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00:00:59,396\n我們透過幫他聆聽他的問題然後透過專人輔導那麼希望能夠移工他減緩在這裡社會適應上的各種狀況那我想這方面應該是有正面的啦是\n\n4\n00:01:00,770 --> 00:01:20,804\n對,大家都正面才要設這個專線嘛沒有正面就不用設了嘛但是實質的幫助就是有限不是只有數據我的意思不是只有數據說我們有多少人有在求救多少所以如果是這個專線有效又可以幫忙的話為什麼失聯移工那麼多\n\n5\n00:01:24,708 --> 00:01:52,326\n我們如何解決失言移工還有如何去幫助他們這個部分我們比較關心的因為每一個人來臺灣工作都希望穩定工作嘛不想要失聯但是為什麼會造成失聯我們有輔導專線也有勞動部也有各個縣市勞工局都有協助為什麼他們還是溝通不良還是為什麼還要去\n\n6\n00:01:53,748 --> 00:01:58,409\n沒辦法求救才會選擇離開自己的工作崗位\n\n7\n00:02:01,914 --> 00:02:21,123\n1955的功能當然跟失聯移工可能是兩個議題當然兩個議題因為他有1995來去保護、來去質詢、來去幫助所以他就跟僱主可以溝通就不會導致他離開所以說他離開了所以我們要怎麼樣說\n\n8\n00:02:25,205 --> 00:02:27,386\n請勞動部部長：立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1屆第2會期社會福利及勞動部部長．落實保障政府機關單位內勞工之權益\n\n9\n00:02:49,133 --> 00:03:00,300\n逃跑才失聯我的目的是要問這個失聯移工的原因有很多當然可能經濟因素是裡面最主要的一項就是他認為他賺的錢不夠\n\n10\n00:03:02,581 --> 00:03:19,835\n然後他覺得這裡的工作不如他想的賺那麼多錢這好像是一個最主要的原因之一就想跟實際上他們的生活有沒有達到尤其你看在疫情期間失聯的比例特別高就是因為外面的需求大\n\n11\n00:03:20,836 --> 00:03:37,657\n移工又進不來,外面薪資誘因提高,導致失聯誘因增加。還有委員,再加上剛剛羅委員也有講到集團化、幫派化的問題,甚至是同鄉\n\n12\n00:03:38,979 --> 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