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00:04:39,810\n我們今天在這個議題上面還是做一個提醒就是說對方是有可能用這個方式來鋪位置不管是你固定式的設施或者是機動式的設施都有可能如果是機動式的設施更不希望被摸索出你部署的邏輯\n\n13\n00:04:41,711 --> 00:05:08,493\n這部分還是希望國防部再帶回去對洪委員指教的是所以現在信機管理這件事情是我們重要的一個演練的一個項目之一那確實是要讓這個你剛剛講了說他直接用推演可以推演到你的戰術位置的話那這個部分就會暴露那所以我們要提高存活力的話我們就做好我們的信機管理\n\n14\n00:05:09,213 --> 00:05:33,204\n這部分再麻煩我覺得部長再帶回去那看還有沒有什麼更強化的應處的措施那接下來部長我還想跟你再討論的事情是我們接下來會恢復一年義務役的問題那當然大家知道說恢復一年義務役的工作其實當然是強化我們整體的防衛嚇阻的力量我們再做一點推算現在大家都知道這個2005年出生以後的義男恢復一年的義務役\n\n15\n00:05:34,324 --> 00:05:45,888\n那這一批藝男在2027年的時候會滿22歲喔大概就是他們大專畢業的年紀喔那部長我們問了藝政司跟國防部他們預估這個2027年會新增3.5萬的\n\n16\n00:05:50,461 --> 00:05:52,284\n數字推算起來是這樣\n\n17\n00:06:05,455 --> 00:06:22,450\n那同時間可是我們也問了過去3年支援役軍官跟士官的結訓人數就學班跟就業班兩個加總起來的話每年結訓的平均人數也大概剛好差不多是3500人但這只能是滿足我剛才講這樣的需求\n\n18\n00:06:23,311 --> 00:06:50,125\n所以部長我們現在問題想問的是說如果光靠志願役的這個軍事官的話其實2027年恐怕是需要6500名推算起來需要6500名的捷訓的軍事官才能夠帶領現有的志願役跟新增的EWE不然就不容易發展不容易發揮戰力所以部長我這邊想問一下說其實針對目前新增的一年的EWE那\n\n19\n00:06:50,965 --> 00:07:19,370\n我們打算怎麼來補足這個基層的軍事官你才有足夠能夠帶領這些義務役的人才人力部長我們接下來怎麼做我想義務役的在在這個接受義務役的期間是一段那麼退下來以後成為後備裡面力量的一環那這個整個基層的軍事官的人力的補足這個部分的詳細的部分的事情能支持\n\n20\n00:07:20,902 --> 00:07:40,300\n委員好,我是聯誼市長。向跟委員報告,就是說目前我們每年,像以今年為例好了,113年,我們今年7月份,就是說我們不管是ROTC、官校正期班、各個班隊畢業的任少位的人數大概是3500人。\n\n21\n00:07:41,781 --> 00:07:44,102\n我再給你看下面一個資訊我們其實有找到2013年到2017年上一次EWE的資料\n\n22\n00:08:03,769 --> 00:08:29,192\n那其實義務役軍御官御士每年報考的人數其實5年大概800到8000人那這個錄取的比例是22%如果按照這個數據在推算的話2027年如果有要有3000名的義務役的御官御士如果你要用義務役的過去用義務役御官御士的話那我們其實需要有1.4萬人報考御官御士才能夠足夠\n\n23\n00:08:31,516 --> 00:08:54,757\n2013年報考人數其實是最多當時報考是有8000人那當年22歲的男性是16萬人大家都知道我們接下來少子化的問題所以2027年如果需要1.4萬人報考的話當年度22歲的男性的人數大概下降到10萬人大概\n\n24\n00:08:55,782 --> 00:08:56,262\n國防部部長\n\n25\n00:09:14,093 --> 00:09:34,302\n那我們現在打算怎麼做啊?兩個因素,我們第一個我們EWE一年增加帶領的這個EWE的人要變多第二個又遇到少子化,人又變少這兩個多重因素之下,假設我要把報考的人數從比例原本從5%喔拉到14%等於要提高3倍喔\n\n26\n00:09:35,575 --> 00:10:03,658\n跟委員報告我們會依據當時的編憲比的狀況比如說我現在後備部隊的組織編裝一直在調整換句話講我少的排長會少很多那我們會逐年地來檢討到116年御官跟御士到底要多少人我們會把缺員的部分全部把它算出來然後再去是啦照理來說這現在就可以算出來了嘛對但是我們不可能到116年才來準備這件事情嘛\n\n27\n00:10:04,673 --> 00:10:24,494\n我一定是現在就要把五年以後三年後的狀況給推算出來所以我現在在三四年前我就要做什麼樣子的準備嗎我要怎麼樣來提高吸引異難或來報考的比例我們這樣算起來是要增加三倍喔報考的比率要增加三倍\n\n28\n00:10:25,782 --> 00:10:52,663\n那我現在就要準備了,所以你不能等到那時候再算啊?沒有問題,這個數據我們都會去把它算出來然後去,最主要就是說,因為他就算116年畢業之後,並不是每個人都會來考預官他可能讀研究所,他可能到國外去讀市長,我現在的問題,我的時間快到了但我要問的事情是說,如果我們現在就能對2027年的狀況做出預估的話假設報考的比率要提高三倍\n\n29\n00:10:53,183 --> 00:11:18,955\n是那我們現在為了這提高三倍我們現在做了什麼樣子的準備跟規劃去吸引這些藝男到2027的時候願意用三倍的比例來去報考業務役的藝術藝官我現在問題是這個跟委員報告我們一個月之內跟到委員辦公室來把一個月對不對是可以把這事情來跟我們說明清楚是好不好那沒問題一個月包括數字推估清楚跟應處的作為規劃清楚好不好可以嗎是是好謝謝謝謝洪申翰\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n229\t19712\t部長請部長好 這個我們本週一的這個中國的聯合力艦2024B的這個軍演當然我想大家這幾天都討論很多但我們看到一個狀況\n21687\t44247\t在中國的一個媒體這個鳳凰衛視他刊登了一則新聞在這新聞上面他直接在地圖上面標出了我們這雄風機動發動車的部署的位置其中還寫出包括海豐四中隊甚至還有部署在淡水跟花蓮的地址然後甚至包括了經緯度\n46431\t64370\t部長你知道為什麼這個媒體可以得到這些部署位置的地址跟座標嗎?經緯度座標我想就這些我們的陣地的這個位置透過相關的位照應該就是可以取得吧\n65639\t93173\t但是我並不知道鳳凰衛視本身到底是怎麼取得的這個新聞上面是這樣寫他說這是中國的網友那他結合了包括青年日報上面的照片也包括結合民眾拍攝的照片還有網路上面的街景的照片那他去辨識出這個相關的路標海堤建築物那透過這個方式去反向去找到\n94087\t94147\t主席\n107315\t127424\t部長我想問如果中國網友就能夠做出像這樣子的地理定位的話來推算出我們國軍對於中國這個軍這次軍演的很多軍隊的部署其實這等於是暴露我們其實一些應處相關的作為部長你覺得如果中國網友就能這樣做那你覺得解放軍做不做得到\n129427\t143000\t跟委員報告我想解放軍當然可以照到我們固定的陣地位置那現在就是說最重要的是在於一旦有任何狀況的時候我們的機動的戰術的位置這個部分要讓\n144121\t144541\t用移動式或機動的方式\n172638\t191013\t這些反艦的飛彈去嚇阻但是如果在每次的演習都能夠用類似的方式去曝露出海中大隊部署的位置其實他反覆可以操作個兩三次他大概就可以摸索出你部署的模式跟邏輯\n192415\t220674\t對﹖\n221074\t245165\t委員好我是海軍參謀長那我們整個地面的一個機動雷達還有機動的飛彈的車主對他都有他的機動路線以及戰術位置的選刊是那我們在每次在做這些因應的這個反應的這些這些他的認知作戰的部分我們也會做一些必要的演練跟訓練那這些部分我們都有一個比較\n246145\t263984\t秘密的計算包含了訓擊管理就是我怎麼樣能夠減少通信跟減少暴露的程度那後面我們也會針對這個怎麼樣演訓跟演練機動路線的時候不把這一個跟作戰安全的部分要做一個調整這我們也在做一個比較必要的質疑\n264764\t279810\t我們今天在這個議題上面還是做一個提醒就是說對方是有可能用這個方式來鋪位置不管是你固定式的設施或者是機動式的設施都有可能如果是機動式的設施更不希望被摸索出你部署的邏輯\n281711\t308493\t這部分還是希望國防部再帶回去對 洪委員指教的是所以現在信機管理這件事情是我們重要的一個演練的一個項目之一那確實是要讓這個你剛剛講了說他直接用推演可以推演到你的戰術位置的話那這個部分就會暴露那所以我們要提高存活力的話我們就做好我們的信機管理\n309213\t333204\t這部分再麻煩我覺得部長再帶回去那看還有沒有什麼更強化的應處的措施那接下來部長我還想跟你再討論的事情是我們接下來會恢復一年義務役的問題那當然大家知道說恢復一年義務役的工作其實當然是強化我們整體的防衛嚇阻的力量我們再做一點推算現在大家都知道這個2005年出生以後的義男恢復一年的義務役\n334324\t345888\t那這一批藝男在2027年的時候會滿22歲喔大概就是他們大專畢業的年紀喔那部長我們問了藝政司跟國防部他們預估這個2027年會新增3.5萬的\n350461\t352284\t數字推算起來是這樣\n365455\t382450\t那同時間可是我們也問了過去3年支援役軍官跟士官的結訓人數就學班跟就業班兩個加總起來的話每年結訓的平均人數也大概剛好差不多是3500人但這只能是滿足我剛才講這樣的需求\n383311\t410125\t所以部長我們現在問題想問的是說如果光靠志願役的這個軍事官的話其實2027年恐怕是需要6500名推算起來需要6500名的捷訓的軍事官才能夠帶領現有的志願役跟新增的EWE不然就不容易發展不容易發揮戰力所以部長我這邊想問一下說其實針對目前新增的一年的EWE那\n410965\t439370\t我們打算怎麼來補足這個基層的軍事官你才有足夠能夠帶領這些義務役的人才人力部長我們接下來怎麼做我想義務役的在在這個接受義務役的期間是一段那麼退下來以後成為後備裡面力量的一環那這個整個基層的軍事官的人力的補足這個部分的詳細的部分的事情能支持\n440902\t460300\t委員好,我是聯誼市長。向跟委員報告,就是說目前我們每年,像以今年為例好了,113年,我們今年7月份,就是說我們不管是ROTC、官校正期班、各個班隊畢業的任少位的人數大概是3500人。\n461781\t464102\t我再給你看下面一個資訊我們其實有找到2013年到2017年上一次EWE的資料\n483769\t509192\t那其實義務役軍御官御士每年報考的人數其實5年大概800到8000人那這個錄取的比例是22%如果按照這個數據在推算的話2027年如果有要有3000名的義務役的御官御士如果你要用義務役的過去用義務役御官御士的話那我們其實需要有1.4萬人報考御官御士才能夠足夠\n511516\t534757\t2013年報考人數其實是最多當時報考是有8000人那當年22歲的男性是16萬人大家都知道我們接下來少子化的問題所以2027年如果需要1.4萬人報考的話當年度22歲的男性的人數大概下降到10萬人大概\n535782\t536262\t國防部部長\n554093\t574302\t那我們現在打算怎麼做啊?兩個因素,我們第一個我們EWE一年增加帶領的這個EWE的人要變多第二個又遇到少子化,人又變少這兩個多重因素之下,假設我要把報考的人數從比例原本從5%喔拉到14%等於要提高3倍喔\n575575\t603658\t跟委員報告我們會依據當時的編憲比的狀況比如說我現在後備部隊的組織編裝一直在調整換句話講我少的排長會少很多那我們會逐年地來檢討到116年御官跟御士到底要多少人我們會把缺員的部分全部把它算出來然後再去是啦照理來說這現在就可以算出來了嘛對但是我們不可能到116年才來準備這件事情嘛\n604673\t624494\t我一定是現在就要把五年以後三年後的狀況給推算出來所以我現在在三四年前我就要做什麼樣子的準備嗎我要怎麼樣來提高吸引異難或來報考的比例我們這樣算起來是要增加三倍喔報考的比率要增加三倍\n625782\t652663\t那我現在就要準備了,所以你不能等到那時候再算啊?沒有問題,這個數據我們都會去把它算出來然後去,最主要就是說,因為他就算116年畢業之後,並不是每個人都會來考預官他可能讀研究所,他可能到國外去讀市長,我現在的問題,我的時間快到了但我要問的事情是說,如果我們現在就能對2027年的狀況做出預估的話假設報考的比率要提高三倍\n653183\t678955\t是那我們現在為了這提高三倍我們現在做了什麼樣子的準備跟規劃去吸引這些藝男到2027的時候願意用三倍的比例來去報考業務役的藝術藝官我現在問題是這個跟委員報告我們一個月之內跟到委員辦公室來把一個月對不對是可以把這事情來跟我們說明清楚是好不好那沒問題一個月包括數字推估清楚跟應處的作為規劃清楚好不好可以嗎是是好謝謝謝謝洪申翰\n","txt":"部長請部長好 這個我們本週一的這個中國的聯合力艦2024B的這個軍演當然我想大家這幾天都討論很多但我們看到一個狀況\n在中國的一個媒體這個鳳凰衛視他刊登了一則新聞在這新聞上面他直接在地圖上面標出了我們這雄風機動發動車的部署的位置其中還寫出包括海豐四中隊甚至還有部署在淡水跟花蓮的地址然後甚至包括了經緯度\n部長你知道為什麼這個媒體可以得到這些部署位置的地址跟座標嗎?經緯度座標我想就這些我們的陣地的這個位置透過相關的位照應該就是可以取得吧\n但是我並不知道鳳凰衛視本身到底是怎麼取得的這個新聞上面是這樣寫他說這是中國的網友那他結合了包括青年日報上面的照片也包括結合民眾拍攝的照片還有網路上面的街景的照片那他去辨識出這個相關的路標海堤建築物那透過這個方式去反向去找到\n主席\n部長我想問如果中國網友就能夠做出像這樣子的地理定位的話來推算出我們國軍對於中國這個軍這次軍演的很多軍隊的部署其實這等於是暴露我們其實一些應處相關的作為部長你覺得如果中國網友就能這樣做那你覺得解放軍做不做得到\n跟委員報告我想解放軍當然可以照到我們固定的陣地位置那現在就是說最重要的是在於一旦有任何狀況的時候我們的機動的戰術的位置這個部分要讓\n用移動式或機動的方式\n這些反艦的飛彈去嚇阻但是如果在每次的演習都能夠用類似的方式去曝露出海中大隊部署的位置其實他反覆可以操作個兩三次他大概就可以摸索出你部署的模式跟邏輯\n對﹖\n委員好我是海軍參謀長那我們整個地面的一個機動雷達還有機動的飛彈的車主對他都有他的機動路線以及戰術位置的選刊是那我們在每次在做這些因應的這個反應的這些這些他的認知作戰的部分我們也會做一些必要的演練跟訓練那這些部分我們都有一個比較\n秘密的計算包含了訓擊管理就是我怎麼樣能夠減少通信跟減少暴露的程度那後面我們也會針對這個怎麼樣演訓跟演練機動路線的時候不把這一個跟作戰安全的部分要做一個調整這我們也在做一個比較必要的質疑\n我們今天在這個議題上面還是做一個提醒就是說對方是有可能用這個方式來鋪位置不管是你固定式的設施或者是機動式的設施都有可能如果是機動式的設施更不希望被摸索出你部署的邏輯\n這部分還是希望國防部再帶回去對 洪委員指教的是所以現在信機管理這件事情是我們重要的一個演練的一個項目之一那確實是要讓這個你剛剛講了說他直接用推演可以推演到你的戰術位置的話那這個部分就會暴露那所以我們要提高存活力的話我們就做好我們的信機管理\n這部分再麻煩我覺得部長再帶回去那看還有沒有什麼更強化的應處的措施那接下來部長我還想跟你再討論的事情是我們接下來會恢復一年義務役的問題那當然大家知道說恢復一年義務役的工作其實當然是強化我們整體的防衛嚇阻的力量我們再做一點推算現在大家都知道這個2005年出生以後的義男恢復一年的義務役\n那這一批藝男在2027年的時候會滿22歲喔大概就是他們大專畢業的年紀喔那部長我們問了藝政司跟國防部他們預估這個2027年會新增3.5萬的\n數字推算起來是這樣\n那同時間可是我們也問了過去3年支援役軍官跟士官的結訓人數就學班跟就業班兩個加總起來的話每年結訓的平均人數也大概剛好差不多是3500人但這只能是滿足我剛才講這樣的需求\n所以部長我們現在問題想問的是說如果光靠志願役的這個軍事官的話其實2027年恐怕是需要6500名推算起來需要6500名的捷訓的軍事官才能夠帶領現有的志願役跟新增的EWE不然就不容易發展不容易發揮戰力所以部長我這邊想問一下說其實針對目前新增的一年的EWE那\n我們打算怎麼來補足這個基層的軍事官你才有足夠能夠帶領這些義務役的人才人力部長我們接下來怎麼做我想義務役的在在這個接受義務役的期間是一段那麼退下來以後成為後備裡面力量的一環那這個整個基層的軍事官的人力的補足這個部分的詳細的部分的事情能支持\n委員好,我是聯誼市長。向跟委員報告,就是說目前我們每年,像以今年為例好了,113年,我們今年7月份,就是說我們不管是ROTC、官校正期班、各個班隊畢業的任少位的人數大概是3500人。\n我再給你看下面一個資訊我們其實有找到2013年到2017年上一次EWE的資料\n那其實義務役軍御官御士每年報考的人數其實5年大概800到8000人那這個錄取的比例是22%如果按照這個數據在推算的話2027年如果有要有3000名的義務役的御官御士如果你要用義務役的過去用義務役御官御士的話那我們其實需要有1.4萬人報考御官御士才能夠足夠\n2013年報考人數其實是最多當時報考是有8000人那當年22歲的男性是16萬人大家都知道我們接下來少子化的問題所以2027年如果需要1.4萬人報考的話當年度22歲的男性的人數大概下降到10萬人大概\n國防部部長\n那我們現在打算怎麼做啊?兩個因素,我們第一個我們EWE一年增加帶領的這個EWE的人要變多第二個又遇到少子化,人又變少這兩個多重因素之下,假設我要把報考的人數從比例原本從5%喔拉到14%等於要提高3倍喔\n跟委員報告我們會依據當時的編憲比的狀況比如說我現在後備部隊的組織編裝一直在調整換句話講我少的排長會少很多那我們會逐年地來檢討到116年御官跟御士到底要多少人我們會把缺員的部分全部把它算出來然後再去是啦照理來說這現在就可以算出來了嘛對但是我們不可能到116年才來準備這件事情嘛\n我一定是現在就要把五年以後三年後的狀況給推算出來所以我現在在三四年前我就要做什麼樣子的準備嗎我要怎麼樣來提高吸引異難或來報考的比例我們這樣算起來是要增加三倍喔報考的比率要增加三倍\n那我現在就要準備了,所以你不能等到那時候再算啊?沒有問題,這個數據我們都會去把它算出來然後去,最主要就是說,因為他就算116年畢業之後,並不是每個人都會來考預官他可能讀研究所,他可能到國外去讀市長,我現在的問題,我的時間快到了但我要問的事情是說,如果我們現在就能對2027年的狀況做出預估的話假設報考的比率要提高三倍\n是那我們現在為了這提高三倍我們現在做了什麼樣子的準備跟規劃去吸引這些藝男到2027的時候願意用三倍的比例來去報考業務役的藝術藝官我現在問題是這個跟委員報告我們一個月之內跟到委員辦公室來把一個月對不對是可以把這事情來跟我們說明清楚是好不好那沒問題一個月包括數字推估清楚跟應處的作為規劃清楚好不好可以嗎是是好謝謝謝謝洪申翰\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.229 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04:23.984\n秘密的計算包含了訓擊管理就是我怎麼樣能夠減少通信跟減少暴露的程度那後面我們也會針對這個怎麼樣演訓跟演練機動路線的時候不把這一個跟作戰安全的部分要做一個調整這我們也在做一個比較必要的質疑\n\n04:24.764 --> 04:39.810\n我們今天在這個議題上面還是做一個提醒就是說對方是有可能用這個方式來鋪位置不管是你固定式的設施或者是機動式的設施都有可能如果是機動式的設施更不希望被摸索出你部署的邏輯\n\n04:41.711 --> 05:08.493\n這部分還是希望國防部再帶回去對洪委員指教的是所以現在信機管理這件事情是我們重要的一個演練的一個項目之一那確實是要讓這個你剛剛講了說他直接用推演可以推演到你的戰術位置的話那這個部分就會暴露那所以我們要提高存活力的話我們就做好我們的信機管理\n\n05:09.213 --> 05:33.204\n這部分再麻煩我覺得部長再帶回去那看還有沒有什麼更強化的應處的措施那接下來部長我還想跟你再討論的事情是我們接下來會恢復一年義務役的問題那當然大家知道說恢復一年義務役的工作其實當然是強化我們整體的防衛嚇阻的力量我們再做一點推算現在大家都知道這個2005年出生以後的義男恢復一年的義務役\n\n05:34.324 --> 05:45.888\n那這一批藝男在2027年的時候會滿22歲喔大概就是他們大專畢業的年紀喔那部長我們問了藝政司跟國防部他們預估這個2027年會新增3.5萬的\n\n05:50.461 --> 05:52.284\n數字推算起來是這樣\n\n06:05.455 --> 06:22.450\n那同時間可是我們也問了過去3年支援役軍官跟士官的結訓人數就學班跟就業班兩個加總起來的話每年結訓的平均人數也大概剛好差不多是3500人但這只能是滿足我剛才講這樣的需求\n\n06:23.311 --> 06:50.125\n所以部長我們現在問題想問的是說如果光靠志願役的這個軍事官的話其實2027年恐怕是需要6500名推算起來需要6500名的捷訓的軍事官才能夠帶領現有的志願役跟新增的EWE不然就不容易發展不容易發揮戰力所以部長我這邊想問一下說其實針對目前新增的一年的EWE那\n\n06:50.965 --> 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設我要把報考的比率從原本的5%拉到14%，等於要提高3倍。"],["劉次長沛智：跟委員報告，我們會依據當時編現比的狀況，比如說，現在後備部隊的組織編裝一直在調整，換句話講，我的排長會少很多，那我們會逐年來檢討到116年預官跟預士到底要多少人，我們會把缺員的部分全部算出來，然後再去……"],["洪委員申翰：次長，照理來說，這現在就可以算出來了嘛！"],["劉次長沛智：對，但是……"],["洪委員申翰：我們不可能到116年才來準備這件事情，我一定是現在就要把5年後、3年後的狀況給推算出來，所以我現在也就是在三、四年前就要做什麼樣子的準備嘛！我要怎麼樣來吸引役男以提高報考的比率，我們這樣算起來是要增加3倍，就是報考的比率要增加3倍。"],["劉次長沛智：是。"],["洪委員申翰：那我現在就要準備了，你不能等到那時候再算啊！"],["劉次長沛智：報告委員，沒有問題，我們都會去把這個數據算出來，最主要是就算他們在116年畢業之後，並不是每個人都會來考預官，可能讀研究所，可能到國外去讀，有很多很多因素。"],["洪委員申翰：次長，我的時間快到了，我要問的事情是，如果我們現在就能對2027年的狀況做出預估的話，假設報考的比率要提高3倍，我們現在為了提高3倍，做了什麼樣的準備跟規劃去吸引這些役男，讓他們到2027年的時候願意達到3倍的比率去報考義務役的預士、預官？我現在要問的問題是這個。"],["劉次長沛智：跟委員報告，我們一個月之內到委員辦公室把這個事情報告清楚。"],["洪委員申翰：一個月對不對？把這個事情跟我們說明清楚，好不好？"],["劉次長沛智：沒問題。"],["洪委員申翰：一個月，包括數字要推估清楚，還有應處的作為要規劃清楚，可以嗎？"],["劉次長沛智：可以。"],["洪委員申翰：好，謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝洪申翰委員，部長、各位請回。","接下來進行詢答的委員是林憶君委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":62,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-35-5","speakers":["王定宇","陳永康","羅美玲","黃仁","徐巧芯","沈伯洋","林楚茵","洪申翰","林憶君","陳冠廷","賴士葆","林岱樺","鍾佳濱","馬文君","洪孟楷","牛煦庭","楊瓊瓔","陳培瑜","徐富癸","麥玉珍","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","劉建國"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-10-17"],"gazette_id":"1138601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138601_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1138601_00001"}}}