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00:01:24,020\n這是不是請陸軍\n\n6\n00:01:44,536 --> 00:02:11,193\n報委員我到目前我沒有掌握到這個狀況下去我會做個了解到委員辦公室向您報告好謝謝因為我覺得這個是蠻嚴重的事情就是說呢我們連坐這種事情就是第一個照理說連坐往下連坐這個其實說真的是不適合啦因為假設今天有發生什麼事情是長官督導的一個責任嘛那如果說今天是因為這樣然後就取消大家的榮譽假這聽起來是不太合適因為畢竟人事是有人事的規定\n\n7\n00:02:12,153 --> 00:02:27,082\n這個對我來講這個從經典來講已經遇到兩次了就是說如果這個是屬實的話就會變成說我們常常人事明明就有人事的規定但是每一個旅每一個營常常用自己的方式去處理那這樣會變成上面沒有下達啦比如說我們剛剛講這個剛剛講這個家屬的社群聯絡這個是美意\n\n8\n00:02:31,084 --> 00:02:31,985\n拜託回去幫忙查證一下這件事情\n\n9\n00:02:47,782 --> 00:03:09,681\n好可以我想很多事情我們需要就每個個案來進行檢討檢討之後再傳遞我們認為應該正確的這個領導的方式跟作為好謝謝部長因為這個從今年開始畢竟有一些零星的這些案件出現那我們都還是要去注意就是每一次我們這種檢法業務減少就是說讓他們專精在戰訓本務這件事情\n\n10\n00:03:13,664 --> 00:03:14,065\n主席主席\n\n11\n00:03:31,723 --> 00:03:59,185\n本來是編的比較多,那今年因為編的比較少,所以這個編制緣額現在有減少。所以我要問的是預算緣額有減少,這一個有解釋過了。那我比較想要問的是下面這一段,就是因為我們看這個預算緣額,我們看到這一個,就是我們是從國防部的資料去跑的這個統計,就會發現真正減少的,因為這一個不同的線是代表2023到2025,顏色越深就代表是越近期的。\n\n12\n00:03:59,685 --> 00:04:27,055\n我們可以看到其實在這個上層降臨的這個部分其實它幾乎沒有什麼差異幾乎減少的都是基層的部隊所以這一個目前我們就算假設我們今天真的要檢討說到底我們這個預算原額的問題或者說未來我們要流盈我都知道因為我們通常會討論到這個流盈率我們的比例現在其實都符合正常但如果我們把它拆開來看的話會發現上面是過度符合正常的\n\n13\n00:04:27,475 --> 00:04:27,635\n主席主席\n\n14\n00:04:50,259 --> 00:05:18,480\n我們正在進行一個通牌的檢討就各項的這個原因就包括就是說你招募有招募成效進來之後但是你的不適乎然後太處或者是這個流盈率的這個的這個比例是如何那這些部分呢我想我們都應該要去理解他的原因是什麼那比如說可能是\n\n15\n00:05:18,660 --> 00:05:18,840\n李卓人議員\n\n16\n00:05:36,817 --> 00:05:37,037\n沈伯洋\n\n17\n00:06:02,492 --> 00:06:31,466\n在招募的那個當下他是不是就能夠知道他所要承擔的這些相關的工作等等那他對於這個軍中的這個管理這些相關作為他是不是就他來看的話他是不是能夠充分的知悉他所應該可能面對的這個環境是怎麼樣這個我想都應該是要從招募、留營跟還有管理面還有待遇面各方面要來探討他的誠意這樣子\n\n18\n00:06:32,806 --> 00:06:56,905\n我是聽說政戰之後也會針對這一個做一些研擬跟討論那我們就看在年底之前或在明年的時候我們看有什麼叫通盤的方案因為畢竟部長一開始上任的時候最主要強調的就是業務上的一些不必要業務的減少回歸戰訓本務那我們會針對這件事情來看一下到底有沒有辦法做到改善那這一個業務這個部分我先講到這邊接下來我想講的就是比較回歸戰訓本務\n\n19\n00:07:00,408 --> 00:07:26,267\n這是兩件事情第一件事情就是說這個復工站的這個食材因為這次有山陀兒嘛那山陀兒畢竟停了稍微比較久一點他停了三天那有一些這個復工站呢他們就會發現他們的冷凍庫啊這個預備的這個食材存量撐不到兩三天那但是我們有去稍微詢問其他的因為這個陳情的只是個案我們有去問其他的復工站有一些復工站是說他們的食物其實本來按照他們的存量是有辦法存到兩三天的\n\n20\n00:07:26,947 --> 00:07:48,994\n但是可能有個別的他沒有辦法這樣做那因為這次颱風他是有預警的但有時候會有一些無預警的一些地震天差也有可能會兩到三天那我們有問一些復工站的人員他們會講說就是如果先是有預警的話他們有時候也會讓就是他們採買的這個對象比如說準備多一點比如說瓜果類的啊可以放比較久的啊或者冷凍的肉食品啊等等之類的\n\n21\n00:07:49,575 --> 00:07:50,577\n國防部可以針對這件事情重新來做一次盤點嗎?\n\n22\n00:07:59,102 --> 00:08:21,641\n現在就是說,如果是像現在講的是平時的部分,那平時的部分當然他是由單位像護工站來採買,那我想就這個部分要怎麼樣子讓他能夠平時能夠囤儲這個相關的主戶時,到達一定的日數以上,這件事情我們要來檢討一下。\n\n23\n00:08:25,924 --> 00:08:48,212\n現在一般來講應該是說主副食的部分按照規定應該是30...主食是30日以上主食是30日以上然後單位的冷凍食品都在7天以上這是最基本盤因為畢竟現在我們雖然是討論平時但是我覺得總是我們要去考量到各式各樣的事情的發生\n\n24\n00:08:49,093 --> 00:08:58,353\n對於這些個別的我們再跟國防部來溝通然後看一下至少讓我們確定不管是在糧食不管是在武器等等之類我們都能夠有好的這些存放\n\n25\n00:08:59,521 --> 00:09:28,852\n對,所以我想如果有這樣子的話,那麼如果有單位太依賴這個護工站的這個食材的話,這個可能我們要來檢討一下,這樣。好,謝謝部長。那我本來還先問無人機,那因為時間不夠了,那我再問幾,就是一樣都是跟這個有關的好了,就是也是食品的。就是說我們現在有這個,當然我們有這種加熱式的這種餐盒,當然也有這種乾糧,有各式各樣的。那我們當然也有遇到一些陳情是在講說,因為這一包其實不是很便宜啦,就是\n\n26\n00:09:29,332 --> 00:09:50,118\n在外面買很貴啦,可能要五六百,那我們看過海巡有才買,可以才買到兩百多塊,當然是便宜蠻多,陸軍應該也是可以買到比較便宜,但無論如何我們一個月現在的這個餐食費按照這樣處一處,其實他不可能每一餐都吃到這一個,但我們知道美軍也不可能每一餐吃那麼好啦,那但是目前我們對於,因為之前國防部有提到這個熱食追送,\n\n27\n00:09:50,998 --> 00:10:15,366\n那熱食追送跟這種乾糧會有跟這一個現在這種加熱式的參和目前第一個就是我想知道的是他的規劃如何但第二個最重要的就是預算因為你總是要預算你光是漢光演習五天你就需要多少的這些存糧嗎所以就是目前來講目前經費因為現在我們要進入到這一個預算的審查這個經費的規劃會不會充足我想了解這件事情\n\n28\n00:10:16,107 --> 00:10:27,364\n有關那個就是類似這樣子的一個條理包這樣子的一個我們在明年已經規劃試行新增這個搭配部隊來做那大概是規劃在28\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n632\t1296\t謝謝主席有請部長謝謝來部長請\n9733\t33890\t是 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謝謝部長因為這個從今年開始畢竟有一些零星的這些案件出現那我們都還是要去注意就是每一次我們這種檢法業務減少就是說讓他們專精在戰訓本務這件事情\n193664\t194065\t主席主席\n211723\t239185\t本來是編的比較多,那今年因為編的比較少,所以這個編制緣額現在有減少。所以我要問的是預算緣額有減少,這一個有解釋過了。那我比較想要問的是下面這一段,就是因為我們看這個預算緣額,我們看到這一個,就是我們是從國防部的資料去跑的這個統計,就會發現真正減少的,因為這一個不同的線是代表2023到2025,顏色越深就代表是越近期的。\n239685\t267055\t我們可以看到其實在這個上層降臨的這個部分其實它幾乎沒有什麼差異幾乎減少的都是基層的部隊所以這一個目前我們就算假設我們今天真的要檢討說到底我們這個預算原額的問題或者說未來我們要流盈我都知道因為我們通常會討論到這個流盈率我們的比例現在其實都符合正常但如果我們把它拆開來看的話會發現上面是過度符合正常的\n267475\t267635\t主席主席\n290259\t318480\t我們正在進行一個通牌的檢討就各項的這個原因就包括就是說你招募有招募成效進來之後但是你的不適乎然後太處或者是這個流盈率的這個的這個比例是如何那這些部分呢我想我們都應該要去理解他的原因是什麼那比如說可能是\n318660\t318840\t李卓人議員\n336817\t337037\t沈伯洋\n362492\t391466\t在招募的那個當下他是不是就能夠知道他所要承擔的這些相關的工作等等那他對於這個軍中的這個管理這些相關作為他是不是就他來看的話他是不是能夠充分的知悉他所應該可能面對的這個環境是怎麼樣這個我想都應該是要從招募、留營跟還有管理面還有待遇面各方面要來探討他的誠意這樣子\n392806\t416905\t我是聽說政戰之後也會針對這一個做一些研擬跟討論那我們就看在年底之前或在明年的時候我們看有什麼叫通盤的方案因為畢竟部長一開始上任的時候最主要強調的就是業務上的一些不必要業務的減少回歸戰訓本務那我們會針對這件事情來看一下到底有沒有辦法做到改善那這一個業務這個部分我先講到這邊接下來我想講的就是比較回歸戰訓本務\n420408\t446267\t這是兩件事情第一件事情就是說這個復工站的這個食材因為這次有山陀兒嘛那山陀兒畢竟停了稍微比較久一點他停了三天那有一些這個復工站呢他們就會發現他們的冷凍庫啊這個預備的這個食材存量撐不到兩三天那但是我們有去稍微詢問其他的因為這個陳情的只是個案我們有去問其他的復工站有一些復工站是說他們的食物其實本來按照他們的存量是有辦法存到兩三天的\n446947\t468994\t但是可能有個別的他沒有辦法這樣做那因為這次颱風他是有預警的但有時候會有一些無預警的一些地震天差也有可能會兩到三天那我們有問一些復工站的人員他們會講說就是如果先是有預警的話他們有時候也會讓就是他們採買的這個對象比如說準備多一點比如說瓜果類的啊可以放比較久的啊或者冷凍的肉食品啊等等之類的\n469575\t470577\t國防部可以針對這件事情重新來做一次盤點嗎?\n479102\t501641\t現在就是說,如果是像現在講的是平時的部分,那平時的部分當然他是由單位像護工站來採買,那我想就這個部分要怎麼樣子讓他能夠平時能夠囤儲這個相關的主戶時,到達一定的日數以上,這件事情我們要來檢討一下。\n505924\t528212\t現在一般來講應該是說主副食的部分按照規定應該是30...主食是30日以上主食是30日以上然後單位的冷凍食品都在7天以上這是最基本盤因為畢竟現在我們雖然是討論平時但是我覺得總是我們要去考量到各式各樣的事情的發生\n529093\t538353\t對於這些個別的我們再跟國防部來溝通然後看一下至少讓我們確定不管是在糧食不管是在武器等等之類我們都能夠有好的這些存放\n539521\t568852\t對,所以我想如果有這樣子的話,那麼如果有單位太依賴這個護工站的這個食材的話,這個可能我們要來檢討一下,這樣。好,謝謝部長。那我本來還先問無人機,那因為時間不夠了,那我再問幾,就是一樣都是跟這個有關的好了,就是也是食品的。就是說我們現在有這個,當然我們有這種加熱式的這種餐盒,當然也有這種乾糧,有各式各樣的。那我們當然也有遇到一些陳情是在講說,因為這一包其實不是很便宜啦,就是\n569332\t590118\t在外面買很貴啦,可能要五六百,那我們看過海巡有才買,可以才買到兩百多塊,當然是便宜蠻多,陸軍應該也是可以買到比較便宜,但無論如何我們一個月現在的這個餐食費按照這樣處一處,其實他不可能每一餐都吃到這一個,但我們知道美軍也不可能每一餐吃那麼好啦,那但是目前我們對於,因為之前國防部有提到這個熱食追送,\n590998\t615366\t那熱食追送跟這種乾糧會有跟這一個現在這種加熱式的參和目前第一個就是我想知道的是他的規劃如何但第二個最重要的就是預算因為你總是要預算你光是漢光演習五天你就需要多少的這些存糧嗎所以就是目前來講目前經費因為現在我們要進入到這一個預算的審查這個經費的規劃會不會充足我想了解這件事情\n616107\t627364\t有關那個就是類似這樣子的一個條理包這樣子的一個我們在明年已經規劃試行新增這個搭配部隊來做那大概是規劃在28\n630077\t653660\t臨處議員\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請部長謝謝來部長請\n是 沈伯洋好部長好那這個因為今天題目比較多所以這個我第一個我先跳過好了這個我下次再問我先問一下就是說就是之前這次業務報告也有提到就是減法就是說我們希望業務能夠減少那我們有看到這一個就是說這一個跟家屬聯繫社群通訊計畫的實施計畫那不知道這一個落實的如何\n你現在講的是指說他那個社群通訊的對對對變成用社群的現在就是說我了解是說征戰局他現在是說為了能夠讓家屬跟家屬雙向溝通能夠及時傳達所以呢他就將這個設一個LINE的一個群組然後來快速的來做一個及時的資訊傳達他的原意是如此這樣\n因為我會問這樣子就是因為我們都還是希望能夠具體落實那我們很高興有看到這樣的一個文發出來因為我們是看到這是國防部發出來的文那當然我們在另外一件事情有因為這一個我覺得應該在落實上應該不會那麼困難但我們有看到另外一個就是在這一個58這個這個報紙部\n這是不是請陸軍\n報委員我到目前我沒有掌握到這個狀況下去我會做個了解到委員辦公室向您報告好謝謝因為我覺得這個是蠻嚴重的事情就是說呢我們連坐這種事情就是第一個照理說連坐往下連坐這個其實說真的是不適合啦因為假設今天有發生什麼事情是長官督導的一個責任嘛那如果說今天是因為這樣然後就取消大家的榮譽假這聽起來是不太合適因為畢竟人事是有人事的規定\n這個對我來講這個從經典來講已經遇到兩次了就是說如果這個是屬實的話就會變成說我們常常人事明明就有人事的規定但是每一個旅每一個營常常用自己的方式去處理那這樣會變成上面沒有下達啦比如說我們剛剛講這個剛剛講這個家屬的社群聯絡這個是美意\n拜託回去幫忙查證一下這件事情\n好 可以 我想很多事情我們需要就每個個案來進行檢討檢討之後再傳遞我們認為應該正確的這個領導的方式跟作為好 謝謝部長因為這個從今年開始畢竟有一些零星的這些案件出現那我們都還是要去注意就是每一次我們這種檢法業務減少就是說讓他們專精在戰訓本務這件事情\n主席主席\n本來是編的比較多,那今年因為編的比較少,所以這個編制緣額現在有減少。所以我要問的是預算緣額有減少,這一個有解釋過了。那我比較想要問的是下面這一段,就是因為我們看這個預算緣額,我們看到這一個,就是我們是從國防部的資料去跑的這個統計,就會發現真正減少的,因為這一個不同的線是代表2023到2025,顏色越深就代表是越近期的。\n我們可以看到其實在這個上層降臨的這個部分其實它幾乎沒有什麼差異幾乎減少的都是基層的部隊所以這一個目前我們就算假設我們今天真的要檢討說到底我們這個預算原額的問題或者說未來我們要流盈我都知道因為我們通常會討論到這個流盈率我們的比例現在其實都符合正常但如果我們把它拆開來看的話會發現上面是過度符合正常的\n主席主席\n我們正在進行一個通牌的檢討就各項的這個原因就包括就是說你招募有招募成效進來之後但是你的不適乎然後太處或者是這個流盈率的這個的這個比例是如何那這些部分呢我想我們都應該要去理解他的原因是什麼那比如說可能是\n李卓人議員\n沈伯洋\n在招募的那個當下他是不是就能夠知道他所要承擔的這些相關的工作等等那他對於這個軍中的這個管理這些相關作為他是不是就他來看的話他是不是能夠充分的知悉他所應該可能面對的這個環境是怎麼樣這個我想都應該是要從招募、留營跟還有管理面還有待遇面各方面要來探討他的誠意這樣子\n我是聽說政戰之後也會針對這一個做一些研擬跟討論那我們就看在年底之前或在明年的時候我們看有什麼叫通盤的方案因為畢竟部長一開始上任的時候最主要強調的就是業務上的一些不必要業務的減少回歸戰訓本務那我們會針對這件事情來看一下到底有沒有辦法做到改善那這一個業務這個部分我先講到這邊接下來我想講的就是比較回歸戰訓本務\n這是兩件事情第一件事情就是說這個復工站的這個食材因為這次有山陀兒嘛那山陀兒畢竟停了稍微比較久一點他停了三天那有一些這個復工站呢他們就會發現他們的冷凍庫啊這個預備的這個食材存量撐不到兩三天那但是我們有去稍微詢問其他的因為這個陳情的只是個案我們有去問其他的復工站有一些復工站是說他們的食物其實本來按照他們的存量是有辦法存到兩三天的\n但是可能有個別的他沒有辦法這樣做那因為這次颱風他是有預警的但有時候會有一些無預警的一些地震天差也有可能會兩到三天那我們有問一些復工站的人員他們會講說就是如果先是有預警的話他們有時候也會讓就是他們採買的這個對象比如說準備多一點比如說瓜果類的啊可以放比較久的啊或者冷凍的肉食品啊等等之類的\n國防部可以針對這件事情重新來做一次盤點嗎?\n現在就是說,如果是像現在講的是平時的部分,那平時的部分當然他是由單位像護工站來採買,那我想就這個部分要怎麼樣子讓他能夠平時能夠囤儲這個相關的主戶時,到達一定的日數以上,這件事情我們要來檢討一下。\n現在一般來講應該是說主副食的部分按照規定應該是30...主食是30日以上主食是30日以上然後單位的冷凍食品都在7天以上這是最基本盤因為畢竟現在我們雖然是討論平時但是我覺得總是我們要去考量到各式各樣的事情的發生\n對於這些個別的我們再跟國防部來溝通然後看一下至少讓我們確定不管是在糧食不管是在武器等等之類我們都能夠有好的這些存放\n對,所以我想如果有這樣子的話,那麼如果有單位太依賴這個護工站的這個食材的話,這個可能我們要來檢討一下,這樣。好,謝謝部長。那我本來還先問無人機,那因為時間不夠了,那我再問幾,就是一樣都是跟這個有關的好了,就是也是食品的。就是說我們現在有這個,當然我們有這種加熱式的這種餐盒,當然也有這種乾糧,有各式各樣的。那我們當然也有遇到一些陳情是在講說,因為這一包其實不是很便宜啦,就是\n在外面買很貴啦,可能要五六百,那我們看過海巡有才買,可以才買到兩百多塊,當然是便宜蠻多,陸軍應該也是可以買到比較便宜,但無論如何我們一個月現在的這個餐食費按照這樣處一處,其實他不可能每一餐都吃到這一個,但我們知道美軍也不可能每一餐吃那麼好啦,那但是目前我們對於,因為之前國防部有提到這個熱食追送,\n那熱食追送跟這種乾糧會有跟這一個現在這種加熱式的參和目前第一個就是我想知道的是他的規劃如何但第二個最重要的就是預算因為你總是要預算你光是漢光演習五天你就需要多少的這些存糧嗎所以就是目前來講目前經費因為現在我們要進入到這一個預算的審查這個經費的規劃會不會充足我想了解這件事情\n有關那個就是類似這樣子的一個條理包這樣子的一個我們在明年已經規劃試行新增這個搭配部隊來做那大概是規劃在28\n臨處議員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.632 --> 00:01.296\n謝謝主席有請部長謝謝來部長請\n\n00:09.733 --> 00:33.890\n是沈伯洋好部長好那這個因為今天題目比較多所以這個我第一個我先跳過好了這個我下次再問我先問一下就是說就是之前這次業務報告也有提到就是減法就是說我們希望業務能夠減少那我們有看到這一個就是說這一個跟家屬聯繫社群通訊計畫的實施計畫那不知道這一個落實的如何\n\n00:37.082 --> 01:04.189\n你現在講的是指說他那個社群通訊的對對對變成用社群的現在就是說我了解是說征戰局他現在是說為了能夠讓家屬跟家屬雙向溝通能夠及時傳達所以呢他就將這個設一個LINE的一個群組然後來快速的來做一個及時的資訊傳達他的原意是如此這樣\n\n01:05.229 --> 01:20.758\n因為我會問這樣子就是因為我們都還是希望能夠具體落實那我們很高興有看到這樣的一個文發出來因為我們是看到這是國防部發出來的文那當然我們在另外一件事情有因為這一個我覺得應該在落實上應該不會那麼困難但我們有看到另外一個就是在這一個58這個這個報紙部\n\n01:23.880 --> 01:24.020\n這是不是請陸軍\n\n01:44.536 --> 02:11.193\n報委員我到目前我沒有掌握到這個狀況下去我會做個了解到委員辦公室向您報告好謝謝因為我覺得這個是蠻嚴重的事情就是說呢我們連坐這種事情就是第一個照理說連坐往下連坐這個其實說真的是不適合啦因為假設今天有發生什麼事情是長官督導的一個責任嘛那如果說今天是因為這樣然後就取消大家的榮譽假這聽起來是不太合適因為畢竟人事是有人事的規定\n\n02:12.153 --> 02:27.082\n這個對我來講這個從經典來講已經遇到兩次了就是說如果這個是屬實的話就會變成說我們常常人事明明就有人事的規定但是每一個旅每一個營常常用自己的方式去處理那這樣會變成上面沒有下達啦比如說我們剛剛講這個剛剛講這個家屬的社群聯絡這個是美意\n\n02:31.084 --> 02:31.985\n拜託回去幫忙查證一下這件事情\n\n02:47.782 --> 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