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00:01:55,077\n謝謝謝謝關心我們花蓮的災後重建但是本席不知道你是真的有沒有看到問題因為還是你只是走馬看花聽聽地方官員給你的看似認真的簡報做做樣子呢因為對我們花蓮人來講現在最重要的問題是要如何活下去因為仰賴我們觀光產業發展的城市因為這個天災各行各業都已經變成了產業真的是棲產的產業\n\n4\n00:01:58,732 --> 00:02:19,740\n那我想要請問一下院長還有部長那院長和部長請問一下花蓮平常是不是經常發生地震?花蓮是屬於地震頻傳的區域之一那花蓮是不是常常都是一直在發生地震?你們有這樣感覺嗎?餘震的狀況應該是很頻繁\n\n5\n00:02:21,621 --> 00:02:48,658\n那現在問題就來了就是說那我再請問一下電視的新聞台在花蓮0403地震發生以前喔會不會一直這樣播放花蓮地震的跑馬燈呢那你知道我為什麼沒有地震的發生當然媒體是不會去有這個訊息來報導的好其實好院長其實不是這個樣子你知道我為什麼要這樣問嗎因為花蓮的好多的鄉親都跟我反映說尤其是我們\n\n6\n00:02:49,719 --> 00:03:17,276\n在花蓮鄉親的群組上面大家都說三不五時就收到地震的警報有的時候只是一個完全沒有影響到民生和交通的小小地震各家的新聞都是一直在報導而且最後反而是其他縣市的親友都會讓每一個人都感覺人心惶惶甚至比我們花蓮人更害怕更緊張然後都跑來關心花蓮人但是老實說太過頻繁還有非必要的\n\n7\n00:03:17,796 --> 00:03:17,836\n﹚林憶君\n\n8\n00:03:36,690 --> 00:04:02,488\n因為花蓮的光光還沒有死其實人都已經快嚇死了那我們怎麼樣振興花蓮的光光呢因為大家都不敢來了啊其實在面對地震的時候應該要教育民眾要怎麼樣的臨危不亂反而這個是比較重要的結果現在大小地震都放大報導搞到最後都變成唯恐天下不亂而且現在你看打開電視台\n\n9\n00:04:03,809 --> 00:04:23,985\n都一直播花蓮地震的速報為什麼每次一個地震開始的時候各家新聞台的跑馬燈就一直在出現一直在出現一直跑跑到人民的心都慌了跑到大家都真的都不敢到花蓮來旅遊了那院長你知道我們花蓮人心裡其實真的是苦到苦到說不出口了嗎\n\n10\n00:04:26,927 --> 00:04:48,502\n地震的預報或是這個報導應該不會侷限是花蓮地區啦況且我們的地震中心或是我們的氣象署他都有法定的職權跟義務必須在一定的程度必須讓全民知道這樣的資訊所以我是希望說讓大家知道這個權利要維護但知道的時候要告訴大家知而不亂\n\n11\n00:04:49,767 --> 00:04:54,410\n但是你知道前幾天才發生,前幾天發生的時候,二級、一級也是在登啊,我們花蓮其實對這種地震,其實覺得二級、一級根本沒有什麼,但是電視的跑馬燈就一直登啊,那誰敢來花蓮啊,每次的鎮壓都是在花蓮。\n\n12\n00:05:06,977 --> 00:05:33,728\n而且我是想要拜託拜託院長還有NCC可不可以開始請各家新聞台都要自律呢而且你們這地震的警報也要分等級啊你現在二級也在登然後每天都是看到花蓮地震這誰敢來啊我們現在每一個人都是對花蓮沒有信心欸他們都不敢來欸因為他每次都覺得鎮壓一定會是在花蓮然後一看其實只有二級還有三級\n\n13\n00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:51,588\n前幾天就發生了啊但是那個新聞台就是跑馬燈一直在跑啊所以我覺得這樣不只自己嚇自己而且是嚇死全國的民眾而且造成全國的民眾的恐慌尤其是大家真的對花蓮都沒有信心了\n\n14\n00:05:52,368 --> 00:06:10,194\n當然啦,剛才院長有說,所以其實我也感謝各個新聞台對花蓮的地區的關心,但是這個東西是已經太過關心了,反而產生一個無形的壓力,也讓我們全國的民眾無形中產生了一個叫做花蓮隨時都在地震的標籤化。\n\n15\n00:06:12,936 --> 00:06:41,455\n這個標籤話會讓大家都不敢來所以我們將心比心嘛行政院或NCC是否可以建議媒體開始減少全國民眾對花蓮地區的恐懼如果是這樣像院長每個月都到花蓮你也是希望說我們的災後重建還有振興要有一個上升一個非常大的幫助所以我覺得這個或許真的是你們要研議一下是不是要怎麼樣讓大家對花蓮有信心\n\n16\n00:06:42,915 --> 00:07:10,085\n請委員理解行政院應該是沒有辦法要求媒體掃報哪一些內容那NCC可以去處理啊我一直要求氣象署在針對各項的預警預告的過程當中要更精確更精準這個是我們花蓮鄉親的問題每一個人都跟我反應每一個群組都說這是要嚇死人嗎我們花蓮現在經濟那麼差了\n\n17\n00:07:11,085 --> 00:07:38,963\n氣象署他是不是有一定的公告預告的一個標準到達什麼標準他必須要向全民來揭露這樣我記得04、03在那之前的時候其實沒有像現在這個樣子其實氣象署齁他們只要有地震那必然就會做一個報告啦氣象署的動作一定是這個樣子所以我剛才已經講了嘛要分等級嘛對不對你們連二級一級你們也在也在也在這樣報氣象署的責任是只要有地震就要告訴民眾有地震\n\n18\n00:07:39,343 --> 00:07:43,425\n所以我現在也是代表我花蓮的鄉親來這邊講這些反映這些事情因為真的現在經濟都很差好我再來講第二個問題就是院長跟部長你們知道有關花蓮鐵路高價化的交通的問題嗎?\n\n19\n00:08:09,217 --> 00:08:28,853\n臺灣的東部的鐵路在花蓮市和吉安鄉市區就有7個平面的平交道穿越花蓮市和吉安鄉的鬧區所以這個已經引發民怨的不斷的民怨所以現在臺鐵花蓮站和吉安甘城站的高架工程其實這個蓋我想應該比蘇花安還簡單吧一定不會比蘇花安還難但是究竟何時可以規劃動工啊還是根本就是不想做啊\n\n20\n00:08:37,279 --> 00:09:01,756\n因為據我了解今年9月的27號鐵道局的計劃書已經送到交通部的本部了但是為什麼又石沉大海呢?音訊全無呢?那請問目前計劃書究竟是已經送到交通部了嗎?還是進度如何呢?那院長跟部長你現在是不是可以承諾本席馬上加速審核呢?因為據我了解\n\n21\n00:09:03,498 --> 00:09:17,333\n這個計畫書在政府機關其實來來回回已經修過好多次然後民眾都在等待多年的鐵路的高架化而且在去年112年的4月獲得前交通部長正面的回應了\n\n22\n00:09:17,873 --> 00:09:37,021\n同意將花東地區的鐵路雙軌電氣化計畫的工程納入花蓮站至甘城站有7個鐵路平交道的高架立體化辦理,而且並且他也答應了要全額的負擔,改善花蓮市7個鐵路平交道的立體化工程及吉安車站的\n\n23\n00:09:37,961 --> 00:09:40,362\n三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n\n24\n00:09:59,532 --> 00:10:25,938\n難道莫非新上任的陳部長你沒有想要黃牛了嗎?你不想兌現前任的支票了嗎?是不是又要欺騙我們花蓮人了?報告委員這個案子現在正在進行的是花東的鐵軌的軌道的這個雙軌電氣化這個部分一直在進行當中這個沒有什麼黃牛不黃牛的問題那您所提到的高價化的部分目前也正在審議當中目前國發會正在審議\n\n25\n00:10:28,396 --> 00:10:31,558\n那什麼時候可以好呢?國發會在審議,這個我沒辦法替他們回答。那你可能要幫我們追蹤一下吧?\n\n26\n00:10:38,966 --> 00:11:02,501\n我想院長其實那麼多個月都到花蓮其實非常充分了解花蓮還有東部的民眾雖然是一個小小的臺灣但是東西的交通是非常的不同的大部分的交通都是以西部為主我上一次質詢的時候也有說也有比較圖出來相對西部的時候我們花蓮的交通資源真的是嚴重的不足\n\n27\n00:11:03,061 --> 00:11:18,616\n所以這是我們花蓮民眾大家最痛也是最擔憂的尤其是花蓮在這幾次0403的大地震還有凱米風災還有山陀爾颱風之後那我們花蓮對外的交通中斷真的是變成孤城了啦所以我們現在看一下像東西的已經\n\n28\n00:11:20,157 --> 00:11:20,938\n災前、災時、災後的情況的比較。\n\n29\n00:11:39,890 --> 00:11:57,565\n所以災後的時候也會有管制然後還是不方便那我們是不是看這樣之後我們是不是要快一點要找一條有一條安全替代道路像舒花庵這樣是不是要快一點把它建造完成還是按照其程要如期完工呢?\n\n30\n00:11:58,286 --> 00:12:23,105\n沒有錯報告委員蘇哈安是我們按照期程也一步一步在推動我想這個蘇哈安如果完成之後對交通的改善我們是有所期待的只是我跟您一樣非常的遺憾每次重大工程進行到大家正在如火如荼的時候就來一場大雨來一個颱風讓我們很多要從復原復舊又開始這是我們共同遇到的大自然給我們的挑戰\n\n31\n00:12:23,505 --> 00:12:38,104\n我再請院長再看一下像我們東部的交通的便利性沒有一項勝過西部的現在以前本來上一次來比較的時候說什麼雙腳還可以翻山越嶺現在幾乎土石流之後連那種走的都沒有辦法過去\n\n32\n00:12:39,465 --> 00:13:03,493\n所以像執政者的交通建設,這對執政者的交通建設是不是一個諷刺呢?這對我們身為同樣是中華民國的國民情何以堪?尤其是在鐵路方面,東部沒有捷運也沒有高鐵,搭火車一票籃球,遇到風災整個都封閉。那院長請問一下花東鄉情除了公路、鐵路,還是不是還可以選擇飛機?\n\n33\n00:13:04,853 --> 00:13:05,554\n會員所說的是道路中斷的時候嗎?\n\n34\n00:13:35,316 --> 00:13:47,788\n遇到風災又是道路中斷的時候可能比較困難原因是這個樣子如果風災又道路中斷我原本的航空也不能飛船當然也不行因為有風災的時候颱風正在跑\n\n35\n00:13:49,770 --> 00:14:17,494\n然後一結束之後呢?因為萬一正好家裡有急事馬上要趕回去的時候呢?報告委員在上一次9月8號有一次也剛好因為遇到大雨所以道路中斷包含公路包含鐵路遇到土石流我們那個時候啟動了三個小時就啟動了一個輸運方案飛機馬上加班那另外就是往南回的鐵路我們馬上加班不但是南回運到輸運大家到高雄我們連高鐵的部分也都接得上\n\n36\n00:14:17,950 --> 00:14:39,428\n我們高鐵也加開班次,讓那個民眾可以從南部到北部去,所以3個小時的SOP我們在交通部已經建立了。所以你們已經做好SOP了就對了,是不是?沒有錯,這個部分我已經建立了。OK,但是我有看過你們的SOP,目前是有但是不完整,所以我是想說如何解決花蓮交通不便還有臨時發生交通中斷的時候,你那個吊派飛機,\n\n37\n00:14:40,469 --> 00:14:40,489\n二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50\n\n38\n00:15:05,353 --> 00:15:25,824\n報告委員您所說的A跟B計畫目前交通部正在努力當中就是航空跟海運的部分藍色公路的部分我也努力想要把它建立起來不過還在努力的過程但您所指的這個C計畫有關於國防部的派遣的部分大概交通部沒有辦法去指揮國防部的部分所以這個部分我大概不行那A跟B我正在努力\n\n39\n00:15:26,905 --> 00:15:27,546\n好謝謝林委員謝謝卓院長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n28234\t30655\t有請卓院長有請卓院長備詢林委員好你好你好還有請那個交通部的陳部長還有NCC喔抱歉抱歉那個NCC的綠美小弟的NCC的委法主委你就不用上台了我們等一下請卓院長等一下回答就好了\n62861\t87780\t院長看到本席你應該知道我想今天本席想要諮詢的重點是什麼了吧?花東或是護理的問題。是是,沒錯本席要繼續關心我們花蓮的觀光還有花蓮交通的問題。那院長首先我還是先感謝你啦,自從你上任之後真的都有遵守承諾。你每個月真的都有到花蓮來視察。我下禮拜還要去。\n90384\t115077\t謝謝謝謝關心我們花蓮的災後重建但是本席不知道你是真的有沒有看到問題因為還是你只是走馬看花聽聽地方官員給你的看似認真的簡報做做樣子呢因為對我們花蓮人來講現在最重要的問題是要如何活下去因為仰賴我們觀光產業發展的城市因為這個天災各行各業都已經變成了產業真的是棲產的產業\n118732\t139740\t那我想要請問一下院長還有部長那院長和部長請問一下花蓮平常是不是經常發生地震?花蓮是屬於地震頻傳的區域之一那花蓮是不是常常都是一直在發生地震?你們有這樣感覺嗎?餘震的狀況應該是很頻繁\n141621\t168658\t那現在問題就來了就是說那我再請問一下電視的新聞台在花蓮0403地震發生以前喔會不會一直這樣播放花蓮地震的跑馬燈呢那你知道我為什麼沒有地震的發生當然媒體是不會去有這個訊息來報導的好其實好院長其實不是這個樣子你知道我為什麼要這樣問嗎因為花蓮的好多的鄉親都跟我反映說尤其是我們\n169719\t197276\t在花蓮鄉親的群組上面大家都說三不五時就收到地震的警報有的時候只是一個完全沒有影響到民生和交通的小小地震各家的新聞都是一直在報導而且最後反而是其他縣市的親友都會讓每一個人都感覺人心惶惶甚至比我們花蓮人更害怕更緊張然後都跑來關心花蓮人但是老實說太過頻繁還有非必要的\n197796\t197836\t﹚林憶君\n216690\t242488\t因為花蓮的光光還沒有死 其實人都已經快嚇死了那我們怎麼樣振興花蓮的光光呢 因為大家都不敢來了啊其實在面對地震的時候 應該要教育民眾要怎麼樣的臨危不亂反而這個是比較重要的 結果現在大小地震都放大報導搞到最後都變成唯恐天下不亂 而且現在你看打開電視台\n243809\t263985\t都一直播花蓮地震的速報為什麼每次一個地震開始的時候各家新聞台的跑馬燈就一直在出現一直在出現一直跑跑到人民的心都慌了跑到大家都真的都不敢到花蓮來旅遊了那院長你知道我們花蓮人心裡其實真的是苦到苦到說不出口了嗎\n266927\t288502\t地震的預報或是這個報導應該不會侷限是花蓮地區啦況且我們的地震中心或是我們的氣象署他都有法定的職權跟義務必須在一定的程度必須讓全民知道這樣的資訊所以我是希望說讓大家知道這個權利要維護但知道的時候要告訴大家知而不亂\n289767\t294410\t但是你知道前幾天才發生,前幾天發生的時候,二級、一級也是在登啊,我們花蓮其實對這種地震,其實覺得二級、一級根本沒有什麼,但是電視的跑馬燈就一直登啊,那誰敢來花蓮啊,每次的鎮壓都是在花蓮。\n306977\t333728\t而且我是想要拜託拜託院長還有NCC可不可以開始請各家新聞台都要自律呢而且你們這地震的警報也要分等級啊你現在二級也在登然後每天都是看到花蓮地震這誰敢來啊我們現在每一個人都是對花蓮沒有信心欸他們都不敢來欸因為他每次都覺得鎮壓一定會是在花蓮然後一看其實只有二級還有三級\n335199\t351588\t前幾天就發生了啊但是那個新聞台就是跑馬燈一直在跑啊所以我覺得這樣不只自己嚇自己而且是嚇死全國的民眾而且造成全國的民眾的恐慌尤其是大家真的對花蓮都沒有信心了\n352368\t370194\t當然啦,剛才院長有說,所以其實我也感謝各個新聞台對花蓮的地區的關心,但是這個東西是已經太過關心了,反而產生一個無形的壓力,也讓我們全國的民眾無形中產生了一個叫做花蓮隨時都在地震的標籤化。\n372936\t401455\t這個標籤話會讓大家都不敢來所以我們將心比心嘛行政院或NCC是否可以建議媒體開始減少全國民眾對花蓮地區的恐懼如果是這樣像院長每個月都到花蓮你也是希望說我們的災後重建還有振興要有一個上升一個非常大的幫助所以我覺得這個或許真的是你們要研議一下是不是要怎麼樣讓大家對花蓮有信心\n402915\t430085\t請委員理解行政院應該是沒有辦法要求媒體掃報哪一些內容那NCC可以去處理啊我一直要求氣象署在針對各項的預警預告的過程當中要更精確更精準這個是我們花蓮鄉親的問題每一個人都跟我反應每一個群組都說這是要嚇死人嗎我們花蓮現在經濟那麼差了\n431085\t458963\t氣象署他是不是有一定的公告預告的一個標準到達什麼標準他必須要向全民來揭露這樣我記得04、03在那之前的時候其實沒有像現在這個樣子其實氣象署齁他們只要有地震那必然就會做一個報告啦氣象署的動作一定是這個樣子所以我剛才已經講了嘛要分等級嘛對不對你們連二級一級你們也在也在也在這樣報氣象署的責任是只要有地震就要告訴民眾有地震\n459343\t463425\t所以我現在也是代表我花蓮的鄉親來這邊講這些反映這些事情因為真的現在經濟都很差好我再來講第二個問題就是院長跟部長你們知道有關花蓮鐵路高價化的交通的問題嗎?\n489217\t508853\t臺灣的東部的鐵路在花蓮市和吉安鄉市區就有7個平面的平交道穿越花蓮市和吉安鄉的鬧區所以這個已經引發民怨的不斷的民怨所以現在臺鐵花蓮站和吉安甘城站的高架工程其實這個蓋我想應該比蘇花安還簡單吧一定不會比蘇花安還難但是究竟何時可以規劃動工啊還是根本就是不想做啊\n517279\t541756\t因為據我了解今年9月的27號鐵道局的計劃書已經送到交通部的本部了但是為什麼又石沉大海呢?音訊全無呢?那請問目前計劃書究竟是已經送到交通部了嗎?還是進度如何呢?那院長跟部長你現在是不是可以承諾本席馬上加速審核呢?因為據我了解\n543498\t557333\t這個計畫書在政府機關其實來來回回已經修過好多次然後民眾都在等待多年的鐵路的高架化而且在去年112年的4月獲得前交通部長正面的回應了\n557873\t577021\t同意將花東地區的鐵路雙軌電氣化計畫的工程納入花蓮站至甘城站有7個鐵路平交道的高架立體化辦理,而且並且他也答應了要全額的負擔,改善花蓮市7個鐵路平交道的立體化工程及吉安車站的\n577961\t580362\t三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n599532\t625938\t難道莫非新上任的陳部長你沒有想要黃牛了嗎?你不想兌現前任的支票了嗎?是不是又要欺騙我們花蓮人了?報告委員這個案子現在正在進行的是花東的鐵軌的軌道的這個雙軌電氣化這個部分一直在進行當中這個沒有什麼黃牛不黃牛的問題那您所提到的高價化的部分目前也正在審議當中目前國發會正在審議\n628396\t631558\t那什麼時候可以好呢?國發會在審議,這個我沒辦法替他們回答。那你可能要幫我們追蹤一下吧?\n638966\t662501\t我想院長其實那麼多個月都到花蓮其實非常充分了解花蓮還有東部的民眾雖然是一個小小的臺灣但是東西的交通是非常的不同的大部分的交通都是以西部為主我上一次質詢的時候也有說也有比較圖出來相對西部的時候我們花蓮的交通資源真的是嚴重的不足\n663061\t678616\t所以這是我們花蓮民眾大家最痛也是最擔憂的尤其是花蓮在這幾次0403的大地震還有凱米風災還有山陀爾颱風之後那我們花蓮對外的交通中斷真的是變成孤城了啦所以我們現在看一下像東西的已經\n680157\t680938\t災前、災時、災後的情況的比較。\n699890\t717565\t所以災後的時候也會有管制然後還是不方便那我們是不是看這樣之後我們是不是要快一點要找一條有一條安全替代道路像舒花庵這樣是不是要快一點把它建造完成還是按照其程要如期完工呢?\n718286\t743105\t沒有錯 報告委員 蘇哈安是我們按照期程也一步一步在推動我想這個蘇哈安如果完成之後對交通的改善我們是有所期待的只是我跟您一樣非常的遺憾每次重大工程進行到大家正在如火如荼的時候就來一場大雨來一個颱風讓我們很多要從復原復舊又開始這是我們共同遇到的大自然給我們的挑戰\n743505\t758104\t我再請院長再看一下像我們東部的交通的便利性沒有一項勝過西部的現在以前本來上一次來比較的時候說什麼雙腳還可以翻山越嶺現在幾乎土石流之後連那種走的都沒有辦法過去\n759465\t783493\t所以像執政者的交通建設,這對執政者的交通建設是不是一個諷刺呢?這對我們身為同樣是中華民國的國民情何以堪?尤其是在鐵路方面,東部沒有捷運也沒有高鐵,搭火車一票籃球,遇到風災整個都封閉。那院長請問一下花東鄉情除了公路、鐵路,還是不是還可以選擇飛機?\n784853\t785554\t會員所說的是道路中斷的時候嗎?\n815316\t827788\t遇到風災又是道路中斷的時候可能比較困難原因是這個樣子如果風災又道路中斷我原本的航空也不能飛船當然也不行因為有風災的時候颱風正在跑\n829770\t857494\t然後一結束之後呢?因為萬一正好家裡有急事馬上要趕回去的時候呢?報告委員在上一次9月8號有一次也剛好因為遇到大雨所以道路中斷包含公路包含鐵路遇到土石流我們那個時候啟動了三個小時就啟動了一個輸運方案飛機馬上加班那另外就是往南回的鐵路我們馬上加班不但是南回運到輸運大家到高雄我們連高鐵的部分也都接得上\n857950\t879428\t我們高鐵也加開班次,讓那個民眾可以從南部到北部去,所以3個小時的SOP我們在交通部已經建立了。所以你們已經做好SOP了就對了,是不是?沒有錯,這個部分我已經建立了。OK,但是我有看過你們的SOP,目前是有但是不完整,所以我是想說如何解決花蓮交通不便還有臨時發生交通中斷的時候,你那個吊派飛機,\n880469\t880489\t二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50\n905353\t925824\t報告委員您所說的A跟B計畫目前交通部正在努力當中就是航空跟海運的部分藍色公路的部分我也努力想要把它建立起來不過還在努力的過程但您所指的這個C計畫有關於國防部的派遣的部分大概交通部沒有辦法去指揮國防部的部分所以這個部分我大概不行那A跟B我正在努力\n926905\t927546\t好 謝謝林委員 謝謝卓院長\n","txt":"有請卓院長有請卓院長備詢林委員好你好你好還有請那個交通部的陳部長還有NCC喔抱歉抱歉那個NCC的綠美小弟的NCC的委法主委你就不用上台了我們等一下請卓院長等一下回答就好了\n院長看到本席你應該知道我想今天本席想要諮詢的重點是什麼了吧?花東或是護理的問題。是是,沒錯本席要繼續關心我們花蓮的觀光還有花蓮交通的問題。那院長首先我還是先感謝你啦,自從你上任之後真的都有遵守承諾。你每個月真的都有到花蓮來視察。我下禮拜還要去。\n謝謝謝謝關心我們花蓮的災後重建但是本席不知道你是真的有沒有看到問題因為還是你只是走馬看花聽聽地方官員給你的看似認真的簡報做做樣子呢因為對我們花蓮人來講現在最重要的問題是要如何活下去因為仰賴我們觀光產業發展的城市因為這個天災各行各業都已經變成了產業真的是棲產的產業\n那我想要請問一下院長還有部長那院長和部長請問一下花蓮平常是不是經常發生地震?花蓮是屬於地震頻傳的區域之一那花蓮是不是常常都是一直在發生地震?你們有這樣感覺嗎?餘震的狀況應該是很頻繁\n那現在問題就來了就是說那我再請問一下電視的新聞台在花蓮0403地震發生以前喔會不會一直這樣播放花蓮地震的跑馬燈呢那你知道我為什麼沒有地震的發生當然媒體是不會去有這個訊息來報導的好其實好院長其實不是這個樣子你知道我為什麼要這樣問嗎因為花蓮的好多的鄉親都跟我反映說尤其是我們\n在花蓮鄉親的群組上面大家都說三不五時就收到地震的警報有的時候只是一個完全沒有影響到民生和交通的小小地震各家的新聞都是一直在報導而且最後反而是其他縣市的親友都會讓每一個人都感覺人心惶惶甚至比我們花蓮人更害怕更緊張然後都跑來關心花蓮人但是老實說太過頻繁還有非必要的\n﹚林憶君\n因為花蓮的光光還沒有死 其實人都已經快嚇死了那我們怎麼樣振興花蓮的光光呢 因為大家都不敢來了啊其實在面對地震的時候 應該要教育民眾要怎麼樣的臨危不亂反而這個是比較重要的 結果現在大小地震都放大報導搞到最後都變成唯恐天下不亂 而且現在你看打開電視台\n都一直播花蓮地震的速報為什麼每次一個地震開始的時候各家新聞台的跑馬燈就一直在出現一直在出現一直跑跑到人民的心都慌了跑到大家都真的都不敢到花蓮來旅遊了那院長你知道我們花蓮人心裡其實真的是苦到苦到說不出口了嗎\n地震的預報或是這個報導應該不會侷限是花蓮地區啦況且我們的地震中心或是我們的氣象署他都有法定的職權跟義務必須在一定的程度必須讓全民知道這樣的資訊所以我是希望說讓大家知道這個權利要維護但知道的時候要告訴大家知而不亂\n但是你知道前幾天才發生,前幾天發生的時候,二級、一級也是在登啊,我們花蓮其實對這種地震,其實覺得二級、一級根本沒有什麼,但是電視的跑馬燈就一直登啊,那誰敢來花蓮啊,每次的鎮壓都是在花蓮。\n而且我是想要拜託拜託院長還有NCC可不可以開始請各家新聞台都要自律呢而且你們這地震的警報也要分等級啊你現在二級也在登然後每天都是看到花蓮地震這誰敢來啊我們現在每一個人都是對花蓮沒有信心欸他們都不敢來欸因為他每次都覺得鎮壓一定會是在花蓮然後一看其實只有二級還有三級\n前幾天就發生了啊但是那個新聞台就是跑馬燈一直在跑啊所以我覺得這樣不只自己嚇自己而且是嚇死全國的民眾而且造成全國的民眾的恐慌尤其是大家真的對花蓮都沒有信心了\n當然啦,剛才院長有說,所以其實我也感謝各個新聞台對花蓮的地區的關心,但是這個東西是已經太過關心了,反而產生一個無形的壓力,也讓我們全國的民眾無形中產生了一個叫做花蓮隨時都在地震的標籤化。\n這個標籤話會讓大家都不敢來所以我們將心比心嘛行政院或NCC是否可以建議媒體開始減少全國民眾對花蓮地區的恐懼如果是這樣像院長每個月都到花蓮你也是希望說我們的災後重建還有振興要有一個上升一個非常大的幫助所以我覺得這個或許真的是你們要研議一下是不是要怎麼樣讓大家對花蓮有信心\n請委員理解行政院應該是沒有辦法要求媒體掃報哪一些內容那NCC可以去處理啊我一直要求氣象署在針對各項的預警預告的過程當中要更精確更精準這個是我們花蓮鄉親的問題每一個人都跟我反應每一個群組都說這是要嚇死人嗎我們花蓮現在經濟那麼差了\n氣象署他是不是有一定的公告預告的一個標準到達什麼標準他必須要向全民來揭露這樣我記得04、03在那之前的時候其實沒有像現在這個樣子其實氣象署齁他們只要有地震那必然就會做一個報告啦氣象署的動作一定是這個樣子所以我剛才已經講了嘛要分等級嘛對不對你們連二級一級你們也在也在也在這樣報氣象署的責任是只要有地震就要告訴民眾有地震\n所以我現在也是代表我花蓮的鄉親來這邊講這些反映這些事情因為真的現在經濟都很差好我再來講第二個問題就是院長跟部長你們知道有關花蓮鐵路高價化的交通的問題嗎?\n臺灣的東部的鐵路在花蓮市和吉安鄉市區就有7個平面的平交道穿越花蓮市和吉安鄉的鬧區所以這個已經引發民怨的不斷的民怨所以現在臺鐵花蓮站和吉安甘城站的高架工程其實這個蓋我想應該比蘇花安還簡單吧一定不會比蘇花安還難但是究竟何時可以規劃動工啊還是根本就是不想做啊\n因為據我了解今年9月的27號鐵道局的計劃書已經送到交通部的本部了但是為什麼又石沉大海呢?音訊全無呢?那請問目前計劃書究竟是已經送到交通部了嗎?還是進度如何呢?那院長跟部長你現在是不是可以承諾本席馬上加速審核呢?因為據我了解\n這個計畫書在政府機關其實來來回回已經修過好多次然後民眾都在等待多年的鐵路的高架化而且在去年112年的4月獲得前交通部長正面的回應了\n同意將花東地區的鐵路雙軌電氣化計畫的工程納入花蓮站至甘城站有7個鐵路平交道的高架立體化辦理,而且並且他也答應了要全額的負擔,改善花蓮市7個鐵路平交道的立體化工程及吉安車站的\n三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n難道莫非新上任的陳部長你沒有想要黃牛了嗎?你不想兌現前任的支票了嗎?是不是又要欺騙我們花蓮人了?報告委員這個案子現在正在進行的是花東的鐵軌的軌道的這個雙軌電氣化這個部分一直在進行當中這個沒有什麼黃牛不黃牛的問題那您所提到的高價化的部分目前也正在審議當中目前國發會正在審議\n那什麼時候可以好呢?國發會在審議,這個我沒辦法替他們回答。那你可能要幫我們追蹤一下吧?\n我想院長其實那麼多個月都到花蓮其實非常充分了解花蓮還有東部的民眾雖然是一個小小的臺灣但是東西的交通是非常的不同的大部分的交通都是以西部為主我上一次質詢的時候也有說也有比較圖出來相對西部的時候我們花蓮的交通資源真的是嚴重的不足\n所以這是我們花蓮民眾大家最痛也是最擔憂的尤其是花蓮在這幾次0403的大地震還有凱米風災還有山陀爾颱風之後那我們花蓮對外的交通中斷真的是變成孤城了啦所以我們現在看一下像東西的已經\n災前、災時、災後的情況的比較。\n所以災後的時候也會有管制然後還是不方便那我們是不是看這樣之後我們是不是要快一點要找一條有一條安全替代道路像舒花庵這樣是不是要快一點把它建造完成還是按照其程要如期完工呢?\n沒有錯 報告委員 蘇哈安是我們按照期程也一步一步在推動我想這個蘇哈安如果完成之後對交通的改善我們是有所期待的只是我跟您一樣非常的遺憾每次重大工程進行到大家正在如火如荼的時候就來一場大雨來一個颱風讓我們很多要從復原復舊又開始這是我們共同遇到的大自然給我們的挑戰\n我再請院長再看一下像我們東部的交通的便利性沒有一項勝過西部的現在以前本來上一次來比較的時候說什麼雙腳還可以翻山越嶺現在幾乎土石流之後連那種走的都沒有辦法過去\n所以像執政者的交通建設,這對執政者的交通建設是不是一個諷刺呢?這對我們身為同樣是中華民國的國民情何以堪?尤其是在鐵路方面,東部沒有捷運也沒有高鐵,搭火車一票籃球,遇到風災整個都封閉。那院長請問一下花東鄉情除了公路、鐵路,還是不是還可以選擇飛機?\n會員所說的是道路中斷的時候嗎?\n遇到風災又是道路中斷的時候可能比較困難原因是這個樣子如果風災又道路中斷我原本的航空也不能飛船當然也不行因為有風災的時候颱風正在跑\n然後一結束之後呢?因為萬一正好家裡有急事馬上要趕回去的時候呢?報告委員在上一次9月8號有一次也剛好因為遇到大雨所以道路中斷包含公路包含鐵路遇到土石流我們那個時候啟動了三個小時就啟動了一個輸運方案飛機馬上加班那另外就是往南回的鐵路我們馬上加班不但是南回運到輸運大家到高雄我們連高鐵的部分也都接得上\n我們高鐵也加開班次,讓那個民眾可以從南部到北部去,所以3個小時的SOP我們在交通部已經建立了。所以你們已經做好SOP了就對了,是不是?沒有錯,這個部分我已經建立了。OK,但是我有看過你們的SOP,目前是有但是不完整,所以我是想說如何解決花蓮交通不便還有臨時發生交通中斷的時候,你那個吊派飛機,\n二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50\n報告委員您所說的A跟B計畫目前交通部正在努力當中就是航空跟海運的部分藍色公路的部分我也努力想要把它建立起來不過還在努力的過程但您所指的這個C計畫有關於國防部的派遣的部分大概交通部沒有辦法去指揮國防部的部分所以這個部分我大概不行那A跟B我正在努力\n好 謝謝林委員 謝謝卓院長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:28.234 --> 00:30.655\n有請卓院長有請卓院長備詢林委員好你好你好還有請那個交通部的陳部長還有NCC喔抱歉抱歉那個NCC的綠美小弟的NCC的委法主委你就不用上台了我們等一下請卓院長等一下回答就好了\n\n01:02.861 --> 01:27.780\n院長看到本席你應該知道我想今天本席想要諮詢的重點是什麼了吧?花東或是護理的問題。是是,沒錯本席要繼續關心我們花蓮的觀光還有花蓮交通的問題。那院長首先我還是先感謝你啦,自從你上任之後真的都有遵守承諾。你每個月真的都有到花蓮來視察。我下禮拜還要去。\n\n01:30.384 --> 01:55.077\n謝謝謝謝關心我們花蓮的災後重建但是本席不知道你是真的有沒有看到問題因為還是你只是走馬看花聽聽地方官員給你的看似認真的簡報做做樣子呢因為對我們花蓮人來講現在最重要的問題是要如何活下去因為仰賴我們觀光產業發展的城市因為這個天災各行各業都已經變成了產業真的是棲產的產業\n\n01:58.732 --> 02:19.740\n那我想要請問一下院長還有部長那院長和部長請問一下花蓮平常是不是經常發生地震?花蓮是屬於地震頻傳的區域之一那花蓮是不是常常都是一直在發生地震?你們有這樣感覺嗎?餘震的狀況應該是很頻繁\n\n02:21.621 --> 02:48.658\n那現在問題就來了就是說那我再請問一下電視的新聞台在花蓮0403地震發生以前喔會不會一直這樣播放花蓮地震的跑馬燈呢那你知道我為什麼沒有地震的發生當然媒體是不會去有這個訊息來報導的好其實好院長其實不是這個樣子你知道我為什麼要這樣問嗎因為花蓮的好多的鄉親都跟我反映說尤其是我們\n\n02:49.719 --> 03:17.276\n在花蓮鄉親的群組上面大家都說三不五時就收到地震的警報有的時候只是一個完全沒有影響到民生和交通的小小地震各家的新聞都是一直在報導而且最後反而是其他縣市的親友都會讓每一個人都感覺人心惶惶甚至比我們花蓮人更害怕更緊張然後都跑來關心花蓮人但是老實說太過頻繁還有非必要的\n\n03:17.796 --> 03:17.836\n﹚林憶君\n\n03:36.690 --> 04:02.488\n因為花蓮的光光還沒有死其實人都已經快嚇死了那我們怎麼樣振興花蓮的光光呢因為大家都不敢來了啊其實在面對地震的時候應該要教育民眾要怎麼樣的臨危不亂反而這個是比較重要的結果現在大小地震都放大報導搞到最後都變成唯恐天下不亂而且現在你看打開電視台\n\n04:03.809 --> 04:23.985\n都一直播花蓮地震的速報為什麼每次一個地震開始的時候各家新聞台的跑馬燈就一直在出現一直在出現一直跑跑到人民的心都慌了跑到大家都真的都不敢到花蓮來旅遊了那院長你知道我們花蓮人心裡其實真的是苦到苦到說不出口了嗎\n\n04:26.927 --> 04:48.502\n地震的預報或是這個報導應該不會侷限是花蓮地區啦況且我們的地震中心或是我們的氣象署他都有法定的職權跟義務必須在一定的程度必須讓全民知道這樣的資訊所以我是希望說讓大家知道這個權利要維護但知道的時候要告訴大家知而不亂\n\n04:49.767 --> 04:54.410\n但是你知道前幾天才發生,前幾天發生的時候,二級、一級也是在登啊,我們花蓮其實對這種地震,其實覺得二級、一級根本沒有什麼,但是電視的跑馬燈就一直登啊,那誰敢來花蓮啊,每次的鎮壓都是在花蓮。\n\n05:06.977 --> 05:33.728\n而且我是想要拜託拜託院長還有NCC可不可以開始請各家新聞台都要自律呢而且你們這地震的警報也要分等級啊你現在二級也在登然後每天都是看到花蓮地震這誰敢來啊我們現在每一個人都是對花蓮沒有信心欸他們都不敢來欸因為他每次都覺得鎮壓一定會是在花蓮然後一看其實只有二級還有三級\n\n05:35.199 --> 05:51.588\n前幾天就發生了啊但是那個新聞台就是跑馬燈一直在跑啊所以我覺得這樣不只自己嚇自己而且是嚇死全國的民眾而且造成全國的民眾的恐慌尤其是大家真的對花蓮都沒有信心了\n\n05:52.368 --> 06:10.194\n當然啦,剛才院長有說,所以其實我也感謝各個新聞台對花蓮的地區的關心,但是這個東西是已經太過關心了,反而產生一個無形的壓力,也讓我們全國的民眾無形中產生了一個叫做花蓮隨時都在地震的標籤化。\n\n06:12.936 --> 06:41.455\n這個標籤話會讓大家都不敢來所以我們將心比心嘛行政院或NCC是否可以建議媒體開始減少全國民眾對花蓮地區的恐懼如果是這樣像院長每個月都到花蓮你也是希望說我們的災後重建還有振興要有一個上升一個非常大的幫助所以我覺得這個或許真的是你們要研議一下是不是要怎麼樣讓大家對花蓮有信心\n\n06:42.915 --> 07:10.085\n請委員理解行政院應該是沒有辦法要求媒體掃報哪一些內容那NCC可以去處理啊我一直要求氣象署在針對各項的預警預告的過程當中要更精確更精準這個是我們花蓮鄉親的問題每一個人都跟我反應每一個群組都說這是要嚇死人嗎我們花蓮現在經濟那麼差了\n\n07:11.085 --> 07:38.963\n氣象署他是不是有一定的公告預告的一個標準到達什麼標準他必須要向全民來揭露這樣我記得04、03在那之前的時候其實沒有像現在這個樣子其實氣象署齁他們只要有地震那必然就會做一個報告啦氣象署的動作一定是這個樣子所以我剛才已經講了嘛要分等級嘛對不對你們連二級一級你們也在也在也在這樣報氣象署的責任是只要有地震就要告訴民眾有地震\n\n07:39.343 --> 07:43.425\n所以我現在也是代表我花蓮的鄉親來這邊講這些反映這些事情因為真的現在經濟都很差好我再來講第二個問題就是院長跟部長你們知道有關花蓮鐵路高價化的交通的問題嗎?\n\n08:09.217 --> 08:28.853\n臺灣的東部的鐵路在花蓮市和吉安鄉市區就有7個平面的平交道穿越花蓮市和吉安鄉的鬧區所以這個已經引發民怨的不斷的民怨所以現在臺鐵花蓮站和吉安甘城站的高架工程其實這個蓋我想應該比蘇花安還簡單吧一定不會比蘇花安還難但是究竟何時可以規劃動工啊還是根本就是不想做啊\n\n08:37.279 --> 09:01.756\n因為據我了解今年9月的27號鐵道局的計劃書已經送到交通部的本部了但是為什麼又石沉大海呢?音訊全無呢?那請問目前計劃書究竟是已經送到交通部了嗎?還是進度如何呢?那院長跟部長你現在是不是可以承諾本席馬上加速審核呢?因為據我了解\n\n09:03.498 --> 09:17.333\n這個計畫書在政府機關其實來來回回已經修過好多次然後民眾都在等待多年的鐵路的高架化而且在去年112年的4月獲得前交通部長正面的回應了\n\n09:17.873 --> 09:37.021\n同意將花東地區的鐵路雙軌電氣化計畫的工程納入花蓮站至甘城站有7個鐵路平交道的高架立體化辦理,而且並且他也答應了要全額的負擔,改善花蓮市7個鐵路平交道的立體化工程及吉安車站的\n\n09:37.961 --> 09:40.362\n三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n\n09:59.532 --> 10:25.938\n難道莫非新上任的陳部長你沒有想要黃牛了嗎?你不想兌現前任的支票了嗎?是不是又要欺騙我們花蓮人了?報告委員這個案子現在正在進行的是花東的鐵軌的軌道的這個雙軌電氣化這個部分一直在進行當中這個沒有什麼黃牛不黃牛的問題那您所提到的高價化的部分目前也正在審議當中目前國發會正在審議\n\n10:28.396 --> 10:31.558\n那什麼時候可以好呢?國發會在審議,這個我沒辦法替他們回答。那你可能要幫我們追蹤一下吧?\n\n10:38.966 --> 11:02.501\n我想院長其實那麼多個月都到花蓮其實非常充分了解花蓮還有東部的民眾雖然是一個小小的臺灣但是東西的交通是非常的不同的大部分的交通都是以西部為主我上一次質詢的時候也有說也有比較圖出來相對西部的時候我們花蓮的交通資源真的是嚴重的不足\n\n11:03.061 --> 11:18.616\n所以這是我們花蓮民眾大家最痛也是最擔憂的尤其是花蓮在這幾次0403的大地震還有凱米風災還有山陀爾颱風之後那我們花蓮對外的交通中斷真的是變成孤城了啦所以我們現在看一下像東西的已經\n\n11:20.157 --> 11:20.938\n災前、災時、災後的情況的比較。\n\n11:39.890 --> 11:57.565\n所以災後的時候也會有管制然後還是不方便那我們是不是看這樣之後我們是不是要快一點要找一條有一條安全替代道路像舒花庵這樣是不是要快一點把它建造完成還是按照其程要如期完工呢?\n\n11:58.286 --> 12:23.105\n沒有錯報告委員蘇哈安是我們按照期程也一步一步在推動我想這個蘇哈安如果完成之後對交通的改善我們是有所期待的只是我跟您一樣非常的遺憾每次重大工程進行到大家正在如火如荼的時候就來一場大雨來一個颱風讓我們很多要從復原復舊又開始這是我們共同遇到的大自然給我們的挑戰\n\n12:23.505 --> 12:38.104\n我再請院長再看一下像我們東部的交通的便利性沒有一項勝過西部的現在以前本來上一次來比較的時候說什麼雙腳還可以翻山越嶺現在幾乎土石流之後連那種走的都沒有辦法過去\n\n12:39.465 --> 13:03.493\n所以像執政者的交通建設,這對執政者的交通建設是不是一個諷刺呢?這對我們身為同樣是中華民國的國民情何以堪?尤其是在鐵路方面,東部沒有捷運也沒有高鐵,搭火車一票籃球,遇到風災整個都封閉。那院長請問一下花東鄉情除了公路、鐵路,還是不是還可以選擇飛機?\n\n13:04.853 --> 13:05.554\n會員所說的是道路中斷的時候嗎?\n\n13:35.316 --> 13:47.788\n遇到風災又是道路中斷的時候可能比較困難原因是這個樣子如果風災又道路中斷我原本的航空也不能飛船當然也不行因為有風災的時候颱風正在跑\n\n13:49.770 --> 14:17.494\n然後一結束之後呢?因為萬一正好家裡有急事馬上要趕回去的時候呢?報告委員在上一次9月8號有一次也剛好因為遇到大雨所以道路中斷包含公路包含鐵路遇到土石流我們那個時候啟動了三個小時就啟動了一個輸運方案飛機馬上加班那另外就是往南回的鐵路我們馬上加班不但是南回運到輸運大家到高雄我們連高鐵的部分也都接得上\n\n14:17.950 --> 14:39.428\n我們高鐵也加開班次,讓那個民眾可以從南部到北部去,所以3個小時的SOP我們在交通部已經建立了。所以你們已經做好SOP了就對了,是不是?沒有錯,這個部分我已經建立了。OK,但是我有看過你們的SOP,目前是有但是不完整,所以我是想說如何解決花蓮交通不便還有臨時發生交通中斷的時候,你那個吊派飛機,\n\n14:40.469 --> 14:40.489\n二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50\n\n15:05.353 --> 15:25.824\n報告委員您所說的A跟B計畫目前交通部正在努力當中就是航空跟海運的部分藍色公路的部分我也努力想要把它建立起來不過還在努力的過程但您所指的這個C計畫有關於國防部的派遣的部分大概交通部沒有辦法去指揮國防部的部分所以這個部分我大概不行那A跟B我正在努力\n\n15:26.905 --> 15:27.546\n好謝謝林委員謝謝卓院長\n\n","segments":[{"start":28.234,"end":30.655,"text":"有請卓院長有請卓院長備詢林委員好你好你好還有請那個交通部的陳部長還有NCC喔抱歉抱歉那個NCC的綠美小弟的NCC的委法主委你就不用上台了我們等一下請卓院長等一下回答就好了"},{"start":62.861,"end":87.78,"text":"院長看到本席你應該知道我想今天本席想要諮詢的重點是什麼了吧?花東或是護理的問題。是是,沒錯本席要繼續關心我們花蓮的觀光還有花蓮交通的問題。那院長首先我還是先感謝你啦,自從你上任之後真的都有遵守承諾。你每個月真的都有到花蓮來視察。我下禮拜還要去。"},{"start":90.384,"end":115.077,"text":"謝謝謝謝關心我們花蓮的災後重建但是本席不知道你是真的有沒有看到問題因為還是你只是走馬看花聽聽地方官員給你的看似認真的簡報做做樣子呢因為對我們花蓮人來講現在最重要的問題是要如何活下去因為仰賴我們觀光產業發展的城市因為這個天災各行各業都已經變成了產業真的是棲產的產業"},{"start":118.732,"end":139.74,"text":"那我想要請問一下院長還有部長那院長和部長請問一下花蓮平常是不是經常發生地震?花蓮是屬於地震頻傳的區域之一那花蓮是不是常常都是一直在發生地震?你們有這樣感覺嗎?餘震的狀況應該是很頻繁"},{"start":141.621,"end":168.658,"text":"那現在問題就來了就是說那我再請問一下電視的新聞台在花蓮0403地震發生以前喔會不會一直這樣播放花蓮地震的跑馬燈呢那你知道我為什麼沒有地震的發生當然媒體是不會去有這個訊息來報導的好其實好院長其實不是這個樣子你知道我為什麼要這樣問嗎因為花蓮的好多的鄉親都跟我反映說尤其是我們"},{"start":169.719,"end":197.276,"text":"在花蓮鄉親的群組上面大家都說三不五時就收到地震的警報有的時候只是一個完全沒有影響到民生和交通的小小地震各家的新聞都是一直在報導而且最後反而是其他縣市的親友都會讓每一個人都感覺人心惶惶甚至比我們花蓮人更害怕更緊張然後都跑來關心花蓮人但是老實說太過頻繁還有非必要的"},{"start":197.796,"end":197.836,"text":"﹚林憶君"},{"start":216.69,"end":242.488,"text":"因為花蓮的光光還沒有死 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而且現在你看打開電視台"},{"start":243.809,"end":263.985,"text":"都一直播花蓮地震的速報為什麼每次一個地震開始的時候各家新聞台的跑馬燈就一直在出現一直在出現一直跑跑到人民的心都慌了跑到大家都真的都不敢到花蓮來旅遊了那院長你知道我們花蓮人心裡其實真的是苦到苦到說不出口了嗎"},{"start":266.927,"end":288.502,"text":"地震的預報或是這個報導應該不會侷限是花蓮地區啦況且我們的地震中心或是我們的氣象署他都有法定的職權跟義務必須在一定的程度必須讓全民知道這樣的資訊所以我是希望說讓大家知道這個權利要維護但知道的時候要告訴大家知而不亂"},{"start":289.767,"end":294.41,"text":"但是你知道前幾天才發生,前幾天發生的時候,二級、一級也是在登啊,我們花蓮其實對這種地震,其實覺得二級、一級根本沒有什麼,但是電視的跑馬燈就一直登啊,那誰敢來花蓮啊,每次的鎮壓都是在花蓮。"},{"start":306.977,"end":333.728,"text":"而且我是想要拜託拜託院長還有NCC可不可以開始請各家新聞台都要自律呢而且你們這地震的警報也要分等級啊你現在二級也在登然後每天都是看到花蓮地震這誰敢來啊我們現在每一個人都是對花蓮沒有信心欸他們都不敢來欸因為他每次都覺得鎮壓一定會是在花蓮然後一看其實只有二級還有三級"},{"start":335.199,"end":351.588,"text":"前幾天就發生了啊但是那個新聞台就是跑馬燈一直在跑啊所以我覺得這樣不只自己嚇自己而且是嚇死全國的民眾而且造成全國的民眾的恐慌尤其是大家真的對花蓮都沒有信心了"},{"start":352.368,"end":370.194,"text":"當然啦,剛才院長有說,所以其實我也感謝各個新聞台對花蓮的地區的關心,但是這個東西是已經太過關心了,反而產生一個無形的壓力,也讓我們全國的民眾無形中產生了一個叫做花蓮隨時都在地震的標籤化。"},{"start":372.936,"end":401.455,"text":"這個標籤話會讓大家都不敢來所以我們將心比心嘛行政院或NCC是否可以建議媒體開始減少全國民眾對花蓮地區的恐懼如果是這樣像院長每個月都到花蓮你也是希望說我們的災後重建還有振興要有一個上升一個非常大的幫助所以我覺得這個或許真的是你們要研議一下是不是要怎麼樣讓大家對花蓮有信心"},{"start":402.915,"end":430.085,"text":"請委員理解行政院應該是沒有辦法要求媒體掃報哪一些內容那NCC可以去處理啊我一直要求氣象署在針對各項的預警預告的過程當中要更精確更精準這個是我們花蓮鄉親的問題每一個人都跟我反應每一個群組都說這是要嚇死人嗎我們花蓮現在經濟那麼差了"},{"start":431.085,"end":458.963,"text":"氣象署他是不是有一定的公告預告的一個標準到達什麼標準他必須要向全民來揭露這樣我記得04、03在那之前的時候其實沒有像現在這個樣子其實氣象署齁他們只要有地震那必然就會做一個報告啦氣象署的動作一定是這個樣子所以我剛才已經講了嘛要分等級嘛對不對你們連二級一級你們也在也在也在這樣報氣象署的責任是只要有地震就要告訴民眾有地震"},{"start":459.343,"end":463.425,"text":"所以我現在也是代表我花蓮的鄉親來這邊講這些反映這些事情因為真的現在經濟都很差好我再來講第二個問題就是院長跟部長你們知道有關花蓮鐵路高價化的交通的問題嗎?"},{"start":489.217,"end":508.853,"text":"臺灣的東部的鐵路在花蓮市和吉安鄉市區就有7個平面的平交道穿越花蓮市和吉安鄉的鬧區所以這個已經引發民怨的不斷的民怨所以現在臺鐵花蓮站和吉安甘城站的高架工程其實這個蓋我想應該比蘇花安還簡單吧一定不會比蘇花安還難但是究竟何時可以規劃動工啊還是根本就是不想做啊"},{"start":517.279,"end":541.756,"text":"因為據我了解今年9月的27號鐵道局的計劃書已經送到交通部的本部了但是為什麼又石沉大海呢?音訊全無呢?那請問目前計劃書究竟是已經送到交通部了嗎?還是進度如何呢?那院長跟部長你現在是不是可以承諾本席馬上加速審核呢?因為據我了解"},{"start":543.498,"end":557.333,"text":"這個計畫書在政府機關其實來來回回已經修過好多次然後民眾都在等待多年的鐵路的高架化而且在去年112年的4月獲得前交通部長正面的回應了"},{"start":557.873,"end":577.021,"text":"同意將花東地區的鐵路雙軌電氣化計畫的工程納入花蓮站至甘城站有7個鐵路平交道的高架立體化辦理,而且並且他也答應了要全額的負擔,改善花蓮市7個鐵路平交道的立體化工程及吉安車站的"},{"start":577.961,"end":580.362,"text":"三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。"},{"start":599.532,"end":625.938,"text":"難道莫非新上任的陳部長你沒有想要黃牛了嗎?你不想兌現前任的支票了嗎?是不是又要欺騙我們花蓮人了?報告委員這個案子現在正在進行的是花東的鐵軌的軌道的這個雙軌電氣化這個部分一直在進行當中這個沒有什麼黃牛不黃牛的問題那您所提到的高價化的部分目前也正在審議當中目前國發會正在審議"},{"start":628.396,"end":631.558,"text":"那什麼時候可以好呢?國發會在審議,這個我沒辦法替他們回答。那你可能要幫我們追蹤一下吧?"},{"start":638.966,"end":662.501,"text":"我想院長其實那麼多個月都到花蓮其實非常充分了解花蓮還有東部的民眾雖然是一個小小的臺灣但是東西的交通是非常的不同的大部分的交通都是以西部為主我上一次質詢的時候也有說也有比較圖出來相對西部的時候我們花蓮的交通資源真的是嚴重的不足"},{"start":663.061,"end":678.616,"text":"所以這是我們花蓮民眾大家最痛也是最擔憂的尤其是花蓮在這幾次0403的大地震還有凱米風災還有山陀爾颱風之後那我們花蓮對外的交通中斷真的是變成孤城了啦所以我們現在看一下像東西的已經"},{"start":680.157,"end":680.938,"text":"災前、災時、災後的情況的比較。"},{"start":699.89,"end":717.565,"text":"所以災後的時候也會有管制然後還是不方便那我們是不是看這樣之後我們是不是要快一點要找一條有一條安全替代道路像舒花庵這樣是不是要快一點把它建造完成還是按照其程要如期完工呢?"},{"start":718.286,"end":743.105,"text":"沒有錯 報告委員 蘇哈安是我們按照期程也一步一步在推動我想這個蘇哈安如果完成之後對交通的改善我們是有所期待的只是我跟您一樣非常的遺憾每次重大工程進行到大家正在如火如荼的時候就來一場大雨來一個颱風讓我們很多要從復原復舊又開始這是我們共同遇到的大自然給我們的挑戰"},{"start":743.505,"end":758.104,"text":"我再請院長再看一下像我們東部的交通的便利性沒有一項勝過西部的現在以前本來上一次來比較的時候說什麼雙腳還可以翻山越嶺現在幾乎土石流之後連那種走的都沒有辦法過去"},{"start":759.465,"end":783.493,"text":"所以像執政者的交通建設,這對執政者的交通建設是不是一個諷刺呢?這對我們身為同樣是中華民國的國民情何以堪?尤其是在鐵路方面,東部沒有捷運也沒有高鐵,搭火車一票籃球,遇到風災整個都封閉。那院長請問一下花東鄉情除了公路、鐵路,還是不是還可以選擇飛機?"},{"start":784.853,"end":785.554,"text":"會員所說的是道路中斷的時候嗎?"},{"start":815.316,"end":827.788,"text":"遇到風災又是道路中斷的時候可能比較困難原因是這個樣子如果風災又道路中斷我原本的航空也不能飛船當然也不行因為有風災的時候颱風正在跑"},{"start":829.77,"end":857.494,"text":"然後一結束之後呢?因為萬一正好家裡有急事馬上要趕回去的時候呢?報告委員在上一次9月8號有一次也剛好因為遇到大雨所以道路中斷包含公路包含鐵路遇到土石流我們那個時候啟動了三個小時就啟動了一個輸運方案飛機馬上加班那另外就是往南回的鐵路我們馬上加班不但是南回運到輸運大家到高雄我們連高鐵的部分也都接得上"},{"start":857.95,"end":879.428,"text":"我們高鐵也加開班次,讓那個民眾可以從南部到北部去,所以3個小時的SOP我們在交通部已經建立了。所以你們已經做好SOP了就對了,是不是?沒有錯,這個部分我已經建立了。OK,但是我有看過你們的SOP,目前是有但是不完整,所以我是想說如何解決花蓮交通不便還有臨時發生交通中斷的時候,你那個吊派飛機,"},{"start":880.469,"end":880.489,"text":"二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50"},{"start":905.353,"end":925.824,"text":"報告委員您所說的A跟B計畫目前交通部正在努力當中就是航空跟海運的部分藍色公路的部分我也努力想要把它建立起來不過還在努力的過程但您所指的這個C計畫有關於國防部的派遣的部分大概交通部沒有辦法去指揮國防部的部分所以這個部分我大概不行那A跟B我正在努力"},{"start":926.905,"end":927.546,"text":"好 謝謝林委員 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這是要嚇死人嗎？現在花蓮的經濟那麼差了！"],["卓院長榮泰：請教一下氣象署是不是有一定的預告標準，到達什麼標準就必須要向全民來揭露這樣的事情？"],["林委員憶君：我記得在0403之前的時候，其實沒有像現在這個樣子。"],["陳部長世凱：其實氣象署只要有地震，就必然會做一個報告，氣象署的動作一定是這樣，基本的SOP就是這樣。"],["林委員憶君：所以我剛剛已經講了要分等級嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：都有啊！"],["林委員憶君：你們連2級、1級也在這樣報！"],["陳部長世凱：氣象署的責任是只要有地震就要告訴民眾有地震，不是說分1級、2級、3級的問題，只要有地震……"],["卓院長榮泰：告訴大家幾級嘛。"],["陳部長世凱：對，民眾會很希望只要有地震都要知道，所以對於氣象署，大家希望它能夠準確，這是第一個，第二個，大家希望它的訊息能夠通透，這個我們一直在努力做，不過委員所提到的……"],["林委員憶君：我現在也是代表我花蓮鄉親來這邊反映這些事情，因為真的現在經濟都很差！","好，我再來講第二個問題。院長、部長，你們知道有關花蓮鐵路高架化的交通問題嗎？臺灣東部鐵路在花蓮市和吉安鄉市區就有7個平面平交道穿越花蓮市跟吉安鄉的鬧區，這個已經引發不斷的民怨，所以現在臺鐵花蓮站和吉安干城站的高架工程，其實蓋這個我想應該比蘇花安還簡單吧？一定不會比蘇花安還難，但是究竟何時可以規劃動工，還是根本就是不想做？因為據我了解，今年9月27號鐵道局的計畫書已經送到交通部本部，但是為什麼又石沉大海、音訊全無呢？請問目前計畫書究竟是已經送到交通部了嗎？還是進度如何呢？","然後院長跟部長，你現在是不是可以承諾本席馬上加速審核呢？因為據我了解，這個計畫書在政府機關其實來來回回已經修過好多次，而民眾等待多年的鐵路高架化，在去年112年的4月已獲得前交通部長正面回應，同意在花東地區的鐵路雙軌電氣化計畫工程裡，納入花蓮站至干城站的七個鐵路平交道高架立體化，他也答應要全額負擔改善花蓮市七個鐵路平交道的立體化工程及吉安車站的高架化經費，但是本席翻閱了114年的預算書，在鐵道局的鐵路及捷運建設計畫中，有編列花東地區鐵路雙軌電氣化計畫，它的總經費是456億，114年編列了60億元，所以我現在只想說，莫非新上任的陳部長你們又要黃牛了嗎？你不想兌現前任的支票了嗎？是不是又要欺騙我們花蓮人了？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，這個案子現在正在進行的是花東鐵軌軌道的雙軌電氣化，這個部分一直在進行當中，這個沒有什麼黃牛不黃牛的問題。那您所提到的高架化部分，目前國發會正在審議中。"],["林委員憶君：那什麼時候可以好呢？"],["陳部長世凱：國發會在審議，這個我沒辦法替他們回答。"],["林委員憶君：好，那你可能要幫我們追蹤一下吧？"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["林委員憶君：OK，好。院長你那麼多個月都到花蓮，其實非常充分的了解花蓮還有東部的民眾，雖然是一個小小的臺灣，但是東西的交通是非常的不同的，大部分的交通都是以西部為主，我上一次質詢的時候也有說嘛，也有比較圖出來，對不對？相對於西部，我們花蓮的交通資源真的是嚴重的不足，這是我們花蓮民眾大家最痛也是最擔憂的，尤其是花蓮在這幾次，包括0403的大地震，還有凱米風災，還有山陀兒颱風之後，我們花蓮對外的交通中斷，真的是變成孤城了啦。","我們看一下，現在東西的交通已經不平衡了，現在只要風災之後，連臺鐵還有公路全部都斷，而且這個還要小心土石流。我們來看一下災前、災時、災後的情況比較，災後的時候也會管制，然後還是不方便，看到這樣之後，我們是不是要快一點找一條、有一條安全的替代道路，像蘇花安這樣，是不是要快一點把它建造完成，還是按照期程如期完工呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：沒有錯。報告委員，蘇花安我們按照期程也逐步在推動，我想蘇花安完成之後，對交通的改善我們是有所期待的，只是我跟您一樣，非常的遺憾，每次重大工程進行到如火如荼的時候，就來一場大雨、來一個颱風，讓我們很多又要從復原、復舊開始，這是我們共同遇到的大自然給我們的挑戰。"],["林委員憶君：好，那我要請院長再看一下我們東部交通的便利性，沒有一項勝過西部的。上一次來比較的時候，說什麼雙腳還可以翻山越嶺，現在土石流之後，幾乎連用走的都沒有辦法過去，這對執政者的交通建設是不是一個諷刺呢？這對我們同樣是身為中華民國的國民情何以堪？尤其是在鐵路方面。東部沒有捷運，也沒有高鐵，搭火車一票難求，遇到風災整個都封閉。院長，請問一下，花東鄉親除了公路、鐵路，是不是還可以選擇飛機？但是飛機班次非常少，交通一中斷整個都是秒殺，搶不到了；連想要搭海運的藍色公路都非常的blue，為什麼？因為我們還要苦苦哀求離島地區的船公司，是不是可以調借船隻給我們？請問部長，如果你遇到這種情況，你又正好要去花蓮，你會怎麼處理呢？"],["陳部長世凱：委員所說的是道路中斷的時候嗎？"],["林委員憶君：是，就是遇到風災，都中斷的時候。"],["陳部長世凱：好。如果遇到風災又道路中斷的時候，可能比較困難，原因是這個樣子，如果風災又道路中斷，原本的航空也不能飛，船當然也不行，因為有風災的時候，颱風正在跑……"],["林委員憶君：然後一結束之後呢？萬一正好家裡有急事，馬上要趕回去的時候呢？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，在9月8號有一次也剛好因為遇到大雨所以道路中斷，包含公路、包含鐵路，遇到了土石流，我們那個時候3個小時就啟動了一個疏運方案，飛機馬上加班，另外就是往南迴的鐵路馬上加班，不但是南迴疏運大家到高雄，我們連高鐵的部分也都接得上，高鐵也加開班次，讓民眾可以從南部到北部去，所以我們在交通部已經建立了3個小時的SOP。"],["林委員憶君：所以你們已經做好SOP就對了？"],["陳部長世凱：沒有錯，這個部分我已經建立了。"],["林委員憶君：OK，但是我有看過你們的SOP，目前是有，但是不完整，我在想你們是如何解決花蓮交通不便，還有在臨時發生交通中斷的時候，你們是如何調派飛機？那一次是因為金門那邊起大霧，所以沒辦法，當然是可以調過來，還有船隻支援的方向，我們可不可以研議制定花東比照離島的ABC疏運方案，我們把這個常態落實化，在遇到這些情況的時候，我們的ABC方案還有SOP就可以馬上執行。"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，您所說的A跟B計畫，目前交通部正在努力當中，就是航空跟海運的部分，那藍色公路的部分，我也努力想要把它建立起來，不過還在努力的過程中。但是您所指的這個C計畫，就是有關於國防部的派遣部分，大概交通部沒有辦法去指揮國防部，所以這個部分我大概不行，A跟B我正在努力。"],["林委員憶君：好，當然你還是要努力一下，最好是我們花東這一區可以比照離島，然後定出SOP，因為你也知道最近有很多天災真的都是發生在花蓮，像風災、地震。"],["卓院長榮泰：報告委員，一旦發生緊急的狀況，軍方都會適時地做很多的支援工作，這個我們非常感謝，以後這個機制會……"],["林委員憶君：對，上一次有說因為我們都是在等飛機嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["主席：好，謝謝林委員，謝謝卓院長。","下一位請廖先翔委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":108,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-5","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","郭國文","張嘉郡","柯志恩","林憶君","廖先翔","顏寬恒","謝衣鳯","賴惠員","陳冠廷","鄭正鈐","黃建賓","陳超明","吳琪銘","陳秀寳","徐巧芯","林倩綺","邱若華"],"page_start":44,"meetingDate":["2024-10-18"],"gazette_id":"1138101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138101_00002","1138101_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第5次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1138101_00008"}}}