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00:00:19,228\n這個結果大致上為是每趟基本的運費60元每個樓層加5元夜間再加20元那當然我相信喔不管是院長或是部長都是想要照顧這些基層的這些外送員但是呢如果這是一個\n\n2\n00:00:19,969 --> 00:00:19,989\n二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、\n\n3\n00:00:40,380 --> 00:00:42,101\n由於目前公會提出來的帳價\n\n4\n00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:11,600\n三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n\n5\n00:01:36,307 --> 00:01:38,428\n外送員認為市場有它的平衡機制,如果漲價沒人點\n\n6\n00:01:52,577 --> 00:01:52,737\n報告委員\n\n7\n00:02:12,403 --> 00:02:31,677\n這個部分您所提出來的數字您剛剛也說了這是外送員工會所算出來的數字那代表外送員工會其實都知道這件事那這個部分本來就是他們都知道那現在大家談這些都還太早因為現在我們是要針對運費透明化這件事來進行我們只是在規劃整個計算的公式\n\n8\n00:02:35,279 --> 00:03:01,191\n那計算的公式出來之後以後會有幾方有五方共同來決定這個這個費率哪五方呢消費者基金會然後外送員的工會再提醒你外送員的工會就是這個部分呢因為你們在之前都沒有跟他們有討論包括16號下午你們才緊急發通知給這個消基會說希望他們16號早17號早上來開會他們就拒絕了\n\n9\n00:03:03,792 --> 00:03:07,074\n本席要提醒你的是,這個草案就跟斑斑有纖如。\n\n10\n00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:47,525\n同樣的翻版,缺乏溝通,不夠接地氣,這簡直就是在辦公室裡面想出來的政策,那一開始在公告修正草案之前的會議根本沒有任何消費者團體的聲音,所以16號發文的就是為了挽救嘛,所以提醒你一定要重視,否則你這樣子等於是\n\n11\n00:03:49,236 --> 00:04:11,597\n療草的上路的話影響的非常多,影響的非常多。好,那接下來呢,卓院長,我也必須提醒您,不只是交通部如此,你說教育部跟農業部剛剛我們提出的那個案子,就是斑斑有鮮奶,變成斑斑有薄酒乳之外,薄酒乳還供應不上,結果呢,\n\n12\n00:04:13,212 --> 00:04:33,375\n問了農業部,農業部說你喝不上飽酒乳,你喝鮮乳啊,這不是何不死肉糜啊,真的我覺得荒唐到了一個極點,我們其實本意是要照顧落農,結果不止沒有照顧到落農,還排擠了小型的落農跟養乳的落農,所以\n\n13\n00:04:33,695 --> 00:04:33,815\n主席\n\n14\n00:04:56,451 --> 00:05:12,743\n我希望大家的創意都要經過非常合理深入的討論而且在討論的初期如果還沒有廣泛跟外界有溝通不宜把任何的意見快速的向外界來宣布或是透露出來這樣會造成大家的不安\n\n15\n00:05:13,123 --> 00:05:39,548\n但是我認為所有的他的創意的原意應該都是好的。那我們從這個方向來大家更理智的。同意就是你有發想很好但是你要有一些成熟的方案在對外宣布。否則實在是會讓人家覺得有一點荒腔折磅而且政策反覆一下子說這樣一下子說那樣。隔天又說道歉十幾次說他只是在發想階段我覺得這樣子會\n\n16\n00:05:41,088 --> 00:06:07,085\n讓民眾對整個內閣的可信度打折,間接影響到院長的credit,所以這一點提醒院長可以鼓勵大家再深思熟慮,再發起。那另外呢,我想請問院長,臺鐵公司10月初有一份從業人員待遇表的草案,將新進人員起薪調升3000元,但是公司化後\n\n17\n00:06:08,306 --> 00:06:08,566\n主席\n\n18\n00:06:31,132 --> 00:06:47,757\n但是呢大家有問題有疑慮的是說為什麼新任人員的待遇提高原任的員工卻沒有調薪如果有沒有估算過說為什麼只有調薪進人員然後如果全體調要提升多少呢?\n\n19\n00:06:49,158 --> 00:06:50,479\n就是希望能夠妥善處理因為本席也很擔心說假設\n\n20\n00:07:10,029 --> 00:07:37,866\n就是這個薪資的不公平導致說台鐵有罷工或者是說營運可能無法負擔假設要全面調薪可能營運無法負擔那會不會像台電一樣要發生說交通部要撥補他這樣子的一個情況目前的狀況確實是不公平所以才調那從業人員比原本的人員低那我們現在希望從業人員先拉上來先拉上來這個是第一步我們要先做的\n\n21\n00:07:38,967 --> 00:07:43,650\n本席在這裡希望部長能夠妥善處理,不要影響到其他我們一般消費者的權益。\n\n22\n00:08:04,790 --> 00:08:28,103\n請問院長,數位部的打炸APP你有看過嗎?有。有看過。你知道數位部應該是打炸最重要的一個機關之一是嗎?從技術面來看是,但實際執行的應該還有我們的檢警調系統。那對於數位部打炸的成果,院長你滿意嗎?\n\n23\n00:08:29,687 --> 00:08:39,422\n蘇衛部打詐的成果他這個APP只是一個讓大家檢視他受到的國人受到的資訊是真是假他是在檢視這個真假\n\n24\n00:08:40,950 --> 00:09:03,295\n有個數據喔本席跟院長說一下去年的詐欺案件發生是37832件在前年增加了8314件加了28.17%詐騙的這個案件是越打越多那部長你們數位部在9月底推出了網路詐騙通報查詢網是不是?\n\n25\n00:09:05,876 --> 00:09:06,497\n那請問一下這個APP花了多少錢?\n\n26\n00:09:15,247 --> 00:09:42,458\n我們這個計畫是從既有的計畫裡面去挪出來的大概這個是一個數字我們大概就包括維運包括維運包括客服大概加起來大概是一千多萬一千三百萬那目前呢普遍的評價是非常粗糙那包括AppleStore跟Play商店的評分是多少你知道嗎\n\n27\n00:09:44,406 --> 00:09:45,734\n大概是從3點左右\n\n28\n00:09:46,513 --> 00:10:11,934\n差不多2.6星部長你會不會覺得這個有一點不滿意我個人從事軟體做40年所以這個兩個層面一個是說它好不好用那我承認這個推出來的時候的確在可用就是好不好用是有進步的空間但是它的效果我們看到了我給委員報告一下我們在15天的公測本席再提醒你你講到了\n\n29\n00:10:15,523 --> 00:10:40,842\n這個數位部上架幾天之後大家反應很不好他馬上就下架了他這個詐騙通報網他說這個是公測APP是公測就已經完成了階段性任務所以你1300萬15天就把它用完了你就把它花了就把它下架了我的老天啊我真的是嚇一跳\n\n30\n00:10:42,564 --> 00:10:57,986\n詐騙通報還需要公測?而且你只用了15天就把它下降了,我到底看到什麼啦?你們公測了什麼?你們完成了什麼階段性任務?因為我們原來就是要收集一萬個民眾的feedback,那這個我們收集到了。\n\n31\n00:10:58,266 --> 00:11:15,266\n那請問還有第二階段的公測第三階段的公測是不是反正只要做不好就說是公測就可以下架但是如果數位部做不好你也可以說是數位部是公測啊數位部也可以裁掉啊我們在上去的時候就已經說這叫公測版\n\n32\n00:11:15,854 --> 00:11:41,956\n所以並不是後來才說的就是另外一個更嚴重的問題本席在下架前就已經下載了目前還可以截圖請看這個昨天的截圖就我們打架APP自己聲稱說用AI去尋找詐騙資訊的檔案結果全部都是色情廣告全部都是色情廣告你覺得這個是數位部想要達成的目標嗎所以就是我們在講說我們第一個公測的目的就是找出這些問題\n\n33\n00:11:42,637 --> 00:11:42,657\n二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50\n\n34\n00:12:00,942 --> 00:12:23,745\n指出這個網站有問題之後他可以進去通報詳細來說明他被騙三個是這個APP必須要非常好的操作非常好的操作所以部長您真的要加油啊所以這個錢就好像撒了十幾天就花了一千多萬結果還沒有成果搜尋到了全部都是色情廣告這合適嗎?\n\n35\n00:12:25,106 --> 00:12:41,454\n發言委員是從5月到12月的預計要發展?抱歉因為我時間有限,我想要接下來再問一下地方建設,就是院長,我們這個斗六鐵道次故停船,到目前為止,今年9月兩則,5月好幾條人命,\n\n36\n00:12:44,375 --> 00:13:11,829\n都沒了所以針對斗六鐵路高價化一案本席今年也邀請了會刊多次最終已經解決了曲率半徑效益評估跟臨時評交到的三大關口讓斗六鐵路高價化可以敗部復活這是斗六人已經期盼了二三十年的夢但是院長真的很需要您的幫忙因為呢縣府把這個案子可行性評估\n\n37\n00:13:12,850 --> 00:13:14,832\n請問一下這個審查期程大概還要多久?部長您可以回答嗎?\n\n38\n00:13:36,252 --> 00:14:01,600\n目前我們已經送到部了,鐵道局那邊已經送到交通部了,那我們交通部最近會來開審查會議。最近大概多久?我要跟內部再討論一下。一個禮拜、三個禮拜還是三個月?我跟內部來討論一下。因為你加快騎乘,你是在保障我們這些人民的行車安全。那我也想舉一個例子,就是說\n\n39\n00:14:31,883 --> 00:14:39,748\n謝謝張嘉郡委員質詢,謝謝卓院長及相關部會所長的備詢,謝謝。報告委員會現在在議場二樓旁聽的來自南投縣\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1330\t19228\t這個結果大致上為是每趟基本的運費60元每個樓層加5元夜間再加20元那當然我相信喔不管是院長或是部長都是想要照顧這些基層的這些外送員但是呢如果這是一個\n19969\t19989\t二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、\n40380\t42101\t由於目前公會提出來的帳價\n68719\t71600\t三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n96307\t98428\t外送員認為市場有它的平衡機制,如果漲價沒人點\n112577\t112737\t報告委員\n132403\t151677\t這個部分您所提出來的數字您剛剛也說了這是外送員工會所算出來的數字那代表外送員工會其實都知道這件事那這個部分本來就是他們都知道那現在大家談這些都還太早因為現在我們是要針對運費透明化這件事來進行我們只是在規劃整個計算的公式\n155279\t181191\t那計算的公式出來之後以後會有幾方有五方共同來決定這個這個費率哪五方呢消費者基金會然後外送員的工會再提醒你外送員的工會就是這個部分呢因為你們在之前都沒有跟他們有討論包括16號下午你們才緊急發通知給這個消基會說希望他們16號早17號早上來開會他們就拒絕了\n183792\t187074\t本席要提醒你的是,這個草案就跟斑斑有纖如。\n200720\t227525\t同樣的翻版,缺乏溝通,不夠接地氣,這簡直就是在辦公室裡面想出來的政策,那一開始在公告修正草案之前的會議根本沒有任何消費者團體的聲音,所以16號發文的就是為了挽救嘛,所以提醒你一定要重視,否則你這樣子等於是\n229236\t251597\t療草的上路的話影響的非常多,影響的非常多。好,那接下來呢,卓院長,我也必須提醒您,不只是交通部如此,你說教育部跟農業部剛剛我們提出的那個案子,就是斑斑有鮮奶,變成斑斑有薄酒乳之外,薄酒乳還供應不上,結果呢,\n253212\t273375\t問了農業部,農業部說你喝不上飽酒乳,你喝鮮乳啊,這不是何不死肉糜啊,真的我覺得荒唐到了一個極點,我們其實本意是要照顧落農,結果不止沒有照顧到落農,還排擠了小型的落農跟養乳的落農,所以\n273695\t273815\t主席\n296451\t312743\t我希望大家的創意都要經過非常合理深入的討論而且在討論的初期如果還沒有廣泛跟外界有溝通不宜把任何的意見快速的向外界來宣布或是透露出來這樣會造成大家的不安\n313123\t339548\t但是我認為所有的他的創意的原意應該都是好的。 那我們從這個方向來大家更理智的。 同意就是你有發想很好但是你要有一些成熟的方案在對外宣布。 否則實在是會讓人家覺得有一點荒腔折磅而且政策反覆一下子說這樣一下子說那樣。 隔天又說道歉十幾次說他只是在發想階段我覺得這樣子會\n341088\t367085\t讓民眾對整個內閣的可信度打折,間接影響到院長的credit,所以這一點提醒院長可以鼓勵大家再深思熟慮,再發起。那另外呢,我想請問院長,臺鐵公司10月初有一份從業人員待遇表的草案,將新進人員起薪調升3000元,但是公司化後\n368306\t368566\t主席\n391132\t407757\t但是呢大家有問題有疑慮的是說為什麼新任人員的待遇提高原任的員工卻沒有調薪如果有沒有估算過說為什麼只有調薪進人員然後如果全體調要提升多少呢?\n409158\t410479\t就是希望能夠妥善處理因為本席也很擔心說假設\n430029\t457866\t就是這個薪資的不公平導致說台鐵有罷工或者是說營運可能無法負擔假設要全面調薪可能營運無法負擔那會不會像台電一樣要發生說交通部要撥補他這樣子的一個情況目前的狀況確實是不公平所以才調那從業人員比原本的人員低那我們現在希望從業人員先拉上來先拉上來這個是第一步我們要先做的\n458967\t463650\t本席在這裡希望部長能夠妥善處理,不要影響到其他我們一般消費者的權益。\n484790\t508103\t請問院長,數位部的打炸APP你有看過嗎?有。有看過。你知道數位部應該是打炸最重要的一個機關之一是嗎?從技術面來看是,但實際執行的應該還有我們的檢警調系統。那對於數位部打炸的成果,院長你滿意嗎?\n509687\t519422\t蘇衛部打詐的成果他這個APP只是一個讓大家檢視他受到的國人受到的資訊是真是假他是在檢視這個真假\n520950\t543295\t有個數據喔本席跟院長說一下去年的詐欺案件發生是37832件在前年增加了8314件加了28.17%詐騙的這個案件是越打越多那部長你們數位部在9月底推出了網路詐騙通報查詢網是不是?\n545876\t546497\t那請問一下這個APP花了多少錢?\n555247\t582458\t我們這個計畫是從既有的計畫裡面去挪出來的大概這個是一個數字我們大概就包括維運包括維運包括客服大概加起來大概是一千多萬一千三百萬那目前呢普遍的評價是非常粗糙那包括Apple Store跟Play商店的評分是多少你知道嗎\n584406\t585734\t大概是從3點左右\n586513\t611934\t差不多2.6星部長你會不會覺得這個有一點不滿意我個人從事軟體做40年所以這個兩個層面一個是說它好不好用那我承認這個推出來的時候的確在可用就是好不好用是有進步的空間但是它的效果我們看到了我給委員報告一下我們在15天的公測本席再提醒你你講到了\n615523\t640842\t這個數位部上架幾天之後大家反應很不好他馬上就下架了他這個詐騙通報網他說這個是公測APP是公測就已經完成了階段性任務所以你1300萬15天就把它用完了你就把它花了就把它下架了我的老天啊我真的是嚇一跳\n642564\t657986\t詐騙通報還需要公測?而且你只用了15天就把它下降了,我到底看到什麼啦?你們公測了什麼?你們完成了什麼階段性任務?因為我們原來就是要收集一萬個民眾的feedback,那這個我們收集到了。\n658266\t675266\t那請問還有第二階段的公測第三階段的公測是不是反正只要做不好就說是公測就可以下架但是如果數位部做不好你也可以說是數位部是公測啊數位部也可以裁掉啊我們在上去的時候就已經說這叫公測版\n675854\t701956\t所以並不是後來才說的就是另外一個更嚴重的問題本席在下架前就已經下載了目前還可以截圖請看這個昨天的截圖就我們打架APP自己聲稱說用AI去尋找詐騙資訊的檔案結果全部都是色情廣告全部都是色情廣告你覺得這個是數位部想要達成的目標嗎所以就是我們在講說我們第一個公測的目的就是找出這些問題\n702637\t702657\t二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50\n720942\t743745\t指出這個網站有問題之後他可以進去通報詳細來說明他被騙三個是這個APP必須要非常好的操作非常好的操作所以部長您真的要加油啊所以這個錢就好像撒了十幾天就花了一千多萬結果還沒有成果搜尋到了全部都是色情廣告這合適嗎?\n745106\t761454\t發言委員是從5月到12月的預計要發展?抱歉因為我時間有限,我想要接下來再問一下地方建設,就是院長,我們這個斗六鐵道次故停船,到目前為止,今年9月兩則,5月好幾條人命,\n764375\t791829\t都沒了所以針對斗六鐵路高價化一案本席今年也邀請了會刊多次最終已經解決了曲率半徑效益評估跟臨時評交到的三大關口讓斗六鐵路高價化可以敗部復活這是斗六人已經期盼了二三十年的夢但是院長真的很需要您的幫忙因為呢縣府把這個案子可行性評估\n792850\t794832\t請問一下這個審查期程大概還要多久?部長您可以回答嗎?\n816252\t841600\t目前我們已經送到部了,鐵道局那邊已經送到交通部了,那我們交通部最近會來開審查會議。最近大概多久?我要跟內部再討論一下。一個禮拜、三個禮拜還是三個月?我跟內部來討論一下。因為你加快騎乘,你是在保障我們這些人民的行車安全。那我也想舉一個例子,就是說\n871883\t879748\t謝謝張嘉郡委員質詢,謝謝卓院長及相關部會所長的備詢,謝謝。報告委員會現在在議場二樓旁聽的來自南投縣\n","txt":"這個結果大致上為是每趟基本的運費60元每個樓層加5元夜間再加20元那當然我相信喔不管是院長或是部長都是想要照顧這些基層的這些外送員但是呢如果這是一個\n二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、\n由於目前公會提出來的帳價\n三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n外送員認為市場有它的平衡機制,如果漲價沒人點\n報告委員\n這個部分您所提出來的數字您剛剛也說了這是外送員工會所算出來的數字那代表外送員工會其實都知道這件事那這個部分本來就是他們都知道那現在大家談這些都還太早因為現在我們是要針對運費透明化這件事來進行我們只是在規劃整個計算的公式\n那計算的公式出來之後以後會有幾方有五方共同來決定這個這個費率哪五方呢消費者基金會然後外送員的工會再提醒你外送員的工會就是這個部分呢因為你們在之前都沒有跟他們有討論包括16號下午你們才緊急發通知給這個消基會說希望他們16號早17號早上來開會他們就拒絕了\n本席要提醒你的是,這個草案就跟斑斑有纖如。\n同樣的翻版,缺乏溝通,不夠接地氣,這簡直就是在辦公室裡面想出來的政策,那一開始在公告修正草案之前的會議根本沒有任何消費者團體的聲音,所以16號發文的就是為了挽救嘛,所以提醒你一定要重視,否則你這樣子等於是\n療草的上路的話影響的非常多,影響的非常多。好,那接下來呢,卓院長,我也必須提醒您,不只是交通部如此,你說教育部跟農業部剛剛我們提出的那個案子,就是斑斑有鮮奶,變成斑斑有薄酒乳之外,薄酒乳還供應不上,結果呢,\n問了農業部,農業部說你喝不上飽酒乳,你喝鮮乳啊,這不是何不死肉糜啊,真的我覺得荒唐到了一個極點,我們其實本意是要照顧落農,結果不止沒有照顧到落農,還排擠了小型的落農跟養乳的落農,所以\n主席\n我希望大家的創意都要經過非常合理深入的討論而且在討論的初期如果還沒有廣泛跟外界有溝通不宜把任何的意見快速的向外界來宣布或是透露出來這樣會造成大家的不安\n但是我認為所有的他的創意的原意應該都是好的。 那我們從這個方向來大家更理智的。 同意就是你有發想很好但是你要有一些成熟的方案在對外宣布。 否則實在是會讓人家覺得有一點荒腔折磅而且政策反覆一下子說這樣一下子說那樣。 隔天又說道歉十幾次說他只是在發想階段我覺得這樣子會\n讓民眾對整個內閣的可信度打折,間接影響到院長的credit,所以這一點提醒院長可以鼓勵大家再深思熟慮,再發起。那另外呢,我想請問院長,臺鐵公司10月初有一份從業人員待遇表的草案,將新進人員起薪調升3000元,但是公司化後\n主席\n但是呢大家有問題有疑慮的是說為什麼新任人員的待遇提高原任的員工卻沒有調薪如果有沒有估算過說為什麼只有調薪進人員然後如果全體調要提升多少呢?\n就是希望能夠妥善處理因為本席也很擔心說假設\n就是這個薪資的不公平導致說台鐵有罷工或者是說營運可能無法負擔假設要全面調薪可能營運無法負擔那會不會像台電一樣要發生說交通部要撥補他這樣子的一個情況目前的狀況確實是不公平所以才調那從業人員比原本的人員低那我們現在希望從業人員先拉上來先拉上來這個是第一步我們要先做的\n本席在這裡希望部長能夠妥善處理,不要影響到其他我們一般消費者的權益。\n請問院長,數位部的打炸APP你有看過嗎?有。有看過。你知道數位部應該是打炸最重要的一個機關之一是嗎?從技術面來看是,但實際執行的應該還有我們的檢警調系統。那對於數位部打炸的成果,院長你滿意嗎?\n蘇衛部打詐的成果他這個APP只是一個讓大家檢視他受到的國人受到的資訊是真是假他是在檢視這個真假\n有個數據喔本席跟院長說一下去年的詐欺案件發生是37832件在前年增加了8314件加了28.17%詐騙的這個案件是越打越多那部長你們數位部在9月底推出了網路詐騙通報查詢網是不是?\n那請問一下這個APP花了多少錢?\n我們這個計畫是從既有的計畫裡面去挪出來的大概這個是一個數字我們大概就包括維運包括維運包括客服大概加起來大概是一千多萬一千三百萬那目前呢普遍的評價是非常粗糙那包括Apple Store跟Play商店的評分是多少你知道嗎\n大概是從3點左右\n差不多2.6星部長你會不會覺得這個有一點不滿意我個人從事軟體做40年所以這個兩個層面一個是說它好不好用那我承認這個推出來的時候的確在可用就是好不好用是有進步的空間但是它的效果我們看到了我給委員報告一下我們在15天的公測本席再提醒你你講到了\n這個數位部上架幾天之後大家反應很不好他馬上就下架了他這個詐騙通報網他說這個是公測APP是公測就已經完成了階段性任務所以你1300萬15天就把它用完了你就把它花了就把它下架了我的老天啊我真的是嚇一跳\n詐騙通報還需要公測?而且你只用了15天就把它下降了,我到底看到什麼啦?你們公測了什麼?你們完成了什麼階段性任務?因為我們原來就是要收集一萬個民眾的feedback,那這個我們收集到了。\n那請問還有第二階段的公測第三階段的公測是不是反正只要做不好就說是公測就可以下架但是如果數位部做不好你也可以說是數位部是公測啊數位部也可以裁掉啊我們在上去的時候就已經說這叫公測版\n所以並不是後來才說的就是另外一個更嚴重的問題本席在下架前就已經下載了目前還可以截圖請看這個昨天的截圖就我們打架APP自己聲稱說用AI去尋找詐騙資訊的檔案結果全部都是色情廣告全部都是色情廣告你覺得這個是數位部想要達成的目標嗎所以就是我們在講說我們第一個公測的目的就是找出這些問題\n二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50\n指出這個網站有問題之後他可以進去通報詳細來說明他被騙三個是這個APP必須要非常好的操作非常好的操作所以部長您真的要加油啊所以這個錢就好像撒了十幾天就花了一千多萬結果還沒有成果搜尋到了全部都是色情廣告這合適嗎?\n發言委員是從5月到12月的預計要發展?抱歉因為我時間有限,我想要接下來再問一下地方建設,就是院長,我們這個斗六鐵道次故停船,到目前為止,今年9月兩則,5月好幾條人命,\n都沒了所以針對斗六鐵路高價化一案本席今年也邀請了會刊多次最終已經解決了曲率半徑效益評估跟臨時評交到的三大關口讓斗六鐵路高價化可以敗部復活這是斗六人已經期盼了二三十年的夢但是院長真的很需要您的幫忙因為呢縣府把這個案子可行性評估\n請問一下這個審查期程大概還要多久?部長您可以回答嗎?\n目前我們已經送到部了,鐵道局那邊已經送到交通部了,那我們交通部最近會來開審查會議。最近大概多久?我要跟內部再討論一下。一個禮拜、三個禮拜還是三個月?我跟內部來討論一下。因為你加快騎乘,你是在保障我們這些人民的行車安全。那我也想舉一個例子,就是說\n謝謝張嘉郡委員質詢,謝謝卓院長及相關部會所長的備詢,謝謝。報告委員會現在在議場二樓旁聽的來自南投縣\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.330 --> 00:19.228\n這個結果大致上為是每趟基本的運費60元每個樓層加5元夜間再加20元那當然我相信喔不管是院長或是部長都是想要照顧這些基層的這些外送員但是呢如果這是一個\n\n00:19.969 --> 00:19.989\n二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、\n\n00:40.380 --> 00:42.101\n由於目前公會提出來的帳價\n\n01:08.719 --> 01:11.600\n三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n\n01:36.307 --> 01:38.428\n外送員認為市場有它的平衡機制,如果漲價沒人點\n\n01:52.577 --> 01:52.737\n報告委員\n\n02:12.403 --> 02:31.677\n這個部分您所提出來的數字您剛剛也說了這是外送員工會所算出來的數字那代表外送員工會其實都知道這件事那這個部分本來就是他們都知道那現在大家談這些都還太早因為現在我們是要針對運費透明化這件事來進行我們只是在規劃整個計算的公式\n\n02:35.279 --> 03:01.191\n那計算的公式出來之後以後會有幾方有五方共同來決定這個這個費率哪五方呢消費者基金會然後外送員的工會再提醒你外送員的工會就是這個部分呢因為你們在之前都沒有跟他們有討論包括16號下午你們才緊急發通知給這個消基會說希望他們16號早17號早上來開會他們就拒絕了\n\n03:03.792 --> 03:07.074\n本席要提醒你的是,這個草案就跟斑斑有纖如。\n\n03:20.720 --> 03:47.525\n同樣的翻版,缺乏溝通,不夠接地氣,這簡直就是在辦公室裡面想出來的政策,那一開始在公告修正草案之前的會議根本沒有任何消費者團體的聲音,所以16號發文的就是為了挽救嘛,所以提醒你一定要重視,否則你這樣子等於是\n\n03:49.236 --> 04:11.597\n療草的上路的話影響的非常多,影響的非常多。好,那接下來呢,卓院長,我也必須提醒您,不只是交通部如此,你說教育部跟農業部剛剛我們提出的那個案子,就是斑斑有鮮奶,變成斑斑有薄酒乳之外,薄酒乳還供應不上,結果呢,\n\n04:13.212 --> 04:33.375\n問了農業部,農業部說你喝不上飽酒乳,你喝鮮乳啊,這不是何不死肉糜啊,真的我覺得荒唐到了一個極點,我們其實本意是要照顧落農,結果不止沒有照顧到落農,還排擠了小型的落農跟養乳的落農,所以\n\n04:33.695 --> 04:33.815\n主席\n\n04:56.451 --> 05:12.743\n我希望大家的創意都要經過非常合理深入的討論而且在討論的初期如果還沒有廣泛跟外界有溝通不宜把任何的意見快速的向外界來宣布或是透露出來這樣會造成大家的不安\n\n05:13.123 --> 05:39.548\n但是我認為所有的他的創意的原意應該都是好的。那我們從這個方向來大家更理智的。同意就是你有發想很好但是你要有一些成熟的方案在對外宣布。否則實在是會讓人家覺得有一點荒腔折磅而且政策反覆一下子說這樣一下子說那樣。隔天又說道歉十幾次說他只是在發想階段我覺得這樣子會\n\n05:41.088 --> 06:07.085\n讓民眾對整個內閣的可信度打折,間接影響到院長的credit,所以這一點提醒院長可以鼓勵大家再深思熟慮,再發起。那另外呢,我想請問院長,臺鐵公司10月初有一份從業人員待遇表的草案,將新進人員起薪調升3000元,但是公司化後\n\n06:08.306 --> 06:08.566\n主席\n\n06:31.132 --> 06:47.757\n但是呢大家有問題有疑慮的是說為什麼新任人員的待遇提高原任的員工卻沒有調薪如果有沒有估算過說為什麼只有調薪進人員然後如果全體調要提升多少呢?\n\n06:49.158 --> 06:50.479\n就是希望能夠妥善處理因為本席也很擔心說假設\n\n07:10.029 --> 07:37.866\n就是這個薪資的不公平導致說台鐵有罷工或者是說營運可能無法負擔假設要全面調薪可能營運無法負擔那會不會像台電一樣要發生說交通部要撥補他這樣子的一個情況目前的狀況確實是不公平所以才調那從業人員比原本的人員低那我們現在希望從業人員先拉上來先拉上來這個是第一步我們要先做的\n\n07:38.967 --> 07:43.650\n本席在這裡希望部長能夠妥善處理,不要影響到其他我們一般消費者的權益。\n\n08:04.790 --> 08:28.103\n請問院長,數位部的打炸APP你有看過嗎?有。有看過。你知道數位部應該是打炸最重要的一個機關之一是嗎?從技術面來看是,但實際執行的應該還有我們的檢警調系統。那對於數位部打炸的成果,院長你滿意嗎?\n\n08:29.687 --> 08:39.422\n蘇衛部打詐的成果他這個APP只是一個讓大家檢視他受到的國人受到的資訊是真是假他是在檢視這個真假\n\n08:40.950 --> 09:03.295\n有個數據喔本席跟院長說一下去年的詐欺案件發生是37832件在前年增加了8314件加了28.17%詐騙的這個案件是越打越多那部長你們數位部在9月底推出了網路詐騙通報查詢網是不是?\n\n09:05.876 --> 09:06.497\n那請問一下這個APP花了多少錢?\n\n09:15.247 --> 09:42.458\n我們這個計畫是從既有的計畫裡面去挪出來的大概這個是一個數字我們大概就包括維運包括維運包括客服大概加起來大概是一千多萬一千三百萬那目前呢普遍的評價是非常粗糙那包括AppleStore跟Play商店的評分是多少你知道嗎\n\n09:44.406 --> 09:45.734\n大概是從3點左右\n\n09:46.513 --> 10:11.934\n差不多2.6星部長你會不會覺得這個有一點不滿意我個人從事軟體做40年所以這個兩個層面一個是說它好不好用那我承認這個推出來的時候的確在可用就是好不好用是有進步的空間但是它的效果我們看到了我給委員報告一下我們在15天的公測本席再提醒你你講到了\n\n10:15.523 --> 10:40.842\n這個數位部上架幾天之後大家反應很不好他馬上就下架了他這個詐騙通報網他說這個是公測APP是公測就已經完成了階段性任務所以你1300萬15天就把它用完了你就把它花了就把它下架了我的老天啊我真的是嚇一跳\n\n10:42.564 --> 10:57.986\n詐騙通報還需要公測?而且你只用了15天就把它下降了,我到底看到什麼啦?你們公測了什麼?你們完成了什麼階段性任務?因為我們原來就是要收集一萬個民眾的feedback,那這個我們收集到了。\n\n10:58.266 --> 11:15.266\n那請問還有第二階段的公測第三階段的公測是不是反正只要做不好就說是公測就可以下架但是如果數位部做不好你也可以說是數位部是公測啊數位部也可以裁掉啊我們在上去的時候就已經說這叫公測版\n\n11:15.854 --> 11:41.956\n所以並不是後來才說的就是另外一個更嚴重的問題本席在下架前就已經下載了目前還可以截圖請看這個昨天的截圖就我們打架APP自己聲稱說用AI去尋找詐騙資訊的檔案結果全部都是色情廣告全部都是色情廣告你覺得這個是數位部想要達成的目標嗎所以就是我們在講說我們第一個公測的目的就是找出這些問題\n\n11:42.637 --> 11:42.657\n二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50\n\n12:00.942 --> 12:23.745\n指出這個網站有問題之後他可以進去通報詳細來說明他被騙三個是這個APP必須要非常好的操作非常好的操作所以部長您真的要加油啊所以這個錢就好像撒了十幾天就花了一千多萬結果還沒有成果搜尋到了全部都是色情廣告這合適嗎?\n\n12:25.106 --> 12:41.454\n發言委員是從5月到12月的預計要發展?抱歉因為我時間有限,我想要接下來再問一下地方建設,就是院長,我們這個斗六鐵道次故停船,到目前為止,今年9月兩則,5月好幾條人命,\n\n12:44.375 --> 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Store跟Play商店的評分是多少，你知道嗎？"],["黃部長彥男：大概是從3左右。"],["張委員嘉郡：差不多2.6星啦，部長，你會不會覺得這個有一點不滿意？"],["黃部長彥男：報告委員，我個人從事軟體工作40年，所以這個有兩個層面，一個是說它好不好用，我承認這個推出來的時候的確在可用，就是好不好用是有進步的空間，但是它的效果我們看到了，我跟委員報告一下，我們在15天的公測……"],["張委員嘉郡：本席再提醒你，你講到了，數位部上架幾天之後，大家的反應很不好，它馬上就下架了。"],["黃部長彥男：報告委員……"],["張委員嘉郡：這個詐騙通報網，它說這個是公測，app是公測，已經完成了階段性任務，所以1,300萬15天就把它用完了？"],["黃部長彥男：報告委員，這個是……"],["張委員嘉郡：你就把它花了、就把它下架了。"],["黃部長彥男：沒有，我們會再上架，會再……"],["張委員嘉郡：我的老天啊！我真的是嚇一跳，詐騙通報還需要公測？"],["黃部長彥男：當然要……"],["張委員嘉郡：而且你只用15天就把它下架了，我到底看到什麼啦？"],["黃部長彥男：報告委員……"],["張委員嘉郡：你們公測了什麼？你們完成了什麼階段性任務？"],["黃部長彥男：因為我們原來就是要蒐集1萬個民眾的feedback，我們蒐集到了，所以我們……"],["張委員嘉郡：請問還有第二階段的公測、第三階段的公測？"],["黃部長彥男：當然、當然。"],["張委員嘉郡：是不是反正只要做不好，就說是公測，就可以下架？"],["黃部長彥男：報告委員，我們……"],["張委員嘉郡：如果數位部做不好，你也可以說數位部是公測啊！數位部也可以裁掉啊！"],["黃部長彥男：我們在上去的時候就已經說這叫公測版，並不是後來才說。"],["張委員嘉郡：另外一個更嚴重的問題，本席在下架前就已經下載了，目前還可以截圖，請看這是昨天的截圖，我們打詐app自己聲稱說用AI去尋找詐騙資訊的檔案，結果全部都是色情廣告，全部都是色情廣告！你覺得這個是數位部想要達成的目標嗎？"],["黃部長彥男：所以我們說這個公測的目的就是找出這些問題，然後我們在下個階段會……"],["張委員嘉郡：數位部，請你們加油。"],["黃部長彥男：會。"],["張委員嘉郡：真的拜託你們。"],["卓院長榮泰：報告委員，我只要求它有三個方向一定要做好，第一個，要精準，這個是詐不是詐，要精準告訴國人；第二，如果它有問題，我們要有一個通報系統的連結，讓國人因為指出它的網站有問題之後，可以進去通報，詳細來說明……"],["張委員嘉郡：是，本席也這樣期待。"],["卓院長榮泰：第三個，這個app必須要非常好操作。"],["張委員嘉郡：我想這是院長跟本席共同的期待，所以部長您真的要加油啊！"],["黃部長彥男：會，沒問題……"],["張委員嘉郡：這個錢就好像撒了，十幾天就花了一千多萬，結果還沒有成果，搜尋到的全部都是色情廣告，這合適嗎？"],["黃部長彥男：報告委員，從5月到12月預計要發展……"],["張委員嘉郡：不好意思，因為我時間有限，接下來我想要再問一下地方建設。院長，我們斗六鐵道事故頻傳，到目前為止，今年9月2則、5月好幾條人命都沒了，所以針對斗六鐵路高架化一案，本席今年也邀請會勘多次，最終已經解決了曲率半徑、效益評估跟臨時平交道的三大關卡，讓斗六鐵路高架化可以敗部復活，這是斗六人已經期盼了二、三十年的夢。","但是院長，真的很需要您的幫忙，因為縣府把這個案子可行性評估送出去之後，已經4個月了，到目前為止都還沒有審查，所以是不是可以拜託院長指示交通部儘速的開審查委員會？因為這個審查拖一天，就有越多人民的生命受到威脅。請問一下，這個審查期程大概還要多久，部長您可以回答嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：目前我們已經送到部了，鐵道局已經送到交通部了，我們交通部最近會來開審查會議。"],["張委員嘉郡：最近是大概多久？"],["陳部長世凱：我要跟內部再討論一下。"],["張委員嘉郡：是一個禮拜、三個禮拜還是三個月？"],["陳部長世凱：我跟內部來討論一下。"],["張委員嘉郡：儘速好不好？因為你加快期程，是在保障我們這些人民的行車安全啊！我也想舉一個例子，過去潮州鐵路……","希望可以加速，儘速來審查，包括高鐵，現在雲林高鐵一票難求，除了加班之外，整個高鐵大塞車，希望可以開一個後門，西側再開一個門擴站才有辦法，否則整個都回堵非常的嚴重，拜託部長、拜託院長，謝謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝張嘉郡委員質詢，謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長的備詢。","報告院會，現在在議場2樓旁聽的是來自南投縣南投市永興社區發展協會，熱情歡迎。","接下來請登記第3位柯志恩委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":34,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-5","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-10-18"],"gazette_id":"1138101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138101_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第5次會議紀錄","content":"報告事項","agenda_id":"1138101_00001"}}}