是我真的是覺得是真的是這是我都覺得這個您在任內是已經不負不負不負人民了好所以在這個大數據當中我要有雲要智慧化就一定要精準的數據\n\n18\n00:05:58,698 --> 00:06:20,379\n所以在這個大數據平台建置雲端服務的平台．他至少初期先整合採請流程．人事資、薪資、財產、匯籍、保健、農健保．肥料競銷存這是初步這對我們的相關的這個農業的現況就先做了一個掌握了．電子公文等非金融資訊的部分\n\n19\n00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:50,078\n如果我這個資訊共用架構整個農漁會整合在一塊我就可以不要讓單獨的農漁會去做採購硬體自己去自建機房人力設備的營運成本我不需要一家農會自己去做我是整體的農會而且是跟我農業部整合在一塊的所以在雲端服務平台為基礎可進步藉由各農會掌握農漁民的健康保險的制度覆蓋的人口型態\n\n20\n00:06:54,504 --> 00:07:01,753\n農業政策的檢討改善的依據使人民的生活使農民的生活福祉有所保障未來加入這個才是重點農漁業的養種植產銷資訊\n\n21\n00:07:06,298 --> 00:07:16,668\n在這個大平台當中跟我們農業部勾結跟我們各縣市政府勾結協助農業生產永續經營的機制所以這也可以提供這個農業智慧會話所需的資訊未來我們希望他也一定是得這樣做整合我大器的資訊養種植的區塊養種植的技術等像例如現在的風災我們全面你可以怎麼樣免勘災\n\n22\n00:07:31,442 --> 00:07:52,964\n好這個其實我要肯定部長啦您這個從優從簡重述的部分您這次是真的我們到你這邊縣市政府到你這邊你隔天就合下去做相關的補助而且免勘災的部分這個本是給你最大的肯定所以像這樣災後的重建我也可以利用大數據的平台數據給農民最快速的協助好那為什麼農會農運會他\n\n23\n00:07:55,146 --> 00:08:10,443\n不願意投入這樣的成本因為根據農會人事的管理辦法第8條我農會每年的總用人人費人的人事費用是按照上年度的總收益也就是我賺的多我才更多用人\n\n24\n00:08:10,964 --> 00:08:15,047\n農運會為了增加人力跟留住人才每年的總收益就很重要如果我花大筆的錢去購買資訊設備我總收益就下降我排擠的人事經費我的競爭力當然下降所以在這本席我也主張在幾次的質詢都主張過\n\n25\n00:08:34,142 --> 00:08:50,468\n在針對農業部應該參考加薪負擔限制條文30年沒改了因本席要爭取購農漁會的用人費稀水各組提高10%這是一個編制表好我這邊具體要求有幾項第一個請農業部參考財團法人農漁會南區資訊中心\n\n26\n00:08:55,230 --> 00:08:58,752\n盤點這是他們財團法人盤點你自己總要盤點吧你根據他們的資料下去盤點他們盤點快將近快3到5個月我就記得到快要5個月很認真的盤點所以你們那個農糧署應該有一本厚厚他們的計劃書了中南部農業會的資訊老舊設備並嚴靈補助方案解決農業會的資訊設備所衍生的資安的問題\n\n27\n00:09:19,847 --> 00:09:30,457\n第二農業部嚴理農業會資訊系統共用平台發展計畫．使相關資料能互動有效提升農業會的經營效能第三請農業部審慎評估農業人士的管理辦法．爭取各農業會的用人費．薪水各組提高10%部長你怎麼看\n\n28\n00:09:43,945 --> 00:10:02,678\n非常簡要的回答委員的一些要求第一個部分就是農業部在推動農業的數位服務裡面那非常感謝委員這樣的一個規劃跟提示那我們大概分為兩個部分一個是硬體的部分一個是軟體的部分那硬體的部分要包括資訊中心\n\n29\n00:10:04,019 --> 00:10:04,159\n這我也認同\n\n30\n00:10:20,544 --> 00:10:28,573\n我認同,但是你一定要全面性,不要那種計畫型你只要就針對我141家整個中南部所有的農業會我想全國340家,我不能只針對130家我沒有意見,但是至少我南部的部分已經做好準備了\n\n31\n00:10:37,001 --> 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11不需要更新外共有1656部電腦全部要更新我如果用最低等級一台27000這四架大概要花五六千萬但是那個是根本沒有辦法去運\n229073\t229513\t那這都不包含\n245882\t250424\t我這個網路的483臺的印表機跟159臺的防火牆這我是針對中南部的農業會一百事實以下做了盤點所以呢在農業會的資訊設備現況根本不符合AI有六大困境第一個導入資訊化已經30年了第二個伺服器老舊容易故障第三個易產生系統相容性的問題第四個執行效能緩慢\n269110\t273012\t第5個資安的風險資料容易遺失再來軟體開發支出是龐大的經費這都還不算在裡面好那為了讓我們的農業決策不是只有我要肯定部長的部分你們確實在我幾次的質詢之後在陳其仲主委的時候包括您當部長\n290521\t296146\t我非常肯定你們真的在你們的部本部內開始了這個資訊化的智慧化的一個整個雲端系統的一個整合那我們基層的農漁會呢?如果我基層的農漁會沒有辦法在整個系統朝向高運算的這樣的系統你怎麼勾結?\n311420\t316263\t在有一些相關的我們的這個產銷資訊農業的養殖你怎麼勾結你怎麼掌握我的菜土菜金供需失衡的問題今天要推這個農業智慧化就解決這個供需失調的問題我想這個是我一再的講這個如果能夠在\n330570\t356981\t陳部長您任內能夠完成我這整個雲端智慧化決策智慧化包括基層農業的這個智慧化我想這是真的是根本的解決我們農漁會的菜土菜金的問題供銷失衡的問題這個是我真的是覺得是真的是這是我都覺得這個您在任內是已經不負不負不負人民了好所以在這個大數據當中我要有雲要智慧化就一定要精準的數據\n358698\t380379\t所以在這個大數據平台建置雲端服務的平台．他至少初期先整合採請流程．人事資、薪資、財產、匯籍、保健、農健保．肥料競銷存這是初步這對我們的相關的這個農業的現況就先做了一個掌握了．電子公文等非金融資訊的部分\n381400\t410078\t如果我這個資訊共用架構整個農漁會整合在一塊我就可以不要讓單獨的農漁會去做採購硬體自己去自建機房人力設備的營運成本我不需要一家農會自己去做我是整體的農會而且是跟我農業部整合在一塊的所以在雲端服務平台為基礎可進步藉由各農會掌握農漁民的健康保險的制度覆蓋的人口型態\n414504\t421753\t農業政策的檢討改善的依據使人民的生活使農民的生活福祉有所保障未來加入這個才是重點農漁業的養種植產銷資訊\n426298\t436668\t在這個大平台當中跟我們農業部勾結跟我們各縣市政府勾結協助農業生產永續經營的機制所以這也可以提供這個農業智慧會話所需的資訊未來我們希望他也一定是得這樣做整合我大器的資訊養種植的區塊養種植的技術等像例如現在的風災我們全面你可以怎麼樣免勘災\n451442\t472964\t好 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請農業部審慎評估農業人士的管理辦法．爭取各農業會的用人費．薪水各組提高10%部長你怎麼看\n583945\t602678\t非常簡要的回答委員的一些要求第一個部分就是農業部在推動農業的數位服務裡面那非常感謝委員這樣的一個規劃跟提示那我們大概分為兩個部分一個是硬體的部分一個是軟體的部分那硬體的部分要包括資訊中心\n604019\t604159\t這我也認同\n620544\t628573\t我認同,但是你一定要全面性,不要那種計畫型你只要就針對我141家整個中南部所有的農業會我想全國340家,我不能只針對130家我沒有意見,但是至少我南部的部分已經做好準備了\n637001\t654445\t部長我已經做好準備了沒有人我花了快到3到5個月不等另外有一些像印表機等他不是用買用租的反而會更有效率所以這個我們會跟他們溝通但是你支不支持這樣的計畫我們容易會多元系統的整合跟資訊共享你支持嗎一個月提出來好嗎一個月來回覆我針對我本席今天所質詢的部分好 謝謝\n","txt":"好 請林岱樺委員質詢有請部長請陳部長\n部長在正式質詢之前我想在禮拜一的時候在加拿大有一間飲料公司Boba他正式的道歉他道歉什麼呢是針對我們台灣的珍奶在國際上在創業的節目當中被文化扭曲了而這位漫威演員劉詩牧我們好萊塢的華裔演員他站出來\n我應該委員報告\n農業部絕對支持一級到三級到六級的一個產業也謝謝委員的一個支持\n主席\n農業部應加速協助更新全面進入農業的AI世代我這邊有幾個現況在做爬梳農業委員會的這個設備現況是不符合黑I的運用第三個農業多元系統整合跟資訊共用雲端服務的開發\n我講的是非金農的部分第4個 面對營收的壓力 農會淘汰也就是太重了就相對的保守本席有一個具體的 有些具體的要求好 在這個今年的5月29的時候本席也再次的提出我們的農業決策智慧化應該要盡速的更新我們的設備好 我再次的爬梳我們中南部\n李慧琼議員\n整個Windows、Windows XP、Windows 7、Windows 8這個時候我們已經這個都停止服務了2014年4月8號、2020、2023到Windows 10還有多少台的這個電腦呢\n1060他是在星期一的時候全面停止了維護日期的好這樣子包括WIN11的我們現在還有427台我現在是針對中南部的141家的農漁會那這樣的結果也就是說75%在農在南部當中75%的電腦資訊是完全漏落問題的\n好那如果今天我要來做更新的話我們Windows 11不需要更新外共有1656部電腦全部要更新我如果用最低等級一台27000這四架大概要花五六千萬但是那個是根本沒有辦法去運\n那這都不包含\n我這個網路的483臺的印表機跟159臺的防火牆這我是針對中南部的農業會一百事實以下做了盤點所以呢在農業會的資訊設備現況根本不符合AI有六大困境第一個導入資訊化已經30年了第二個伺服器老舊容易故障第三個易產生系統相容性的問題第四個執行效能緩慢\n第5個資安的風險資料容易遺失再來軟體開發支出是龐大的經費這都還不算在裡面好那為了讓我們的農業決策不是只有我要肯定部長的部分你們確實在我幾次的質詢之後在陳其仲主委的時候包括您當部長\n我非常肯定你們真的在你們的部本部內開始了這個資訊化的智慧化的一個整個雲端系統的一個整合那我們基層的農漁會呢?如果我基層的農漁會沒有辦法在整個系統朝向高運算的這樣的系統你怎麼勾結?\n在有一些相關的我們的這個產銷資訊農業的養殖你怎麼勾結你怎麼掌握我的菜土菜金供需失衡的問題今天要推這個農業智慧化就解決這個供需失調的問題我想這個是我一再的講這個如果能夠在\n陳部長您任內能夠完成我這整個雲端智慧化決策智慧化包括基層農業的這個智慧化我想這是真的是根本的解決我們農漁會的菜土菜金的問題供銷失衡的問題這個是我真的是覺得是真的是這是我都覺得這個您在任內是已經不負不負不負人民了好所以在這個大數據當中我要有雲要智慧化就一定要精準的數據\n所以在這個大數據平台建置雲端服務的平台．他至少初期先整合採請流程．人事資、薪資、財產、匯籍、保健、農健保．肥料競銷存這是初步這對我們的相關的這個農業的現況就先做了一個掌握了．電子公文等非金融資訊的部分\n如果我這個資訊共用架構整個農漁會整合在一塊我就可以不要讓單獨的農漁會去做採購硬體自己去自建機房人力設備的營運成本我不需要一家農會自己去做我是整體的農會而且是跟我農業部整合在一塊的所以在雲端服務平台為基礎可進步藉由各農會掌握農漁民的健康保險的制度覆蓋的人口型態\n農業政策的檢討改善的依據使人民的生活使農民的生活福祉有所保障未來加入這個才是重點農漁業的養種植產銷資訊\n在這個大平台當中跟我們農業部勾結跟我們各縣市政府勾結協助農業生產永續經營的機制所以這也可以提供這個農業智慧會話所需的資訊未來我們希望他也一定是得這樣做整合我大器的資訊養種植的區塊養種植的技術等像例如現在的風災我們全面你可以怎麼樣免勘災\n好 這個其實我要肯定部長啦您這個從優從簡重述的部分您這次是真的我們到你這邊縣市政府到你這邊你隔天就合下去做相關的補助而且免勘災的部分這個本是給你最大的肯定所以像這樣災後的重建我也可以利用大數據的平台數據給農民最快速的協助好 那為什麼農會 農運會他\n不願意投入這樣的成本因為根據農會人事的管理辦法第8條我農會每年的總用人人費人的人事費用是按照上年度的總收益也就是我賺的多我才更多用人\n農運會為了增加人力跟留住人才每年的總收益就很重要如果我花大筆的錢去購買資訊設備我總收益就下降我排擠的人事經費我的競爭力當然下降所以在這本席我也主張在幾次的質詢都主張過\n在針對農業部應該參考加薪負擔限制條文30年沒改了因本席要爭取購農漁會的用人費稀水各組提高10%這是一個編制表好我這邊具體要求有幾項第一個請農業部參考財團法人農漁會南區資訊中心\n盤點這是他們財團法人盤點你自己總要盤點吧你根據他們的資料下去盤點他們盤點快將近快3到5個月我就記得到快要5個月很認真的盤點所以你們那個農糧署應該有一本厚厚他們的計劃書了中南部農業會的資訊老舊設備並嚴靈補助方案解決農業會的資訊設備所衍生的資安的問題\n第二 農業部嚴理農業會資訊系統共用平台發展計畫．使相關資料能互動有效提升農業會的經營效能第三 請農業部審慎評估農業人士的管理辦法．爭取各農業會的用人費．薪水各組提高10%部長你怎麼看\n非常簡要的回答委員的一些要求第一個部分就是農業部在推動農業的數位服務裡面那非常感謝委員這樣的一個規劃跟提示那我們大概分為兩個部分一個是硬體的部分一個是軟體的部分那硬體的部分要包括資訊中心\n這我也認同\n我認同,但是你一定要全面性,不要那種計畫型你只要就針對我141家整個中南部所有的農業會我想全國340家,我不能只針對130家我沒有意見,但是至少我南部的部分已經做好準備了\n部長我已經做好準備了沒有人我花了快到3到5個月不等另外有一些像印表機等他不是用買用租的反而會更有效率所以這個我們會跟他們溝通但是你支不支持這樣的計畫我們容易會多元系統的整合跟資訊共享你支持嗎一個月提出來好嗎一個月來回覆我針對我本席今天所質詢的部分好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.578 --> 00:01.299\n好請林岱樺委員質詢有請部長請陳部長\n\n00:12.267 --> 00:14.809\n部長在正式質詢之前我想在禮拜一的時候在加拿大有一間飲料公司Boba他正式的道歉他道歉什麼呢是針對我們台灣的珍奶在國際上在創業的節目當中被文化扭曲了而這位漫威演員劉詩牧我們好萊塢的華裔演員他站出來\n\n00:38.390 --> 00:38.530\n我應該委員報告\n\n01:03.458 --> 01:09.102\n農業部絕對支持一級到三級到六級的一個產業也謝謝委員的一個支持\n\n01:23.929 --> 01:24.049\n主席\n\n01:42.159 --> 01:48.040\n農業部應加速協助更新全面進入農業的AI世代我這邊有幾個現況在做爬梳農業委員會的這個設備現況是不符合黑I的運用第三個農業多元系統整合跟資訊共用雲端服務的開發\n\n02:09.565 --> 02:26.389\n我講的是非金農的部分第4個面對營收的壓力農會淘汰也就是太重了就相對的保守本席有一個具體的有些具體的要求好在這個今年的5月29的時候本席也再次的提出我們的農業決策智慧化應該要盡速的更新我們的設備好我再次的爬梳我們中南部\n\n02:34.991 --> 02:35.091\n李慧琼議員\n\n02:49.571 --> 02:58.177\n整個Windows、WindowsXP、Windows7、Windows8這個時候我們已經這個都停止服務了2014年4月8號、2020、2023到Windows10還有多少台的這個電腦呢\n\n03:07.224 --> 03:19.033\n1060他是在星期一的時候全面停止了維護日期的好這樣子包括WIN11的我們現在還有427台我現在是針對中南部的141家的農漁會那這樣的結果也就是說75%在農在南部當中75%的電腦資訊是完全漏落問題的\n\n03:30.502 --> 03:48.032\n好那如果今天我要來做更新的話我們Windows11不需要更新外共有1656部電腦全部要更新我如果用最低等級一台27000這四架大概要花五六千萬但是那個是根本沒有辦法去運\n\n03:49.073 --> 03:49.513\n那這都不包含\n\n04:05.882 --> 04:10.424\n我這個網路的483臺的印表機跟159臺的防火牆這我是針對中南部的農業會一百事實以下做了盤點所以呢在農業會的資訊設備現況根本不符合AI有六大困境第一個導入資訊化已經30年了第二個伺服器老舊容易故障第三個易產生系統相容性的問題第四個執行效能緩慢\n\n04:29.110 --> 04:33.012\n第5個資安的風險資料容易遺失再來軟體開發支出是龐大的經費這都還不算在裡面好那為了讓我們的農業決策不是只有我要肯定部長的部分你們確實在我幾次的質詢之後在陳其仲主委的時候包括您當部長\n\n04:50.521 --> 04:56.146\n我非常肯定你們真的在你們的部本部內開始了這個資訊化的智慧化的一個整個雲端系統的一個整合那我們基層的農漁會呢?如果我基層的農漁會沒有辦法在整個系統朝向高運算的這樣的系統你怎麼勾結?\n\n05:11.420 --> 05:16.263\n在有一些相關的我們的這個產銷資訊農業的養殖你怎麼勾結你怎麼掌握我的菜土菜金供需失衡的問題今天要推這個農業智慧化就解決這個供需失調的問題我想這個是我一再的講這個如果能夠在\n\n05:30.570 --> 05:56.981\n陳部長您任內能夠完成我這整個雲端智慧化決策智慧化包括基層農業的這個智慧化我想這是真的是根本的解決我們農漁會的菜土菜金的問題供銷失衡的問題這個是我真的是覺得是真的是這是我都覺得這個您在任內是已經不負不負不負人民了好所以在這個大數據當中我要有雲要智慧化就一定要精準的數據\n\n05:58.698 --> 06:20.379\n所以在這個大數據平台建置雲端服務的平台．他至少初期先整合採請流程．人事資、薪資、財產、匯籍、保健、農健保．肥料競銷存這是初步這對我們的相關的這個農業的現況就先做了一個掌握了．電子公文等非金融資訊的部分\n\n06:21.400 --> 06:50.078\n如果我這個資訊共用架構整個農漁會整合在一塊我就可以不要讓單獨的農漁會去做採購硬體自己去自建機房人力設備的營運成本我不需要一家農會自己去做我是整體的農會而且是跟我農業部整合在一塊的所以在雲端服務平台為基礎可進步藉由各農會掌握農漁民的健康保險的制度覆蓋的人口型態\n\n06:54.504 --> 07:01.753\n農業政策的檢討改善的依據使人民的生活使農民的生活福祉有所保障未來加入這個才是重點農漁業的養種植產銷資訊\n\n07:06.298 --> 07:16.668\n在這個大平台當中跟我們農業部勾結跟我們各縣市政府勾結協助農業生產永續經營的機制所以這也可以提供這個農業智慧會話所需的資訊未來我們希望他也一定是得這樣做整合我大器的資訊養種植的區塊養種植的技術等像例如現在的風災我們全面你可以怎麼樣免勘災\n\n07:31.442 --> 07:52.964\n好這個其實我要肯定部長啦您這個從優從簡重述的部分您這次是真的我們到你這邊縣市政府到你這邊你隔天就合下去做相關的補助而且免勘災的部分這個本是給你最大的肯定所以像這樣災後的重建我也可以利用大數據的平台數據給農民最快速的協助好那為什麼農會農運會他\n\n07:55.146 --> 08:10.443\n不願意投入這樣的成本因為根據農會人事的管理辦法第8條我農會每年的總用人人費人的人事費用是按照上年度的總收益也就是我賺的多我才更多用人\n\n08:10.964 --> 08:15.047\n農運會為了增加人力跟留住人才每年的總收益就很重要如果我花大筆的錢去購買資訊設備我總收益就下降我排擠的人事經費我的競爭力當然下降所以在這本席我也主張在幾次的質詢都主張過\n\n08:34.142 --> 08:50.468\n在針對農業部應該參考加薪負擔限制條文30年沒改了因本席要爭取購農漁會的用人費稀水各組提高10%這是一個編制表好我這邊具體要求有幾項第一個請農業部參考財團法人農漁會南區資訊中心\n\n08:55.230 --> 08:58.752\n盤點這是他們財團法人盤點你自己總要盤點吧你根據他們的資料下去盤點他們盤點快將近快3到5個月我就記得到快要5個月很認真的盤點所以你們那個農糧署應該有一本厚厚他們的計劃書了中南部農業會的資訊老舊設備並嚴靈補助方案解決農業會的資訊設備所衍生的資安的問題\n\n09:19.847 --> 09:30.457\n第二農業部嚴理農業會資訊系統共用平台發展計畫．使相關資料能互動有效提升農業會的經營效能第三請農業部審慎評估農業人士的管理辦法．爭取各農業會的用人費．薪水各組提高10%部長你怎麼看\n\n09:43.945 --> 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