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00:00:57,884\n預計114年還要再調3%這次25年來首次連續2年調整我覺得在人力荒的狀態裡邊這的確事實上是很需要的因為很多工人員也是面臨到請不到人留不住人的問題所以我覺得本席非常肯定的是行政院的這樣的一個積極作為\n\n3\n00:01:01,550 --> 00:01:13,954\n可是今年的調薪大家都很開心誰不開心呢?只有公職的醫事人員不開心為什麼?調薪的結果以公務員的檢期值等來看的話公立的醫療機構跟公立學校的專業加級\n\n4\n00:01:17,779 --> 00:01:36,554\n比其他我們的專業人員還要低那所以想問一下覺得臺灣社會應該沒有人會去否定醫事人員的一個專業而且在整體的公務人員專業家級裡邊可是醫事人員卻是最低的這有一些歧視的問題可是想問一下為什麼會這樣這個部分我了解衛福部在檢討中他們9月底好像有開過會都會追蹤這個問題\n\n5\n00:01:49,520 --> 00:02:08,486\n公職的醫事人員不是只有專業家級整個原本定就已經比其他職類低那甚至在這次在調薪的時候也會看到專業家級整個的幅度上其他職類的條幅事實上是在6.2%到12.8%可是公職醫事人員為什麼只有4%所以想問是\n\n6\n00:02:16,748 --> 00:02:38,484\n醫事人員專業佳績比人家低今年大家都在調整專業佳績的時候調整的幅度還是比別人低請問是什麼原因那是對醫事人員我們的衛福部沒有意見嗎所以當時人總在討論醫事人員這種薪資的時候到底衛福部針對這樣專業佳績如此低衛福部沒有表示意見嗎\n\n7\n00:02:40,919 --> 00:03:06,084\n因為剛好調薪的時候那個階段我們正好要檢討那個專業價值表表一並表二所以這個有些你會覺得說有些為什麼比較高那是因為剛好他的專業價值表表一並表二的關係那我先問你衛福部有表當時有表示意見嗎是你們人種不同意還是怎樣為什麼從前面就已經低然後真的在調薪的時候跌上來還是最低的\n\n8\n00:03:07,789 --> 00:03:30,438\n因為如果是通案調整待遇大概就是我們有一個待遇審議委員會那大概這個部分我們力量大概沒有要衛福部啦我們大概要財主單位還有專家學者來討論那這個部分就是我覺得COVID-19的時候醫療人員、醫事人員對我們來講都非常的重要可是卻對他們來講最不友善\n\n9\n00:03:32,619 --> 00:03:55,730\n而且公立學校的護理師的專業家級又比其他單位的醫事人員少這是對公立學校的護理師而言他事實上是40班以下聘一個人我們現在以一個學校2500的話他大概1000人只有一個護士他要去這樣的照顧別學生上學裡邊如果碰到任何狀況\n\n10\n00:03:56,610 --> 00:03:59,832\n請勞動部長、行政院人事行政總處就:「如何提升國內薪資水準．落實保障政府機關單位內勞工之權益．落實保障政府機關單位內勞工之權益．落實保障政府機關單位內勞工之權益\n\n11\n00:04:26,212 --> 00:04:50,366\n進一步的反應嗎?所以剛剛跟委員報告就是說那個衛福部在9月底邀請包括教育部也邀請一起在研究這個在討論9月30號不是開會了嗎?有開會有衛福部那開會的結果是什麼?教育部也在研議看要怎麼調整那衛福部呢?也是啊\n\n12\n00:04:51,465 --> 00:05:15,494\n也是要等那要等什麼時候呢所以同樣是護理師在衛生所跟在學校要做的事情一樣每個月我們的學校護理師專業家級的竟然會比衛生所護理師少一千多元他們做事情有不一樣嗎他們事實上是一比一千個孩子那怎麼會是這樣的比例上還會是相差這樣的\n\n13\n00:05:17,174 --> 00:05:44,600\n的專業佳績所以本席強烈建議在制定相關規則的時候不是坐在辦公室裡邊去想像那要做這個工作要到工作現場去看一下整個的工作忙碌狀況而且這種差別待遇行之有年一直以來都是這樣對我們學校護理師他又是肩負我們學校孩子的健康很重要的一個靈魂人物那所以學校護理師我不知道教育部如果\n\n14\n00:05:46,054 --> 00:05:58,914\n衛福部、教育部都沒有表示意見還是真的是人總不採納今年1月4號人總公布的全國軍工教育人員的待遇知己要點\n\n15\n00:05:59,605 --> 00:06:16,596\n同時也大幅度調整各類職種的專業佳績一月十號全國學校護理師就提出了抗議來做聲明可是似乎好像是沒有人去理會因為因應醫院的護理師留任的難題衛福部還有一些配套措施\n\n16\n00:06:17,617 --> 00:06:42,996\n夜班加急、繁重津貼直接撥付給護理師同時又降低護病費的一個獎勵金給醫院用盡一切努力就是要留人可是人力就是資源所以我不知道我懷疑人總是不是缺乏這樣的認知現在是到處搶人的時代那怎麼會讓我們的護理師雙重受到尤其是學校護理師受到雙重的歧視\n\n17\n00:06:43,676 --> 00:06:57,683\n你說這口氣你覺得今天學校護理師怎麼會吞得下去他比公務人員低他比公務我們的衛生所的人員又低那他本來醫事人員整個整個就是低的學校護理師又更低\n\n18\n00:06:59,512 --> 00:07:15,394\n對,所以我們因為有這樣像委員剛剛提的有疑情的反應所以我們就督促就要求衛福部趕快來處理好,我覺得希望人總可能要去考慮因為公職醫事人員扣除掉我們的法醫、西醫、中醫師跟亞醫師在公立醫療\n\n19\n00:07:16,476 --> 00:07:16,796\n那這些人數已經達到28.4萬所以這個薪資\n\n20\n00:07:44,827 --> 00:08:07,109\n因為他的工作比別人多可是薪資領的又比私立醫院低所以希望能夠透過一些薪資的加給制度來增加留人的那當然我們也期待不要漏掉我們的護理師所以我一上任之後就接到全國公職護理師對本案的陳情那接獲後我們也跟\n\n21\n00:08:08,010 --> 00:08:19,559\n邀請全國一市聯合會跟相關政府部門來做討論包括教育部跟衛福部他們都是同意那現在就是等人總點個頭所以我剛才問你9月30號開會\n\n22\n00:08:24,202 --> 00:08:40,519\n衛福部跟教育部跟我表達意見都是他們同意、他們支持那現在就是人總這邊到底什麼時候會去開帳的會是不是可以在這邊也可以去承諾說可不可以把公職醫事人員整體的專業家級提升到能夠追上警察嗎?\n\n23\n00:08:41,465 --> 00:09:05,266\n跟委員報告,如果衛福部還有教育部的方案上來報導行政院是由人總處理的話,我們也趕快來...問一下什麼時間?因為我從上個會期就已經針對這個部分表達強烈的...因為他們的確一月長年以來都是對他們來講是一種很大的啟示是不是我們下去以後,我們應該趕快去督促...促請那個衛福部跟教育部趕快...所以可不可以給我們一個時間?\n\n24\n00:09:07,401 --> 00:09:29,659\n因為我們等了蠻久了我不曉得他們要作業時程要多久啦我們請他趕快回應委員您的要求好那你就要去要求衛福部跟教育部因為前次你們管是不是一個月能夠召開下一次的會議9月30號開可不可以11月的時候再度召開會議\n\n25\n00:09:31,659 --> 00:09:40,744\n現在如果說衛福部有方案他其實就直接報行政院就不一定要開會等報院以後我們再會相關機關意見回來我們就可以簽辦\n\n26\n00:09:42,014 --> 00:10:03,533\n所以最後我還是呼籲不要把公務人員的服從的素養當成事實上是可以忽視公務人員的一個心理心聲的理由還是要去看重學校護理師或各類醫事人員真的專業家級要給他拉起然後對於醫事人員跟其他的人員事實上是同等的重要謝謝\n\n27\n00:10:07,302 --> 00:10:13,751\n謝謝林月琴委員的質詢那等一下請我們那個夫人市長會後跟相關單位聯繫一下\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5947\t35490\t好 謝謝主席麻煩我們的行政院人事行政總處的副人事長副人事長好 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那要等什麼時候呢所以同樣是護理師在衛生所跟在學校要做的事情一樣每個月我們的學校護理師專業家級的竟然會比衛生所護理師少一千多元他們做事情有不一樣嗎他們事實上是一比一千個孩子那怎麼會是這樣的比例上還會是相差這樣的\n317174\t344600\t的專業佳績所以本席強烈建議在制定相關規則的時候不是坐在辦公室裡邊去想像那要做這個工作要到工作現場去看一下整個的工作忙碌狀況而且這種差別待遇行之有年一直以來都是這樣對我們學校護理師他又是肩負我們學校孩子的健康很重要的一個靈魂人物那所以學校護理師我不知道教育部如果\n346054\t358914\t衛福部、教育部都沒有表示意見還是真的是人總不採納今年1月4號人總公布的全國軍工教育人員的待遇知己要點\n359605\t376596\t同時也大幅度調整各類職種的專業佳績一月十號全國學校護理師就提出了抗議來做聲明可是似乎好像是沒有人去理會因為因應醫院的護理師留任的難題衛福部還有一些配套措施\n377617\t402996\t夜班加急、繁重津貼直接撥付給護理師同時又降低護病費的一個獎勵金給醫院用盡一切努力就是要留人可是人力就是資源所以我不知道我懷疑人總是不是缺乏這樣的認知現在是到處搶人的時代那怎麼會讓我們的護理師雙重受到尤其是學校護理師受到雙重的歧視\n403676\t417683\t你說這口氣你覺得今天學校護理師怎麼會吞得下去他比公務人員低他比公務我們的衛生所的人員又低那他本來醫事人員整個整個就是低的學校護理師又更低\n419512\t435394\t對,所以我們因為有這樣像委員剛剛提的有疑情的反應所以我們就督促就要求衛福部趕快來處理好,我覺得希望人總可能要去考慮因為公職醫事人員扣除掉我們的法醫、西醫、中醫師跟亞醫師在公立醫療\n436476\t436796\t那這些人數已經達到28.4萬所以這個薪資\n464827\t487109\t因為他的工作比別人多可是薪資領的又比私立醫院低所以希望能夠透過一些薪資的加給制度來增加留人的那當然我們也期待不要漏掉我們的護理師所以我一上任之後就接到全國公職護理師對本案的陳情那接獲後我們也跟\n488010\t499559\t邀請全國一市聯合會跟相關政府部門來做討論包括教育部跟衛福部他們都是同意那現在就是等人總點個頭所以我剛才問你9月30號開會\n504202\t520519\t衛福部跟教育部跟我表達意見都是他們同意、他們支持那現在就是人總這邊到底什麼時候會去開帳的會是不是可以在這邊也可以去承諾說可不可以把公職醫事人員整體的專業家級提升到能夠追上警察嗎?\n521465\t545266\t跟委員報告,如果衛福部還有教育部的方案上來報導行政院是由人總處理的話,我們也趕快來...問一下什麼時間?因為我從上個會期就已經針對這個部分表達強烈的...因為他們的確一月長年以來都是對他們來講是一種很大的啟示是不是我們下去以後,我們應該趕快去督促...促請那個衛福部跟教育部趕快...所以可不可以給我們一個時間?\n547401\t569659\t因為我們等了蠻久了我不曉得他們要作業時程要多久啦我們請他趕快回應委員您的要求好 那你就要去要求衛福部跟教育部因為前次你們管是不是一個月能夠召開下一次的會議9月30號開可不可以11月的時候再度召開會議\n571659\t580744\t現在如果說衛福部有方案他其實就直接報行政院就不一定要開會等報院以後我們再會相關機關意見回來我們就可以簽辦\n582014\t603533\t所以最後我還是呼籲不要把公務人員的服從的素養當成事實上是可以忽視公務人員的一個心理心聲的理由還是要去看重學校護理師或各類醫事人員真的專業家級要給他拉起然後對於醫事人員跟其他的人員事實上是同等的重要謝謝\n607302\t613751\t謝謝林月琴委員的質詢那等一下請我們那個夫人市長會後跟相關單位聯繫一下\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席麻煩我們的行政院人事行政總處的副人事長副人事長好 早行政院大概在111年大概就是幫軍工叫調薪到4%那今年要再調4%那今年的調薪除了本縫以外還有專業家籍也是相當幅度有去調整\n預計114年還要再調3%這次25年來首次連續2年調整我覺得在人力荒的狀態裡邊這的確事實上是很需要的因為很多工人員也是面臨到請不到人留不住人的問題所以我覺得本席非常肯定的是行政院的這樣的一個積極作為\n可是今年的調薪大家都很開心誰不開心呢?只有公職的醫事人員不開心為什麼?調薪的結果以公務員的檢期值等來看的話公立的醫療機構跟公立學校的專業加級\n比其他我們的專業人員還要低那所以想問一下覺得臺灣社會應該沒有人會去否定醫事人員的一個專業而且在整體的公務人員專業家級裡邊可是醫事人員卻是最低的這有一些歧視的問題可是想問一下為什麼會這樣這個部分我了解衛福部在檢討中他們9月底好像有開過會都會追蹤這個問題\n公職的醫事人員不是只有專業家級整個原本定就已經比其他職類低那甚至在這次在調薪的時候也會看到專業家級整個的幅度上其他職類的條幅事實上是在6.2%到12.8%可是公職醫事人員為什麼只有4%所以想問是\n醫事人員專業佳績比人家低今年大家都在調整專業佳績的時候調整的幅度還是比別人低請問是什麼原因那是對醫事人員我們的衛福部沒有意見嗎所以當時人總在討論醫事人員這種薪資的時候到底衛福部針對這樣專業佳績如此低衛福部沒有表示意見嗎\n因為剛好調薪的時候那個階段我們正好要檢討那個專業價值表表一並表二所以這個有些你會覺得說有些為什麼比較高那是因為剛好他的專業價值表表一並表二的關係那我先問你衛福部有表當時有表示意見嗎是你們人種不同意還是怎樣為什麼從前面就已經低然後真的在調薪的時候跌上來還是最低的\n因為如果是通案調整待遇大概就是我們有一個待遇審議委員會那大概這個部分我們力量大概沒有要衛福部啦我們大概要財主單位還有專家學者來討論那這個部分就是我覺得COVID-19的時候醫療人員、醫事人員對我們來講都非常的重要可是卻對他們來講最不友善\n而且公立學校的護理師的專業家級又比其他單位的醫事人員少這是對公立學校的護理師而言他事實上是40班以下聘一個人我們現在以一個學校2500的話他大概1000人只有一個護士他要去這樣的照顧別學生上學裡邊如果碰到任何狀況\n請勞動部長、行政院人事行政總處就:「如何提升國內薪資水準．落實保障政府機關單位內勞工之權益．落實保障政府機關單位內勞工之權益．落實保障政府機關單位內勞工之權益\n進一步的反應嗎?所以剛剛跟委員報告就是說那個衛福部在9月底邀請包括教育部也邀請一起在研究這個在討論9月30號不是開會了嗎?有開會有衛福部那開會的結果是什麼?教育部也在研議看要怎麼調整那衛福部呢?也是啊\n也是要等 那要等什麼時候呢所以同樣是護理師在衛生所跟在學校要做的事情一樣每個月我們的學校護理師專業家級的竟然會比衛生所護理師少一千多元他們做事情有不一樣嗎他們事實上是一比一千個孩子那怎麼會是這樣的比例上還會是相差這樣的\n的專業佳績所以本席強烈建議在制定相關規則的時候不是坐在辦公室裡邊去想像那要做這個工作要到工作現場去看一下整個的工作忙碌狀況而且這種差別待遇行之有年一直以來都是這樣對我們學校護理師他又是肩負我們學校孩子的健康很重要的一個靈魂人物那所以學校護理師我不知道教育部如果\n衛福部、教育部都沒有表示意見還是真的是人總不採納今年1月4號人總公布的全國軍工教育人員的待遇知己要點\n同時也大幅度調整各類職種的專業佳績一月十號全國學校護理師就提出了抗議來做聲明可是似乎好像是沒有人去理會因為因應醫院的護理師留任的難題衛福部還有一些配套措施\n夜班加急、繁重津貼直接撥付給護理師同時又降低護病費的一個獎勵金給醫院用盡一切努力就是要留人可是人力就是資源所以我不知道我懷疑人總是不是缺乏這樣的認知現在是到處搶人的時代那怎麼會讓我們的護理師雙重受到尤其是學校護理師受到雙重的歧視\n你說這口氣你覺得今天學校護理師怎麼會吞得下去他比公務人員低他比公務我們的衛生所的人員又低那他本來醫事人員整個整個就是低的學校護理師又更低\n對,所以我們因為有這樣像委員剛剛提的有疑情的反應所以我們就督促就要求衛福部趕快來處理好,我覺得希望人總可能要去考慮因為公職醫事人員扣除掉我們的法醫、西醫、中醫師跟亞醫師在公立醫療\n那這些人數已經達到28.4萬所以這個薪資\n因為他的工作比別人多可是薪資領的又比私立醫院低所以希望能夠透過一些薪資的加給制度來增加留人的那當然我們也期待不要漏掉我們的護理師所以我一上任之後就接到全國公職護理師對本案的陳情那接獲後我們也跟\n邀請全國一市聯合會跟相關政府部門來做討論包括教育部跟衛福部他們都是同意那現在就是等人總點個頭所以我剛才問你9月30號開會\n衛福部跟教育部跟我表達意見都是他們同意、他們支持那現在就是人總這邊到底什麼時候會去開帳的會是不是可以在這邊也可以去承諾說可不可以把公職醫事人員整體的專業家級提升到能夠追上警察嗎?\n跟委員報告,如果衛福部還有教育部的方案上來報導行政院是由人總處理的話,我們也趕快來...問一下什麼時間?因為我從上個會期就已經針對這個部分表達強烈的...因為他們的確一月長年以來都是對他們來講是一種很大的啟示是不是我們下去以後,我們應該趕快去督促...促請那個衛福部跟教育部趕快...所以可不可以給我們一個時間?\n因為我們等了蠻久了我不曉得他們要作業時程要多久啦我們請他趕快回應委員您的要求好 那你就要去要求衛福部跟教育部因為前次你們管是不是一個月能夠召開下一次的會議9月30號開可不可以11月的時候再度召開會議\n現在如果說衛福部有方案他其實就直接報行政院就不一定要開會等報院以後我們再會相關機關意見回來我們就可以簽辦\n所以最後我還是呼籲不要把公務人員的服從的素養當成事實上是可以忽視公務人員的一個心理心聲的理由還是要去看重學校護理師或各類醫事人員真的專業家級要給他拉起然後對於醫事人員跟其他的人員事實上是同等的重要謝謝\n謝謝林月琴委員的質詢那等一下請我們那個夫人市長會後跟相關單位聯繫一下\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.947 --> 00:35.490\n好謝謝主席麻煩我們的行政院人事行政總處的副人事長副人事長好早行政院大概在111年大概就是幫軍工叫調薪到4%那今年要再調4%那今年的調薪除了本縫以外還有專業家籍也是相當幅度有去調整\n\n00:37.851 --> 00:57.884\n預計114年還要再調3%這次25年來首次連續2年調整我覺得在人力荒的狀態裡邊這的確事實上是很需要的因為很多工人員也是面臨到請不到人留不住人的問題所以我覺得本席非常肯定的是行政院的這樣的一個積極作為\n\n01:01.550 --> 01:13.954\n可是今年的調薪大家都很開心誰不開心呢?只有公職的醫事人員不開心為什麼?調薪的結果以公務員的檢期值等來看的話公立的醫療機構跟公立學校的專業加級\n\n01:17.779 --> 01:36.554\n比其他我們的專業人員還要低那所以想問一下覺得臺灣社會應該沒有人會去否定醫事人員的一個專業而且在整體的公務人員專業家級裡邊可是醫事人員卻是最低的這有一些歧視的問題可是想問一下為什麼會這樣這個部分我了解衛福部在檢討中他們9月底好像有開過會都會追蹤這個問題\n\n01:49.520 --> 02:08.486\n公職的醫事人員不是只有專業家級整個原本定就已經比其他職類低那甚至在這次在調薪的時候也會看到專業家級整個的幅度上其他職類的條幅事實上是在6.2%到12.8%可是公職醫事人員為什麼只有4%所以想問是\n\n02:16.748 --> 02:38.484\n醫事人員專業佳績比人家低今年大家都在調整專業佳績的時候調整的幅度還是比別人低請問是什麼原因那是對醫事人員我們的衛福部沒有意見嗎所以當時人總在討論醫事人員這種薪資的時候到底衛福部針對這樣專業佳績如此低衛福部沒有表示意見嗎\n\n02:40.919 --> 03:06.084\n因為剛好調薪的時候那個階段我們正好要檢討那個專業價值表表一並表二所以這個有些你會覺得說有些為什麼比較高那是因為剛好他的專業價值表表一並表二的關係那我先問你衛福部有表當時有表示意見嗎是你們人種不同意還是怎樣為什麼從前面就已經低然後真的在調薪的時候跌上來還是最低的\n\n03:07.789 --> 03:30.438\n因為如果是通案調整待遇大概就是我們有一個待遇審議委員會那大概這個部分我們力量大概沒有要衛福部啦我們大概要財主單位還有專家學者來討論那這個部分就是我覺得COVID-19的時候醫療人員、醫事人員對我們來講都非常的重要可是卻對他們來講最不友善\n\n03:32.619 --> 03:55.730\n而且公立學校的護理師的專業家級又比其他單位的醫事人員少這是對公立學校的護理師而言他事實上是40班以下聘一個人我們現在以一個學校2500的話他大概1000人只有一個護士他要去這樣的照顧別學生上學裡邊如果碰到任何狀況\n\n03:56.610 --> 03:59.832\n請勞動部長、行政院人事行政總處就:「如何提升國內薪資水準．落實保障政府機關單位內勞工之權益．落實保障政府機關單位內勞工之權益．落實保障政府機關單位內勞工之權益\n\n04:26.212 --> 04:50.366\n進一步的反應嗎?所以剛剛跟委員報告就是說那個衛福部在9月底邀請包括教育部也邀請一起在研究這個在討論9月30號不是開會了嗎?有開會有衛福部那開會的結果是什麼?教育部也在研議看要怎麼調整那衛福部呢?也是啊\n\n04:51.465 --> 05:15.494\n也是要等那要等什麼時候呢所以同樣是護理師在衛生所跟在學校要做的事情一樣每個月我們的學校護理師專業家級的竟然會比衛生所護理師少一千多元他們做事情有不一樣嗎他們事實上是一比一千個孩子那怎麼會是這樣的比例上還會是相差這樣的\n\n05:17.174 --> 05:44.600\n的專業佳績所以本席強烈建議在制定相關規則的時候不是坐在辦公室裡邊去想像那要做這個工作要到工作現場去看一下整個的工作忙碌狀況而且這種差別待遇行之有年一直以來都是這樣對我們學校護理師他又是肩負我們學校孩子的健康很重要的一個靈魂人物那所以學校護理師我不知道教育部如果\n\n05:46.054 --> 05:58.914\n衛福部、教育部都沒有表示意見還是真的是人總不採納今年1月4號人總公布的全國軍工教育人員的待遇知己要點\n\n05:59.605 --> 06:16.596\n同時也大幅度調整各類職種的專業佳績一月十號全國學校護理師就提出了抗議來做聲明可是似乎好像是沒有人去理會因為因應醫院的護理師留任的難題衛福部還有一些配套措施\n\n06:17.617 --> 06:42.996\n夜班加急、繁重津貼直接撥付給護理師同時又降低護病費的一個獎勵金給醫院用盡一切努力就是要留人可是人力就是資源所以我不知道我懷疑人總是不是缺乏這樣的認知現在是到處搶人的時代那怎麼會讓我們的護理師雙重受到尤其是學校護理師受到雙重的歧視\n\n06:43.676 --> 06:57.683\n你說這口氣你覺得今天學校護理師怎麼會吞得下去他比公務人員低他比公務我們的衛生所的人員又低那他本來醫事人員整個整個就是低的學校護理師又更低\n\n06:59.512 --> 07:15.394\n對,所以我們因為有這樣像委員剛剛提的有疑情的反應所以我們就督促就要求衛福部趕快來處理好,我覺得希望人總可能要去考慮因為公職醫事人員扣除掉我們的法醫、西醫、中醫師跟亞醫師在公立醫療\n\n07:16.476 --> 07:16.796\n那這些人數已經達到28.4萬所以這個薪資\n\n07:44.827 --> 08:07.109\n因為他的工作比別人多可是薪資領的又比私立醫院低所以希望能夠透過一些薪資的加給制度來增加留人的那當然我們也期待不要漏掉我們的護理師所以我一上任之後就接到全國公職護理師對本案的陳情那接獲後我們也跟\n\n08:08.010 --> 08:19.559\n邀請全國一市聯合會跟相關政府部門來做討論包括教育部跟衛福部他們都是同意那現在就是等人總點個頭所以我剛才問你9月30號開會\n\n08:24.202 --> 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那你就要去要求衛福部跟教育部因為前次你們管是不是一個月能夠召開下一次的會議9月30號開可不可以11月的時候再度召開會議"},{"start":571.659,"end":580.744,"text":"現在如果說衛福部有方案他其實就直接報行政院就不一定要開會等報院以後我們再會相關機關意見回來我們就可以簽辦"},{"start":582.014,"end":603.533,"text":"所以最後我還是呼籲不要把公務人員的服從的素養當成事實上是可以忽視公務人員的一個心理心聲的理由還是要去看重學校護理師或各類醫事人員真的專業家級要給他拉起然後對於醫事人員跟其他的人員事實上是同等的重要謝謝"},{"start":607.302,"end":613.751,"text":"謝謝林月琴委員的質詢那等一下請我們那個夫人市長會後跟相關單位聯繫一下"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":297,"blocks":[["林委員月琴：（9時30分）謝謝主席，麻煩行政院人事行政總處的副人事長。"],["主席：副人事長。"],["李副人事長秉洲：委員早。"],["林委員月琴：早。行政院在111年幫軍公教調薪到4%，今年再調4%，今年的調薪除了本奉以外，專業加給也有相當幅度的調整，預計114年還要再調3%，這是25年來首次連續2年調整，我覺得在人力荒的狀態下，這事實上的確很需要，因為很多公務人員也面臨請不到人、留不住人的問題，所以本席非常肯定行政院這樣的積極作為。","可是，今年的調薪大家都很開心，誰不開心呢？只有公職的醫事人員不開心，為什麼？調薪的結果以公務員薦七的職等來看，公立的醫療機構跟公立學校的專業加給比其他的專業人員還要低，所以想問一下，臺灣社會應該沒有人會否定醫事人員的專業，而且在整體公務人員專業加給裡面，醫事人員卻是最低的，這有一些歧視的問題，想問一下，為什麼會這樣？"],["李副人事長秉洲：這個部分就我的了解，衛福部正在檢討中，他們9月底好像有開過會，我們會追蹤這個問題。"],["林委員月琴：公職的醫事人員不是只有專業加給有差別，整個來說原本定的就已經比其他職類低，甚至這次在調薪的時候，也會看到專業加給在整個調整的幅度上，其他職類的調幅是在6.2%到12.8%，可是公職醫事人員為什麼只有4%？醫事人員專業加給比人家低，今年大家都在調整專業加給的時候，它調整的幅度還是比別人低，請問是什麼原因？我們的衛福部沒有意見嗎？當時人總在討論醫事人員相關薪資的時候，針對專業加給如此的低，衛福部都沒有表示意見嗎？"],["李副人事長秉洲：因為剛好調薪的那個階段我們正要檢討專業加給表的表(一)併表(二)，所以你會覺得有些為什麼會比較高，那是因為剛好他的專業加給表(一)併表(二)的關係。"],["林委員月琴：我先問你，衛福部有當時有表示意見嗎？是你們人總不同意還是怎樣？為什麼前面就已經低了，然後真的在調薪的時候疊上來之後還是最低的？"],["李副人事長秉洲：如果是通案調整待遇，我們有一個待遇審議委員會，大概是沒有邀衛福部，我們大概就是邀財主單位還有專家學者來討論，這個部分……"],["林委員月琴：COVID-19的時候，醫療人員、醫事人員對我們來講都非常的重要，可是卻對他們最不友善，而且公立學校護理師的專業加給又比其他單位的醫事人員少，對公立學校的護理師而言，事實上是每40班聘1人，以一個學校2,500人來計算的話，每1,000人只有一個護士要去做這樣的照顧，學生在上學當中，如果碰到任何狀況，他也都要在處理，即每1,000個孩子就只有一個護理人員來處理，然後他又比不上其他單位的醫事人員，更比不上我們的警消專業人員。本席相信，得知這種真相的人都會認為學校的護理師受到雙重的歧視，所以同樣的問題想請教，當時教育部到底有沒有提醒你們人總，這樣子會讓學校護理師感覺到不受尊重，有再跟你們做進一步的反映嗎？"],["李副人事長秉洲：所以剛剛有跟委員報告，就是衛福部在9月底有邀請來開會，包括教育部也有邀請一起來研究、討論。"],["林委員月琴：你們9月30號不是開會了嗎？"],["李副人事長秉洲：有開會，衛福部……"],["林委員月琴：開會的結果是什麼？"],["李副人事長秉洲：教育部來研擬，看要怎麼來做調整。"],["林委員月琴：那衛福部呢？"],["李副人事長秉洲：也是。"],["林委員月琴：也是要等，那要等到什麼時候呢？所以同樣是護理師，在衛生所跟在學校要做的事情一樣，但每個月學校護理師的專業加給竟然會比衛生所護理師少一千多元，他們做的事情有不一樣嗎？他們事實上是1比1,000個孩子，怎麼他的專業加給在比例上還是與其他護理師有差別呢？所以本席強烈建議，在制定相關規則的時候，不是坐在辦公室裡面去想像，而是要到工作現場去看一下整個的工作忙碌狀況，而且這種差別待遇行之有年，一直以來都是這樣對我們的學校護理師，而他又是肩負我們學校孩子的健康一個很重要的靈魂人物，所以學校護理師的部分，我不知道是不是衛福部、教育部都沒有表示意見，還是真的是人總處不採納。","今年1月4號人總公布的全國軍公教人員待遇支給要點，同時也大幅度調整各種職類的專業加給；1月10號全國學校護理師就提出抗議聲明，可是似乎好像沒有人去理會，因為要因應醫院護理師留任的難題，衛福部還有一些配套措施，包括夜班加給、繁重工作津貼直接撥付給護理師，同時又有降低護病比的一個獎勵金給醫院，用盡一切努力就是要留人。可是人力就是資源，所以我懷疑人總是不是缺乏這樣的認知，現在是到處搶人的時代，怎麼會讓我們的護理師，尤其是學校護理師受到雙重的歧視，你說這口氣學校護理師怎麼會吞得下去！他比公務人員低，他比衛生所的人員又低，加上本來醫事人員這個部分整個就是低的，學校護理師又更低了。"],["李副人事長秉洲：因為委員剛剛提的，有這樣輿情的反映，所以我們會要求衛福部趕快來處理。"],["林委員月琴：好，我覺得希望人總可能要去考慮，因為公職醫事人員扣除掉法醫、西醫、中醫師跟牙醫師在公立醫療機構有特定薪資加給的制度，其他醫事人員都沒有，也就是說，我剛剛講的法醫、西醫、中醫師跟牙醫師都有另外的薪資加給制度，其他醫事人員反而沒有，所以只能靠這個專業加給讓他拿到應有的薪資、比較合理的待遇，這些人數已經達到28.4萬，所以這個薪資的部分，因為他的工作比別人多，可是薪資領的又比私立醫院低，所以希望能夠透過一些薪資加給制度來增加留人的誘因。當然我們也期待不要漏掉我們的護理師，所以我一上任之後，就接到全國公職護理師對本案的陳情，接獲後我們邀請全國醫事聯合會跟相關政府部門來做討論，包含教育部跟衛福部，他們都是同意的，現在就是等人總點個頭，所以我剛才問你，你9月30號開會，但之前衛福部跟教育部跟我表達意見時他們都是同意的，他們是支持的，現在就是人總這邊到底什麼時候會去開這樣的會，是不是可以在這邊承諾，可不可以把公職醫事人員整體的專業加給提升到能夠追得上警察嗎？"],["李副人事長秉洲：跟委員報告，如果衛福部還有教育部的方案報上來，行政院會交由人總處理的話，我們會趕快來……"],["林委員月琴：問一下什麼時間會提出？因為我從上個會期就已經針對這一個部分表達強烈的意見，因為長年以來對他們來講都是一種很大的歧視。"],["李副人事長秉洲：所以我們回去以後，會趕快促請衛福部跟教育部報案上來。"],["林委員月琴：所以可不可以給我們一個時間？因為我們等滿久了。"],["李副人事長秉洲：因為我不曉得他們作業時程要多久，但我們會請他們趕快回應委員您的要求。"],["林委員月琴：好，那你就要去要求衛福部跟教育部，因為薪資是你們是管的，是不是一個月內能夠召開下一次的會議？即9月30號開會，可不可以11月的時候再度召開會議？"],["李副人事長秉洲：現在如果衛福部有方案了，其實它就直接報行政院，就不一定要開會，等報院以後我們再彙相關機關意見回來，我們就可以簽辦了。"],["林委員月琴：最後，我還是要呼籲，不要把公務人員服從的素養當成是可以忽視公務人員一個心理、心生的理由，還是要去看重學校護理師或各類醫事人員，真的要把他們的專業加給予以拉齊，事實上，醫事人員跟其他的人員是同等的重要，謝謝。"],["李副人事長秉洲：好，謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝林月琴委員的質詢，請副人事長會後跟相關單位聯繫一下，就是月琴委員要的資料，請通知他們一下，好不好？"],["李副人事長秉洲：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝。","接下來請陳菁徽委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":430,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-26-4","speakers":["黃秀芳","王育敏","陳昭姿","林月琴","陳菁徽","廖偉翔","盧縣一","王正旭","林淑芬","涂權吉","郭國文","羅智強","麥玉珍","洪孟楷","劉建國","楊曜","鍾佳濱","陳瑩","蘇清泉","邱鎮軍","楊瓊瓔"],"page_start":363,"meetingDate":["2024-10-17"],"gazette_id":"1138601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138601_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請勞動部部長就「如何提升移工問題諮詢與申訴處理效能，並重視與建立移工的社會支持系\n統」進行專題報告，並備質詢；邀請勞動部部長、行政院人事行政總處就「如何有效提升國內薪\n資水準，落實保障政府機關單位內勞工之權益」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1138601_00006"}}}