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00:00:38,856\n委員好部長好這個部長我本期是比較關心這個動保法的修正因為在今年5月的時候那時候我在質詢的時候我就說這個動保法的修正案預告已經一年了那希望說我們把動保法早一點送到這個立法院來做審議\n\n3\n00:00:40,219 --> 00:01:03,273\n然後在今年6月總諮詢的時候那我也問了這個行政院長當時您站在這個院長的旁邊那我也希望說這個趕快把動保法送到立法院的審議然後呢您當時是比較持肯定的態度就是說今年會送到這個立法院做審議那所以呢這個是在6月11號的\n\n4\n00:01:04,594 --> 00:01:23,447\n但是到目前為止好像農業部都還是在預告本席有兩個法案一個是寵物食品安全管理法這已經復委了9月2日已經復委了一個是經濟委員會做審查然後動保法修正案在明天也會排入院會的報告事項\n\n5\n00:01:24,628 --> 00:01:34,523\n除了我之外其實還有很多委員都很關心動保法的修正案那就請教一下部長現在我們的動保法還在預告修正期嗎從2023年的4月28號開始預告要修正了\n\n6\n00:01:40,712 --> 00:01:40,972\n我跟委員報告\n\n7\n00:01:55,580 --> 00:02:21,212\n有共識的我們先納入這次的修法如果沒有共識的我們先擱著然後我們現在已經送到行政院在審議當中了那行政院如果審議通過的時候就會送到立法院來所以會在年底之前我們的目標就是年底之前會送到立法院來年底之前沒剩多久現在已經10月中旬了我們現在已經送到行政院在做法條的審議了\n\n8\n00:02:22,893 --> 00:02:48,447\n那行政院一旦審議通過以後我們就會送到立法院來就會送到立法院來所以已經在布裡面已經送出去了所以你沒有跳票對不對因為那時候六月問你的時候你說今年會送到立法院對所以現在在行政院在行政院的我們已經送出去了對那所以今年能夠送來嗎對我們希望我們也會再跟行政院寫條說儘管能夠列入優先法案至少今年先送過來雖然說在審預算當然也不知道有沒有預算可以審但是你們還是要\n\n9\n00:02:50,408 --> 00:03:00,212\n按照當時的承諾,送過來這是動保法那這個有關寵物食品安全管理法的部分這個你們是9月5號開始預告大概是預告會多久?\n\n10\n00:03:06,150 --> 00:03:20,537\n預告是60天喔因為當初我在立法院承諾的時候就是本來我們的寵物食品法是在動保法裡面的的一個章節對但是那個章節可能沒有辦法涵蓋到我們想要的管理的作為所以我們後來拉成專法\n\n11\n00:03:21,437 --> 00:03:43,334\n那專法裡面會從它的原料開始到它的製程到它後面的上市的部分都有一定的查核跟管制的作為那這樣的話會比較完善所以我們預告60天以後我相信也會接到不同各界的意見所以我們也會針對意見的部分來做一些調整以後然後再送到行政院去\n\n12\n00:03:43,973 --> 00:03:54,280\n那如果按照時程來講的話預告60天2個月那這個預告結束已經是11月的事情了然後你們還要再整理再送到行政院\n\n13\n00:03:55,657 --> 00:04:18,754\n我想我們在動保法已經有一個遊戲規則就是有共識的我們先處理不要再去溝通因為溝通可能一溝通又是每一條的溝通可能有好幾個月所以有共識的我們就先修先去處理完了以後送行政院那這個時候我相信會比較有共識啦能夠盡快的在這個會期那如果按照這樣的話這個重複食品安全管理法\n\n14\n00:04:19,594 --> 00:04:42,276\n對,我們也是如期我們的當初的一個承諾就是會做這樣子。我問你就是說那現在動保法遇到修法上面會比較大的困難點在哪裡?動保法是不是?動保法其實比較有一點點的爭議的就是我們賦予動保檢查人員的一個就是必要的時候能夠進到私領域的這個部分。\n\n15\n00:04:42,856 --> 00:05:05,082\n那有一些外界的聲音就會認為就是說他已經被准司法的這種警察的一個權利了那在我們部裡面的這個修正法案裡面他是可以進去的對私領域的部分但是我們也不是亂闖民宅啦就是我們還是會根據特別是有一些比較比較比較違法的這種誓言或什麼的時候我們\n\n16\n00:05:05,922 --> 00:05:28,510\n以前都是在門口他不開門我們也進不去一定要找警察嘛那現在其實我們跟警察有很好的合作那我們也希望說能夠讓這個法律通過以後然後相對的針對這些動保警察人員能夠在某個條件之下能夠進到私領域的話那對於以後的這種稽查非法的他是動保警察嗎\n\n17\n00:05:29,150 --> 00:05:41,395\n他不是動保檢查,他是動保檢查員,所以他只是去查核而已,而不是去執行所謂的司法。對,我說有一些情況之下能夠進去,這樣的話對於我們的稽查的效率會比較高一點。\n\n18\n00:05:48,929 --> 00:06:08,674\n這個我們還在透過協商,那從法治的角度,就是他不會去干涉到司法警察的原來的權限但是我想我們還會跟外界做持續的溝通,因為這個牽涉到所謂的人權的問題所以我們會盡最大的努力去做溝通這就是當然是人權跟動物權,橫頻的一個問題\n\n19\n00:06:11,115 --> 00:06:11,235\n李坤城議員\n\n20\n00:06:28,438 --> 00:06:56,383\n這個修法就會遇到這個難題那我也希望說在這部分的話看你們怎麼去做處理在某些條件之下這個我想我們會有一些前提的設計因為我看你們的修正條文裡面是有把這一部分擺進去基本上我是支持的那比較重要的是強化事主的責任我覺得這個非常重要現在很多寵物本身特別是寵物的部分會變成流浪犬的部分就是事主本身的一個責任\n\n21\n00:06:57,343 --> 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--> 00:01.148\n請李坤城委員質詢請陳部長\n\n00:19.806 --> 00:38.856\n委員好部長好這個部長我本期是比較關心這個動保法的修正因為在今年5月的時候那時候我在質詢的時候我就說這個動保法的修正案預告已經一年了那希望說我們把動保法早一點送到這個立法院來做審議\n\n00:40.219 --> 01:03.273\n然後在今年6月總諮詢的時候那我也問了這個行政院長當時您站在這個院長的旁邊那我也希望說這個趕快把動保法送到立法院的審議然後呢您當時是比較持肯定的態度就是說今年會送到這個立法院做審議那所以呢這個是在6月11號的\n\n01:04.594 --> 01:23.447\n但是到目前為止好像農業部都還是在預告本席有兩個法案一個是寵物食品安全管理法這已經復委了9月2日已經復委了一個是經濟委員會做審查然後動保法修正案在明天也會排入院會的報告事項\n\n01:24.628 --> 01:34.523\n除了我之外其實還有很多委員都很關心動保法的修正案那就請教一下部長現在我們的動保法還在預告修正期嗎從2023年的4月28號開始預告要修正了\n\n01:40.712 --> 01:40.972\n我跟委員報告\n\n01:55.580 --> 02:21.212\n有共識的我們先納入這次的修法如果沒有共識的我們先擱著然後我們現在已經送到行政院在審議當中了那行政院如果審議通過的時候就會送到立法院來所以會在年底之前我們的目標就是年底之前會送到立法院來年底之前沒剩多久現在已經10月中旬了我們現在已經送到行政院在做法條的審議了\n\n02:22.893 --> 02:48.447\n那行政院一旦審議通過以後我們就會送到立法院來就會送到立法院來所以已經在布裡面已經送出去了所以你沒有跳票對不對因為那時候六月問你的時候你說今年會送到立法院對所以現在在行政院在行政院的我們已經送出去了對那所以今年能夠送來嗎對我們希望我們也會再跟行政院寫條說儘管能夠列入優先法案至少今年先送過來雖然說在審預算當然也不知道有沒有預算可以審但是你們還是要\n\n02:50.408 --> 03:00.212\n按照當時的承諾,送過來這是動保法那這個有關寵物食品安全管理法的部分這個你們是9月5號開始預告大概是預告會多久?\n\n03:06.150 --> 03:20.537\n預告是60天喔因為當初我在立法院承諾的時候就是本來我們的寵物食品法是在動保法裡面的的一個章節對但是那個章節可能沒有辦法涵蓋到我們想要的管理的作為所以我們後來拉成專法\n\n03:21.437 --> 03:43.334\n那專法裡面會從它的原料開始到它的製程到它後面的上市的部分都有一定的查核跟管制的作為那這樣的話會比較完善所以我們預告60天以後我相信也會接到不同各界的意見所以我們也會針對意見的部分來做一些調整以後然後再送到行政院去\n\n03:43.973 --> 03:54.280\n那如果按照時程來講的話預告60天2個月那這個預告結束已經是11月的事情了然後你們還要再整理再送到行政院\n\n03:55.657 --> 04:18.754\n我想我們在動保法已經有一個遊戲規則就是有共識的我們先處理不要再去溝通因為溝通可能一溝通又是每一條的溝通可能有好幾個月所以有共識的我們就先修先去處理完了以後送行政院那這個時候我相信會比較有共識啦能夠盡快的在這個會期那如果按照這樣的話這個重複食品安全管理法\n\n04:19.594 --> 04:42.276\n對,我們也是如期我們的當初的一個承諾就是會做這樣子。我問你就是說那現在動保法遇到修法上面會比較大的困難點在哪裡?動保法是不是?動保法其實比較有一點點的爭議的就是我們賦予動保檢查人員的一個就是必要的時候能夠進到私領域的這個部分。\n\n04:42.856 --> 05:05.082\n那有一些外界的聲音就會認為就是說他已經被准司法的這種警察的一個權利了那在我們部裡面的這個修正法案裡面他是可以進去的對私領域的部分但是我們也不是亂闖民宅啦就是我們還是會根據特別是有一些比較比較比較違法的這種誓言或什麼的時候我們\n\n05:05.922 --> 05:28.510\n以前都是在門口他不開門我們也進不去一定要找警察嘛那現在其實我們跟警察有很好的合作那我們也希望說能夠讓這個法律通過以後然後相對的針對這些動保警察人員能夠在某個條件之下能夠進到私領域的話那對於以後的這種稽查非法的他是動保警察嗎\n\n05:29.150 --> 05:41.395\n他不是動保檢查,他是動保檢查員,所以他只是去查核而已,而不是去執行所謂的司法。對,我說有一些情況之下能夠進去,這樣的話對於我們的稽查的效率會比較高一點。\n\n05:48.929 --> 06:08.674\n這個我們還在透過協商,那從法治的角度,就是他不會去干涉到司法警察的原來的權限但是我想我們還會跟外界做持續的溝通,因為這個牽涉到所謂的人權的問題所以我們會盡最大的努力去做溝通這就是當然是人權跟動物權,橫頻的一個問題\n\n06:11.115 --> 06:11.235\n李坤城議員\n\n06:28.438 --> 06:56.383\n這個修法就會遇到這個難題那我也希望說在這部分的話看你們怎麼去做處理在某些條件之下這個我想我們會有一些前提的設計因為我看你們的修正條文裡面是有把這一部分擺進去基本上我是支持的那比較重要的是強化事主的責任我覺得這個非常重要現在很多寵物本身特別是寵物的部分會變成流浪犬的部分就是事主本身的一個責任\n\n06:57.343 --> 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