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00:01:25,427\n每次都是還是會發生這些問題結果後來工會也在努力然後後來跟僱主達成一個協商就是說可能賠180萬那至於我剛才講的因為他的身份的關係\n\n5\n00:01:26,508 --> 00:01:44,026\n在職業災害的這個職災的這個申請當中很像沒有受益者也就是說他沒有父母親了也沒有結婚嘛只有兄弟姐妹可是一定是他兄弟姐妹幫他幫他買帳啦可是這些費用就沒有人沒有人可以申請到所以這個部分可能要去看一下能不能對\n\n6\n00:01:45,187 --> 00:01:47,908\n邀請勞動部部長：邀請勞動部長：邀請勞動部長：\n\n7\n00:02:04,915 --> 00:02:32,785\n這個僱主就很有良心僱主先賠了五百萬僱主自己拿出來的然後工地險有兩百萬團體意外險兩百萬一共拿了九百萬也就是說他還沒有加上勞保的這些給付他就已經拿到了九百萬那跟相較於這個一百八十萬實在是十萬八千里我的意思就是說你要去知道這個來龍去脈跟他的比較跟差距因為同樣的一個族人的失去生命不要說族人啦國人失去生命的話\n\n8\n00:02:33,945 --> 00:02:53,253\n不同的家庭得到不同的待遇天然之別目前還在跟雇主協商的是0403的地震他是在台中離山工作結果石頭掉下來打到他後來住了家屋病房後來一段時間過世了目前一毛錢都還沒有領到\n\n9\n00:02:54,754 --> 00:03:23,121\n還在跟僱主在那邊協商說最近要召開協調會還要找我過去那我意思是說像這種勞工死亡的這些我是覺得說還是希望我們勞動部這邊可以主動去積極的介入不然有些人是180萬有的人是900萬有的人是完全沒有領到你說這對同樣生活在台灣的這一塊土地上面因為工作在不同的地區然後遭受到這樣不平等的待遇我是覺得應該盡量去避免可以嗎好不好好\n\n10\n00:03:24,681 --> 00:03:40,992\n委員其實資災保險現在比較普遍比起勞保大家保得更多所以能夠更全面去瞭解一下該案的特殊性好不好那我們就針對112例原住民就業狀況調查來看我們原住民勞動參與率我們先看一下15到24歲\n\n11\n00:03:48,017 --> 00:04:11,997\n呃這個還有55歲以上反而是比一般民眾還要高也就是說真正需要工作25歲到54歲這一群人呢是比我們全國的那個工作的那個機會是比較低的所以這個部分可能要去想辦法來解決因為這個25歲到54歲政治他應該工作的時候他青壯年的時候比較有體力的時候卻他的工作卻比較低可以嗎\n\n12\n00:04:12,757 --> 00:04:38,934\n好我們來了解對反而是那個比較高齡的或者是比較低齡的工作的那個比例比較高所以會發生意外也是有它的還有就是我們大部分是從事營建、工程業、製造業及住宿餐禮可是住宿餐禮這個部分很像都是兼職的工作所以我們幾乎都是臨時性的工作這個部分可能要在它的就業的或者是說它的\n\n13\n00:04:39,815 --> 00:05:03,182\n我們在實施我們的數位課程不是我們在計劃的時候是不是應該能夠提升他們的一些專業領域不是永遠都是在看門或是洗盤子或是這些以後可以受到比較好的教育或者說受訓以後可以變成一個領台的或是櫃台人員或者是成為一個領導階層是不是不是永遠都是做那些比較低階層的\n\n14\n00:05:04,522 --> 00:05:08,564\n委員我們其實都有幫部落還有地方政府合作為原住民開設這種執訓的比較專業技能的專班在8月1號我看到一個新聞是取消喬外森從事白領專機工作\n\n15\n00:05:25,311 --> 00:05:40,318\n以後他們也可以從事旅宿業這方面清潔、訂房接待、所屬餐廳、外廠工作這些工作就跟原住民的工作會重疊所以我就說是不是能夠保障或者說有一些比例\n\n16\n00:05:41,619 --> 00:05:57,626\n有這個比例?有,我們有針對原民有保障比例喔是是是好,最後一個就是我們目前常常聽到民族民的高山巷島有一些工作上的一些危險那我想說這些人都沒有人在關心他們我先說他們當然\n\n17\n00:05:58,786 --> 00:05:59,286\n委員會主席\n\n18\n00:06:19,833 --> 00:06:23,614\n邀請勞動部部長、行政院人事行政總處就:「如何提升國內薪資水準．落實保障政府機關單位內勞工之權益?」\n\n19\n00:06:35,598 --> 00:06:59,593\n救難工作的時候會叫他們去結果沒有給他們任何一毛錢那就是義務性的所以這個部分是不是也應該說納入說以後大家救難的時候第一個想到他們可是卻沒有相對的收入跟保障給他們第三個就是我們上次有講到在勞動環境部的時候山上很多垃圾還有比如說我們去看有沒有人在盜採那些珍貴的木材\n\n20\n00:07:01,393 --> 00:07:18,626\n這些人高山協作工作他不是每天都有工作嗎所以這些人就可以把他們聘用為比如說我們農業部的啦或者是我們環境部的這些相關的這些高山的工作因為平常你不是那麼容易到達只有他們可以去所以這些人無論他的工作的一些\n\n21\n00:07:19,727 --> 00:07:43,068\n我們所謂的他的合約或是他的未來的工作的那個保障啊比如說的投保的這個部分啊我想都沒有人在幫他們想辦法所以想說勞動部其實可以優先來去想說這些高三協助員他們未來工作的一個取向因為會越來越多人從事高三的活動嘛而且他們確實也是背負了那麼多的一個所謂的\n\n22\n00:07:44,289 --> 00:08:02,778\n很重要的工作,因為目前他有一個高山工作執行是希望他們不要背超過30公斤這個30公斤也不是很合理,因為他一定是先從重的開始,因為他每天的消耗一定會有一定是從50公斤開始背背背,然後下山的時候就變成大概十幾公斤所以這個高山工作執行就是沒有去實際參與的人去訂的\n\n23\n00:08:04,779 --> 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