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00:02:48,176\n這些科學化的信心工具要導入被擋了那當然我們一直不足的矯正經費也受了影響所以我這裡整理的11.26億元這段時間你們有沒有強化跟朝野的委員做說明呼籲倡議\n\n9\n00:02:50,700 --> 00:03:16,120\n每一分每一秒每一毛都是必要之用的計畫項目不是嗎是我們這部分我們有請我們及本部及所屬就有這新新的這個計畫我們就是要拜託委員來多一個支持因為這的確很重要像調查局有些科技辦案的這些要整個一個新的一個犯罪手法的一個查緝的\n\n10\n00:03:16,620 --> 00:03:18,583\n委員們不要在質詢的時候要求看到打炸的成果然後擋打炸的預算\n\n11\n00:03:32,503 --> 00:03:47,642\n委員們不要在法制委員會每次都為司法人員的權益大聲疾呼要照顧司法人員減壓然後預算砍了也不要委員們每次在這裡說我們對於改善我們的監獄預鎖這個看守所所有的\n\n12\n00:03:51,491 --> 00:04:03,888\n這些矯正相關的作業要升級要更人道要跟上國際的人權思維結果預算都沒丁沒當我再次期待稍後的\n\n13\n00:04:05,154 --> 00:04:14,985\n朝野協商我們可以讓該做的事情每一分每一毫都要用在刀口上唯有透過實質的審查才能夠對預算的編列跟執行的計畫進行嚴格的把關跟審視而不是擋著不審擋著擺爛擋著來癱瘓國家\n\n14\n00:04:27,011 --> 00:04:49,000\n那我接下來下一頁我接下來講的預政改革跟預算也大有相關其實我們對於這個收容人不管是在監獄或是看守所整個環境的改善我知道你們逐步在做有5所包括監獄跟看守所有的是擴建有的是興建但是總體來說下一頁\n\n15\n00:04:52,755 --> 00:05:13,749\n兩公約我們簽署的相關對於受刑人的人道處理尊重其天賦人格尊嚴之處喻等等兩公約這個是過去馬英九政府簽署我們認為要跟上國際所以回歸兩公約的規範下一頁\n\n16\n00:05:17,028 --> 00:05:17,308\n我這裡的數據我就直接\n\n17\n00:05:34,228 --> 00:05:39,351\n來詢問合定收容的人數是60552實際收容是58889位看似沒有超收是真的嗎部長數字會說話\n\n18\n00:05:50,599 --> 00:06:15,796\n這是總數嗎總數是沒有超收啦齁但是個別的監所這個是收容是不一樣所以我們要勇敢面對問題解決問題我想這是一個老問題我要藉由今天的質詢還有後續我們審查總預算的時候好好來把關嚴格檢視下一頁我就以地區來分我的辦公室這段時間花了非常多的時間就全台灣的矯正機關每一所每一處\n\n19\n00:06:17,897 --> 00:06:34,146\n去瞭解去調查大台北桃竹苗地區15個收容矯正機關當中有10所是超收的平均超收都是兩成多三成多第一名就是臺北看守所他超收率是39.93%就是四成區別下一個\n\n20\n00:06:39,793 --> 00:07:03,633\n中張投地區8所當中6所超收﹐他的平均超收最高的是南投看守所﹐超收是28.9﹐其餘大概加起來也都是10多%的超收率﹐下一頁雲嘉南9所中有3所超收﹐超收最高的是臺南看守所﹐達到17.44%﹐下一頁\n\n21\n00:07:06,315 --> 00:07:18,925\n高屏地區7所矯正機關當中5所超收,超收率最高的是高雄第二監獄17.5%﹖下一頁﹖夷花東10所矯正機關3所超收﹖下一頁﹖離島當然收容人數比較少﹖\n\n22\n00:07:26,531 --> 00:07:28,273\n如果以所有的項目別我就以超收間數來計算\n\n23\n00:07:45,968 --> 00:08:07,858\n整體臺灣的矯正機關53%超收超收前五名我列在最右邊的表格第一名是臺北看守所第二名桃園監獄第三南投看守所第四新竹看守所第五苗栗看守所而總體來說看守所的超收比監獄更嚴重\n\n24\n00:08:10,839 --> 00:08:18,236\n而女性的女子監獄或是女子看守所她的人權待遇是更差的因為她都是百分之百抄手的\n\n25\n00:08:19,288 --> 00:08:47,626\n請把這些數據我希望今天的質詢之後你們可以提供完整的進一步資訊跟檢視的計畫跟給本席我們在討論預算的時候我們好好來來找出方法來解決它下一頁那我以你們開始推動的一人一床推動到現在還是有五成沒有達標當中就是看守所的進度最糟\n\n26\n00:08:48,789 --> 00:08:56,569\n部長這些問題下一頁怎麼解決需要預算嗎需要預算也需要有計畫\n\n27\n00:08:57,725 --> 00:08:58,145\n有到八成嗎?\n\n28\n00:09:21,431 --> 00:09:23,592\n法務部頒布的各監獄收容受刑人的這個基準表\n\n29\n00:09:49,488 --> 00:09:49,508\n吳思瑤議員\n\n30\n00:10:10,275 --> 00:10:11,576\n我回到最後一頁\n\n31\n00:10:38,474 --> 00:10:44,225\n前夜這邊是我也整理出來的您剛講我們這幾年投入了\n\n32\n00:10:45,716 --> 00:11:09,514\n經費去進行監獄的興建或擴建目前完工啟用的有臺北監獄宜蘭監獄但是這兩個完工擴建的他還是超收換言之你已經花了錢沒有改到位他還是面臨超收這是當初規劃的問題還是在收容的部分沒有辦法去做一個管理\n\n33\n00:11:12,501 --> 00:11:36,082\n雲林第二監獄已經完工啟用了他一樣也是非常滿的他增加了1360個收容名額那我們看還有兩個新興計畫是八德外醫監跟彰化看守所當中5處要改善矯正機關的人道的這個空間改善只有一所是看守所就是彰化看守所\n\n34\n00:11:38,084 --> 00:11:53,135\n巴德和彰化目前還在執行中總的來看這五個裡面即便完工了他還是超收然後北部我剛剛給你看各區的分布圖北區的\n\n35\n00:11:54,301 --> 00:11:54,801\n好謝謝委員我們會全力來\n\n36\n00:12:23,717 --> 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我們會全力來\n743717\t744417\t省委員發會質詢\n","txt":"好謝謝主席那部長喝口水辛苦大家好有請鄭部長好有請鄭部長謝謝\n委員早安部長早安我們所有法務部的同仁大家辛苦了那現在的時間是上午9點35分再過25分鐘我們即將要跟朝野各黨團包括韓國瑜院長召集了協商終於希望能夠針對總預算案能不能夠成功地突破僵局能夠赴為審查稍後的協商我想社會都在看全民都在等\n那我也整理了一下在總預算其實沒有辦法審查預算法54條的規範之下呢新興的計畫新增的預算沒有辦法執行所以total來到2050億\n所以這2050億方方面面攸關照顧人民福祉臺灣的建設要進步能不能夠來化解我們稍後會有答案但是呢下一頁就您所執掌的法務部主管的相關預算受影響的有哪些\n這部分總共有跟委員報告那法務部影響的這部分有新興計畫的有總共有11項包括法醫研究所的強化法醫鑑識能量的科技計畫矯正屬的有矯正機關科技安全網建置計畫以及矯正機關\n總統有11項,我整理出來大概數額會是11.26億\n他會focus在我們上會期剛剛完成的打詐司法裡頭打詐的新興的工具使用的升級所以呢打詐升級的預算被擋了那也包括你剛剛講的強化法醫鑑識的量能這些讓我們強化基層工作人員讓他辦案更專業也能夠減輕我們一直在司法法制委員會大家都說要為司法人員減壓\n這些科學化的信心工具要導入被擋了那當然我們一直不足的矯正經費也受了影響所以我這裡整理的11.26億元這段時間你們有沒有強化跟朝野的委員做說明呼籲倡議\n每一分每一秒每一毛都是必要之用的計畫項目不是嗎是我們這部分我們有請我們及本部及所屬就有這新新的這個計畫我們就是要拜託委員來多一個支持因為這的確很重要像調查局有些科技辦案的這些要整個一個新的一個犯罪手法的一個查緝的\n委員們不要在質詢的時候要求看到打炸的成果然後擋打炸的預算\n委員們不要在法制委員會每次都為司法人員的權益大聲疾呼要照顧司法人員減壓然後預算砍了也不要委員們每次在這裡說我們對於改善我們的監獄預鎖這個看守所所有的\n這些矯正相關的作業要升級要更人道要跟上國際的人權思維結果預算都沒丁沒當我再次期待稍後的\n朝野協商我們可以讓該做的事情每一分每一毫都要用在刀口上唯有透過實質的審查才能夠對預算的編列跟執行的計畫進行嚴格的把關跟審視而不是擋著不審擋著擺爛擋著來癱瘓國家\n那我接下來下一頁我接下來講的預政改革跟預算也大有相關其實我們對於這個收容人不管是在監獄或是看守所整個環境的改善我知道你們逐步在做有5所包括監獄跟看守所有的是擴建有的是興建但是總體來說下一頁\n兩公約我們簽署的相關對於受刑人的人道處理尊重其天賦人格尊嚴之處喻等等兩公約這個是過去馬英九政府簽署我們認為要跟上國際所以回歸兩公約的規範下一頁\n我這裡的數據我就直接\n來詢問合定收容的人數是60552實際收容是58889位看似沒有超收是真的嗎部長數字會說話\n這是總數嗎總數是沒有超收啦齁但是個別的監所這個是收容是不一樣所以我們要勇敢面對問題解決問題我想這是一個老問題我要藉由今天的質詢還有後續我們審查總預算的時候好好來把關嚴格檢視下一頁我就以地區來分我的辦公室這段時間花了非常多的時間就全台灣的矯正機關每一所每一處\n去瞭解去調查大台北桃竹苗地區15個收容矯正機關當中有10所是超收的平均超收都是兩成多三成多第一名就是臺北看守所他超收率是39.93%就是四成區別下一個\n中張投地區8所當中6所超收﹐他的平均超收最高的是南投看守所﹐超收是28.9﹐其餘大概加起來也都是10多%的超收率﹐下一頁雲嘉南9所中有3所超收﹐超收最高的是臺南看守所﹐達到17.44%﹐下一頁\n高屏地區7所矯正機關當中5所超收,超收率最高的是高雄第二監獄17.5%﹖下一頁﹖夷花東10所矯正機關3所超收﹖下一頁﹖離島當然收容人數比較少﹖\n如果以所有的項目別我就以超收間數來計算\n整體臺灣的矯正機關53%超收超收前五名我列在最右邊的表格第一名是臺北看守所第二名桃園監獄第三南投看守所第四新竹看守所第五苗栗看守所而總體來說看守所的超收比監獄更嚴重\n而女性的女子監獄或是女子看守所她的人權待遇是更差的因為她都是百分之百抄手的\n請把這些數據我希望今天的質詢之後你們可以提供完整的進一步資訊跟檢視的計畫跟給本席我們在討論預算的時候我們好好來來找出方法來解決它下一頁那我以你們開始推動的一人一床推動到現在還是有五成沒有達標當中就是看守所的進度最糟\n部長這些問題下一頁怎麼解決需要預算嗎需要預算也需要有計畫\n有到八成嗎?\n法務部頒布的各監獄收容受刑人的這個基準表\n吳思瑤議員\n我回到最後一頁\n前夜這邊是我也整理出來的您剛講我們這幾年投入了\n經費去進行監獄的興建或擴建目前完工啟用的有臺北監獄宜蘭監獄但是這兩個完工擴建的他還是超收換言之你已經花了錢沒有改到位他還是面臨超收這是當初規劃的問題還是在收容的部分沒有辦法去做一個管理\n雲林第二監獄已經完工啟用了他一樣也是非常滿的他增加了1360個收容名額那我們看還有兩個新興計畫是八德外醫監跟彰化看守所當中5處要改善矯正機關的人道的這個空間改善只有一所是看守所就是彰化看守所\n巴德和彰化目前還在執行中總的來看這五個裡面即便完工了他還是超收然後北部我剛剛給你看各區的分布圖北區的\n好 謝謝委員 我們會全力來\n省委員發會質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.492 --> 00:08.197\n好謝謝主席那部長喝口水辛苦大家好有請鄭部長好有請鄭部長謝謝\n\n00:15.376 --> 00:42.673\n委員早安部長早安我們所有法務部的同仁大家辛苦了那現在的時間是上午9點35分再過25分鐘我們即將要跟朝野各黨團包括韓國瑜院長召集了協商終於希望能夠針對總預算案能不能夠成功地突破僵局能夠赴為審查稍後的協商我想社會都在看全民都在等\n\n00:43.513 --> 00:48.579\n那我也整理了一下在總預算其實沒有辦法審查預算法54條的規範之下呢新興的計畫新增的預算沒有辦法執行所以total來到2050億\n\n00:59.111 --> 01:17.734\n所以這2050億方方面面攸關照顧人民福祉臺灣的建設要進步能不能夠來化解我們稍後會有答案但是呢下一頁就您所執掌的法務部主管的相關預算受影響的有哪些\n\n01:19.136 --> 01:33.793\n這部分總共有跟委員報告那法務部影響的這部分有新興計畫的有總共有11項包括法醫研究所的強化法醫鑑識能量的科技計畫矯正屬的有矯正機關科技安全網建置計畫以及矯正機關\n\n01:37.017 --> 01:37.677\n總統有11項,我整理出來大概數額會是11.26億\n\n02:02.128 --> 02:17.874\n他會focus在我們上會期剛剛完成的打詐司法裡頭打詐的新興的工具使用的升級所以呢打詐升級的預算被擋了那也包括你剛剛講的強化法醫鑑識的量能這些讓我們強化基層工作人員讓他辦案更專業也能夠減輕我們一直在司法法制委員會大家都說要為司法人員減壓\n\n02:29.819 --> 02:48.176\n這些科學化的信心工具要導入被擋了那當然我們一直不足的矯正經費也受了影響所以我這裡整理的11.26億元這段時間你們有沒有強化跟朝野的委員做說明呼籲倡議\n\n02:50.700 --> 03:16.120\n每一分每一秒每一毛都是必要之用的計畫項目不是嗎是我們這部分我們有請我們及本部及所屬就有這新新的這個計畫我們就是要拜託委員來多一個支持因為這的確很重要像調查局有些科技辦案的這些要整個一個新的一個犯罪手法的一個查緝的\n\n03:16.620 --> 03:18.583\n委員們不要在質詢的時候要求看到打炸的成果然後擋打炸的預算\n\n03:32.503 --> 03:47.642\n委員們不要在法制委員會每次都為司法人員的權益大聲疾呼要照顧司法人員減壓然後預算砍了也不要委員們每次在這裡說我們對於改善我們的監獄預鎖這個看守所所有的\n\n03:51.491 --> 04:03.888\n這些矯正相關的作業要升級要更人道要跟上國際的人權思維結果預算都沒丁沒當我再次期待稍後的\n\n04:05.154 --> 04:14.985\n朝野協商我們可以讓該做的事情每一分每一毫都要用在刀口上唯有透過實質的審查才能夠對預算的編列跟執行的計畫進行嚴格的把關跟審視而不是擋著不審擋著擺爛擋著來癱瘓國家\n\n04:27.011 --> 04:49.000\n那我接下來下一頁我接下來講的預政改革跟預算也大有相關其實我們對於這個收容人不管是在監獄或是看守所整個環境的改善我知道你們逐步在做有5所包括監獄跟看守所有的是擴建有的是興建但是總體來說下一頁\n\n04:52.755 --> 05:13.749\n兩公約我們簽署的相關對於受刑人的人道處理尊重其天賦人格尊嚴之處喻等等兩公約這個是過去馬英九政府簽署我們認為要跟上國際所以回歸兩公約的規範下一頁\n\n05:17.028 --> 05:17.308\n我這裡的數據我就直接\n\n05:34.228 --> 05:39.351\n來詢問合定收容的人數是60552實際收容是58889位看似沒有超收是真的嗎部長數字會說話\n\n05:50.599 --> 06:15.796\n這是總數嗎總數是沒有超收啦齁但是個別的監所這個是收容是不一樣所以我們要勇敢面對問題解決問題我想這是一個老問題我要藉由今天的質詢還有後續我們審查總預算的時候好好來把關嚴格檢視下一頁我就以地區來分我的辦公室這段時間花了非常多的時間就全台灣的矯正機關每一所每一處\n\n06:17.897 --> 06:34.146\n去瞭解去調查大台北桃竹苗地區15個收容矯正機關當中有10所是超收的平均超收都是兩成多三成多第一名就是臺北看守所他超收率是39.93%就是四成區別下一個\n\n06:39.793 --> 07:03.633\n中張投地區8所當中6所超收﹐他的平均超收最高的是南投看守所﹐超收是28.9﹐其餘大概加起來也都是10多%的超收率﹐下一頁雲嘉南9所中有3所超收﹐超收最高的是臺南看守所﹐達到17.44%﹐下一頁\n\n07:06.315 --> 07:18.925\n高屏地區7所矯正機關當中5所超收,超收率最高的是高雄第二監獄17.5%﹖下一頁﹖夷花東10所矯正機關3所超收﹖下一頁﹖離島當然收容人數比較少﹖\n\n07:26.531 --> 07:28.273\n如果以所有的項目別我就以超收間數來計算\n\n07:45.968 --> 08:07.858\n整體臺灣的矯正機關53%超收超收前五名我列在最右邊的表格第一名是臺北看守所第二名桃園監獄第三南投看守所第四新竹看守所第五苗栗看守所而總體來說看守所的超收比監獄更嚴重\n\n08:10.839 --> 08:18.236\n而女性的女子監獄或是女子看守所她的人權待遇是更差的因為她都是百分之百抄手的\n\n08:19.288 --> 08:47.626\n請把這些數據我希望今天的質詢之後你們可以提供完整的進一步資訊跟檢視的計畫跟給本席我們在討論預算的時候我們好好來來找出方法來解決它下一頁那我以你們開始推動的一人一床推動到現在還是有五成沒有達標當中就是看守所的進度最糟\n\n08:48.789 --> 08:56.569\n部長這些問題下一頁怎麼解決需要預算嗎需要預算也需要有計畫\n\n08:57.725 --> 08:58.145\n有到八成嗎?\n\n09:21.431 --> 09:23.592\n法務部頒布的各監獄收容受刑人的這個基準表\n\n09:49.488 --> 09:49.508\n吳思瑤議員\n\n10:10.275 --> 10:11.576\n我回到最後一頁\n\n10:38.474 --> 10:44.225\n前夜這邊是我也整理出來的您剛講我們這幾年投入了\n\n10:45.716 --> 11:09.514\n經費去進行監獄的興建或擴建目前完工啟用的有臺北監獄宜蘭監獄但是這兩個完工擴建的他還是超收換言之你已經花了錢沒有改到位他還是面臨超收這是當初規劃的問題還是在收容的部分沒有辦法去做一個管理\n\n11:12.501 --> 11:36.082\n雲林第二監獄已經完工啟用了他一樣也是非常滿的他增加了1360個收容名額那我們看還有兩個新興計畫是八德外醫監跟彰化看守所當中5處要改善矯正機關的人道的這個空間改善只有一所是看守所就是彰化看守所\n\n11:38.084 --> 11:53.135\n巴德和彰化目前還在執行中總的來看這五個裡面即便完工了他還是超收然後北部我剛剛給你看各區的分布圖北區的\n\n11:54.301 --> 11:54.801\n好謝謝委員我們會全力來\n\n12:23.717 --> 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