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00:03:10,371\n一次往返這半年,這半年半年這樣到現在來,我每一次在總執行三催四請,都是在為國家要節省預算,要希望這個交通的建設能夠加快速度。那今天院長跟部長我在這邊要請教你,有沒有更快的速度、更好的效率能夠讓這個案子能夠盡速的核定,可不可以告訴我一個時間表。\n\n10\n00:03:12,121 --> 00:03:33,768\n好,報告委員,這件事情其實確實,現在台中市政府正在修訂計畫書當中,不過其實每次往返我也覺得這樣很浪費時間,所以我也有拜託我們的鐵道局,他們也確實也趕快去催促了台中市政府在8月2號、8月22號跟9月27都喊請市政府要儘速的提供這個修正的報告書,\n\n11\n00:03:34,468 --> 00:03:59,962\n那目前為止市政府還沒提供來,但是我跟委員承諾,如果他提來了,我們在布的這個程序上面,我們會盡量來加速。因為這也是長期我們在爭取的一個希望有的一個地方的建設。那當時在,甚至在胡志強市長在擔任市長的時候,我就跟蔡其昌委員一起去爭取了可行性評估的這個經費。那也當然過了很多年,鄉親都很期盼,交通部一定會來加速,所以這一點您放心。\n\n12\n00:04:02,079 --> 00:04:22,229\n接著我再來問海線雙軌高價目前經費中央負擔221億台中市府負擔177億如果再拖下去未來造價會更高此外烏日大慶捷運高價化這個部分這是我們補償你的選區給你替路告解這部分從2013年\n\n13\n00:04:28,769 --> 00:04:37,578\n到現在超過11年了啦,一直在耽擱,我不曉得說中央到底誰在卡,在卡什麼,為什麼這個進度都沒有辦法提前。\n\n14\n00:04:38,257 --> 00:05:00,135\n那現在的程序一樣,在今年的3月23日,呈報行政院續審,續行審議。那國發會在6月19日,又函送審議的審查意見,又交給交通部。鐵道局6月27日,又函請臺中市府回應及修正報告。所以我剛才說的,你給我回答的,這次我又跟你說,\n\n15\n00:05:01,817 --> 00:05:09,337\n這個部分來來往往來來往往短短的3.7公里總預算才83億到現在還卡在中央\n\n16\n00:05:10,151 --> 00:05:33,486\n那如果說,上個會期我們也辦理會館考察,那現在到底是在卡什麼?你到底可以跟他說說,你的臨來,保定你的臨來,有辦法動工嗎?這案件有辦法合併動工嗎?這個案子跟剛剛的那個海線雙軌高架其實是同一個案子,他們併在一起,所以我剛剛有報告過,現在我們的交通\n\n17\n00:05:34,026 --> 00:05:34,507\n那交通部這邊會來加速\n\n18\n00:05:43,936 --> 00:06:05,711\n我們東北地區重要的我們鐵路建設、軌道建設如果溝通上有問題、有困難我願意說我們來召開一個中央跟地方的協調會議那也請院長、部長如果可以請你們來參加讓我們把所有的問題都釐清到底中央在卡、誰在卡還是地方有什麼\n\n19\n00:06:06,531 --> 00:06:10,473\n報告委員,如果這個是部長當年選舉提出的政見,那我想部長要再謹慎的去跟地方了解一下。因為他沒有當選,是不是地方的人士不希望他這麼做?\n\n20\n00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:52,409\n這十幾年齁如果沒有大家這個彼此的我跟你講現在台中市政府卡在中央的款項中央的核定跟補助地方沒有辦法靠一己之力台中市政府做不來一定要有中央的幫助所以我希望說我們院長跟部長能夠大力的來促成\n\n21\n00:06:53,669 --> 00:07:14,921\n接下來我再來提就是我們高鐵特區現在積極發展烏日高鐵特區然後將台中發展成會議及會展中心導入觀光、休閒、商務等進駐台中這部分在現在的高鐵有一個投資案投資金額超過260億開發面積超過15公頃\n\n22\n00:07:19,003 --> 00:07:47,983\n新建全國最大的購物商城,影城,五星級酒店,還有A級辦公大樓。購物中心的樓地擺面積超過9萬平,規模是臺中新光三列加上大圓白的1.6倍大,臺北101的4.8倍,預計在115年第4季要完工,將會是全臺最大的百貨購物商城。但在這個美好的憧憬之下,我們臺中人最擔心的就是交通的瓶頸。\n\n23\n00:07:49,372 --> 00:08:03,250\n10月15日禮拜二我們江副院長也邀請部長率領交通部的團隊進行討論本席的辦公室也有例席參加那現在知道就是說一個月內要組成專案小組要針對國道一一增設交流道\n\n24\n00:08:27,515 --> 00:08:55,047\n預期的目標跟方向我們當然希望未來整個商城起來之後那個地方不要有交通打擊的狀況那目前當然所謂的交通的輸運剛剛委員有提到那邊蠻複雜的有高鐵有台鐵有捷運還有高速公路還有快速道路那當然重要的是市區道路在那個地方要連結出來也是很重要那目前台中市政府正在辦理就是高鐵特定區那個地方的整個交通的整體的規劃\n\n25\n00:08:56,147 --> 00:09:02,930\n那目前他們的案子其實蠻多有臺灣轉移有沒有溝通?部長有跟市政府溝通嗎?跟市政府交通局做過溝通嗎?\n\n26\n00:09:02,930 --> 00:09:15,515\n那一天我在江副院長那邊有說過了齁我跟你講現在你也知道交通部會進入來協助我目前也已經折承了運研所、高工局跟公路局各單位大家一起參與跟他們一起來討論做一個專案的處理\n\n27\n00:09:18,337 --> 00:09:35,807\n現在高鐵特區光是上下班時間車輛回堵到高架橋上這是每天都發生的未來這個115年商城完工之後那個會非常的困難所以你們現在一定要儘早提早來啟動那另外我要再提醒\n\n28\n00:09:36,741 --> 00:10:03,164\n除了王田這個國道1號烏日閘道的偵測部分那我相信我們高工局這個部分他有提出要偵測閘道的困難但是我希望交通部能夠盡以你們的專業然後來了解能夠來積極的協調如果能夠偵測這個烏日閘道的部分利用烏日區他的現有的一個道路的一個路廊\n\n29\n00:10:03,644 --> 00:10:03,904\n主席\n\n30\n00:10:14,296 --> 00:10:34,353\n因為烏日地區我們知道這10年來移入的人口超過1萬人那尤其都是集中在高鐵特區那原本交通的負擔就很大加上這個鐵道局的促餐案未來會更吃緊所以中央千萬不要袖手旁觀中央能做的一定要先啟動這一點部長能不能做到\n\n31\n00:10:35,411 --> 00:10:43,721\n這一點我們已經要組專案小組了,所以這個部分委員不用擔心,江副院長有出面協調,這個部分我們交通部會來協助。\n\n32\n00:10:45,538 --> 00:11:04,733\n好,再來,剛剛提到的這個議題,鐵道建設,那所有的捷運,臺中的捷運都是,不管是北捷、高捷都經歷過這樣的陣痛期,都要點線面來形成這個捷運路網,那都是因為一開始的路線不完整,轉程的困難,民眾搭乘運不足,\n\n33\n00:11:05,441 --> 00:11:25,861\n那所以現在台中除了綠線已經通車,藍線可行性評估核定,那目前正在進行的機場捷運,還有我們的機場捷運就是橘線,那捷運藍線延伸到太平,捷運紫線就是我們屯區環狀線,還有捷運綠線延伸到大坑及彰化的部分,\n\n34\n00:11:26,533 --> 00:11:53,533\n那我今天要說的是捷運局限的部分因為他串聯屯區霧峰然後臺中火車站最後來到臺中國際機場那我想了解一下目前的進度那依照我現在所知道的就是113年7月2號的時候交通部召開捷運的審查會原則上同意那請臺中市政府依審查意見修正目前呢臺中市政府正在修正當中\n\n35\n00:11:54,594 --> 00:12:18,509\n我們在跟施政委的交通局還有鐵道局在沙鹿會刊主要是希望能夠透過爭取局限的延伸段然後呢這個由台中機場延伸到沙鹿與臺灣大道的藍線做銜接就如同剛剛本席前面講到的捷運要達到入網的程度才能提升旅客的乘車意願那未來\n\n36\n00:12:19,470 --> 00:12:22,963\n這個路線看起來最長乘車人士最多的路線應該就是藍線\n\n37\n00:12:25,305 --> 00:12:51,070\n那原先規劃的捷運局限只有在台中火車站跟南線有交會所以希望能夠在海線也可以有交會處這樣可以擴大整個捷運的路網那以支線的方式讓捷運局限跟南線有更完善的一個轉乘機制能夠串聯台中港及台中國際機場就能夠形成更完整的打造捷運路網來發揮運輸的最大效益\n\n38\n00:12:51,750 --> 00:13:12,840\n另外捷運局限的部分因這個當地的要求往北的部分也希望能夠延伸到清水清水人口近年來也急速的成長目前人口已經突破9萬這兩段的延伸線院長部長可不可以支持\n\n39\n00:13:16,436 --> 00:13:31,267\n報告委員,這個部分其實局限正在臺中市政府它的可研當中,所以延伸的部分其實可以放得進去,那如果有需要經費可研的部分,可簡訊研究的部分有需要經費,交通部也都支持。\n\n40\n00:13:32,060 --> 00:13:47,127\n對,所以我們在15號的時候,我們副院長這邊召集的這個協商會議,院長、部長、部長當你們做成協議,就是說把延伸的部分也一併提出,納入這一次的一個會議、一個修正。那好,那我想\n\n41\n00:13:49,209 --> 00:14:17,243\n院長部長如果支持我希望說這不是口頭上最主要就是行動行動的支持最重要那臺中市已經成為第二大城市那也是我們國冷藍奶北氧必經之地都要經過臺中那未來臺中的發展也是對整個臺灣有一個最臺中的發展對臺灣的幫助也最大臺中市每一年創稅給中央接近2000億\n\n42\n00:14:18,683 --> 00:14:44,395\n那但是中央不管透過統籌分配或者是其他的一般補助到回到台中的都不足大概在800億左右那這樣子的部分所以我們希望在任何的不管是尤其是交通建設不要大小眼我們看台中也好、高雄也好、台南也好不要把台中看作最衰末台中的比例永遠是最少\n\n43\n00:14:44,815 --> 00:15:01,953\n所以這部分我希望既然部長你容認了你能夠擔任這個交通部的部長那過去你的選區在我們大烏龍希望你能夠重視我們台中市的發展好院長部長平常有在搭乘大眾捷運系統嗎\n\n44\n00:15:03,148 --> 00:15:04,949\n目前台鐵我是有承諾在過年之前\n\n45\n00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:35,407\n好,謝謝原委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5244\t11897\t大會主席江啟臣、副院長、各位列席官員大家好。主席有請行政院左院長、交通部陳部長。左院長、陳部長請備行。\n21926\t50226\t委員好 委員長好 部長好 首先恭喜部長能夠來 我想 希望說未來在我們台中地方市府海上所有的交通建設 大家可以密切的合作 讓我們台中海上的保溫可以快速的提升 能夠銜接整個這個一個直轄市的交通一個狀態能夠往上的來成長 我覺得各位發表\n54550\t64456\t沙鹿要設站捷運通龍井發展新產業臺中大振興請教院長部長這個看到這個有沒有熟悉的感覺\n69036\t70396\t這兩段文字我想這是2013年我們陳部長當時在參選立委時的政見\n83194\t103441\t這裏有很多件都現在遇到很大的困難第一就是我們台鐵海線班次一直無法增加受限的原因就是因為它是單軌那車次無法提升那造成了班次少然後乘客意願低落的主要原因\n104221\t128132\t那我在日前向交通部鐵道局詢問目前海線雙軌高架的進度﹐他的回答是113年6月23日含請臺中市政府回應修正報告書。那臺中市政府科證依國發會審查意見修正報告書﹐在臺中市政府113年2月23日提報可行性修正報告給交通部。\n128939\t144012\t那3月29部在報院續審那國發會6月19號含送審查意見給交通部每一次這個意見修正補正公文往返花費的時間不只是時間\n145453\t163491\t按照現在通膨跟物價上漲的速度每一次預算都往上攀升那如果今天台中市政府再次提報修正計畫給交通部部再報院、院再交國發會、國發會又再提修正意見一次就半年了\n164344\t190371\t一次往返這半年,這半年半年這樣到現在來,我每一次在總執行三催四請,都是在為國家要節省預算,要希望這個交通的建設能夠加快速度。那今天院長跟部長我在這邊要請教你,有沒有更快的速度、更好的效率能夠讓這個案子能夠盡速的核定,可不可以告訴我一個時間表。\n192121\t213768\t好,報告委員,這件事情其實確實,現在台中市政府正在修訂計畫書當中,不過其實每次往返我也覺得這樣很浪費時間,所以我也有拜託我們的鐵道局,他們也確實也趕快去催促了台中市政府在8月2號、8月22號跟9月27都喊請市政府要儘速的提供這個修正的報告書,\n214468\t239962\t那目前為止市政府還沒提供來,但是我跟委員承諾,如果他提來了,我們在布的這個程序上面,我們會盡量來加速。因為這也是長期我們在爭取的一個希望有的一個地方的建設。那當時在,甚至在胡志強市長在擔任市長的時候,我就跟蔡其昌委員一起去爭取了可行性評估的這個經費。那也當然過了很多年,鄉親都很期盼,交通部一定會來加速,所以這一點您放心。\n242079\t262229\t接著我再來問海線雙軌高價目前經費中央負擔221億台中市府負擔177億如果再拖下去未來造價會更高此外烏日大慶捷運高價化這個部分這是我們補償你的選區給你替路告解這部分從2013年\n268769\t277578\t到現在超過11年了啦,一直在耽擱,我不曉得說中央到底誰在卡,在卡什麼,為什麼這個進度都沒有辦法提前。\n278257\t300135\t那現在的程序一樣,在今年的3月23日,呈報行政院續審,續行審議。那國發會在6月19日,又函送審議的審查意見,又交給交通部。 鐵道局6月27日,又函請臺中市府回應及修正報告。所以我剛才說的,你給我回答的,這次我又跟你說,\n301817\t309337\t這個部分來來往往來來往往短短的3.7公里總預算才83億到現在還卡在中央\n310151\t333486\t那如果說,上個會期我們也辦理會館考察,那現在到底是在卡什麼?你到底可以跟他說說,你的臨來,保定你的臨來,有辦法動工嗎?這案件有辦法合併動工嗎?這個案子跟剛剛的那個海線雙軌高架其實是同一個案子,他們併在一起,所以我剛剛有報告過,現在我們的交通\n334026\t334507\t那交通部這邊會來加速\n343936\t365711\t我們東北地區重要的我們鐵路建設、軌道建設如果溝通上有問題、有困難我願意說我們來召開一個中央跟地方的協調會議那也請院長、部長如果可以請你們來參加讓我們把所有的問題都釐清到底中央在卡、誰在卡還是地方有什麼\n366531\t370473\t報告委員,如果這個是部長當年選舉提出的政見,那我想部長要再謹慎的去跟地方了解一下。因為他沒有當選,是不是地方的人士不希望他這麼做?\n390440\t412409\t這十幾年齁 如果沒有大家這個彼此的 我跟你講 現在台中市政府卡在中央的款項 中央的核定跟補助 地方沒有辦法靠一己之力 台中市政府做不來 一定要有中央的幫助 所以我希望說我們院長跟部長能夠大力的來促成\n413669\t434921\t接下來我再來提就是我們高鐵特區現在積極發展烏日高鐵特區然後將台中發展成會議及會展中心導入觀光、休閒、商務等進駐台中這部分在現在的高鐵有一個投資案投資金額超過260億開發面積超過15公頃\n439003\t467983\t新建全國最大的購物商城,影城,五星級酒店,還有A級辦公大樓。 購物中心的樓地擺面積超過9萬平,規模是臺中新光三列加上大圓白的1.6倍大,臺北101的4.8倍,預計在115年第4季要完工,將會是全臺最大的百貨購物商城。 但在這個美好的憧憬之下,我們臺中人最擔心的就是交通的瓶頸。\n469372\t483250\t10月15日禮拜二我們江副院長也邀請部長率領交通部的團隊進行討論本席的辦公室也有例席參加那現在知道就是說一個月內要組成專案小組要針對國道一一增設交流道\n483933\t506323\t議員議員議員\n507515\t535047\t預期的目標跟方向我們當然希望未來整個商城起來之後那個地方不要有交通打擊的狀況那目前當然所謂的交通的輸運剛剛委員有提到那邊蠻複雜的有高鐵有台鐵有捷運還有高速公路還有快速道路那當然重要的是市區道路在那個地方要連結出來也是很重要那目前台中市政府正在辦理就是高鐵特定區那個地方的整個交通的整體的規劃\n536147\t542930\t那目前他們的案子其實蠻多有臺灣轉移 有沒有溝通?部長有跟市政府溝通嗎?跟市政府交通局做過溝通嗎?\n542930\t555515\t那一天我在江副院長那邊有說過了齁我跟你講現在你也知道 交通部會進入來協助我目前也已經折承了運研所、高工局跟公路局各單位大家一起參與跟他們一起來討論做一個專案的處理\n558337\t575807\t現在高鐵特區光是上下班時間車輛回堵到高架橋上這是每天都發生的未來這個115年商城完工之後那個會非常的困難所以你們現在一定要儘早提早來啟動那另外我要再提醒\n576741\t603164\t除了王田這個國道1號烏日閘道的偵測部分那我相信我們高工局這個部分他有提出要偵測閘道的困難但是我希望交通部能夠盡以你們的專業然後來了解能夠來積極的協調如果能夠偵測這個烏日閘道的部分利用烏日區他的現有的一個道路的一個路廊\n603644\t603904\t主席\n614296\t634353\t因為烏日地區我們知道這10年來移入的人口超過1萬人那尤其都是集中在高鐵特區那原本交通的負擔就很大加上這個鐵道局的促餐案未來會更吃緊所以中央千萬不要袖手旁觀中央能做的一定要先啟動這一點部長能不能做到\n635411\t643721\t這一點我們已經要組專案小組了,所以這個部分委員不用擔心,江副院長有出面協調,這個部分我們交通部會來協助。\n645538\t664733\t好,再來,剛剛提到的這個議題,鐵道建設,那所有的捷運,臺中的捷運都是,不管是北捷、高捷都經歷過這樣的陣痛期,都要點線面來形成這個捷運路網,那都是因為一開始的路線不完整,轉程的困難,民眾搭乘運不足,\n665441\t685861\t那所以現在台中除了綠線已經通車,藍線可行性評估核定,那目前正在進行的機場捷運,還有我們的機場捷運就是橘線,那捷運藍線延伸到太平,捷運紫線就是我們屯區環狀線,還有捷運綠線延伸到大坑及彰化的部分,\n686533\t713533\t那我今天要說的是捷運局限的部分因為他串聯屯區霧峰然後臺中火車站最後來到臺中國際機場那我想了解一下目前的進度那依照我現在所知道的就是113年7月2號的時候交通部召開捷運的審查會原則上同意那請臺中市政府依審查意見修正目前呢臺中市政府正在修正當中\n714594\t738509\t我們在跟施政委的交通局還有鐵道局在沙鹿會刊主要是希望能夠透過爭取局限的延伸段然後呢這個由台中機場延伸到沙鹿與臺灣大道的藍線做銜接就如同剛剛本席前面講到的捷運要達到入網的程度才能提升旅客的乘車意願那未來\n739470\t742963\t這個路線看起來最長乘車人士最多的路線應該就是藍線\n745305\t771070\t那原先規劃的捷運局限只有在台中火車站跟南線有交會所以希望能夠在海線也可以有交會處這樣可以擴大整個捷運的路網那以支線的方式讓捷運局限跟南線有更完善的一個轉乘機制能夠串聯台中港及台中國際機場就能夠形成更完整的打造捷運路網來發揮運輸的最大效益\n771750\t792840\t另外捷運局限的部分因這個當地的要求往北的部分也希望能夠延伸到清水清水人口近年來也急速的成長目前人口已經突破9萬這兩段的延伸線 院長部長可不可以支持\n796436\t811267\t報告委員,這個部分其實局限正在臺中市政府它的可研當中,所以延伸的部分其實可以放得進去,那如果有需要經費可研的部分,可簡訊研究的部分有需要經費,交通部也都支持。\n812060\t827127\t對,所以我們在15號的時候,我們副院長這邊召集的這個協商會議,院長、部長、部長當你們做成協議,就是說把延伸的部分也一併提出,納入這一次的一個會議、一個修正。那好,那我想\n829209\t857243\t院長部長如果支持我希望說這不是口頭上最主要就是行動行動的支持最重要那臺中市已經成為第二大城市那也是我們國冷藍奶北氧必經之地都要經過臺中那未來臺中的發展也是對整個臺灣有一個最臺中的發展對臺灣的幫助也最大臺中市每一年創稅給中央接近2000億\n858683\t884395\t那但是中央不管透過統籌分配或者是其他的一般補助到回到台中的都不足大概在800億左右那這樣子的部分所以我們希望在任何的不管是尤其是交通建設不要大小眼我們看台中也好、高雄也好、台南也好不要把台中看作最衰末台中的比例永遠是最少\n884815\t901953\t所以這部分我希望既然部長你容認了你能夠擔任這個交通部的部長那過去你的選區在我們大烏龍希望你能夠重視我們台中市的發展好 院長部長平常有在搭乘大眾捷運系統嗎\n903148\t904949\t目前台鐵我是有承諾在過年之前\n934400\t935407\t好,謝謝原委員\n","txt":"大會主席江啟臣、副院長、各位列席官員大家好。主席有請行政院左院長、交通部陳部長。左院長、陳部長請備行。\n委員好 委員長好 部長好 首先恭喜部長能夠來 我想 希望說未來在我們台中地方市府海上所有的交通建設 大家可以密切的合作 讓我們台中海上的保溫可以快速的提升 能夠銜接整個這個一個直轄市的交通一個狀態能夠往上的來成長 我覺得各位發表\n沙鹿要設站捷運通龍井發展新產業臺中大振興請教院長部長這個看到這個有沒有熟悉的感覺\n這兩段文字我想這是2013年我們陳部長當時在參選立委時的政見\n這裏有很多件都現在遇到很大的困難第一就是我們台鐵海線班次一直無法增加受限的原因就是因為它是單軌那車次無法提升那造成了班次少然後乘客意願低落的主要原因\n那我在日前向交通部鐵道局詢問目前海線雙軌高架的進度﹐他的回答是113年6月23日含請臺中市政府回應修正報告書。那臺中市政府科證依國發會審查意見修正報告書﹐在臺中市政府113年2月23日提報可行性修正報告給交通部。\n那3月29部在報院續審那國發會6月19號含送審查意見給交通部每一次這個意見修正補正公文往返花費的時間不只是時間\n按照現在通膨跟物價上漲的速度每一次預算都往上攀升那如果今天台中市政府再次提報修正計畫給交通部部再報院、院再交國發會、國發會又再提修正意見一次就半年了\n一次往返這半年,這半年半年這樣到現在來,我每一次在總執行三催四請,都是在為國家要節省預算,要希望這個交通的建設能夠加快速度。那今天院長跟部長我在這邊要請教你,有沒有更快的速度、更好的效率能夠讓這個案子能夠盡速的核定,可不可以告訴我一個時間表。\n好,報告委員,這件事情其實確實,現在台中市政府正在修訂計畫書當中,不過其實每次往返我也覺得這樣很浪費時間,所以我也有拜託我們的鐵道局,他們也確實也趕快去催促了台中市政府在8月2號、8月22號跟9月27都喊請市政府要儘速的提供這個修正的報告書,\n那目前為止市政府還沒提供來,但是我跟委員承諾,如果他提來了,我們在布的這個程序上面,我們會盡量來加速。因為這也是長期我們在爭取的一個希望有的一個地方的建設。那當時在,甚至在胡志強市長在擔任市長的時候,我就跟蔡其昌委員一起去爭取了可行性評估的這個經費。那也當然過了很多年,鄉親都很期盼,交通部一定會來加速,所以這一點您放心。\n接著我再來問海線雙軌高價目前經費中央負擔221億台中市府負擔177億如果再拖下去未來造價會更高此外烏日大慶捷運高價化這個部分這是我們補償你的選區給你替路告解這部分從2013年\n到現在超過11年了啦,一直在耽擱,我不曉得說中央到底誰在卡,在卡什麼,為什麼這個進度都沒有辦法提前。\n那現在的程序一樣,在今年的3月23日,呈報行政院續審,續行審議。那國發會在6月19日,又函送審議的審查意見,又交給交通部。 鐵道局6月27日,又函請臺中市府回應及修正報告。所以我剛才說的,你給我回答的,這次我又跟你說,\n這個部分來來往往來來往往短短的3.7公里總預算才83億到現在還卡在中央\n那如果說,上個會期我們也辦理會館考察,那現在到底是在卡什麼?你到底可以跟他說說,你的臨來,保定你的臨來,有辦法動工嗎?這案件有辦法合併動工嗎?這個案子跟剛剛的那個海線雙軌高架其實是同一個案子,他們併在一起,所以我剛剛有報告過,現在我們的交通\n那交通部這邊會來加速\n我們東北地區重要的我們鐵路建設、軌道建設如果溝通上有問題、有困難我願意說我們來召開一個中央跟地方的協調會議那也請院長、部長如果可以請你們來參加讓我們把所有的問題都釐清到底中央在卡、誰在卡還是地方有什麼\n報告委員,如果這個是部長當年選舉提出的政見,那我想部長要再謹慎的去跟地方了解一下。因為他沒有當選,是不是地方的人士不希望他這麼做?\n這十幾年齁 如果沒有大家這個彼此的 我跟你講 現在台中市政府卡在中央的款項 中央的核定跟補助 地方沒有辦法靠一己之力 台中市政府做不來 一定要有中央的幫助 所以我希望說我們院長跟部長能夠大力的來促成\n接下來我再來提就是我們高鐵特區現在積極發展烏日高鐵特區然後將台中發展成會議及會展中心導入觀光、休閒、商務等進駐台中這部分在現在的高鐵有一個投資案投資金額超過260億開發面積超過15公頃\n新建全國最大的購物商城,影城,五星級酒店,還有A級辦公大樓。 購物中心的樓地擺面積超過9萬平,規模是臺中新光三列加上大圓白的1.6倍大,臺北101的4.8倍,預計在115年第4季要完工,將會是全臺最大的百貨購物商城。 但在這個美好的憧憬之下,我們臺中人最擔心的就是交通的瓶頸。\n10月15日禮拜二我們江副院長也邀請部長率領交通部的團隊進行討論本席的辦公室也有例席參加那現在知道就是說一個月內要組成專案小組要針對國道一一增設交流道\n議員議員議員\n預期的目標跟方向我們當然希望未來整個商城起來之後那個地方不要有交通打擊的狀況那目前當然所謂的交通的輸運剛剛委員有提到那邊蠻複雜的有高鐵有台鐵有捷運還有高速公路還有快速道路那當然重要的是市區道路在那個地方要連結出來也是很重要那目前台中市政府正在辦理就是高鐵特定區那個地方的整個交通的整體的規劃\n那目前他們的案子其實蠻多有臺灣轉移 有沒有溝通?部長有跟市政府溝通嗎?跟市政府交通局做過溝通嗎?\n那一天我在江副院長那邊有說過了齁我跟你講現在你也知道 交通部會進入來協助我目前也已經折承了運研所、高工局跟公路局各單位大家一起參與跟他們一起來討論做一個專案的處理\n現在高鐵特區光是上下班時間車輛回堵到高架橋上這是每天都發生的未來這個115年商城完工之後那個會非常的困難所以你們現在一定要儘早提早來啟動那另外我要再提醒\n除了王田這個國道1號烏日閘道的偵測部分那我相信我們高工局這個部分他有提出要偵測閘道的困難但是我希望交通部能夠盡以你們的專業然後來了解能夠來積極的協調如果能夠偵測這個烏日閘道的部分利用烏日區他的現有的一個道路的一個路廊\n主席\n因為烏日地區我們知道這10年來移入的人口超過1萬人那尤其都是集中在高鐵特區那原本交通的負擔就很大加上這個鐵道局的促餐案未來會更吃緊所以中央千萬不要袖手旁觀中央能做的一定要先啟動這一點部長能不能做到\n這一點我們已經要組專案小組了,所以這個部分委員不用擔心,江副院長有出面協調,這個部分我們交通部會來協助。\n好,再來,剛剛提到的這個議題,鐵道建設,那所有的捷運,臺中的捷運都是,不管是北捷、高捷都經歷過這樣的陣痛期,都要點線面來形成這個捷運路網,那都是因為一開始的路線不完整,轉程的困難,民眾搭乘運不足,\n那所以現在台中除了綠線已經通車,藍線可行性評估核定,那目前正在進行的機場捷運,還有我們的機場捷運就是橘線,那捷運藍線延伸到太平,捷運紫線就是我們屯區環狀線,還有捷運綠線延伸到大坑及彰化的部分,\n那我今天要說的是捷運局限的部分因為他串聯屯區霧峰然後臺中火車站最後來到臺中國際機場那我想了解一下目前的進度那依照我現在所知道的就是113年7月2號的時候交通部召開捷運的審查會原則上同意那請臺中市政府依審查意見修正目前呢臺中市政府正在修正當中\n我們在跟施政委的交通局還有鐵道局在沙鹿會刊主要是希望能夠透過爭取局限的延伸段然後呢這個由台中機場延伸到沙鹿與臺灣大道的藍線做銜接就如同剛剛本席前面講到的捷運要達到入網的程度才能提升旅客的乘車意願那未來\n這個路線看起來最長乘車人士最多的路線應該就是藍線\n那原先規劃的捷運局限只有在台中火車站跟南線有交會所以希望能夠在海線也可以有交會處這樣可以擴大整個捷運的路網那以支線的方式讓捷運局限跟南線有更完善的一個轉乘機制能夠串聯台中港及台中國際機場就能夠形成更完整的打造捷運路網來發揮運輸的最大效益\n另外捷運局限的部分因這個當地的要求往北的部分也希望能夠延伸到清水清水人口近年來也急速的成長目前人口已經突破9萬這兩段的延伸線 院長部長可不可以支持\n報告委員,這個部分其實局限正在臺中市政府它的可研當中,所以延伸的部分其實可以放得進去,那如果有需要經費可研的部分,可簡訊研究的部分有需要經費,交通部也都支持。\n對,所以我們在15號的時候,我們副院長這邊召集的這個協商會議,院長、部長、部長當你們做成協議,就是說把延伸的部分也一併提出,納入這一次的一個會議、一個修正。那好,那我想\n院長部長如果支持我希望說這不是口頭上最主要就是行動行動的支持最重要那臺中市已經成為第二大城市那也是我們國冷藍奶北氧必經之地都要經過臺中那未來臺中的發展也是對整個臺灣有一個最臺中的發展對臺灣的幫助也最大臺中市每一年創稅給中央接近2000億\n那但是中央不管透過統籌分配或者是其他的一般補助到回到台中的都不足大概在800億左右那這樣子的部分所以我們希望在任何的不管是尤其是交通建設不要大小眼我們看台中也好、高雄也好、台南也好不要把台中看作最衰末台中的比例永遠是最少\n所以這部分我希望既然部長你容認了你能夠擔任這個交通部的部長那過去你的選區在我們大烏龍希望你能夠重視我們台中市的發展好 院長部長平常有在搭乘大眾捷運系統嗎\n目前台鐵我是有承諾在過年之前\n好,謝謝原委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.244 --> 00:11.897\n大會主席江啟臣、副院長、各位列席官員大家好。主席有請行政院左院長、交通部陳部長。左院長、陳部長請備行。\n\n00:21.926 --> 00:50.226\n委員好委員長好部長好首先恭喜部長能夠來我想希望說未來在我們台中地方市府海上所有的交通建設大家可以密切的合作讓我們台中海上的保溫可以快速的提升能夠銜接整個這個一個直轄市的交通一個狀態能夠往上的來成長我覺得各位發表\n\n00:54.550 --> 01:04.456\n沙鹿要設站捷運通龍井發展新產業臺中大振興請教院長部長這個看到這個有沒有熟悉的感覺\n\n01:09.036 --> 01:10.396\n這兩段文字我想這是2013年我們陳部長當時在參選立委時的政見\n\n01:23.194 --> 01:43.441\n這裏有很多件都現在遇到很大的困難第一就是我們台鐵海線班次一直無法增加受限的原因就是因為它是單軌那車次無法提升那造成了班次少然後乘客意願低落的主要原因\n\n01:44.221 --> 02:08.132\n那我在日前向交通部鐵道局詢問目前海線雙軌高架的進度﹐他的回答是113年6月23日含請臺中市政府回應修正報告書。那臺中市政府科證依國發會審查意見修正報告書﹐在臺中市政府113年2月23日提報可行性修正報告給交通部。\n\n02:08.939 --> 02:24.012\n那3月29部在報院續審那國發會6月19號含送審查意見給交通部每一次這個意見修正補正公文往返花費的時間不只是時間\n\n02:25.453 --> 02:43.491\n按照現在通膨跟物價上漲的速度每一次預算都往上攀升那如果今天台中市政府再次提報修正計畫給交通部部再報院、院再交國發會、國發會又再提修正意見一次就半年了\n\n02:44.344 --> 03:10.371\n一次往返這半年,這半年半年這樣到現在來,我每一次在總執行三催四請,都是在為國家要節省預算,要希望這個交通的建設能夠加快速度。那今天院長跟部長我在這邊要請教你,有沒有更快的速度、更好的效率能夠讓這個案子能夠盡速的核定,可不可以告訴我一個時間表。\n\n03:12.121 --> 03:33.768\n好,報告委員,這件事情其實確實,現在台中市政府正在修訂計畫書當中,不過其實每次往返我也覺得這樣很浪費時間,所以我也有拜託我們的鐵道局,他們也確實也趕快去催促了台中市政府在8月2號、8月22號跟9月27都喊請市政府要儘速的提供這個修正的報告書,\n\n03:34.468 --> 03:59.962\n那目前為止市政府還沒提供來,但是我跟委員承諾,如果他提來了,我們在布的這個程序上面,我們會盡量來加速。因為這也是長期我們在爭取的一個希望有的一個地方的建設。那當時在,甚至在胡志強市長在擔任市長的時候,我就跟蔡其昌委員一起去爭取了可行性評估的這個經費。那也當然過了很多年,鄉親都很期盼,交通部一定會來加速,所以這一點您放心。\n\n04:02.079 --> 04:22.229\n接著我再來問海線雙軌高價目前經費中央負擔221億台中市府負擔177億如果再拖下去未來造價會更高此外烏日大慶捷運高價化這個部分這是我們補償你的選區給你替路告解這部分從2013年\n\n04:28.769 --> 04:37.578\n到現在超過11年了啦,一直在耽擱,我不曉得說中央到底誰在卡,在卡什麼,為什麼這個進度都沒有辦法提前。\n\n04:38.257 --> 05:00.135\n那現在的程序一樣,在今年的3月23日,呈報行政院續審,續行審議。那國發會在6月19日,又函送審議的審查意見,又交給交通部。鐵道局6月27日,又函請臺中市府回應及修正報告。所以我剛才說的,你給我回答的,這次我又跟你說,\n\n05:01.817 --> 05:09.337\n這個部分來來往往來來往往短短的3.7公里總預算才83億到現在還卡在中央\n\n05:10.151 --> 05:33.486\n那如果說,上個會期我們也辦理會館考察,那現在到底是在卡什麼?你到底可以跟他說說,你的臨來,保定你的臨來,有辦法動工嗎?這案件有辦法合併動工嗎?這個案子跟剛剛的那個海線雙軌高架其實是同一個案子,他們併在一起,所以我剛剛有報告過,現在我們的交通\n\n05:34.026 --> 05:34.507\n那交通部這邊會來加速\n\n05:43.936 --> 06:05.711\n我們東北地區重要的我們鐵路建設、軌道建設如果溝通上有問題、有困難我願意說我們來召開一個中央跟地方的協調會議那也請院長、部長如果可以請你們來參加讓我們把所有的問題都釐清到底中央在卡、誰在卡還是地方有什麼\n\n06:06.531 --> 06:10.473\n報告委員,如果這個是部長當年選舉提出的政見,那我想部長要再謹慎的去跟地方了解一下。因為他沒有當選,是不是地方的人士不希望他這麼做?\n\n06:30.440 --> 06:52.409\n這十幾年齁如果沒有大家這個彼此的我跟你講現在台中市政府卡在中央的款項中央的核定跟補助地方沒有辦法靠一己之力台中市政府做不來一定要有中央的幫助所以我希望說我們院長跟部長能夠大力的來促成\n\n06:53.669 --> 07:14.921\n接下來我再來提就是我們高鐵特區現在積極發展烏日高鐵特區然後將台中發展成會議及會展中心導入觀光、休閒、商務等進駐台中這部分在現在的高鐵有一個投資案投資金額超過260億開發面積超過15公頃\n\n07:19.003 --> 07:47.983\n新建全國最大的購物商城,影城,五星級酒店,還有A級辦公大樓。購物中心的樓地擺面積超過9萬平,規模是臺中新光三列加上大圓白的1.6倍大,臺北101的4.8倍,預計在115年第4季要完工,將會是全臺最大的百貨購物商城。但在這個美好的憧憬之下,我們臺中人最擔心的就是交通的瓶頸。\n\n07:49.372 --> 08:03.250\n10月15日禮拜二我們江副院長也邀請部長率領交通部的團隊進行討論本席的辦公室也有例席參加那現在知道就是說一個月內要組成專案小組要針對國道一一增設交流道\n\n08:27.515 --> 08:55.047\n預期的目標跟方向我們當然希望未來整個商城起來之後那個地方不要有交通打擊的狀況那目前當然所謂的交通的輸運剛剛委員有提到那邊蠻複雜的有高鐵有台鐵有捷運還有高速公路還有快速道路那當然重要的是市區道路在那個地方要連結出來也是很重要那目前台中市政府正在辦理就是高鐵特定區那個地方的整個交通的整體的規劃\n\n08:56.147 --> 09:02.930\n那目前他們的案子其實蠻多有臺灣轉移有沒有溝通?部長有跟市政府溝通嗎?跟市政府交通局做過溝通嗎?\n\n09:02.930 --> 09:15.515\n那一天我在江副院長那邊有說過了齁我跟你講現在你也知道交通部會進入來協助我目前也已經折承了運研所、高工局跟公路局各單位大家一起參與跟他們一起來討論做一個專案的處理\n\n09:18.337 --> 09:35.807\n現在高鐵特區光是上下班時間車輛回堵到高架橋上這是每天都發生的未來這個115年商城完工之後那個會非常的困難所以你們現在一定要儘早提早來啟動那另外我要再提醒\n\n09:36.741 --> 10:03.164\n除了王田這個國道1號烏日閘道的偵測部分那我相信我們高工局這個部分他有提出要偵測閘道的困難但是我希望交通部能夠盡以你們的專業然後來了解能夠來積極的協調如果能夠偵測這個烏日閘道的部分利用烏日區他的現有的一個道路的一個路廊\n\n10:03.644 --> 10:03.904\n主席\n\n10:14.296 --> 10:34.353\n因為烏日地區我們知道這10年來移入的人口超過1萬人那尤其都是集中在高鐵特區那原本交通的負擔就很大加上這個鐵道局的促餐案未來會更吃緊所以中央千萬不要袖手旁觀中央能做的一定要先啟動這一點部長能不能做到\n\n10:35.411 --> 10:43.721\n這一點我們已經要組專案小組了,所以這個部分委員不用擔心,江副院長有出面協調,這個部分我們交通部會來協助。\n\n10:45.538 --> 11:04.733\n好,再來,剛剛提到的這個議題,鐵道建設,那所有的捷運,臺中的捷運都是,不管是北捷、高捷都經歷過這樣的陣痛期,都要點線面來形成這個捷運路網,那都是因為一開始的路線不完整,轉程的困難,民眾搭乘運不足,\n\n11:05.441 --> 11:25.861\n那所以現在台中除了綠線已經通車,藍線可行性評估核定,那目前正在進行的機場捷運,還有我們的機場捷運就是橘線,那捷運藍線延伸到太平,捷運紫線就是我們屯區環狀線,還有捷運綠線延伸到大坑及彰化的部分,\n\n11:26.533 --> 11:53.533\n那我今天要說的是捷運局限的部分因為他串聯屯區霧峰然後臺中火車站最後來到臺中國際機場那我想了解一下目前的進度那依照我現在所知道的就是113年7月2號的時候交通部召開捷運的審查會原則上同意那請臺中市政府依審查意見修正目前呢臺中市政府正在修正當中\n\n11:54.594 --> 12:18.509\n我們在跟施政委的交通局還有鐵道局在沙鹿會刊主要是希望能夠透過爭取局限的延伸段然後呢這個由台中機場延伸到沙鹿與臺灣大道的藍線做銜接就如同剛剛本席前面講到的捷運要達到入網的程度才能提升旅客的乘車意願那未來\n\n12:19.470 --> 12:22.963\n這個路線看起來最長乘車人士最多的路線應該就是藍線\n\n12:25.305 --> 12:51.070\n那原先規劃的捷運局限只有在台中火車站跟南線有交會所以希望能夠在海線也可以有交會處這樣可以擴大整個捷運的路網那以支線的方式讓捷運局限跟南線有更完善的一個轉乘機制能夠串聯台中港及台中國際機場就能夠形成更完整的打造捷運路網來發揮運輸的最大效益\n\n12:51.750 --> 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鐵道局6月27日,又函請臺中市府回應及修正報告。所以我剛才說的,你給我回答的,這次我又跟你說,"},{"start":301.817,"end":309.337,"text":"這個部分來來往往來來往往短短的3.7公里總預算才83億到現在還卡在中央"},{"start":310.151,"end":333.486,"text":"那如果說,上個會期我們也辦理會館考察,那現在到底是在卡什麼?你到底可以跟他說說,你的臨來,保定你的臨來,有辦法動工嗎?這案件有辦法合併動工嗎?這個案子跟剛剛的那個海線雙軌高架其實是同一個案子,他們併在一起,所以我剛剛有報告過,現在我們的交通"},{"start":334.026,"end":334.507,"text":"那交通部這邊會來加速"},{"start":343.936,"end":365.711,"text":"我們東北地區重要的我們鐵路建設、軌道建設如果溝通上有問題、有困難我願意說我們來召開一個中央跟地方的協調會議那也請院長、部長如果可以請你們來參加讓我們把所有的問題都釐清到底中央在卡、誰在卡還是地方有什麼"},{"start":366.531,"end":370.473,"text":"報告委員,如果這個是部長當年選舉提出的政見,那我想部長要再謹慎的去跟地方了解一下。因為他沒有當選,是不是地方的人士不希望他這麼做?"},{"start":390.44,"end":412.409,"text":"這十幾年齁 如果沒有大家這個彼此的 我跟你講 現在台中市政府卡在中央的款項 中央的核定跟補助 地方沒有辦法靠一己之力 台中市政府做不來 一定要有中央的幫助 所以我希望說我們院長跟部長能夠大力的來促成"},{"start":413.669,"end":434.921,"text":"接下來我再來提就是我們高鐵特區現在積極發展烏日高鐵特區然後將台中發展成會議及會展中心導入觀光、休閒、商務等進駐台中這部分在現在的高鐵有一個投資案投資金額超過260億開發面積超過15公頃"},{"start":439.003,"end":467.983,"text":"新建全國最大的購物商城,影城,五星級酒店,還有A級辦公大樓。 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交通部會進入來協助我目前也已經折承了運研所、高工局跟公路局各單位大家一起參與跟他們一起來討論做一個專案的處理"},{"start":558.337,"end":575.807,"text":"現在高鐵特區光是上下班時間車輛回堵到高架橋上這是每天都發生的未來這個115年商城完工之後那個會非常的困難所以你們現在一定要儘早提早來啟動那另外我要再提醒"},{"start":576.741,"end":603.164,"text":"除了王田這個國道1號烏日閘道的偵測部分那我相信我們高工局這個部分他有提出要偵測閘道的困難但是我希望交通部能夠盡以你們的專業然後來了解能夠來積極的協調如果能夠偵測這個烏日閘道的部分利用烏日區他的現有的一個道路的一個路廊"},{"start":603.644,"end":603.904,"text":"主席"},{"start":614.296,"end":634.353,"text":"因為烏日地區我們知道這10年來移入的人口超過1萬人那尤其都是集中在高鐵特區那原本交通的負擔就很大加上這個鐵道局的促餐案未來會更吃緊所以中央千萬不要袖手旁觀中央能做的一定要先啟動這一點部長能不能做到"},{"start":635.411,"end":643.721,"text":"這一點我們已經要組專案小組了,所以這個部分委員不用擔心,江副院長有出面協調,這個部分我們交通部會來協助。"},{"start":645.538,"end":664.733,"text":"好,再來,剛剛提到的這個議題,鐵道建設,那所有的捷運,臺中的捷運都是,不管是北捷、高捷都經歷過這樣的陣痛期,都要點線面來形成這個捷運路網,那都是因為一開始的路線不完整,轉程的困難,民眾搭乘運不足,"},{"start":665.441,"end":685.861,"text":"那所以現在台中除了綠線已經通車,藍線可行性評估核定,那目前正在進行的機場捷運,還有我們的機場捷運就是橘線,那捷運藍線延伸到太平,捷運紫線就是我們屯區環狀線,還有捷運綠線延伸到大坑及彰化的部分,"},{"start":686.533,"end":713.533,"text":"那我今天要說的是捷運局限的部分因為他串聯屯區霧峰然後臺中火車站最後來到臺中國際機場那我想了解一下目前的進度那依照我現在所知道的就是113年7月2號的時候交通部召開捷運的審查會原則上同意那請臺中市政府依審查意見修正目前呢臺中市政府正在修正當中"},{"start":714.594,"end":738.509,"text":"我們在跟施政委的交通局還有鐵道局在沙鹿會刊主要是希望能夠透過爭取局限的延伸段然後呢這個由台中機場延伸到沙鹿與臺灣大道的藍線做銜接就如同剛剛本席前面講到的捷運要達到入網的程度才能提升旅客的乘車意願那未來"},{"start":739.47,"end":742.963,"text":"這個路線看起來最長乘車人士最多的路線應該就是藍線"},{"start":745.305,"end":771.07,"text":"那原先規劃的捷運局限只有在台中火車站跟南線有交會所以希望能夠在海線也可以有交會處這樣可以擴大整個捷運的路網那以支線的方式讓捷運局限跟南線有更完善的一個轉乘機制能夠串聯台中港及台中國際機場就能夠形成更完整的打造捷運路網來發揮運輸的最大效益"},{"start":771.75,"end":792.84,"text":"另外捷運局限的部分因這個當地的要求往北的部分也希望能夠延伸到清水清水人口近年來也急速的成長目前人口已經突破9萬這兩段的延伸線 院長部長可不可以支持"},{"start":796.436,"end":811.267,"text":"報告委員,這個部分其實局限正在臺中市政府它的可研當中,所以延伸的部分其實可以放得進去,那如果有需要經費可研的部分,可簡訊研究的部分有需要經費,交通部也都支持。"},{"start":812.06,"end":827.127,"text":"對,所以我們在15號的時候,我們副院長這邊召集的這個協商會議,院長、部長、部長當你們做成協議,就是說把延伸的部分也一併提出,納入這一次的一個會議、一個修正。那好,那我想"},{"start":829.209,"end":857.243,"text":"院長部長如果支持我希望說這不是口頭上最主要就是行動行動的支持最重要那臺中市已經成為第二大城市那也是我們國冷藍奶北氧必經之地都要經過臺中那未來臺中的發展也是對整個臺灣有一個最臺中的發展對臺灣的幫助也最大臺中市每一年創稅給中央接近2000億"},{"start":858.683,"end":884.395,"text":"那但是中央不管透過統籌分配或者是其他的一般補助到回到台中的都不足大概在800億左右那這樣子的部分所以我們希望在任何的不管是尤其是交通建設不要大小眼我們看台中也好、高雄也好、台南也好不要把台中看作最衰末台中的比例永遠是最少"},{"start":884.815,"end":901.953,"text":"所以這部分我希望既然部長你容認了你能夠擔任這個交通部的部長那過去你的選區在我們大烏龍希望你能夠重視我們台中市的發展好 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繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1138101_00008"}}}