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00:01:29,911\n他會一直持續下去嗎?還是他會做制度的調整?照理說你現在稻米的每年都是供過於求,對不對?供過於求的數量大概是多少?每年大概多20萬噸20萬噸,那20萬噸怎麼處理呢?\n\n5\n00:01:34,962 --> 00:02:01,504\n我想我們現在的公糧如果說進到公糧兩年以後我們會變成舊米然後舊米就會變成飼料米然後飼料米賣出有沒有尋求出口的可能性這是第二個部分第二個部分就是說它在一年一年內的這些米我們可以當作救助米然後少部分的會外銷那最主要就是因為公糧收購的時候不限品種所以它本身\n\n6\n00:02:03,506 --> 00:02:20,323\n那外銷的數量大概是多少呢?外銷大概十幾萬噸我們還要努力啦我們增加我們這個供給大概需求是20萬噸嘛那你就覺得說你多出來的就可以外銷啦\n\n7\n00:02:21,590 --> 00:02:30,956\n是嗎?我想公糧的外銷的困難度會比我們集團產區的品牌品的外銷的困難度還高因為它的品質不穩定\n\n8\n00:02:35,822 --> 00:02:59,460\n全世界有保價收購只有台灣對於這個公糧保價收購而且只有單一品項對不對是道米對不對是有沒有聽到其他的這個農產品也要要求保價收購我想我們在這一次的地方的一個座談跟之前的一些調查的過程裡面那其實針對\n\n9\n00:03:01,161 --> 00:03:22,334\n花卉的雜糧的蔬菜的部分其實他們對這個公糧的提高的議題因為公糧提高的是因為成本的提高他們覺得說如果這樣的話他也希望能夠受到政府的照顧我這個花卉不行其他都不行會影響公平性的問題一樣都是農民只是我生產的作物不一樣就不同的賴慾\n\n10\n00:03:23,895 --> 00:03:38,103\n所以你要看10年20年這個公糧制度公糧保駕制度他的存續還是你要做調整還是他有個落日我跟委員報告就是我們現在的策略就是\n\n11\n00:03:39,355 --> 00:03:59,214\n委員會支持稻農所得是我們必要的所以當你的產力價格比較高的時候他就不繳公糧了他就會繳民糧然後慢慢的慢慢的如果大家都繳民糧不繳公糧的時候他就可以自然而然的降低他的一個比重那這個部分我想我們是讓整個政策的裝軌式\n\n12\n00:04:00,855 --> 00:04:01,755\n你未來會取消公糧收購保釣收購制度嗎?\n\n13\n00:04:21,804 --> 00:04:38,559\n當農民選擇繳到產地的時候那相對的公糧：你現在所提的一級二轉三加三那不是就是針對公糧制度在做改革嗎對做調整但是我不會說我就取消了公糧的收購我們不會這樣做但是我會讓市場慢慢的由農民來決定\n\n14\n00:04:40,380 --> 00:05:06,987\n你再說明一下這個公糧收購的這個最大的政策的這個目的是什麼當初公糧收購最大的政策就是因為那時候缺糧現在基本上第一個有一部分是安全存糧的部分但是安全存糧依現在法定的是三個月那現在我們的安全存糧大概將近八個月到一年所以遠遠超過我們的安全存糧\n\n15\n00:05:08,168 --> 00:05:15,765\n他應該慢慢調整到就是說我們安全存檔的規定三個月如果你做到三個月就好了\n\n16\n00:05:16,738 --> 00:05:44,693\n那你現在多數5個月你現在到8個月嘛8個月到一年對啊多數5個月就把這個半年多數大概半年多7個月那這個部分是不是可以慢慢的往這邊去調整對我跟委員報告保駕照顧是不是強制他一定要來是農民決定他要不要交所以當我把產地價適度的把它拉高的時候農民就會去繳產地的部分公糧收的就變得比較少以這幾年的例子來講從50幾萬變成30幾萬就是一個很好的例子\n\n17\n00:05:46,254 --> 00:06:09,462\n所以最高的時候公糧的數量是佔總量多少?沒有,它最高的話一年大概56萬噸左右大概將近三成,兩成五到三成之間最高大概三成那現在是幾成?現在大概,沒有,現在在兩成三到兩成八吧我記得有一個數字\n\n18\n00:06:12,547 --> 00:06:25,143\n現在已經不到三成了特別是這兩年大概只有兩成三左右報告裡面就是對於這個調高公糧價格會造成很多負面影響這部分你們做過相關的這個對\n\n19\n00:06:27,645 --> 00:06:56,885\n聽農民的意見或者農事單位農業相關機構的意見我想我們在研擬這個方案的時候其實我們有包括地方的一些座談然後希望用什麼樣的方式然後包括跟集團產區其實我們做了非常多的座談然後這個政策我們從上個月開始我們已經啟動了所有的說明會大概20幾場的說明會那農民普遍聽起來是支持這樣的一個政策啦但我不可諱言的還是有少部分覺得說支持什麼政策\n\n20\n00:06:57,345 --> 00:06:57,986\n政策希望讓大多數的農民得利\n\n21\n00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:44,415\n那不是讓少數的農民得利嗎?是,是所以你要這個是你的政策的這個在制定的最主要的依據另外,跟你討論一下農業保險投表率低的問題這個你應該有相關的EOA來處理就是說你這2017到2024這個農業保險的這個預算有增加了3.51倍但目前的覆蓋率覆蓋率\n\n22\n00:07:55,229 --> 00:07:59,951\n我跟委員報告這個保險預算的增加就是我們補助這個保險那我已經啟動了整個保險的重新的檢討我覺得保險不能說開了以後\n\n23\n00:08:22,011 --> 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