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延續一下剛剛斑斑有先辱的政策我想要請教一下第一個問題是前幾天我們卓院長也說當初推這個政策的時候有點太倉促然後沒有思慮欠舟那就開始有校長學校的國中小的校長開始擔心是不是要轉向是不是要取消這個政策我想要請教一下會持續執行嗎\n反映西部長我知道但是你後面我一直說未來會持續堅持把這個政策做好嗎\n部長,請問當初斑斑有鮮乳的政策是你們農業部發起還是教育部提議的?是誰發起的?\n我想在一開始的時候大概是兩年多前就開始有這樣子一個規劃那在規劃的過程中我們是針對酪農產業特別是所以算是你們發起的嘛對不對應該是我們跟我們有一些想法在跟教育部溝通所以就是你們發起然後然後開始希望說可以可以保障這個酪農產業嘛對不對是是是那剛剛為什麼又說他其實影響不大\n你說那個斑斑有鮮乳喝到的影響不大,應該不是這樣子吧?我沒有講影響沒有你剛剛,覺得你們之前有說你們之前農業部有說斑斑喝鮮奶不及年產量5%與去化國產生乳無關這兩個事情就是說有些人外界來批評說我們是為了去化而把牛奶送到學校\n好那沒關係沒關係那我們現在知道了就是基本上我們也認同就是輔導我們國內的落農產業但是喔鮮乳的生產排程至少要一年但是你們想要在這個短短兩三個月內完成結果就陷入這個冷氣房政策不僅沒有加匯到這個落農產業反倒是小落農跟養乳產業先被這個政策弄死部長這個農業部是真的要\n福島保護弱農產業嗎?好,因為包含我們的這個弱農這個協會理事長也表示依照嘉義開辦這個類似政策15年的經驗總結先乳行前一瓶是18元但農業部的保酒乳你們是開每一瓶14元然後先乳每瓶16元那基本上就是中央訂定的價格實在太低了\n考量到這個飼料、牧草、冷鏈運輸成本等等他們認為每瓶鮮乳至少要19元才算合格所以現在看起來不僅是沒有配套除了那個什麼冷鏈的問題啦等等的沒有配套之外從一開始招聘、招標的價格就不合理是不是可以請我們農業部和交易部一併檢討這個部分\n我想後續的政策在推動的時候我們包括價格包括配中的方式包括方式我們都會統一的來做一個好的完整所以我要提議這個部分就是請你們回去檢討之外其實我們國人的這個乳糖肥胎症比例高達88%所以其實也可以輔導像有一些產品是不含乳糖的這種乳品所以這部分是可以思考還有剛剛的這個牛奶兌換券請你們請你們可以去往這個方向思考配合超商\n再來我要趕快問一個,部長,歐盟在2006年已經全面禁止抗生素作為生長促進,添加於飼料,兼用抗生素是國際趨勢,那我國這幾年也有陸續剔除,但是尚有19種抗生素\n請問一下部長我們何時可以跟歐盟一樣全面禁止在飼料中使用抗生素作為促進劑生長促進劑\n我想我們持續針對這些抗生素的部分會有一些品項跟那個部長歐盟在2006年就逐步禁用最後4種這個飼料用抗生素其中這個復熱酶素跟這個阿美拉酶素也是在禁用之列但是我國到目前為止卻還是可以使用請教部長現在我國的這個國家級的防疫體\n抗生素抗藥性管理行動計畫也在7月公布了那其中農業部也是非常重要的角色我國有行動計畫但是行動目標上面有沒有決心要跟歐盟一樣禁用含抗生素的飼料\n這個部分會跟衛生部來協調那我們一個非常重要的就是我們針對這些抗生素的部分如果說它有人序共通的一些疾病的防止的部分還有一些對於後面有交叉感染的部分我們會做優先在這個部分我們又有一些排序是部長但是在這個行動計畫中其中除了醫院以及用藥的管控之外最重要的就是跟這個農業部的合作但是我們可以看到這個計畫後面的副表\n也就是這個績效指標或是衡量指標還有目標值你們在工作項目中\n發展續勤養殖場抗生素減用策略史我看到的時候我是覺得差點沒有暈倒你們居然沒有要像歐盟一樣全面禁用而是一年拖一年你們這些年度目標其實是非常的緩慢喔我想要請問部長我們國家的標準能到就這麼低嗎?你們是不是可以好好的再去檢討你們訂定的這些年度目標究竟有沒有辦法跟上國際趨勢然後以及對我們國人有沒有什麼影響\n請檢討後的報告再給本席辦公室一份,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.162 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