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00:01:05,910\n這個戰鬥各裝開放的自行選購其實一直是國軍官兵的心聲上個會期本席也是多次的質詢就是希望能夠替我們國軍官兵爭取開放各裝的自購甚至我們國內有某些單位也有\n\n4\n00:01:22,958 --> 00:01:23,598\n請問部長你清楚美軍的各裝制購的規定嗎?\n\n5\n00:01:52,019 --> 00:02:00,165\n我到美國國會外交的時候曾經詢問過美軍的現役的官兵他們的做法就是像抗彈板跟抗彈頭盔這樣攸關士兵生命安全的裝備都是要公發的\n\n6\n00:02:19,238 --> 00:02:21,378\n現在就是說我們就防護頭盔、抗彈板跟戰鬥背心這三項\n\n7\n00:02:48,524 --> 00:02:52,788\n這三項是屬於安全防禦而且是重複使用的安全防禦品項就這個部分是不開放自購的\n\n8\n00:03:08,903 --> 00:03:26,928\n那其他的這個部分呢包括有一些因為上次開會的時候也有討論到我想詳細的這個就是個別的品項的部分是不是後持?好先我先講一下就是國軍功發其實也不是不好啦我剛剛講的情況也不是不好就像部長說的嘛有的是可以有的是不行嘛但是像我們軍備局做的T-91步槍這個大家都是覺得非常優秀的軍品啊但自製的裝備的缺點\n\n9\n00:03:37,571 --> 00:03:37,631\n李慧琼議員\n\n10\n00:03:54,972 --> 00:03:55,573\n國防部長顧立雄報告業務概況．並備質詢。．並備質詢。\n\n11\n00:04:10,574 --> 00:04:39,974\n跟委員回覆一下謝謝委員的指導基本上剛剛部長提到那三項裝備跟美軍我們都follow他一樣的一定要經過安全的測試跟合格的標準之後由公發這部分來發這跟美軍是一模一樣那其他的我們有其他裝備不同的部隊有不同的選項那現在我們已經有列入15項的裝備可以在福利站跟官兵來購買這也是委員的期待\n\n12\n00:04:45,217 --> 00:05:09,169\n還有一點想要提醒一下的就是說像海軍左營站的有很多不錯的品項讓官軍可以放購但是有時候會不小心採購到中國的品牌因為我發現像現在有一個原本是法國品牌經典的軍靴的品牌但是在2019年的時候已經被中國的特部國際收購\n\n13\n00:05:10,149 --> 00:05:33,334\n所以之後是不是要注意一下不要去選到中國的品牌還有其實當然我剛才講這個不是責怪海軍的意思因為我覺得他們很努力的幫官兵在開發新的品項其實這是非常值得鼓勵的相對以來陸軍這方面真的要加油再幫官兵要換一些新換購一些比較新的可能要跟海軍一下學習然後請部長回去關心一下陸軍官兵的福利好嗎\n\n14\n00:05:39,987 --> 00:05:51,016\n福利站裏面他們所承受的這些官兵可以自購的這些品項的東西我們一定在嚴格的在審視一下他們的標準不要有紅色產牌\n\n15\n00:05:56,970 --> 00:06:08,074\n有關我們跟美國採購66架F16的問題,究竟今年底之前是不是就會開始交機,然後會交給台灣多少架呢?\n\n16\n00:06:10,128 --> 00:06:11,650\n所以還不曉得說有多少架今年會交機嗎?\n\n17\n00:06:27,327 --> 00:06:39,061\n今年的話按照我們的期盼就是說他有一架會出來然後之後這一個測試沒有問題之後他現在事實上這個組裝線上面也加開這個產線然後來進行加快這個組裝的這個這個這個\n\n18\n00:06:47,537 --> 00:06:47,757\n發言委員：林憶君\n\n19\n00:07:12,216 --> 00:07:19,985\n那要是否表示我們在2026年底前除了漢翔公司做完性能提升的141架F16之外再加上新造的66架那等於未來台灣就擁有205架的F16戰機呢?\n\n20\n00:07:30,912 --> 00:07:46,159\n根據這個數量來表示未來台灣將會除了美國之外F16是數量最多的國家那未來我們F16機隊就是有完整的防空自海還有打擊的能力會是我們台海防衛作戰最重要的主力戰機對吧是\n\n21\n00:07:48,629 --> 00:07:48,669\n主席\n\n22\n00:08:08,007 --> 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部長你知道我們國軍官兵給你取了一個綽號你知道是什麼嗎你不曉得喔我不知道\n他們都叫你福利雄是那個綽號從某方面來講其實是肯定你對軍中的福利制度的改革所以今天本席想要跟部長討論一下我們不需要花太多錢但絕對可以讓官兵很有感的福利的改革部長你知道現在歐美等很多先進的國家的軍隊他們的士兵的戰鬥各裝都是可以自行選購的嗎\n這個戰鬥各裝開放的自行選購其實一直是國軍官兵的心聲上個會期本席也是多次的質詢就是希望能夠替我們國軍官兵爭取開放各裝的自購甚至我們國內有某些單位也有\n請問部長你清楚美軍的各裝制購的規定嗎?\n我到美國國會外交的時候曾經詢問過美軍的現役的官兵他們的做法就是像抗彈板跟抗彈頭盔這樣攸關士兵生命安全的裝備都是要公發的\n現在就是說我們就防護頭盔、抗彈板跟戰鬥背心這三項\n這三項是屬於安全防禦而且是重複使用的安全防禦品項就這個部分是不開放自購的\n那其他的這個部分呢包括有一些因為上次開會的時候也有討論到我想詳細的這個就是個別的品項的部分是不是後持?好先我先講一下就是國軍功發其實也不是不好啦我剛剛講的情況也不是不好就像部長說的嘛有的是可以有的是不行嘛但是像我們軍備局做的T-91步槍這個大家都是覺得非常優秀的軍品啊但自製的裝備的缺點\n李慧琼議員\n國防部長顧立雄報告業務概況．並備質詢。．並備質詢。\n跟委員回覆一下謝謝委員的指導基本上剛剛部長提到那三項裝備跟美軍我們都follow他一樣的一定要經過安全的測試跟合格的標準之後由公發這部分來發這跟美軍是一模一樣那其他的我們有其他裝備不同的部隊有不同的選項那現在我們已經有列入15項的裝備可以在福利站跟官兵來購買這也是委員的期待\n還有一點想要提醒一下的就是說像海軍左營站的有很多不錯的品項讓官軍可以放購但是有時候會不小心採購到中國的品牌因為我發現像現在有一個原本是法國品牌經典的軍靴的品牌但是在2019年的時候已經被中國的特部國際收購\n所以之後是不是要注意一下不要去選到中國的品牌還有其實當然我剛才講這個不是責怪海軍的意思因為我覺得他們很努力的幫官兵在開發新的品項其實這是非常值得鼓勵的相對以來陸軍這方面真的要加油再幫官兵要換一些新換購一些比較新的可能要跟海軍一下學習然後請部長回去關心一下陸軍官兵的福利好嗎\n福利站裏面他們所承受的這些官兵可以自購的這些品項的東西我們一定在嚴格的在審視一下他們的標準不要有紅色產牌\n有關我們跟美國採購66架F16的問題,究竟今年底之前是不是就會開始交機,然後會交給台灣多少架呢?\n所以還不曉得說有多少架今年會交機嗎?\n今年的話按照我們的期盼就是說他有一架會出來然後之後這一個測試沒有問題之後他現在事實上這個組裝線上面也加開這個產線然後來進行加快這個組裝的這個這個這個\n發言委員：林憶君\n那要是否表示我們在2026年底前除了漢翔公司做完性能提升的141架F16之外再加上新造的66架那等於未來台灣就擁有205架的F16戰機呢?\n根據這個數量來表示未來台灣將會除了美國之外F16是數量最多的國家那未來我們F16機隊就是有完整的防空自海還有打擊的能力會是我們台海防衛作戰最重要的主力戰機對吧是\n主席\n依照部班的座艙比的話,飛機座艙與飛行人員的比例,1.5的標準來算,可能未來還要多出114位飛行人員的需求,這樣算應該是沒有問題吧?\n是,所以我們現在已經依照我們現在要接裝的這個需求已經進行了相關的這個編組的調整然後飛行員的這個訓練都有預先規劃,所以應該是沒有問題的\n所以部長的意思是說除了飛行員之外部長也知道所謂空戰出英雄地面一半工所以機工啊航管啊彈藥啊等等地面需要的人力請問空軍有沒有算過未來我們第7年對換裝F16會產生多少人力的需求然後未來這些人力有沒有辦法滿足呢\n謝謝委員的關心：空軍參謀長向您報告扣除花蓮跟現有的嘉義基地現有的以外第三個臺東我們區分了三個階段在去年底還有明年跟後年分三個階段都有妥勝的規劃在這邊向委員報告\n也就是說它分成三階段就這個整個的聯隊所需要的相關的這些飛行員還有這些後勤的地面後勤維修這些能力都已經做好相關的規劃這樣子這應該是就這個飛行員的部分應該還有後勤維保的部分應該的能力部分應該是沒有問題都預先已經規劃了\n現在如果說沒有問題的話其實我們台灣的戰鬥機數量非常多而且甚至比日本還多所以還是建議部長在規劃下一代的戰機的時候能夠用更少的人力來達到更高的目標因為我們可以把節省下來的人力成本\n謝謝 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