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00:02:40,349\n那是不是可以請你們評估後將評估的這個結果跟我說當然當然當然謝謝委員謝謝我們可能也要跟衛福部一起是請你們一起一併評估因為我希望這個這個應該是一個可以幫身心障礙者的福利的部分希望我們的這個部長可以努力為他們來爭取這個福利好第二個\n\n8\n00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:59,034\n在昨天有跟部長討論到一個有關於這個加班46小時就不能免稅的部分那我總覺得這個部分沒有講得很清楚這部分我要再跟您請教一下部長的回答其實是會有這樣的加班費免稅的上限是希望不鼓勵不要鼓勵加班太超過這個程度對不對\n\n9\n00:03:01,011 --> 00:03:01,872\n僱主徵得勞工同意得延長工作時間\n\n10\n00:03:16,452 --> 00:03:37,929\n每個月延長工作時間的總時數不得超過46小時但如遇天災、事變或突發狀況有例外規定故主經工會或勞資會議同意後延長工作時間得才3個月總量控制但1個月不得超過54小時每3個月不得超過138小時\n\n11\n00:03:40,811 --> 00:03:56,825\n那簡單來說就是加班超過46個小時的情況所會發生且是需要勞資雙方同意的那在這前提之下對吧我們是不是可以還是可以我是不是還是可以理解為部長還是不太願意看到超過46小時的加班情況的存在\n\n12\n00:03:58,287 --> 00:04:26,666\n我們當然是希望能夠不要超過我們這樣的法定的加班期限啊所以你就是不習慣不習慣勞工加班這麼多嗎?對不對?是當然當然好那我根據主機住的統計我們臺灣薪資前三低的行業第一個是住宿跟餐飲業大概是三萬四千七百一十一塊美容美髮大概是三萬五千八百零九塊製造業大概是四萬四千一百四十三塊那同時加班工時最長的行業剛好也是製造業就是我們的製造業\n\n13\n00:04:27,566 --> 00:04:54,882\n這代表經常性薪資較低的這個製造業其實有這個願意加班的或者是實質上工時就是比較長的勞工群體,對嗎?是吧?部長是喔是,對不對應該是這樣子的對,所以其實喔部長我們剛剛說了這麼多我都知道我希望我們國家的每位勞工都不需要加班也不想加班了解但事實上我們卻不能忽略的確有一個藍領的這種製造業的勞工族群他們需要加班\n\n14\n00:04:56,462 --> 00:05:23,110\n但是部長就忽略他們的需求所以我這邊希望請部長正視這個需求的存在這個群體的存在但是他們需要多賺錢但是卻還被多課稅好這個部分那麼說到底就部長立場是不希望勞工加那麼多班的話對不對剛剛如果說完全不希望他們加那麼多班的話那何不直接乾脆推動修法就是讓他們整個下線這樣直接禁止超過每月46個小時的加班不要開啟任何例外\n\n15\n00:05:24,259 --> 00:05:43,845\n這樣的話可能造成的問題也很大啦當然是委員是這樣嘛是是是因為這個有時候勞工確實他也有想要加班的意願因為想要多賺錢這個也是可以理解的然後我們也必須去體諒同情這種狀況那包括在企業裡面他有時候有\n\n16\n00:05:44,805 --> 00:06:11,968\n這樣的需求對嘛部長所以說我們剛剛討論到現在你也講出一個實話嘛就是說我們知道超過這46小時的是有存在的然後也有兩大重點七個就是企業客觀有這個需要的存在第二個是這個勞工有這樣的需要的存在那第三個就是勞資雙方必須同意吧對不對所以我覺得當初你說的你上次你昨天說的這樣可能會變相鼓勵他們加班我覺得這應該不應該是這樣考量的對吧這是\n\n17\n00:06:13,248 --> 00:06:26,554\n對啦其實並不是說變相鼓勵他們加班我知道您的想法那我們來這個應該要跟財政部商量沒關係我繼續再講下去我把這個數據講清楚給你聽希望您有更有底氣的去講這件事情\n\n18\n00:06:28,115 --> 00:06:48,166\n根據這個2023年的新世代人才調查發現18到35歲在職人士近兩成有兼職收入其中六成多是跨領域兼職大多從事設計、教學和業務但是另外一個調查也發現過半新鮮人有這個意願從事兼職主要原因是想多賺錢然後正職收入太少\n\n19\n00:06:48,871 --> 00:07:09,725\n那所以剛剛看到就是不只是我們蘭嶺製造業想要賺錢社會新鮮人與白嶺上班族也想要多賺錢那我想部長也是很認真我們都是我想大家都很努力一定是責任制領同樣的法定的這個薪水的情況之下都努力完成任務但是我想剛剛重申有廣大勞工有這個加班的需求\n\n20\n00:07:10,805 --> 00:07:35,830\n那事實上根據112年你們這個勞工生活及就業狀況調查報告曾經加班超過46個小時的人口人數將近3%那換算下來部長知道多少嗎?大約大約是33萬的勞工所以我要跟部長講這是真實確實存在的一群人那麼我想部長身為我們臺灣勞工的大家長\n\n21\n00:07:38,444 --> 00:07:46,383\n我們是不是可以答應本席是不是可以代表勞工們去跟財政部爭取這46小時加班後這個免稅的範圍\n\n22\n00:07:48,103 --> 00:08:13,531\n我們來跟財政部來演繹看看好嗎?所以部長我整個數據這樣邏輯順下來你應該是可以充分理解為什麼我提這件事情吧?我瞭解我瞭解那是不是也可以拜託您去幫忙全力的爭取喔?所以感謝我們的部長為勞工們謀福利我們來跟財政部討論看看好嗎?但另外我要再提一個有關這個伙食費的免稅額度是否也可以一併爭取喔?\n\n23\n00:08:14,771 --> 00:08:35,693\n畢竟現在外食也越來越貴了那我想大家深有同感嘛同歐膨脹所以公司如果願意體諒勞工提供更好的福利我覺得我們也應該鼓勵所以我也想要爭取說部長是不是也可以一併的把這個伙食費的免稅額可以從每個月2400可不可以跟他們討論到增加到3000想說部長有沒有辦法來幫他們一併的反應\n\n24\n00:08:38,317 --> 00:08:57,289\n好,我們這個免稅額、伙食費的部分了解這是我另外一題,沒有在簡報上對,我們來一起來反映看看好不好,包括那個加班費嘛,是不是主要是那個加班費的免稅額的範圍因為有這個3%,大概30幾萬人就是有這個存在的需求\n\n25\n00:09:01,727 --> 00:09:30,191\n這如果合併在所得稅裡面因為又會牽涉到整個所得稅的調整財政部恐怕沒關係部長你只要你只要幫他們發聲努力去謀取這個福利因為我覺得他其實確實有必要的因為我剛剛這些數據都已經呈現給您看如果你需要我們本期也可以再把這個整理一份給您我覺得這是可以去跟財政部說的因為這批人甚至是有這個需求的存在好不好我也把數據都整理出來好另外喔\n\n26\n00:09:31,161 --> 00:09:32,804\n我要再加問一個這個低薪現象\n\n27\n00:09:34,079 --> 00:09:46,122\n我們的主計處昨天發布1至8月的薪資統計總薪資平均數成長是4.27%創10年最高實質經常性的薪資平均也連續5個月成長增幅為4年來最高實質總薪資增加的比例是1.92%也是近6年最高然後說打敗通膨部長對這樣的現象是不是覺得勞工之福\n\n28\n00:10:03,288 --> 00:10:23,599\n委員我們的實質經常性薪資真的是成長的而且包括像餐飲現在也創新高餐飲現在很低那麼他現在已經到達37,000這樣的水平好沒錯事實上部長但是我還是要提醒你這個要持續關注我這個不是不要高興的太早加薪追不上通膨其實才是常態\n\n29\n00:10:25,701 --> 00:10:39,799\n2022年以後這個經濟成長較為平穩加上CPI的增長仍高居不下其實導致2023年實質性的經常性的這個薪資跟實質性的薪資的增長全部都是負成長那其中\n\n30\n00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:59,286\n實質性的薪資更為2017年以來持續的負增長年增率是負1.04%那受僱的這些員工其實經常性薪資已經連續三年的負成長所以你只用今年這個一到八月看其實只是一小段那還有一個重點是什麼\n\n31\n00:11:00,146 --> 00:11:13,005\n其實就是昨天開始漲電價就算經濟部保守的評估說CPI值增加0.03%但我想還是會有一大票的預防性的漲價的部分所以\n\n32\n00:11:17,130 --> 00:11:32,663\n這個部分我要提醒我們的部長是不是可以持續的關注那甚至是去調查其實之前我們這個會期的上半年也有通過所謂的中小企業發展條例等等的是鼓勵企業分享這個加薪給勞工嘛對不對\n\n33\n00:11:33,444 --> 00:11:50,095\n好那我也想要提醒部長請你們持續追蹤看這件事情的成效究竟有沒有真正的展現出來好不好那情況到年底的時候尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10220\t36233\t謝謝主席有請我們何部長請何部長委員好部長好部長根據就業服務法第55條規定申請家庭看護或家事移工而雇主是身心障礙者時也需要繳納就業安定費那一般家庭是需要繳交大概每月2000元那中低跟這個低收入戶則是免繳\n37173\t64076\t那所以這個部分呢也被身心障礙族群稱之為障礙稅但是我想依照CRPD公約的精神以及障礙平權的觀點國家有責任去彌補障礙者和健常人之間的落差所以當國家無法彌補這個落差的時候那這些障礙者自地救濟去拼顧移工的時候卻反而被國家收這個障礙稅部長你覺得合理嗎\n66300\t74288\t因為牽涉到身心障礙者本身如果他是中低收的話他當然也是免繳的我的意思是說只要是身心障礙者應該都免繳可是這個\n81774\t103633\t因為牽涉到當然我們我想要幫他們簡單的講就是因為繳費是依據家庭的這個收入整體去看那障礙者本身他就是比較弱勢那即便在家庭中也是你說的只是你說的只是經濟上但是我們說的是用這個CRPD工業的精神以及障礙平權的角度好不好那所以\n104133\t119123\t即便在佔領中也是所以就業服務法的55條規定僱主聘僱外國人從事第46條、第1項、第8款至第10款的規定之工作應向中央主管機關設置之就業安定基金專戶繳納就業安定費\n121405\t136294\t但我想要跟部長報告的是法條其實並沒有明訂這個金額所以有沒有可能透過修正執法或是以韓式的方式讓申請者為障礙者時可以得以免繳或是減少繳納每月兩千元的就業安定費針對申請障礙者嗎?對沒錯好我們來評估\n139301\t160349\t那是不是可以請你們評估後將評估的這個結果跟我說當然當然當然謝謝委員謝謝我們可能也要跟衛福部一起是請你們一起一併評估因為我希望這個這個應該是一個可以幫身心障礙者的福利的部分希望我們的這個部長可以努力為他們來爭取這個福利好第二個\n161400\t179034\t在昨天有跟部長討論到一個有關於這個加班46小時就不能免稅的部分那我總覺得這個部分沒有講得很清楚這部分我要再跟您請教一下部長的回答其實是會有這樣的加班費免稅的上限是希望不鼓勵不要鼓勵加班太超過這個程度對不對\n181011\t181872\t僱主徵得勞工同意得延長工作時間\n196452\t217929\t每個月延長工作時間的總時數不得超過46小時但如遇天災、事變或突發狀況有例外規定故主經工會或勞資會議同意後延長工作時間得才3個月總量控制但1個月不得超過54小時每3個月不得超過138小時\n220811\t236825\t那簡單來說就是加班超過46個小時的情況所會發生且是需要勞資雙方同意的那在這前提之下對吧我們是不是可以還是可以我是不是還是可以理解為部長還是不太願意看到超過46小時的加班情況的存在\n238287\t266666\t我們當然是希望能夠不要超過我們這樣的法定的加班期限啊所以你就是不習慣不習慣勞工加班這麼多嗎?對不對?是當然當然好那我根據主機住的統計我們臺灣薪資前三低的行業第一個是住宿跟餐飲業大概是三萬四千七百一十一塊美容美髮大概是三萬五千八百零九塊製造業大概是四萬四千一百四十三塊那同時加班工時最長的行業剛好也是製造業就是我們的製造業\n267566\t294882\t這代表經常性薪資較低的這個製造業其實有這個願意加班的或者是實質上工時就是比較長的勞工群體,對嗎?是吧?部長是喔是,對不對應該是這樣子的對,所以其實喔部長我們剛剛說了這麼多我都知道我希望我們國家的每位勞工都不需要加班也不想加班了解但事實上我們卻不能忽略的確有一個藍領的這種製造業的勞工族群他們需要加班\n296462\t323110\t但是部長就忽略他們的需求所以我這邊希望請部長正視這個需求的存在這個群體的存在但是他們需要多賺錢但是卻還被多課稅好這個部分那麼說到底就部長立場是不希望勞工加那麼多班的話對不對剛剛如果說完全不希望他們加那麼多班的話那何不直接乾脆推動修法就是讓他們整個下線這樣直接禁止超過每月46個小時的加班不要開啟任何例外\n324259\t343845\t這樣的話可能造成的問題也很大啦當然是委員是這樣嘛是是是因為這個有時候勞工確實他也有想要加班的意願因為想要多賺錢這個也是可以理解的然後我們也必須去體諒同情這種狀況那包括在企業裡面他有時候有\n344805\t371968\t這樣的需求對嘛部長所以說我們剛剛討論到現在你也講出一個實話嘛就是說我們知道超過這46小時的是有存在的然後也有兩大重點七個就是企業客觀有這個需要的存在第二個是這個勞工有這樣的需要的存在那第三個就是勞資雙方必須同意吧對不對所以我覺得當初你說的你上次你昨天說的這樣可能會變相鼓勵他們加班我覺得這應該不應該是這樣考量的對吧這是\n373248\t386554\t對啦其實並不是說變相鼓勵他們加班我知道您的想法那我們來這個應該要跟財政部商量沒關係我繼續再講下去我把這個數據講清楚給你聽希望您有更有底氣的去講這件事情\n388115\t408166\t根據這個2023年的新世代人才調查發現18到35歲在職人士近兩成有兼職收入其中六成多是跨領域兼職大多從事設計、教學和業務但是另外一個調查也發現過半新鮮人有這個意願從事兼職主要原因是想多賺錢然後正職收入太少\n408871\t429725\t那所以剛剛看到就是不只是我們蘭嶺製造業想要賺錢社會新鮮人與白嶺上班族也想要多賺錢那我想部長也是很認真我們都是我想大家都很努力一定是責任制領同樣的法定的這個薪水的情況之下都努力完成任務但是我想剛剛重申有廣大勞工有這個加班的需求\n430805\t455830\t那事實上根據112年你們這個勞工生活及就業狀況調查報告曾經加班超過46個小時的人口人數將近3%那換算下來部長知道多少嗎?大約大約是33萬的勞工所以我要跟部長講這是真實確實存在的一群人那麼我想部長身為我們臺灣勞工的大家長\n458444\t466383\t我們是不是可以答應本席是不是可以代表勞工們去跟財政部爭取這46小時加班後這個免稅的範圍\n468103\t493531\t我們來跟財政部來演繹看看好嗎?所以部長我整個數據這樣邏輯順下來你應該是可以充分理解為什麼我提這件事情吧?我瞭解我瞭解那是不是也可以拜託您去幫忙全力的爭取喔?所以感謝我們的部長為勞工們謀福利我們來跟財政部討論看看好嗎?但另外我要再提一個有關這個伙食費的免稅額度是否也可以一併爭取喔?\n494771\t515693\t畢竟現在外食也越來越貴了那我想大家深有同感嘛同歐膨脹所以公司如果願意體諒勞工提供更好的福利我覺得我們也應該鼓勵所以我也想要爭取說部長是不是也可以一併的把這個伙食費的免稅額可以從每個月2400可不可以跟他們討論到增加到3000想說部長有沒有辦法來幫他們一併的反應\n518317\t537289\t好,我們這個免稅額、伙食費的部分了解這是我另外一題,沒有在簡報上對,我們來一起來反映看看好不好,包括那個加班費嘛,是不是主要是那個加班費的免稅額的範圍因為有這個3%,大概30幾萬人就是有這個存在的需求\n541727\t570191\t這如果合併在所得稅裡面因為又會牽涉到整個所得稅的調整財政部恐怕沒關係部長你只要你只要幫他們發聲努力去謀取這個福利因為我覺得他其實確實有必要的因為我剛剛這些數據都已經呈現給您看如果你需要我們本期也可以再把這個整理一份給您我覺得這是可以去跟財政部說的因為這批人甚至是有這個需求的存在好不好我也把數據都整理出來好另外喔\n571161\t572804\t我要再加問一個這個低薪現象\n574079\t586122\t我們的主計處昨天發布1至8月的薪資統計總薪資平均數成長是4.27%創10年最高實質經常性的薪資平均也連續5個月成長增幅為4年來最高實質總薪資增加的比例是1.92%也是近6年最高然後說打敗通膨部長對這樣的現象是不是覺得勞工之福\n603288\t623599\t委員我們的實質經常性薪資真的是成長的而且包括像餐飲現在也創新高餐飲現在很低那麼他現在已經到達37,000這樣的水平好沒錯事實上部長但是我還是要提醒你這個要持續關注我這個不是不要高興的太早加薪追不上通膨其實才是常態\n625701\t639799\t2022年以後這個經濟成長較為平穩加上CPI的增長仍高居不下其實導致2023年實質性的經常性的這個薪資跟實質性的薪資的增長全部都是負成長那其中\n641040\t659286\t實質性的薪資更為2017年以來持續的負增長年增率是負1.04%那受僱的這些員工其實經常性薪資已經連續三年的負成長所以你只用今年這個一到八月看其實只是一小段那還有一個重點是什麼\n660146\t673005\t其實就是昨天開始漲電價就算經濟部保守的評估說CPI值增加0.03%但我想還是會有一大票的預防性的漲價的部分所以\n677130\t692663\t這個部分我要提醒我們的部長是不是可以持續的關注那甚至是去調查其實之前我們這個會期的上半年也有通過所謂的中小企業發展條例等等的是鼓勵企業分享這個加薪給勞工嘛 對不對\n693444\t710095\t好那我也想要提醒部長請你們持續追蹤看這件事情的成效究竟有沒有真正的展現出來好不好那情況到年底的時候尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請我們何部長請何部長委員好部長好部長根據就業服務法第55條規定申請家庭看護或家事移工而雇主是身心障礙者時也需要繳納就業安定費那一般家庭是需要繳交大概每月2000元那中低跟這個低收入戶則是免繳\n那所以這個部分呢也被身心障礙族群稱之為障礙稅但是我想依照CRPD公約的精神以及障礙平權的觀點國家有責任去彌補障礙者和健常人之間的落差所以當國家無法彌補這個落差的時候那這些障礙者自地救濟去拼顧移工的時候卻反而被國家收這個障礙稅部長你覺得合理嗎\n因為牽涉到身心障礙者本身如果他是中低收的話他當然也是免繳的我的意思是說只要是身心障礙者應該都免繳可是這個\n因為牽涉到當然我們我想要幫他們簡單的講就是因為繳費是依據家庭的這個收入整體去看那障礙者本身他就是比較弱勢那即便在家庭中也是你說的只是你說的只是經濟上但是我們說的是用這個CRPD工業的精神以及障礙平權的角度好不好那所以\n即便在佔領中也是所以就業服務法的55條規定僱主聘僱外國人從事第46條、第1項、第8款至第10款的規定之工作應向中央主管機關設置之就業安定基金專戶繳納就業安定費\n但我想要跟部長報告的是法條其實並沒有明訂這個金額所以有沒有可能透過修正執法或是以韓式的方式讓申請者為障礙者時可以得以免繳或是減少繳納每月兩千元的就業安定費針對申請障礙者嗎?對沒錯好我們來評估\n那是不是可以請你們評估後將評估的這個結果跟我說當然當然當然謝謝委員謝謝我們可能也要跟衛福部一起是請你們一起一併評估因為我希望這個這個應該是一個可以幫身心障礙者的福利的部分希望我們的這個部長可以努力為他們來爭取這個福利好第二個\n在昨天有跟部長討論到一個有關於這個加班46小時就不能免稅的部分那我總覺得這個部分沒有講得很清楚這部分我要再跟您請教一下部長的回答其實是會有這樣的加班費免稅的上限是希望不鼓勵不要鼓勵加班太超過這個程度對不對\n僱主徵得勞工同意得延長工作時間\n每個月延長工作時間的總時數不得超過46小時但如遇天災、事變或突發狀況有例外規定故主經工會或勞資會議同意後延長工作時間得才3個月總量控制但1個月不得超過54小時每3個月不得超過138小時\n那簡單來說就是加班超過46個小時的情況所會發生且是需要勞資雙方同意的那在這前提之下對吧我們是不是可以還是可以我是不是還是可以理解為部長還是不太願意看到超過46小時的加班情況的存在\n我們當然是希望能夠不要超過我們這樣的法定的加班期限啊所以你就是不習慣不習慣勞工加班這麼多嗎?對不對?是當然當然好那我根據主機住的統計我們臺灣薪資前三低的行業第一個是住宿跟餐飲業大概是三萬四千七百一十一塊美容美髮大概是三萬五千八百零九塊製造業大概是四萬四千一百四十三塊那同時加班工時最長的行業剛好也是製造業就是我們的製造業\n這代表經常性薪資較低的這個製造業其實有這個願意加班的或者是實質上工時就是比較長的勞工群體,對嗎?是吧?部長是喔是,對不對應該是這樣子的對,所以其實喔部長我們剛剛說了這麼多我都知道我希望我們國家的每位勞工都不需要加班也不想加班了解但事實上我們卻不能忽略的確有一個藍領的這種製造業的勞工族群他們需要加班\n但是部長就忽略他們的需求所以我這邊希望請部長正視這個需求的存在這個群體的存在但是他們需要多賺錢但是卻還被多課稅好這個部分那麼說到底就部長立場是不希望勞工加那麼多班的話對不對剛剛如果說完全不希望他們加那麼多班的話那何不直接乾脆推動修法就是讓他們整個下線這樣直接禁止超過每月46個小時的加班不要開啟任何例外\n這樣的話可能造成的問題也很大啦當然是委員是這樣嘛是是是因為這個有時候勞工確實他也有想要加班的意願因為想要多賺錢這個也是可以理解的然後我們也必須去體諒同情這種狀況那包括在企業裡面他有時候有\n這樣的需求對嘛部長所以說我們剛剛討論到現在你也講出一個實話嘛就是說我們知道超過這46小時的是有存在的然後也有兩大重點七個就是企業客觀有這個需要的存在第二個是這個勞工有這樣的需要的存在那第三個就是勞資雙方必須同意吧對不對所以我覺得當初你說的你上次你昨天說的這樣可能會變相鼓勵他們加班我覺得這應該不應該是這樣考量的對吧這是\n對啦其實並不是說變相鼓勵他們加班我知道您的想法那我們來這個應該要跟財政部商量沒關係我繼續再講下去我把這個數據講清楚給你聽希望您有更有底氣的去講這件事情\n根據這個2023年的新世代人才調查發現18到35歲在職人士近兩成有兼職收入其中六成多是跨領域兼職大多從事設計、教學和業務但是另外一個調查也發現過半新鮮人有這個意願從事兼職主要原因是想多賺錢然後正職收入太少\n那所以剛剛看到就是不只是我們蘭嶺製造業想要賺錢社會新鮮人與白嶺上班族也想要多賺錢那我想部長也是很認真我們都是我想大家都很努力一定是責任制領同樣的法定的這個薪水的情況之下都努力完成任務但是我想剛剛重申有廣大勞工有這個加班的需求\n那事實上根據112年你們這個勞工生活及就業狀況調查報告曾經加班超過46個小時的人口人數將近3%那換算下來部長知道多少嗎?大約大約是33萬的勞工所以我要跟部長講這是真實確實存在的一群人那麼我想部長身為我們臺灣勞工的大家長\n我們是不是可以答應本席是不是可以代表勞工們去跟財政部爭取這46小時加班後這個免稅的範圍\n我們來跟財政部來演繹看看好嗎?所以部長我整個數據這樣邏輯順下來你應該是可以充分理解為什麼我提這件事情吧?我瞭解我瞭解那是不是也可以拜託您去幫忙全力的爭取喔?所以感謝我們的部長為勞工們謀福利我們來跟財政部討論看看好嗎?但另外我要再提一個有關這個伙食費的免稅額度是否也可以一併爭取喔?\n畢竟現在外食也越來越貴了那我想大家深有同感嘛同歐膨脹所以公司如果願意體諒勞工提供更好的福利我覺得我們也應該鼓勵所以我也想要爭取說部長是不是也可以一併的把這個伙食費的免稅額可以從每個月2400可不可以跟他們討論到增加到3000想說部長有沒有辦法來幫他們一併的反應\n好,我們這個免稅額、伙食費的部分了解這是我另外一題,沒有在簡報上對,我們來一起來反映看看好不好,包括那個加班費嘛,是不是主要是那個加班費的免稅額的範圍因為有這個3%,大概30幾萬人就是有這個存在的需求\n這如果合併在所得稅裡面因為又會牽涉到整個所得稅的調整財政部恐怕沒關係部長你只要你只要幫他們發聲努力去謀取這個福利因為我覺得他其實確實有必要的因為我剛剛這些數據都已經呈現給您看如果你需要我們本期也可以再把這個整理一份給您我覺得這是可以去跟財政部說的因為這批人甚至是有這個需求的存在好不好我也把數據都整理出來好另外喔\n我要再加問一個這個低薪現象\n我們的主計處昨天發布1至8月的薪資統計總薪資平均數成長是4.27%創10年最高實質經常性的薪資平均也連續5個月成長增幅為4年來最高實質總薪資增加的比例是1.92%也是近6年最高然後說打敗通膨部長對這樣的現象是不是覺得勞工之福\n委員我們的實質經常性薪資真的是成長的而且包括像餐飲現在也創新高餐飲現在很低那麼他現在已經到達37,000這樣的水平好沒錯事實上部長但是我還是要提醒你這個要持續關注我這個不是不要高興的太早加薪追不上通膨其實才是常態\n2022年以後這個經濟成長較為平穩加上CPI的增長仍高居不下其實導致2023年實質性的經常性的這個薪資跟實質性的薪資的增長全部都是負成長那其中\n實質性的薪資更為2017年以來持續的負增長年增率是負1.04%那受僱的這些員工其實經常性薪資已經連續三年的負成長所以你只用今年這個一到八月看其實只是一小段那還有一個重點是什麼\n其實就是昨天開始漲電價就算經濟部保守的評估說CPI值增加0.03%但我想還是會有一大票的預防性的漲價的部分所以\n這個部分我要提醒我們的部長是不是可以持續的關注那甚至是去調查其實之前我們這個會期的上半年也有通過所謂的中小企業發展條例等等的是鼓勵企業分享這個加薪給勞工嘛 對不對\n好那我也想要提醒部長請你們持續追蹤看這件事情的成效究竟有沒有真正的展現出來好不好那情況到年底的時候尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題尤其是CPI的問題\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.220 --> 00:36.233\n謝謝主席有請我們何部長請何部長委員好部長好部長根據就業服務法第55條規定申請家庭看護或家事移工而雇主是身心障礙者時也需要繳納就業安定費那一般家庭是需要繳交大概每月2000元那中低跟這個低收入戶則是免繳\n\n00:37.173 --> 01:04.076\n那所以這個部分呢也被身心障礙族群稱之為障礙稅但是我想依照CRPD公約的精神以及障礙平權的觀點國家有責任去彌補障礙者和健常人之間的落差所以當國家無法彌補這個落差的時候那這些障礙者自地救濟去拼顧移工的時候卻反而被國家收這個障礙稅部長你覺得合理嗎\n\n01:06.300 --> 01:14.288\n因為牽涉到身心障礙者本身如果他是中低收的話他當然也是免繳的我的意思是說只要是身心障礙者應該都免繳可是這個\n\n01:21.774 --> 01:43.633\n因為牽涉到當然我們我想要幫他們簡單的講就是因為繳費是依據家庭的這個收入整體去看那障礙者本身他就是比較弱勢那即便在家庭中也是你說的只是你說的只是經濟上但是我們說的是用這個CRPD工業的精神以及障礙平權的角度好不好那所以\n\n01:44.133 --> 01:59.123\n即便在佔領中也是所以就業服務法的55條規定僱主聘僱外國人從事第46條、第1項、第8款至第10款的規定之工作應向中央主管機關設置之就業安定基金專戶繳納就業安定費\n\n02:01.405 --> 02:16.294\n但我想要跟部長報告的是法條其實並沒有明訂這個金額所以有沒有可能透過修正執法或是以韓式的方式讓申請者為障礙者時可以得以免繳或是減少繳納每月兩千元的就業安定費針對申請障礙者嗎?對沒錯好我們來評估\n\n02:19.301 --> 02:40.349\n那是不是可以請你們評估後將評估的這個結果跟我說當然當然當然謝謝委員謝謝我們可能也要跟衛福部一起是請你們一起一併評估因為我希望這個這個應該是一個可以幫身心障礙者的福利的部分希望我們的這個部長可以努力為他們來爭取這個福利好第二個\n\n02:41.400 --> 02:59.034\n在昨天有跟部長討論到一個有關於這個加班46小時就不能免稅的部分那我總覺得這個部分沒有講得很清楚這部分我要再跟您請教一下部長的回答其實是會有這樣的加班費免稅的上限是希望不鼓勵不要鼓勵加班太超過這個程度對不對\n\n03:01.011 --> 03:01.872\n僱主徵得勞工同意得延長工作時間\n\n03:16.452 --> 03:37.929\n每個月延長工作時間的總時數不得超過46小時但如遇天災、事變或突發狀況有例外規定故主經工會或勞資會議同意後延長工作時間得才3個月總量控制但1個月不得超過54小時每3個月不得超過138小時\n\n03:40.811 --> 03:56.825\n那簡單來說就是加班超過46個小時的情況所會發生且是需要勞資雙方同意的那在這前提之下對吧我們是不是可以還是可以我是不是還是可以理解為部長還是不太願意看到超過46小時的加班情況的存在\n\n03:58.287 --> 04:26.666\n我們當然是希望能夠不要超過我們這樣的法定的加班期限啊所以你就是不習慣不習慣勞工加班這麼多嗎?對不對?是當然當然好那我根據主機住的統計我們臺灣薪資前三低的行業第一個是住宿跟餐飲業大概是三萬四千七百一十一塊美容美髮大概是三萬五千八百零九塊製造業大概是四萬四千一百四十三塊那同時加班工時最長的行業剛好也是製造業就是我們的製造業\n\n04:27.566 --> 04:54.882\n這代表經常性薪資較低的這個製造業其實有這個願意加班的或者是實質上工時就是比較長的勞工群體,對嗎?是吧?部長是喔是,對不對應該是這樣子的對,所以其實喔部長我們剛剛說了這麼多我都知道我希望我們國家的每位勞工都不需要加班也不想加班了解但事實上我們卻不能忽略的確有一個藍領的這種製造業的勞工族群他們需要加班\n\n04:56.462 --> 05:23.110\n但是部長就忽略他們的需求所以我這邊希望請部長正視這個需求的存在這個群體的存在但是他們需要多賺錢但是卻還被多課稅好這個部分那麼說到底就部長立場是不希望勞工加那麼多班的話對不對剛剛如果說完全不希望他們加那麼多班的話那何不直接乾脆推動修法就是讓他們整個下線這樣直接禁止超過每月46個小時的加班不要開啟任何例外\n\n05:24.259 --> 05:43.845\n這樣的話可能造成的問題也很大啦當然是委員是這樣嘛是是是因為這個有時候勞工確實他也有想要加班的意願因為想要多賺錢這個也是可以理解的然後我們也必須去體諒同情這種狀況那包括在企業裡面他有時候有\n\n05:44.805 --> 06:11.968\n這樣的需求對嘛部長所以說我們剛剛討論到現在你也講出一個實話嘛就是說我們知道超過這46小時的是有存在的然後也有兩大重點七個就是企業客觀有這個需要的存在第二個是這個勞工有這樣的需要的存在那第三個就是勞資雙方必須同意吧對不對所以我覺得當初你說的你上次你昨天說的這樣可能會變相鼓勵他們加班我覺得這應該不應該是這樣考量的對吧這是\n\n06:13.248 --> 06:26.554\n對啦其實並不是說變相鼓勵他們加班我知道您的想法那我們來這個應該要跟財政部商量沒關係我繼續再講下去我把這個數據講清楚給你聽希望您有更有底氣的去講這件事情\n\n06:28.115 --> 06:48.166\n根據這個2023年的新世代人才調查發現18到35歲在職人士近兩成有兼職收入其中六成多是跨領域兼職大多從事設計、教學和業務但是另外一個調查也發現過半新鮮人有這個意願從事兼職主要原因是想多賺錢然後正職收入太少\n\n06:48.871 --> 07:09.725\n那所以剛剛看到就是不只是我們蘭嶺製造業想要賺錢社會新鮮人與白嶺上班族也想要多賺錢那我想部長也是很認真我們都是我想大家都很努力一定是責任制領同樣的法定的這個薪水的情況之下都努力完成任務但是我想剛剛重申有廣大勞工有這個加班的需求\n\n07:10.805 --> 07:35.830\n那事實上根據112年你們這個勞工生活及就業狀況調查報告曾經加班超過46個小時的人口人數將近3%那換算下來部長知道多少嗎?大約大約是33萬的勞工所以我要跟部長講這是真實確實存在的一群人那麼我想部長身為我們臺灣勞工的大家長\n\n07:38.444 --> 07:46.383\n我們是不是可以答應本席是不是可以代表勞工們去跟財政部爭取這46小時加班後這個免稅的範圍\n\n07:48.103 --> 08:13.531\n我們來跟財政部來演繹看看好嗎?所以部長我整個數據這樣邏輯順下來你應該是可以充分理解為什麼我提這件事情吧?我瞭解我瞭解那是不是也可以拜託您去幫忙全力的爭取喔?所以感謝我們的部長為勞工們謀福利我們來跟財政部討論看看好嗎?但另外我要再提一個有關這個伙食費的免稅額度是否也可以一併爭取喔?\n\n08:14.771 --> 08:35.693\n畢竟現在外食也越來越貴了那我想大家深有同感嘛同歐膨脹所以公司如果願意體諒勞工提供更好的福利我覺得我們也應該鼓勵所以我也想要爭取說部長是不是也可以一併的把這個伙食費的免稅額可以從每個月2400可不可以跟他們討論到增加到3000想說部長有沒有辦法來幫他們一併的反應\n\n08:38.317 --> 08:57.289\n好,我們這個免稅額、伙食費的部分了解這是我另外一題,沒有在簡報上對,我們來一起來反映看看好不好,包括那個加班費嘛,是不是主要是那個加班費的免稅額的範圍因為有這個3%,大概30幾萬人就是有這個存在的需求\n\n09:01.727 --> 09:30.191\n這如果合併在所得稅裡面因為又會牽涉到整個所得稅的調整財政部恐怕沒關係部長你只要你只要幫他們發聲努力去謀取這個福利因為我覺得他其實確實有必要的因為我剛剛這些數據都已經呈現給您看如果你需要我們本期也可以再把這個整理一份給您我覺得這是可以去跟財政部說的因為這批人甚至是有這個需求的存在好不好我也把數據都整理出來好另外喔\n\n09:31.161 --> 09:32.804\n我要再加問一個這個低薪現象\n\n09:34.079 --> 09:46.122\n我們的主計處昨天發布1至8月的薪資統計總薪資平均數成長是4.27%創10年最高實質經常性的薪資平均也連續5個月成長增幅為4年來最高實質總薪資增加的比例是1.92%也是近6年最高然後說打敗通膨部長對這樣的現象是不是覺得勞工之福\n\n10:03.288 --> 10:23.599\n委員我們的實質經常性薪資真的是成長的而且包括像餐飲現在也創新高餐飲現在很低那麼他現在已經到達37,000這樣的水平好沒錯事實上部長但是我還是要提醒你這個要持續關注我這個不是不要高興的太早加薪追不上通膨其實才是常態\n\n10:25.701 --> 10:39.799\n2022年以後這個經濟成長較為平穩加上CPI的增長仍高居不下其實導致2023年實質性的經常性的這個薪資跟實質性的薪資的增長全部都是負成長那其中\n\n10:41.040 --> 10:59.286\n實質性的薪資更為2017年以來持續的負增長年增率是負1.04%那受僱的這些員工其實經常性薪資已經連續三年的負成長所以你只用今年這個一到八月看其實只是一小段那還有一個重點是什麼\n\n11:00.146 --> 11:13.005\n其實就是昨天開始漲電價就算經濟部保守的評估說CPI值增加0.03%但我想還是會有一大票的預防性的漲價的部分所以\n\n11:17.130 --> 11:32.663\n這個部分我要提醒我們的部長是不是可以持續的關注那甚至是去調查其實之前我們這個會期的上半年也有通過所謂的中小企業發展條例等等的是鼓勵企業分享這個加薪給勞工嘛對不對\n\n11:33.444 --> 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