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00:01:26,721\n所以真的很用心了那目前目前謝謝委員提醒這是委員有這個提醒我們我們馬上來執行謝謝真的那麼快速就可以來回應而且我們知道早上部長有提到目前的移工人數約是80萬如果再加上沒有掌握到可能有將近百萬\n\n4\n00:01:27,521 --> 00:01:42,269\n那不知道目前10月1號到現在有多少位的人員加入到這個LINEapp裡面當作廠長在瀏覽或是需要協助的時候他們可以用的工具目前有沒有掌握到這個數據\n\n5\n00:01:47,453 --> 00:01:57,702\n68萬人了有加68萬6684的好友數了是是對目前我們也是有瞭解到真的有68萬6684人幾乎85%的移工都加入了\n\n6\n00:02:02,046 --> 00:02:16,340\n我們如果是有100萬左右的話當然很希望才兩個多禮拜的時間就有到這麼好的成績期待會有更完整的這些人員來參與不知道在座各位包括部長、署長有參加嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:18,882 --> 00:02:44,054\n有,有,市長有,他每天都在看這樣才能夠實際掌握到他的動態而且如果真的需要協助或怎麼樣的話可以在第一時間就發動協助的部分當然從中央、部裡面、署裡面還有地方也期待他們共同的來針對移工就醫的部分可以有更完整的一些配套措施\n\n8\n00:02:45,554 --> 00:03:12,075\n這是很感謝的部分那黑戶寶寶其實目前我們知道他們還是很需要大家共同來照顧不管他的狀況是如何那我們也知道財源還是一個問題啦其實金額不是很多可是對於這些照顧還是畢竟需要一些財力來能夠支持所以包括黑戶寶寶還有失聯移工的醫療呆帳\n\n9\n00:03:13,716 --> 00:03:35,478\n因為我在醫療單位了解的過程裡面我們的部立醫院基本上都是由他們在負責處理這些不管是失聯移工或者是黑戶寶寶的醫療對他們來講也是一個負擔所以這部分有沒有相關的演繹可以讓我們了解需不需要跨部會的協助\n\n10\n00:03:36,539 --> 00:03:47,512\n有,其實委員在之前行政院有召開跨部會的會議在陳建仁院長的時代那麼當然衛福部也希望我們勞動部這邊\n\n11\n00:03:52,357 --> 00:04:19,013\n因為這是這樣我們這個幾乎都是私聯的移工產生的醫療費用啦包括他的可能生育或是各方面那這方面我們當然會不會我們有跨部會的討論這個要怎麼去補貼醫院在這部分的費用的承擔因為現在都是醫院他被迫要\n\n12\n00:04:19,853 --> 00:04:22,856\n希望很快會有結果,不然的話對這個醫院來講當然是一個很大的負擔\n\n13\n00:04:35,291 --> 00:04:57,599\n公務預算嗎因為這個會牽扯到下一個問題就是那未來我們有沒有辦法有效的去強化外國仲介的課則我記得之前我們有討論這個議題尤其跟印度簽了MOU以後現在進入到實質討論的話那未來對於這個外國仲介是不是我們也希望把相關的需求\n\n14\n00:04:58,879 --> 00:05:21,746\n連帶了納進來,包括遣還費的負擔、收容費的負擔還有醫療費用的負擔是,我們對失聯移工、對醫療費用我們現在正在試圖跟來源國協商我們在每一個來源國的雙邊會議上我們都有提出這樣的議題就是你所產生的失聯移工的這樣子的醫療費用我們現在試圖往這個方向來處理這樣子\n\n15\n00:05:24,147 --> 00:05:51,299\n好,那如果有什麼結果或什麼那個成效的話是,我們跟委員拿來提供並回報是好,謝謝那再過來就要請教薪資提升的政策還有壯高齡勞工權益的問題因為剛好今天今天行政院的這個經發會也在討論一些改善低薪如果能夠讓所有的青年族群能夠得到有效的改善\n\n16\n00:05:53,099 --> 00:06:16,988\n另外就是針對於這些教育部也相折之下要研議薪資透明還有企業內部薪資的結構等等的問題請教一下當我們努力的在提升這個最低工資還有最低的這個小時工資的同時其實我們也很關心中介的我們這些勞動朋友\n\n17\n00:06:18,268 --> 00:06:46,478\n目前還有沒有什麼樣的政策或者是有哪一些相對有效的方案讓他們已經在這個職場裡面有一個成熟的環境可是他看著下面的這些新進的同仁好像工資越來越倍進跟他同樣的當然還是有差距可是呢他的感受應該是會不太一樣我是不知道因為你身為這個我們勞動朋友的這個最高主管\n\n18\n00:06:47,498 --> 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app裡面當作廠長在瀏覽或是需要協助的時候他們可以用的工具目前有沒有掌握到這個數據\n68萬人了有加68萬6684的好友數了是是對目前我們也是有瞭解到真的有68萬6684人幾乎85%的移工都加入了\n我們如果是有100萬左右的話當然很希望才兩個多禮拜的時間就有到這麼好的成績期待會有更完整的這些人員來參與不知道在座各位包括部長、署長有參加嗎?\n有,有,市長有,他每天都在看這樣才能夠實際掌握到他的動態而且如果真的需要協助或怎麼樣的話可以在第一時間就發動協助的部分當然從中央、部裡面、署裡面還有地方也期待他們共同的來針對移工就醫的部分可以有更完整的一些配套措施\n這是很感謝的部分那黑戶寶寶其實目前我們知道他們還是很需要大家共同來照顧不管他的狀況是如何那我們也知道財源還是一個問題啦其實金額不是很多可是對於這些照顧還是畢竟需要一些財力來能夠支持所以包括黑戶寶寶還有失聯移工的醫療呆帳\n因為我在醫療單位了解的過程裡面我們的部立醫院基本上都是由他們在負責處理這些不管是失聯移工或者是黑戶寶寶的醫療對他們來講也是一個負擔所以這部分有沒有相關的演繹可以讓我們了解需不需要跨部會的協助\n有,其實委員在之前行政院有召開跨部會的會議在陳建仁院長的時代那麼當然衛福部也希望我們勞動部這邊\n因為這是這樣我們這個幾乎都是私聯的移工產生的醫療費用啦包括他的可能生育或是各方面那這方面我們當然會不會我們有跨部會的討論這個要怎麼去補貼醫院在這部分的費用的承擔因為現在都是醫院他被迫要\n希望很快會有結果,不然的話對這個醫院來講當然是一個很大的負擔\n公務預算嗎因為這個會牽扯到下一個問題就是那未來我們有沒有辦法有效的去強化外國仲介的課則我記得之前我們有討論這個議題尤其跟印度簽了MOU以後現在進入到實質討論的話那未來對於這個外國仲介是不是我們也希望把相關的需求\n連帶了納進來,包括遣還費的負擔、收容費的負擔還有醫療費用的負擔是,我們對失聯移工、對醫療費用我們現在正在試圖跟來源國協商我們在每一個來源國的雙邊會議上我們都有提出這樣的議題就是你所產生的失聯移工的這樣子的醫療費用我們現在試圖往這個方向來處理這樣子\n好,那如果有什麼結果或什麼那個成效的話是,我們跟委員拿來提供並回報是好,謝謝那再過來就要請教薪資提升的政策還有壯高齡勞工權益的問題因為剛好今天今天行政院的這個經發會也在討論一些改善低薪如果能夠讓所有的青年族群能夠得到有效的改善\n另外就是針對於這些教育部也相折之下要研議薪資透明還有企業內部薪資的結構等等的問題請教一下當我們努力的在提升這個最低工資還有最低的這個小時工資的同時其實我們也很關心中介的我們這些勞動朋友\n目前還有沒有什麼樣的政策或者是有哪一些相對有效的方案讓他們已經在這個職場裡面有一個成熟的環境可是他看著下面的這些新進的同仁好像工資越來越倍進跟他同樣的當然還是有差距可是呢他的感受應該是會不太一樣我是不知道因為你身為這個我們勞動朋友的這個最高主管\n的這個相關人員有沒有同步的去設想這些中階勞工在這方面有未來哪一些好的政策或者是相關的政策配套可以協助這一部分的我們的勞動朋友們\n我們最新的這樣子勞動部這邊我們就是主動我在報告裡面有提就是我們跟金管會合作我們在上市櫃公司的ESG裡面他們的報告書裡面我們要求揭露非主管職的薪資的狀況那麼我們希望透過這種揭露讓大家尤其是有能力支付的上市櫃公司先來啦\n他們那個能夠讓他們提升這個他們的所有的大概最低工資以上的以上的這樣的人員的薪水我們是希望目前用這樣子薪資透明化的方式來處理這樣子\n對那這樣的話也希望能夠帶動對就是還有包括就是政府我們今年提供這是提高的軍公教調薪嘛其實軍公教調薪對最低工資以上的勞工朋友的那個薪資提升會有示範效果企業會普遍加薪你比像台書企業他就加了4%我會說比較有能力的企業他就會跟進這樣子所以我們也是希望能夠呼籲企業在這方面要多善待\n自己的勞工其次就是包括我們立院也很幫忙中小企業條例加薪抵稅這也是一個非常好的修法今年也通過了我們是不是看這樣的政策效果這樣的實行如何我們期待從各方面都可以來努力讓所有同仁都有機會得到這邊的好處\n再過來想要請教就是這個中高齡工作保障從這個媒體我們最近也發現因為數位化進行碳排的這些轉型導致在之前相對資深的員工中高齡的工作權\n受到的影響那這一部分有沒有更有效的行政救濟措施或者是未來如何預作安排我們知道每一個公司可能都會面臨同樣的問題的時候那如何能夠有機會去預作相關的安排來減少這個事件或是類似的情形再度發生\n委員我們當然在這個法制面上其實現在中高齡專法對你以年齡為名的之前或者是那個我們是會罰款的所以像這個個案他就是用中高齡法去罰他他被罰了60萬這個公司所以其實是有法律政策工具那當然您講的應該是預防端那預防端\n確實這個包括淨零碳排、包括數位轉型這都是勞工朋友面臨的挑戰那我們在這方面也是廣泛的就是包括我們對就業訓練我們也是不停的投注資源在做各種補助然後也協助勞工朋友在這方面做技能的提升的自我訓練跟我們協助他這樣子我們也都有補助的很多\n對我們希望勞動朋友知道自己的權益那同時也針對於這些公司也能夠進行有效的勸導也好或者是必要的處罰也好我想很多企業可能還不知道你如果用年齡歧視來之前的話是會被罰的這個我們來加強宣導好不好是好那最後有關於這個退休後\n重返原聘單位的鼓勵制度這一部分其實媒體真的討論非常非常的多所以如何能夠讓借領退休的這些同仁們他要原聘也好或者是要退休以後就是續聘或者是退休以後再聘\n引發很多很多的討論我相信這一批退休早一定會有很多的事謝謝委員的修法勞基法54條修正以後這部分真的引起的社會的這樣的討論是非常多這也是一個好事因為大家都開始重視那很多想覺得自己還有工作能力的勞工朋友也會開始思考那我要不要跟公司來討論這件事所以當然會引起一些討論那麼我們也在嘗試從這些\n各案的處理中然後來看看我們有什麼更好的方法來推動這個修法的落實好,我們很期待透過更多的討論以後讓這樣的美意可以真的讓所有的高齡者即使退休以後還可以充滿智障是是是,謝謝委員謝謝王建旭委員的發言\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.775 --> 00:14.978\n好,謝謝主席來有請何部長請何部長委員好部長好謝謝你今天早上相關的說明我們還是針對今天的主題來跟部長做一些討論一開始還是針對這個黑衣寶寶大家不一定黑戶寶寶對不起不是黑衣\n\n00:37.250 --> 01:02.849\n當然人數不多可是對於我們來講認為這是一個還是要很關心的議題在討論這個之前其實還是先肯定一下我們這個勞動力發展署目前所做的努力就是針對於友善就醫在這些移工友善就醫的部分做了很好的一個地圖專區對我們最近開通的10月1號開通\n\n01:05.951 --> 01:26.721\n所以真的很用心了那目前目前謝謝委員提醒這是委員有這個提醒我們我們馬上來執行謝謝真的那麼快速就可以來回應而且我們知道早上部長有提到目前的移工人數約是80萬如果再加上沒有掌握到可能有將近百萬\n\n01:27.521 --> 01:42.269\n那不知道目前10月1號到現在有多少位的人員加入到這個LINEapp裡面當作廠長在瀏覽或是需要協助的時候他們可以用的工具目前有沒有掌握到這個數據\n\n01:47.453 --> 01:57.702\n68萬人了有加68萬6684的好友數了是是對目前我們也是有瞭解到真的有68萬6684人幾乎85%的移工都加入了\n\n02:02.046 --> 02:16.340\n我們如果是有100萬左右的話當然很希望才兩個多禮拜的時間就有到這麼好的成績期待會有更完整的這些人員來參與不知道在座各位包括部長、署長有參加嗎?\n\n02:18.882 --> 02:44.054\n有,有,市長有,他每天都在看這樣才能夠實際掌握到他的動態而且如果真的需要協助或怎麼樣的話可以在第一時間就發動協助的部分當然從中央、部裡面、署裡面還有地方也期待他們共同的來針對移工就醫的部分可以有更完整的一些配套措施\n\n02:45.554 --> 03:12.075\n這是很感謝的部分那黑戶寶寶其實目前我們知道他們還是很需要大家共同來照顧不管他的狀況是如何那我們也知道財源還是一個問題啦其實金額不是很多可是對於這些照顧還是畢竟需要一些財力來能夠支持所以包括黑戶寶寶還有失聯移工的醫療呆帳\n\n03:13.716 --> 03:35.478\n因為我在醫療單位了解的過程裡面我們的部立醫院基本上都是由他們在負責處理這些不管是失聯移工或者是黑戶寶寶的醫療對他們來講也是一個負擔所以這部分有沒有相關的演繹可以讓我們了解需不需要跨部會的協助\n\n03:36.539 --> 03:47.512\n有,其實委員在之前行政院有召開跨部會的會議在陳建仁院長的時代那麼當然衛福部也希望我們勞動部這邊\n\n03:52.357 --> 04:19.013\n因為這是這樣我們這個幾乎都是私聯的移工產生的醫療費用啦包括他的可能生育或是各方面那這方面我們當然會不會我們有跨部會的討論這個要怎麼去補貼醫院在這部分的費用的承擔因為現在都是醫院他被迫要\n\n04:19.853 --> 04:22.856\n希望很快會有結果,不然的話對這個醫院來講當然是一個很大的負擔\n\n04:35.291 --> 04:57.599\n公務預算嗎因為這個會牽扯到下一個問題就是那未來我們有沒有辦法有效的去強化外國仲介的課則我記得之前我們有討論這個議題尤其跟印度簽了MOU以後現在進入到實質討論的話那未來對於這個外國仲介是不是我們也希望把相關的需求\n\n04:58.879 --> 05:21.746\n連帶了納進來,包括遣還費的負擔、收容費的負擔還有醫療費用的負擔是,我們對失聯移工、對醫療費用我們現在正在試圖跟來源國協商我們在每一個來源國的雙邊會議上我們都有提出這樣的議題就是你所產生的失聯移工的這樣子的醫療費用我們現在試圖往這個方向來處理這樣子\n\n05:24.147 --> 05:51.299\n好,那如果有什麼結果或什麼那個成效的話是,我們跟委員拿來提供並回報是好,謝謝那再過來就要請教薪資提升的政策還有壯高齡勞工權益的問題因為剛好今天今天行政院的這個經發會也在討論一些改善低薪如果能夠讓所有的青年族群能夠得到有效的改善\n\n05:53.099 --> 06:16.988\n另外就是針對於這些教育部也相折之下要研議薪資透明還有企業內部薪資的結構等等的問題請教一下當我們努力的在提升這個最低工資還有最低的這個小時工資的同時其實我們也很關心中介的我們這些勞動朋友\n\n06:18.268 --> 06:46.478\n目前還有沒有什麼樣的政策或者是有哪一些相對有效的方案讓他們已經在這個職場裡面有一個成熟的環境可是他看著下面的這些新進的同仁好像工資越來越倍進跟他同樣的當然還是有差距可是呢他的感受應該是會不太一樣我是不知道因為你身為這個我們勞動朋友的這個最高主管\n\n06:47.498 --> 07:01.101\n的這個相關人員有沒有同步的去設想這些中階勞工在這方面有未來哪一些好的政策或者是相關的政策配套可以協助這一部分的我們的勞動朋友們\n\n07:01.570 --> 07:26.272\n我們最新的這樣子勞動部這邊我們就是主動我在報告裡面有提就是我們跟金管會合作我們在上市櫃公司的ESG裡面他們的報告書裡面我們要求揭露非主管職的薪資的狀況那麼我們希望透過這種揭露讓大家尤其是有能力支付的上市櫃公司先來啦\n\n07:26.752 --> 07:41.948\n他們那個能夠讓他們提升這個他們的所有的大概最低工資以上的以上的這樣的人員的薪水我們是希望目前用這樣子薪資透明化的方式來處理這樣子\n\n07:44.490 --> 08:11.027\n對那這樣的話也希望能夠帶動對就是還有包括就是政府我們今年提供這是提高的軍公教調薪嘛其實軍公教調薪對最低工資以上的勞工朋友的那個薪資提升會有示範效果企業會普遍加薪你比像台書企業他就加了4%我會說比較有能力的企業他就會跟進這樣子所以我們也是希望能夠呼籲企業在這方面要多善待\n\n08:12.202 --> 08:36.779\n自己的勞工其次就是包括我們立院也很幫忙中小企業條例加薪抵稅這也是一個非常好的修法今年也通過了我們是不是看這樣的政策效果這樣的實行如何我們期待從各方面都可以來努力讓所有同仁都有機會得到這邊的好處\n\n08:38.480 --> 08:54.281\n再過來想要請教就是這個中高齡工作保障從這個媒體我們最近也發現因為數位化進行碳排的這些轉型導致在之前相對資深的員工中高齡的工作權\n\n08:55.422 --> 09:15.311\n受到的影響那這一部分有沒有更有效的行政救濟措施或者是未來如何預作安排我們知道每一個公司可能都會面臨同樣的問題的時候那如何能夠有機會去預作相關的安排來減少這個事件或是類似的情形再度發生\n\n09:16.906 --> 09:39.705\n委員我們當然在這個法制面上其實現在中高齡專法對你以年齡為名的之前或者是那個我們是會罰款的所以像這個個案他就是用中高齡法去罰他他被罰了60萬這個公司所以其實是有法律政策工具那當然您講的應該是預防端那預防端\n\n09:42.347 --> 10:06.445\n確實這個包括淨零碳排、包括數位轉型這都是勞工朋友面臨的挑戰那我們在這方面也是廣泛的就是包括我們對就業訓練我們也是不停的投注資源在做各種補助然後也協助勞工朋友在這方面做技能的提升的自我訓練跟我們協助他這樣子我們也都有補助的很多\n\n10:07.866 --> 10:27.976\n對我們希望勞動朋友知道自己的權益那同時也針對於這些公司也能夠進行有效的勸導也好或者是必要的處罰也好我想很多企業可能還不知道你如果用年齡歧視來之前的話是會被罰的這個我們來加強宣導好不好是好那最後有關於這個退休後\n\n10:28.396 --> 10:46.670\n重返原聘單位的鼓勵制度這一部分其實媒體真的討論非常非常的多所以如何能夠讓借領退休的這些同仁們他要原聘也好或者是要退休以後就是續聘或者是退休以後再聘\n\n10:47.971 --> 11:13.863\n引發很多很多的討論我相信這一批退休早一定會有很多的事謝謝委員的修法勞基法54條修正以後這部分真的引起的社會的這樣的討論是非常多這也是一個好事因為大家都開始重視那很多想覺得自己還有工作能力的勞工朋友也會開始思考那我要不要跟公司來討論這件事所以當然會引起一些討論那麼我們也在嘗試從這些\n\n11:17.484 --> 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["何部長佩珊：是，對於失聯移工的醫療費用，我們現在正在試圖跟來源國協商，我們在每一個來源國的雙邊會議上都有提出這樣的議題，就是他們的失聯移工所產生的醫療費用，我們現在試圖往這個方向來處理。"],["王委員正旭：好，如果有什麼結果或什麼成效的話，也可以讓我們瞭解。"],["何部長佩珊：是，我們跟委員提供並回報。"],["王委員正旭：好，謝謝。","再過來要請教薪資提升的政策，還有中高齡勞工權益的問題，剛好今天行政院經發會也在討論改善低薪，如何能夠讓所有的青年族群得到有效的改善，另外就是教育部也要研議薪資透明化及企業內部薪資結構等等的問題。請教一下，當我們努力的在提升最低工資及最低小時工資的同時，其實我們也很關心中階的這些勞動朋友，目前還有沒有什麼樣的政策或者是有哪些相對有效的方案？雖然他們已經在這個職場裡面有一個成熟的環境，可是他看著下面這些新進同仁的工資好像越來越逼近跟他同樣，當然還是有差距啦，可是他的感受應該是會不太一樣啦。您身為我們勞動朋友的最高主管，你們這些相關人員有沒有同步的去設想這些中階勞工的這個部分，未來有哪些好的政策或是相關的政策配套可以來協助這部分的勞動朋友們？"],["何部長佩珊：委員，我們最新的，勞動部這邊就是會主動，我在報告裡面有提到，就是我們跟金管會合作，我們在上市櫃公司的ESG裡面，他們的報告書裡面，我們要求揭露非主管職的薪資狀況，我們希望透過這種揭露讓大家，尤其是有能力支付的上市櫃公司先來啦，能夠讓他們提升他們所有的、大概最低工資以上人員的薪水，我們目前是希望用薪資透明化的方式來處理，也希望這樣能夠有帶動效果。還有包括政府，我們今年提高了軍公教調薪，其實軍公教調薪對最低工資以上勞工朋友的薪資提升會有示範效果，企業會普遍加薪，比如像台塑企業就加了4%，或者比較有能力的企業就會跟進。所以我們也是希望能夠呼籲企業在這方面要多善待自己的勞工啦。其次就是包括我們立院也很幫忙，中小企業條例的加薪抵稅也是一個非常好的修法，今年也通過了，我們會看這樣的政策效果在實際上的實行是如何。"],["王委員正旭：好，我們期待從各方面都可以來努力，讓所有的同仁都有機會得到這樣的好處。"],["何部長佩珊：是。"],["王委員正旭：再過來想要請教中高齡的工作保障，因為我們最近從媒體上也發現，因為數位化、淨零碳排的這些轉型，導致之前相對資深員工、中高齡員工的工作權受到了影響，這部分有沒有更有效的行政救濟措施，或者是未來如何預作安排？當每一個公司可能都會面臨同樣問題的時候，如何能夠有機會去預作相關的安排來減少這個事件或是類似的情形再度發生？"],["何部長佩珊：委員，在法制面上，其實現在中高齡專法對以年齡為名的資遣，我們是會罰款的，像這個個案就是用中高齡法去罰他，最後這個公司被罰了60萬，所以其實是有法令政策工具的。當然，您講的應該是預防端，預防端方面，確實包括淨零碳排、包括數位轉型，這些都是勞工朋友所面臨的挑戰，我們在這方面，包括對就業訓練，我們也是不停的投注資源在做各種補助，也協助勞工朋友在這方面做技能提升的自我訓練，我們都有補助很多。"],["王委員正旭：對，我們希望勞動朋友知道自己的權益，同時針對這些公司也能夠進行有效的勸導或是必要的處罰。"],["何部長佩珊：我想很多企業可能還不知道，他如果用年齡歧視來資遣的話，是會被罰的，這個我們來加強宣導，好不好？"],["王委員正旭：好。最後有關於退休後重返原聘單位的鼓勵制度，這部分真的媒體討論的非常非常多，所以如何讓屆齡退休的同仁們延聘、續聘或是退休以後再聘，都引發很多很多的討論，我相信這一批退休潮一定還會有很多的……"],["何部長佩珊：是，謝謝委員的修法，勞基法第五十四條修正以後，這部分真的引起社會這樣的討論非常多，這也是一個好事，因為大家都開始重視，很多覺得自己還有工作能力的勞工朋友也會開始思考要不要跟公司來討論這件事，所以當然會引起一些討論。我們也在嘗試從這些個案的處理中，來看看我們有什麼更好的方法來推動修法的落實。"],["王委員正旭：好，我們很期待透過更多的討論，使這樣的美意可以真的讓所有的高齡者即使退休以後還可以重返職場，謝謝部長。"],["何部長佩珊：是，謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝王正旭委員的發言。","接下來請林淑芬委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":430,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-26-4","speakers":["黃秀芳","王育敏","陳昭姿","林月琴","陳菁徽","廖偉翔","盧縣一","王正旭","林淑芬","涂權吉","郭國文","羅智強","麥玉珍","洪孟楷","劉建國","楊曜","鍾佳濱","陳瑩","蘇清泉","邱鎮軍","楊瓊瓔"],"page_start":363,"meetingDate":["2024-10-17"],"gazette_id":"1138601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138601_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請勞動部部長就「如何提升移工問題諮詢與申訴處理效能，並重視與建立移工的社會支持系\n統」進行專題報告，並備質詢；邀請勞動部部長、行政院人事行政總處就「如何有效提升國內薪\n資水準，落實保障政府機關單位內勞工之權益」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1138601_00006"}}}