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00:03:38,163\n為什麼我們政府要推新清安為什麼要推社會住宅其實有一個安定的家我想這是非常重要的那像部長其實以你的資歷還有你的資產要購屋我想輕而易舉可是目前的房價真的非常貴所以官兵弟兄如果要安置家人安心工作真的是非常的辛苦所以本席辦公室也常常接到軍人陳情要調動的服務在我們的\n\n10\n00:03:41,145 --> 00:03:56,816\n陳情的案件比例上面是非常高的就是他想要調回自己的老家或者自己的故鄉因為父母還有子女老婆先生其實都是在那裡那這樣子的一個陳情調動這麼高的情況之下其實可以顯見在這個部分的需求在過去其實本席也曾經建議過其實我們應該運用我們現有的這些資產土地\n\n11\n00:04:08,504 --> 00:04:08,564\n部長怎麼看?\n\n12\n00:04:34,518 --> 00:04:50,107\n政策上是支持委員的講法,細節上稍微說明,簡單說明一下跟委員報告,那個植物宿舍我們會依照委員的一個指導,就是說針對這種生活機能好的部分我們會全力來爭取蓋這個植物宿舍,以上報告\n\n13\n00:04:50,787 --> 00:05:01,135\n因為我們剛剛提到了就是說你明明有土地那我們的銀產基金其實也都還有預算你在新南專案計畫在116年就要結束了我們希望可以儘速的去做一個通盤的一個檢討那因為美軍可以成為世界戰力強的部隊他除了他的武器精良薪水很高以外很重要的就是他的福利非常好\n\n14\n00:05:16,806 --> 00:05:16,846\n﹚馬文君﹚\n\n15\n00:05:36,790 --> 00:05:37,010\n：馬文君\n\n16\n00:06:03,371 --> 00:06:26,143\n新建這個植物觀色我想其實是一個還不錯的一個誘因因為我們有地有錢然後又有需求那現在至少都有4000人排著在等所以就看我們有沒有心那就這個部分剛剛已經提到說要做檢討在這個部分是不是可以提出近期可以提出書面的說明報告\n\n17\n00:06:27,727 --> 00:06:38,983\n應該可以吧在兩週之內跟委員來做一個報告好謝謝那另外部長也利用一點時間在這裡探討就是最近可能社會上紛紛擾擾大家非常關注\n\n18\n00:06:42,527 --> 00:06:52,673\n然後也很疑慮的一個部分在中東地區他持續爆發以哈戰爭的過程當中5月份曾經發生以色列對加薩醫院醫療設施進行攻擊而且還阻止病患他轉院的這個事件這個事件也引起當時正在瑞士日內瓦世衛大會上面超過至少30個國家共同譴責以色列\n\n19\n00:07:10,043 --> 00:07:17,105\n那以色列為什麼會被這些參加世衛大會的國家在會中譴責然後為什麼要攻擊加薩醫院相信他也有做出他的一個理由說明那以哈衝突大概8個月的時間加薩地區的醫院不斷的成為以軍傾角哈馬斯的一個重要目標那以色列的說法他當然是說醫院他裡面有很多地下恐怖組織\n\n20\n00:07:38,772 --> 00:07:42,373\n的成員哈馬斯的藏身處還有是軍火庫所以就這個部分他的作戰原因他雖然是這麼說可是還是受到世界各國的一個譴責那部長我想要請教一下就是我們後備指揮部所屬的單位至少到6月份開始也要求轄區的公廟簽訂了那個\n\n21\n00:08:03,658 --> 00:08:03,918\n：馬文君\n\n22\n00:08:24,023 --> 00:08:46,830\n這只是程序演練沒有進行真正的演練可是這個部分如果簽了你平時當然不會有什麼影響可是大家想到的是現在你整體的氛圍還有周邊的一個區域緊張的一個態勢可能就會增加大家的一個負擔跟疑慮那就這個部分因為你簽了在暫時其實它就是國軍的彈藥屯點玉屯點對不對\n\n23\n00:08:50,326 --> 00:09:09,365\n跟委員報告他這個志願的協定不一定是御屯彈藥這樣子的一個志願協定你上面就是寫要御屯彈藥阿你們上面在詢問的時候是御屯彈藥阿我們現在律定的就是說我們要去做一些設施調查跟動員邊管的一些地點阿\n\n24\n00:09:10,026 --> 00:09:10,146\n部長部長\n\n25\n00:09:28,106 --> 00:09:30,889\n因為您是法律人,你剛剛有提到了說就我們國內的法律還有國際法上面我們去遵循,國際法上面其實他很清楚的有提到說,國際法明定的宗教信仰場所不可以作為軍事用途\n\n26\n00:09:46,583 --> 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各位請回應\n","txt":"謝謝主席麻煩請部長來部長請我們待會部長在馬文君委員詢答結束要參加總統府軍團的就由代理人出席謝謝部長午安過去國軍有依國防組織跟兵力結構調整的政策就是依照營區整併還有三軍共住的原則有討論過\n就是沒有運用計畫的營地列為空置營地來管理維護那還有一個部分就是老舊眷村拆除騰空以後他改列為空置的眷地維管的部分相關的空置營眷地曾經高達一萬多筆而且面積達到了一千多公頃\n那這個部分其實有很多的單位都在覬覦我們國防部這些相關的土地那在這裡包括陳前總統在89年的時候都有示導過國防部提出三個期許還有三安政策部長你知道什麼是三安政策嗎\n陳憲總統之前提到的三安政策第一個就是讓部隊安全軍人安家還有軍眷安心這目前我們國軍還在推動嗎\n國防部在2016年將零智商列為重大的實證目標可是我們智商案件卻是逐年攀升\n國軍長期在推動的這個部分我們應該要怎麼樣來檢討因為首先的三安部隊安全我們可能就沒有好好的做到而且現在已經10月我剛剛講的4月的數據資料那另外就是國軍在114年預算原額大概是16749人已經住進軍人植物宿舍的只有7000多戶\n在住用率上面他高達了99.69%就是我們所有提供出來的他幾乎都佔滿了可是具有植物觀色的軍人卻只佔我們軍人數的4.7%所以其實我們的供需其實是差非常多的而且這4.7%大部分都是以軍官還有資深的士官為主所以持續在等候補的這些等待的人員\n其實高達4000多人以上非常多的人在排那部長如果說我們剛剛提到要在木兵上面要有更好的成效\n為什麼我們政府要推新清安為什麼要推社會住宅其實有一個安定的家我想這是非常重要的那像部長其實以你的資歷還有你的資產要購屋我想輕而易舉可是目前的房價真的非常貴所以官兵弟兄如果要安置家人安心工作真的是非常的辛苦所以本席辦公室也常常接到軍人陳情要調動的服務在我們的\n陳情的案件比例上面是非常高的就是他想要調回自己的老家或者自己的故鄉因為父母還有子女老婆先生其實都是在那裡那這樣子的一個陳情調動這麼高的情況之下其實可以顯見在這個部分的需求在過去其實本席也曾經建議過其實我們應該運用我們現有的這些資產土地\n部長怎麼看?\n政策上是支持委員的講法,細節上稍微說明,簡單說明一下跟委員報告,那個植物宿舍我們會依照委員的一個指導,就是說針對這種生活機能好的部分我們會全力來爭取蓋這個植物宿舍,以上報告\n因為我們剛剛提到了就是說你明明有土地那我們的銀產基金其實也都還有預算你在新南專案計畫在116年就要結束了我們希望可以儘速的去做一個通盤的一個檢討那因為美軍可以成為世界戰力強的部隊他除了他的武器精良薪水很高以外很重要的就是他的福利非常好\n﹚馬文君﹚\n：馬文君\n新建這個植物觀色我想其實是一個還不錯的一個誘因因為我們有地有錢然後又有需求那現在至少都有4000人排著在等所以就看我們有沒有心那就這個部分剛剛已經提到說要做檢討在這個部分是不是可以提出近期可以提出書面的說明報告\n應該可以吧在兩週之內跟委員來做一個報告好 謝謝那另外部長也利用一點時間在這裡探討就是最近可能社會上紛紛擾擾大家非常關注\n然後也很疑慮的一個部分在中東地區他持續爆發以哈戰爭的過程當中5月份曾經發生以色列對加薩醫院醫療設施進行攻擊而且還阻止病患他轉院的這個事件這個事件也引起當時正在瑞士日內瓦世衛大會上面超過至少30個國家共同譴責以色列\n那以色列為什麼會被這些參加世衛大會的國家在會中譴責然後為什麼要攻擊加薩醫院相信他也有做出他的一個理由說明那以哈衝突大概8個月的時間加薩地區的醫院不斷的成為以軍傾角哈馬斯的一個重要目標那以色列的說法他當然是說醫院他裡面有很多地下恐怖組織\n的成員哈馬斯的藏身處還有是軍火庫所以就這個部分他的作戰原因他雖然是這麼說可是還是受到世界各國的一個譴責那部長我想要請教一下就是我們後備指揮部所屬的單位至少到6月份開始也要求轄區的公廟簽訂了那個\n：馬文君\n這只是程序演練沒有進行真正的演練可是這個部分如果簽了你平時當然不會有什麼影響可是大家想到的是現在你整體的氛圍還有周邊的一個區域緊張的一個態勢可能就會增加大家的一個負擔跟疑慮那就這個部分因為你簽了在暫時其實它就是國軍的彈藥屯點玉屯點對不對\n跟委員報告他這個志願的協定不一定是御屯彈藥這樣子的一個志願協定你上面就是寫要御屯彈藥阿你們上面在詢問的時候是御屯彈藥阿我們現在律定的就是說我們要去做一些設施調查跟動員邊管的一些地點阿\n部長部長\n因為您是法律人,你剛剛有提到了說就我們國內的法律還有國際法上面我們去遵循,國際法上面其實他很清楚的有提到說,國際法明定的宗教信仰場所不可以作為軍事用途\n所以如果你一旦去破壞了這樣子的一個結構他國際法保護的效力也會跟著失效所以在對於我們是不是所有的民眾能不能受到國際法保護這個影響是非常嚴重的這個部分我們請我們國防部也好教育部或者其他內政部相關的單位包括你40萬的名利我們都知道其實在發生危難\n﹚馬文君﹚\n在發生重大災難災害的時候活動中心通常是收容民眾的地方可是你們又要把彈藥存放在活動中心裡面這樣沒有很大的衝突嗎你如果萬一發生衝突的時候那個一炸\n謝謝 各位請回應\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.609 --> 00:26.449\n謝謝主席麻煩請部長來部長請我們待會部長在馬文君委員詢答結束要參加總統府軍團的就由代理人出席謝謝部長午安過去國軍有依國防組織跟兵力結構調整的政策就是依照營區整併還有三軍共住的原則有討論過\n\n00:28.991 --> 00:53.162\n就是沒有運用計畫的營地列為空置營地來管理維護那還有一個部分就是老舊眷村拆除騰空以後他改列為空置的眷地維管的部分相關的空置營眷地曾經高達一萬多筆而且面積達到了一千多公頃\n\n00:54.082 --> 01:13.129\n那這個部分其實有很多的單位都在覬覦我們國防部這些相關的土地那在這裡包括陳前總統在89年的時候都有示導過國防部提出三個期許還有三安政策部長你知道什麼是三安政策嗎\n\n01:22.168 --> 01:30.294\n陳憲總統之前提到的三安政策第一個就是讓部隊安全軍人安家還有軍眷安心這目前我們國軍還在推動嗎\n\n01:33.873 --> 01:35.894\n國防部在2016年將零智商列為重大的實證目標可是我們智商案件卻是逐年攀升\n\n02:04.193 --> 02:29.054\n國軍長期在推動的這個部分我們應該要怎麼樣來檢討因為首先的三安部隊安全我們可能就沒有好好的做到而且現在已經10月我剛剛講的4月的數據資料那另外就是國軍在114年預算原額大概是16749人已經住進軍人植物宿舍的只有7000多戶\n\n02:31.291 --> 02:58.829\n在住用率上面他高達了99.69%就是我們所有提供出來的他幾乎都佔滿了可是具有植物觀色的軍人卻只佔我們軍人數的4.7%所以其實我們的供需其實是差非常多的而且這4.7%大部分都是以軍官還有資深的士官為主所以持續在等候補的這些等待的人員\n\n02:59.529 --> 03:02.413\n其實高達4000多人以上非常多的人在排那部長如果說我們剛剛提到要在木兵上面要有更好的成效\n\n03:13.203 --> 03:38.163\n為什麼我們政府要推新清安為什麼要推社會住宅其實有一個安定的家我想這是非常重要的那像部長其實以你的資歷還有你的資產要購屋我想輕而易舉可是目前的房價真的非常貴所以官兵弟兄如果要安置家人安心工作真的是非常的辛苦所以本席辦公室也常常接到軍人陳情要調動的服務在我們的\n\n03:41.145 --> 03:56.816\n陳情的案件比例上面是非常高的就是他想要調回自己的老家或者自己的故鄉因為父母還有子女老婆先生其實都是在那裡那這樣子的一個陳情調動這麼高的情況之下其實可以顯見在這個部分的需求在過去其實本席也曾經建議過其實我們應該運用我們現有的這些資產土地\n\n04:08.504 --> 04:08.564\n部長怎麼看?\n\n04:34.518 --> 04:50.107\n政策上是支持委員的講法,細節上稍微說明,簡單說明一下跟委員報告,那個植物宿舍我們會依照委員的一個指導,就是說針對這種生活機能好的部分我們會全力來爭取蓋這個植物宿舍,以上報告\n\n04:50.787 --> 05:01.135\n因為我們剛剛提到了就是說你明明有土地那我們的銀產基金其實也都還有預算你在新南專案計畫在116年就要結束了我們希望可以儘速的去做一個通盤的一個檢討那因為美軍可以成為世界戰力強的部隊他除了他的武器精良薪水很高以外很重要的就是他的福利非常好\n\n05:16.806 --> 05:16.846\n﹚馬文君﹚\n\n05:36.790 --> 05:37.010\n：馬文君\n\n06:03.371 --> 06:26.143\n新建這個植物觀色我想其實是一個還不錯的一個誘因因為我們有地有錢然後又有需求那現在至少都有4000人排著在等所以就看我們有沒有心那就這個部分剛剛已經提到說要做檢討在這個部分是不是可以提出近期可以提出書面的說明報告\n\n06:27.727 --> 06:38.983\n應該可以吧在兩週之內跟委員來做一個報告好謝謝那另外部長也利用一點時間在這裡探討就是最近可能社會上紛紛擾擾大家非常關注\n\n06:42.527 --> 06:52.673\n然後也很疑慮的一個部分在中東地區他持續爆發以哈戰爭的過程當中5月份曾經發生以色列對加薩醫院醫療設施進行攻擊而且還阻止病患他轉院的這個事件這個事件也引起當時正在瑞士日內瓦世衛大會上面超過至少30個國家共同譴責以色列\n\n07:10.043 --> 07:17.105\n那以色列為什麼會被這些參加世衛大會的國家在會中譴責然後為什麼要攻擊加薩醫院相信他也有做出他的一個理由說明那以哈衝突大概8個月的時間加薩地區的醫院不斷的成為以軍傾角哈馬斯的一個重要目標那以色列的說法他當然是說醫院他裡面有很多地下恐怖組織\n\n07:38.772 --> 07:42.373\n的成員哈馬斯的藏身處還有是軍火庫所以就這個部分他的作戰原因他雖然是這麼說可是還是受到世界各國的一個譴責那部長我想要請教一下就是我們後備指揮部所屬的單位至少到6月份開始也要求轄區的公廟簽訂了那個\n\n08:03.658 --> 08:03.918\n：馬文君\n\n08:24.023 --> 08:46.830\n這只是程序演練沒有進行真正的演練可是這個部分如果簽了你平時當然不會有什麼影響可是大家想到的是現在你整體的氛圍還有周邊的一個區域緊張的一個態勢可能就會增加大家的一個負擔跟疑慮那就這個部分因為你簽了在暫時其實它就是國軍的彈藥屯點玉屯點對不對\n\n08:50.326 --> 09:09.365\n跟委員報告他這個志願的協定不一定是御屯彈藥這樣子的一個志願協定你上面就是寫要御屯彈藥阿你們上面在詢問的時候是御屯彈藥阿我們現在律定的就是說我們要去做一些設施調查跟動員邊管的一些地點阿\n\n09:10.026 --> 09:10.146\n部長部長\n\n09:28.106 --> 09:30.889\n因為您是法律人,你剛剛有提到了說就我們國內的法律還有國際法上面我們去遵循,國際法上面其實他很清楚的有提到說,國際法明定的宗教信仰場所不可以作為軍事用途\n\n09:46.583 --> 09:52.327\n所以如果你一旦去破壞了這樣子的一個結構他國際法保護的效力也會跟著失效所以在對於我們是不是所有的民眾能不能受到國際法保護這個影響是非常嚴重的這個部分我們請我們國防部也好教育部或者其他內政部相關的單位包括你40萬的名利我們都知道其實在發生危難\n\n10:12.401 --> 10:12.601\n﹚馬文君﹚\n\n10:28.163 --> 10:31.086\n在發生重大災難災害的時候活動中心通常是收容民眾的地方可是你們又要把彈藥存放在活動中心裡面這樣沒有很大的衝突嗎你如果萬一發生衝突的時候那個一炸\n\n10:54.165 --> 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