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00:01:06,291\n本土業者反映\n\n5\n00:01:16,650 --> 00:01:19,352\n三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n\n6\n00:01:40,791 --> 00:01:41,212\n法定人數不足\n\n7\n00:01:56,904 --> 00:02:20,826\n我們的釀酒現在民間釀酒也相當的蓬勃而且有好幾家的酒廠在世界的評比上也獲得了不錯的成績那如果正照委員所說的幫我們的農產品能夠結合下去那是我們的特色如果能夠往這個方向是好的不過昨天到了這個創新技術的博覽會鳳梨可以抽成纖維做成衣服做成帽子\n\n8\n00:02:24,389 --> 00:02:50,348\n謝謝院長很正面的回應讓我們回到今天我們的主題那院長今天是交通組的質詢那有些問題本市在星期二的時候已經跟院長您討論過今天會繼續來討論後續希望從您的口中聽到好消息那我們今天工程會的陳主委也有在現場本市也希望工程會可以盡速的成立這次台東因為山脫颱風造成的這個搶災的工程\n\n9\n00:02:51,589 --> 00:03:10,004\n讓臺東可以早日復原。主委,我們在10月11日,我帶著交通部次長,還有原民會副主委,還有工程會同仁,前往臺東的災區勘災。我相信同仁應該有跟你回報這些情況。那這次的災情對臺東傷害非常大,我們初估的預算重建大概要花超過5億。\n\n10\n00:03:12,262 --> 00:03:34,423\n臺東縣作為一個財政五級的窮縣市,相關的災後預備的經費本來就不多,我們急需中央的奧援。本席有兩點請院長還有主委可以來允諾。第一,就是相關公共工程重建的所需資源,中央一定要來協助。第一,災後搶修搶險的工程要快,我們希望工程會能夠在11月點,\n\n11\n00:03:35,143 --> 00:03:53,199\n十一月底以前完成相關的審計加速我們災區的重建。院長、主委,台東的災民從基台中央的關注。中央最有效的關注就是資源的預注。我相信資源只要到位,臺東的災區能夠早日重建就是對臺東最好的關心。\n\n12\n00:03:56,797 --> 00:04:21,977\n報告委員,那麼歷次颱風的災損,那麼工程會都會發函給各縣市政府,那麼針對公共設施的損害,那麼災搶險的部分,各縣市政府如果災損金不夠用,那麼他可以整個鄉鎮公所報起來說報行政院,行政院公共工程委員會協調各部會有的必要去現場\n\n13\n00:04:22,978 --> 00:04:37,977\n三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、\n\n14\n00:04:40,336 --> 00:04:56,181\n一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、七、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、\n\n15\n00:05:08,086 --> 00:05:09,972\n三位有沒有體驗過台東的慢經濟?\n\n16\n00:05:16,894 --> 00:05:44,856\n他是一個非常適合在那邊享受生命的地方如果院長、部長、諸位你們沒有去過的話本席建議你們好好的體驗因為這是屬於臺東的多元民主的這個慢經濟那臺東的觀光已經不是早期人家說的好山好水好無聊我們現在走的是叫做在地的體驗那我們會透過一些大地藝術結像是透過藝術家結合在地人文地景的這個結合讓旅客們能夠感受到當地特別的\n\n17\n00:05:46,237 --> 00:05:57,987\n這個就是當年賴總統推動的這個地方創生。那讓我們來台東的UK,可以感受到台東特殊的文化。我想讓台東要體驗這樣的觀光體驗,最重要的是什麼?\n\n18\n00:05:57,987 --> 00:06:10,597\n交通要通嘛,你交通要通嘛。但是從零四零三地震以來,我們台東花東的交通命脈很大節。那迎來觀光客變得非常困難,我們交通三不五時就回去。\n\n19\n00:06:12,313 --> 00:06:19,475\n臺東人也跟著產,知道為什麼嗎?因為我們回家的道路變遠了,我們時間增加了,我們交通成本增加了。本席這邊有幾點訴求,來替我們臺東的鄉親,要跟院長、部長處理來請命。\n\n20\n00:06:42,950 --> 00:07:08,437\n零四零三地震之後我們北圍鐵路跟蘇花公路只要遇到大雨就會發生土石流交通中斷那我想地震之後地貿都有了很大的改變我講政府應該要有新的因應措施嘛那就本期我拿到的這些資料這些地震相關的資料我們台鐵有委託一個那個台鐵委託這個顧問公司這個核定的一個叫做什麼\n\n21\n00:07:09,137 --> 00:07:32,705\n鐵路邊坡養護手冊完成邊坡分級及精進分級。部長你知道這個計畫嗎?這個應該是邊坡安全的鞏固。對,對,對,很長的名字,很長的。部長知道這個計畫嗎?欸,知道。部長你知道這是110年的資料嗎?已經,這是111年的,經過大地震之後,我們交通部有沒有重新來做評估?\n\n22\n00:07:34,085 --> 00:08:02,627\n如果沒有的話本席要趕快整個邊波的告警系統我們也有重新的檢討而且建置新的整個告警系統這個要趕快重新再評估整個第一次地震爆還有整個安全的調查本席這邊也要強調我們政府現在要趕快規劃我們怎麼樣改善我們北回鐵路還有蘇花公路像是你是不是要改道改線或是要新建民隧道甚至我們蘇花改要趕快的來加速進行除此之外本席也要\n\n23\n00:08:03,442 --> 00:08:05,763\n報告委員這一次在颱風之前的兩天我們就已經開始開會在討論這件事\n\n24\n00:08:32,765 --> 00:08:37,808\n所以其實該做的準備都有做準備那當然有些地方有攤房那所幸\n\n25\n00:08:38,993 --> 00:08:39,574\n有時候颱風來的時候空運也會停海運也會停\n\n26\n00:09:06,236 --> 00:09:10,079\n院長,這個部分本是要請院長督促政府要改進。我們可以以後發生的事情,我們是怎麼行政?我想這個民眾會很有感啊。院長你是認同這件事情?\n\n27\n00:09:33,790 --> 00:09:51,918\n對,當然這個很多的風災,如果我們這個預警預告的系統能夠很準確的話,事前該做的事情其實都是暗部做的。我們可以先預防嘛對不對,我們知道可能會,我們可能會落下當,我們車上準備好,我們可以先做這個準備,是不是變化先好。這次颱風來的時候就已經在\n\n28\n00:09:52,771 --> 00:10:06,397\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、\n\n29\n00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:31,751\n院長部長,你知道台北台東單程車票多少?火車票?不到800,大概700多。那你知道一旦蘇花北回中斷,我們先不要講飛機喔。民眾從台鐵搭火車到高雄,再搭高鐵到台北的費用是多少?1900,中間兩倍啦,中間兩倍齁。\n\n30\n00:10:35,735 --> 00:11:00,824\n本事要強調從0403地震之後只要一道大雨蘇花北回中段就變成常態那之前我們都有跟交通部來反映要求趕快來協調那交通部每次給我的回覆就是說台北到花蓮有加強台東呢台東有啦但是因為那大城市有背城又有崗位所以我們不應該請假啦部長你知道花蓮飛台北市多少錢嗎\n\n31\n00:11:02,008 --> 00:11:05,072\n一千七,你知道台東飛台北是多少錢嗎?\n\n32\n00:11:05,072 --> 00:11:13,503\n飛機票,兩千五,你如果是跟機票寫相,我相信大城市不會是這樣子的數字啦,對不對?\n\n33\n00:11:13,503 --> 00:11:17,749\n我想我們未來政府數據,那數據不能看表,要去看\n\n34\n00:11:18,592 --> 00:11:23,436\n臺東縣是一個產業比較單一的縣市,我們民眾普遍說都不是這麼高,本市這邊要求,未來因為災害所增加的交通成本,由中央來負責,協助負擔。\n\n35\n00:11:41,138 --> 00:12:03,991\n那最後我們在討論臺東交通離島的問題之前我要在這邊公開跟我們部長說聲謝謝回應我在委員會提到要動漲臺鐵車票的這個提案那公開表示我們明年春節前臺鐵不會漲票價這部分我要感謝部長也跟你贊許啦齁那我想不過還有一群人他沒有辦法被照顧到就是離島的居民\n\n36\n00:12:06,343 --> 00:12:26,974\n議員長這個畫面有沒有很熟悉?我們第一次在這次會議上講到,四個月前我們質詢的時候提到地道南嶼的班機因為氣候影響沒有辦法正常起降,我想過了四個月了,我想交通部你應該有一個明確的做法,是不是可以請部長來說明一下,未來要怎麼做?你說機場的部分嗎?飛機沒有辦法正常起降的問題。\n\n37\n00:12:28,053 --> 00:12:46,874\n有時候遇到那個大風真的是沒有辦法,但是在工程上如果可以加強的部分我們其實都會來做。民航局目前針對蘭嶼的機場也正在做加強當中。你說你們的方式是,來進的方式是什麼?你說機場不能飛的時候嗎?飛機不能正常起降的這個問題\n\n38\n00:12:48,857 --> 00:13:09,073\n可是風大的時候就真的是不能請教這是海運的方法啦沒關係啦部長我知道您也剛稍微你很忙不過是不是可以將整個因的方式能夠跟分析出來報告你們接的方式也要出來啊對不對我就是走海運啊您的意思是走海運嘛對不對好謝謝部長有時候風大的時候海運也不行但是我們努力\n\n39\n00:13:11,580 --> 00:13:38,736\n謝謝部長,部長還是對台東的交通的努力我們也是要謝謝。那院長我們去年台東機場終於跑到完成的整建,那允許大型的客機可以起飛,像那個B738或A32都可以起降了。那我們今年在8月在台東縣政府努力接下來我們也迎來了第一次這個越南台東的包機直航,而且在10月份會再追加4次的這個架次。\n\n40\n00:13:39,946 --> 00:13:59,139\n那我知道其實蔡政府實際投資了很多的經費在做我們整個停機坪跟滑行道的這個整建那但是我想要問的是說我們工程完成了那這麼長的時間沒有使用我們台東機場的軟硬體可不可以跟得上坦白跟各位報告齁\n\n41\n00:14:00,780 --> 00:14:27,996\n我每次搭飛機的時候都覺得我們的空橋是裝飾品因為從來沒有用過要不是這次包機我不知道我們的空橋還是好的那我想未來我們台東會越來越多的這樣國際觀光客來台東玩那我們要為了要迎接更多的觀光客我們相應的軟硬體要跟得上那相關的設備改善的部分交通部也要來補全院長讓我們一起把台東的觀光做大讓來台東的旅客更多爭取更多的觀光客好不好\n\n42\n00:14:31,047 --> 00:14:49,733\n我們一定努力上次我們約好去台東結果因為颱風來我剛剛還在談就近的時間趕快再到台東去也許不一定看到什麼樣的現場但就未來的發展我們有一個共同的印象共同的影像這樣我們來共同的來努力會比較有聚焦\n\n43\n00:14:50,393 --> 00:15:04,968\n謝謝院長,院長臺東是一個,臺東是一個德國的小社會,我常常覺得臺灣何其有幸擁有臺東,因為這裡不僅族群多元,風景美麗,物產豐富,而且人民非常的純樸,\n\n44\n00:15:06,429 --> 00:15:20,180\n再次拜託政府不要因為臺東人口較少而忽略它。我們希望能夠公平地對待臺東,讓臺東擁有更完善的交通系統,讓我們可以發揮臺東特有的慢經濟實力。謝謝部長、謝謝院長、謝謝主委。謝謝黃委員、謝謝卓院長。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3709\t9020\t謝謝 副院長我們有請卓院長還有交通部陳部長以及我們工程會的陳主委卓院長、陳部長、陳主委請備詢\n23155\t35867\t黃委員好 院長好 院長 院長 本席昨天在經濟委員會有跟我們的那個陳部長討論到關於農業產業的問題 因為時間有限 那沒有辦法好好的討論所以今天的延續來跟我們卓院長來繼續討論這個部分\n38129\t64489\t那臺灣的農產品現在有一個很嚴重的問題,就是外銷。 那些農民很簡單的,他們不懂政治,所以只要把東西賣出去就好。那既然現在我們兩岸有出現一些問題,那在銷售上有一些小狀況,我想很多人就提到說,既然不會賣出去,我們來做加工嘛,來做加工。那我本時也看到現在市面上出現像鳳梨、啤酒這樣的產品,我覺得讓產業來升級,這個也是一個不錯的方法。\n65330\t66291\t本土業者反映\n76650\t79352\t三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n100791\t101212\t法定人數不足\n116904\t140826\t我們的釀酒現在民間釀酒也相當的蓬勃而且有好幾家的酒廠在世界的評比上也獲得了不錯的成績那如果正照委員所說的幫我們的農產品能夠結合下去那是我們的特色如果能夠往這個方向是好的不過昨天到了這個創新技術的博覽會鳳梨可以抽成纖維做成衣服做成帽子\n144389\t170348\t謝謝院長很正面的回應讓我們回到今天我們的主題那院長今天是交通組的質詢那有些問題本市在星期二的時候已經跟院長您討論過今天會繼續來討論後續希望從您的口中聽到好消息那我們今天工程會的陳主委也有在現場本市也希望工程會可以盡速的成立這次台東因為山脫颱風造成的這個搶災的工程\n171589\t190004\t讓臺東可以早日復原。 主委,我們在10月11日,我帶著交通部次長,還有原民會副主委,還有工程會同仁,前往臺東的災區勘災。 我相信同仁應該有跟你回報這些情況。那這次的災情對臺東傷害非常大,我們初估的預算重建大概要花超過5億。\n192262\t214423\t臺東縣作為一個財政五級的窮縣市,相關的災後預備的經費本來就不多,我們急需中央的奧援。本席有兩點請院長還有主委可以來允諾。第一,就是相關公共工程重建的所需資源,中央一定要來協助。第一,災後搶修搶險的工程要快,我們希望工程會能夠在11月點,\n215143\t233199\t十一月底以前完成相關的審計加速我們災區的重建。 院長、主委,台東的災民從基台中央的關注。 中央最有效的關注就是資源的預注。 我相信資源只要到位,臺東的災區能夠早日重建就是對臺東最好的關心。\n236797\t261977\t報告委員,那麼歷次颱風的災損,那麼工程會都會發函給各縣市政府,那麼針對公共設施的損害,那麼災搶險的部分,各縣市政府如果災損金不夠用,那麼他可以整個鄉鎮公所報起來說報行政院,行政院公共工程委員會協調各部會有的必要去現場\n262978\t277977\t三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、\n280336\t296181\t一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、七、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、\n308086\t309972\t三位有沒有體驗過台東的慢經濟?\n316894\t344856\t他是一個非常適合在那邊享受生命的地方如果院長、部長、諸位你們沒有去過的話本席建議你們好好的體驗因為這是屬於臺東的多元民主的這個慢經濟那臺東的觀光已經不是早期人家說的好山好水好無聊我們現在走的是叫做在地的體驗那我們會透過一些大地藝術結像是透過藝術家結合在地人文地景的這個結合讓旅客們能夠感受到當地特別的\n346237\t357987\t這個就是當年賴總統推動的這個地方創生。那讓我們來台東的UK,可以感受到台東特殊的文化。我想讓台東要體驗這樣的觀光體驗,最重要的是什麼?\n357987\t370597\t交通要通嘛,你交通要通嘛。但是從零四零三地震以來,我們台東花東的交通命脈很大節。那迎來觀光客變得非常困難,我們交通三不五時就回去。\n372313\t379475\t臺東人也跟著產,知道為什麼嗎?因為我們回家的道路變遠了,我們時間增加了,我們交通成本增加了。本席這邊有幾點訴求,來替我們臺東的鄉親,要跟院長、部長處理來請命。\n402950\t428437\t零四零三地震之後我們北圍鐵路跟蘇花公路只要遇到大雨就會發生土石流交通中斷那我想地震之後地貿都有了很大的改變我講政府應該要有新的因應措施嘛那就本期我拿到的這些資料這些地震相關的資料我們台鐵有委託一個那個台鐵委託這個顧問公司這個核定的一個叫做什麼\n429137\t452705\t鐵路邊坡養護手冊完成邊坡分級及精進分級。部長你知道這個計畫嗎?這個應該是邊坡安全的鞏固。對,對,對,很長的名字,很長的。部長知道這個計畫嗎?欸,知道。部長你知道這是110年的資料嗎?已經,這是111年的,經過大地震之後,我們交通部有沒有重新來做評估?\n454085\t482627\t如果沒有的話本席要趕快整個邊波的告警系統我們也有重新的檢討而且建置新的整個告警系統這個要趕快重新再評估整個第一次地震爆還有整個安全的調查本席這邊也要強調我們政府現在要趕快規劃我們怎麼樣改善我們北回鐵路還有蘇花公路像是你是不是要改道改線或是要新建民隧道甚至我們蘇花改要趕快的來加速進行除此之外本席也要\n483442\t485763\t報告委員這一次在颱風之前的兩天我們就已經開始開會在討論這件事\n512765\t517808\t所以其實該做的準備都有做準備那當然有些地方有攤房那所幸\n518993\t519574\t有時候颱風來的時候 空運也會停 海運也會停\n546236\t550079\t院長,這個部分本是要請院長督促政府要改進。我們可以以後發生的事情,我們是怎麼行政?我想這個民眾會很有感啊。 院長你是認同這件事情?\n573790\t591918\t對,當然這個很多的風災,如果我們這個預警預告的系統能夠很準確的話,事前該做的事情其實都是暗部做的。 我們可以先預防嘛對不對,我們知道可能會,我們可能會落下當,我們車上準備好,我們可以先做這個準備,是不是變化先好。 這次颱風來的時候就已經在\n592771\t606397\t二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、\n612040\t631751\t院長部長,你知道台北台東單程車票多少?火車票?不到800,大概700多。那你知道一旦蘇花北回中斷,我們先不要講飛機喔。民眾從台鐵搭火車到高雄,再搭高鐵到台北的費用是多少?1900,中間兩倍啦,中間兩倍齁。\n635735\t660824\t本事要強調從0403地震之後只要一道大雨 蘇花北回中段就變成常態那之前我們都有跟交通部來反映 要求趕快來協調那交通部每次給我的回覆就是說 台北到花蓮有加強 台東呢 台東有啦 但是因為那大城市有背城 又有崗位 所以我們不應該請假啦部長你知道花蓮飛台北市多少錢嗎\n662008\t665072\t一千七,你知道台東飛台北是多少錢嗎?\n665072\t673503\t飛機票,兩千五,你如果是跟機票寫相,我相信大城市不會是這樣子的數字啦,對不對?\n673503\t677749\t我想我們未來政府數據,那數據不能看表,要去看\n678592\t683436\t臺東縣是一個產業比較單一的縣市,我們民眾普遍說都不是這麼高,本市這邊要求,未來因為災害所增加的交通成本,由中央來負責,協助負擔。\n701138\t723991\t那最後我們在討論臺東交通離島的問題之前我要在這邊公開跟我們部長說聲謝謝回應我在委員會提到要動漲臺鐵車票的這個提案那公開表示我們明年春節前臺鐵不會漲票價這部分我要感謝部長也跟你贊許啦齁那我想不過還有一群人他沒有辦法被照顧到就是離島的居民\n726343\t746974\t議員長這個畫面有沒有很熟悉?我們第一次在這次會議上講到,四個月前我們質詢的時候提到地道南嶼的班機因為氣候影響沒有辦法正常起降,我想過了四個月了,我想交通部你應該有一個明確的做法,是不是可以請部長來說明一下,未來要怎麼做?你說機場的部分嗎?飛機沒有辦法正常起降的問題。\n748053\t766874\t有時候遇到那個大風真的是沒有辦法,但是在工程上如果可以加強的部分我們其實都會來做。民航局目前針對蘭嶼的機場也正在做加強當中。你說你們的方式是,來進的方式是什麼?你說機場不能飛的時候嗎?飛機不能正常起降的這個問題\n768857\t789073\t可是風大的時候就真的是不能請教這是海運的方法啦沒關係啦部長我知道您也剛稍微你很忙不過是不是可以將整個因的方式能夠跟分析出來報告你們接的方式也要出來啊對不對我就是走海運啊您的意思是走海運嘛對不對好謝謝部長有時候風大的時候海運也不行但是我們努力\n791580\t818736\t謝謝部長,部長還是對台東的交通的努力我們也是要謝謝。那院長我們去年台東機場終於跑到完成的整建,那允許大型的客機可以起飛,像那個B738或A32都可以起降了。那我們今年在8月在台東縣政府努力接下來我們也迎來了第一次這個越南台東的包機直航,而且在10月份會再追加4次的這個架次。\n819946\t839139\t那我知道其實蔡政府實際投資了很多的經費在做我們整個停機坪跟滑行道的這個整建那但是我想要問的是說我們工程完成了那這麼長的時間沒有使用我們台東機場的軟硬體可不可以跟得上坦白跟各位報告齁\n840780\t867996\t我每次搭飛機的時候都覺得我們的空橋是裝飾品因為從來沒有用過要不是這次包機我不知道我們的空橋還是好的那我想未來我們台東會越來越多的這樣國際觀光客來台東玩那我們要為了要迎接更多的觀光客我們相應的軟硬體要跟得上那相關的設備改善的部分交通部也要來補全院長讓我們一起把台東的觀光做大讓來台東的旅客更多爭取更多的觀光客好不好\n871047\t889733\t我們一定努力上次我們約好去台東結果因為颱風來我剛剛還在談就近的時間趕快再到台東去也許不一定看到什麼樣的現場但就未來的發展我們有一個共同的印象共同的影像這樣我們來共同的來努力會比較有聚焦\n890393\t904968\t謝謝院長,院長臺東是一個,臺東是一個德國的小社會,我常常覺得臺灣何其有幸擁有臺東,因為這裡不僅族群多元,風景美麗,物產豐富,而且人民非常的純樸,\n906429\t920180\t再次拜託政府不要因為臺東人口較少而忽略它。我們希望能夠公平地對待臺東,讓臺東擁有更完善的交通系統,讓我們可以發揮臺東特有的慢經濟實力。謝謝部長、謝謝院長、謝謝主委。謝謝黃委員、謝謝卓院長。\n","txt":"謝謝 副院長我們有請卓院長還有交通部陳部長以及我們工程會的陳主委卓院長、陳部長、陳主委請備詢\n黃委員好 院長好 院長 院長 本席昨天在經濟委員會有跟我們的那個陳部長討論到關於農業產業的問題 因為時間有限 那沒有辦法好好的討論所以今天的延續來跟我們卓院長來繼續討論這個部分\n那臺灣的農產品現在有一個很嚴重的問題,就是外銷。 那些農民很簡單的,他們不懂政治,所以只要把東西賣出去就好。那既然現在我們兩岸有出現一些問題,那在銷售上有一些小狀況,我想很多人就提到說,既然不會賣出去,我們來做加工嘛,來做加工。那我本時也看到現在市面上出現像鳳梨、啤酒這樣的產品,我覺得讓產業來升級,這個也是一個不錯的方法。\n本土業者反映\n三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n法定人數不足\n我們的釀酒現在民間釀酒也相當的蓬勃而且有好幾家的酒廠在世界的評比上也獲得了不錯的成績那如果正照委員所說的幫我們的農產品能夠結合下去那是我們的特色如果能夠往這個方向是好的不過昨天到了這個創新技術的博覽會鳳梨可以抽成纖維做成衣服做成帽子\n謝謝院長很正面的回應讓我們回到今天我們的主題那院長今天是交通組的質詢那有些問題本市在星期二的時候已經跟院長您討論過今天會繼續來討論後續希望從您的口中聽到好消息那我們今天工程會的陳主委也有在現場本市也希望工程會可以盡速的成立這次台東因為山脫颱風造成的這個搶災的工程\n讓臺東可以早日復原。 主委,我們在10月11日,我帶著交通部次長,還有原民會副主委,還有工程會同仁,前往臺東的災區勘災。 我相信同仁應該有跟你回報這些情況。那這次的災情對臺東傷害非常大,我們初估的預算重建大概要花超過5億。\n臺東縣作為一個財政五級的窮縣市,相關的災後預備的經費本來就不多,我們急需中央的奧援。本席有兩點請院長還有主委可以來允諾。第一,就是相關公共工程重建的所需資源,中央一定要來協助。第一,災後搶修搶險的工程要快,我們希望工程會能夠在11月點,\n十一月底以前完成相關的審計加速我們災區的重建。 院長、主委,台東的災民從基台中央的關注。 中央最有效的關注就是資源的預注。 我相信資源只要到位,臺東的災區能夠早日重建就是對臺東最好的關心。\n報告委員,那麼歷次颱風的災損,那麼工程會都會發函給各縣市政府,那麼針對公共設施的損害,那麼災搶險的部分,各縣市政府如果災損金不夠用,那麼他可以整個鄉鎮公所報起來說報行政院,行政院公共工程委員會協調各部會有的必要去現場\n三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、\n一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、七、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、\n三位有沒有體驗過台東的慢經濟?\n他是一個非常適合在那邊享受生命的地方如果院長、部長、諸位你們沒有去過的話本席建議你們好好的體驗因為這是屬於臺東的多元民主的這個慢經濟那臺東的觀光已經不是早期人家說的好山好水好無聊我們現在走的是叫做在地的體驗那我們會透過一些大地藝術結像是透過藝術家結合在地人文地景的這個結合讓旅客們能夠感受到當地特別的\n這個就是當年賴總統推動的這個地方創生。那讓我們來台東的UK,可以感受到台東特殊的文化。我想讓台東要體驗這樣的觀光體驗,最重要的是什麼?\n交通要通嘛,你交通要通嘛。但是從零四零三地震以來,我們台東花東的交通命脈很大節。那迎來觀光客變得非常困難,我們交通三不五時就回去。\n臺東人也跟著產,知道為什麼嗎?因為我們回家的道路變遠了,我們時間增加了,我們交通成本增加了。本席這邊有幾點訴求,來替我們臺東的鄉親,要跟院長、部長處理來請命。\n零四零三地震之後我們北圍鐵路跟蘇花公路只要遇到大雨就會發生土石流交通中斷那我想地震之後地貿都有了很大的改變我講政府應該要有新的因應措施嘛那就本期我拿到的這些資料這些地震相關的資料我們台鐵有委託一個那個台鐵委託這個顧問公司這個核定的一個叫做什麼\n鐵路邊坡養護手冊完成邊坡分級及精進分級。部長你知道這個計畫嗎?這個應該是邊坡安全的鞏固。對,對,對,很長的名字,很長的。部長知道這個計畫嗎?欸,知道。部長你知道這是110年的資料嗎?已經,這是111年的,經過大地震之後,我們交通部有沒有重新來做評估?\n如果沒有的話本席要趕快整個邊波的告警系統我們也有重新的檢討而且建置新的整個告警系統這個要趕快重新再評估整個第一次地震爆還有整個安全的調查本席這邊也要強調我們政府現在要趕快規劃我們怎麼樣改善我們北回鐵路還有蘇花公路像是你是不是要改道改線或是要新建民隧道甚至我們蘇花改要趕快的來加速進行除此之外本席也要\n報告委員這一次在颱風之前的兩天我們就已經開始開會在討論這件事\n所以其實該做的準備都有做準備那當然有些地方有攤房那所幸\n有時候颱風來的時候 空運也會停 海運也會停\n院長,這個部分本是要請院長督促政府要改進。我們可以以後發生的事情,我們是怎麼行政?我想這個民眾會很有感啊。 院長你是認同這件事情?\n對,當然這個很多的風災,如果我們這個預警預告的系統能夠很準確的話,事前該做的事情其實都是暗部做的。 我們可以先預防嘛對不對,我們知道可能會,我們可能會落下當,我們車上準備好,我們可以先做這個準備,是不是變化先好。 這次颱風來的時候就已經在\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、\n院長部長,你知道台北台東單程車票多少?火車票?不到800,大概700多。那你知道一旦蘇花北回中斷,我們先不要講飛機喔。民眾從台鐵搭火車到高雄,再搭高鐵到台北的費用是多少?1900,中間兩倍啦,中間兩倍齁。\n本事要強調從0403地震之後只要一道大雨 蘇花北回中段就變成常態那之前我們都有跟交通部來反映 要求趕快來協調那交通部每次給我的回覆就是說 台北到花蓮有加強 台東呢 台東有啦 但是因為那大城市有背城 又有崗位 所以我們不應該請假啦部長你知道花蓮飛台北市多少錢嗎\n一千七,你知道台東飛台北是多少錢嗎?\n飛機票,兩千五,你如果是跟機票寫相,我相信大城市不會是這樣子的數字啦,對不對?\n我想我們未來政府數據,那數據不能看表,要去看\n臺東縣是一個產業比較單一的縣市,我們民眾普遍說都不是這麼高,本市這邊要求,未來因為災害所增加的交通成本,由中央來負責,協助負擔。\n那最後我們在討論臺東交通離島的問題之前我要在這邊公開跟我們部長說聲謝謝回應我在委員會提到要動漲臺鐵車票的這個提案那公開表示我們明年春節前臺鐵不會漲票價這部分我要感謝部長也跟你贊許啦齁那我想不過還有一群人他沒有辦法被照顧到就是離島的居民\n議員長這個畫面有沒有很熟悉?我們第一次在這次會議上講到,四個月前我們質詢的時候提到地道南嶼的班機因為氣候影響沒有辦法正常起降,我想過了四個月了,我想交通部你應該有一個明確的做法,是不是可以請部長來說明一下,未來要怎麼做?你說機場的部分嗎?飛機沒有辦法正常起降的問題。\n有時候遇到那個大風真的是沒有辦法,但是在工程上如果可以加強的部分我們其實都會來做。民航局目前針對蘭嶼的機場也正在做加強當中。你說你們的方式是,來進的方式是什麼?你說機場不能飛的時候嗎?飛機不能正常起降的這個問題\n可是風大的時候就真的是不能請教這是海運的方法啦沒關係啦部長我知道您也剛稍微你很忙不過是不是可以將整個因的方式能夠跟分析出來報告你們接的方式也要出來啊對不對我就是走海運啊您的意思是走海運嘛對不對好謝謝部長有時候風大的時候海運也不行但是我們努力\n謝謝部長,部長還是對台東的交通的努力我們也是要謝謝。那院長我們去年台東機場終於跑到完成的整建,那允許大型的客機可以起飛,像那個B738或A32都可以起降了。那我們今年在8月在台東縣政府努力接下來我們也迎來了第一次這個越南台東的包機直航,而且在10月份會再追加4次的這個架次。\n那我知道其實蔡政府實際投資了很多的經費在做我們整個停機坪跟滑行道的這個整建那但是我想要問的是說我們工程完成了那這麼長的時間沒有使用我們台東機場的軟硬體可不可以跟得上坦白跟各位報告齁\n我每次搭飛機的時候都覺得我們的空橋是裝飾品因為從來沒有用過要不是這次包機我不知道我們的空橋還是好的那我想未來我們台東會越來越多的這樣國際觀光客來台東玩那我們要為了要迎接更多的觀光客我們相應的軟硬體要跟得上那相關的設備改善的部分交通部也要來補全院長讓我們一起把台東的觀光做大讓來台東的旅客更多爭取更多的觀光客好不好\n我們一定努力上次我們約好去台東結果因為颱風來我剛剛還在談就近的時間趕快再到台東去也許不一定看到什麼樣的現場但就未來的發展我們有一個共同的印象共同的影像這樣我們來共同的來努力會比較有聚焦\n謝謝院長,院長臺東是一個,臺東是一個德國的小社會,我常常覺得臺灣何其有幸擁有臺東,因為這裡不僅族群多元,風景美麗,物產豐富,而且人民非常的純樸,\n再次拜託政府不要因為臺東人口較少而忽略它。我們希望能夠公平地對待臺東,讓臺東擁有更完善的交通系統,讓我們可以發揮臺東特有的慢經濟實力。謝謝部長、謝謝院長、謝謝主委。謝謝黃委員、謝謝卓院長。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.709 --> 00:09.020\n謝謝副院長我們有請卓院長還有交通部陳部長以及我們工程會的陳主委卓院長、陳部長、陳主委請備詢\n\n00:23.155 --> 00:35.867\n黃委員好院長好院長院長本席昨天在經濟委員會有跟我們的那個陳部長討論到關於農業產業的問題因為時間有限那沒有辦法好好的討論所以今天的延續來跟我們卓院長來繼續討論這個部分\n\n00:38.129 --> 01:04.489\n那臺灣的農產品現在有一個很嚴重的問題,就是外銷。那些農民很簡單的,他們不懂政治,所以只要把東西賣出去就好。那既然現在我們兩岸有出現一些問題,那在銷售上有一些小狀況,我想很多人就提到說,既然不會賣出去,我們來做加工嘛,來做加工。那我本時也看到現在市面上出現像鳳梨、啤酒這樣的產品,我覺得讓產業來升級,這個也是一個不錯的方法。\n\n01:05.330 --> 01:06.291\n本土業者反映\n\n01:16.650 --> 01:19.352\n三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n\n01:40.791 --> 01:41.212\n法定人數不足\n\n01:56.904 --> 02:20.826\n我們的釀酒現在民間釀酒也相當的蓬勃而且有好幾家的酒廠在世界的評比上也獲得了不錯的成績那如果正照委員所說的幫我們的農產品能夠結合下去那是我們的特色如果能夠往這個方向是好的不過昨天到了這個創新技術的博覽會鳳梨可以抽成纖維做成衣服做成帽子\n\n02:24.389 --> 02:50.348\n謝謝院長很正面的回應讓我們回到今天我們的主題那院長今天是交通組的質詢那有些問題本市在星期二的時候已經跟院長您討論過今天會繼續來討論後續希望從您的口中聽到好消息那我們今天工程會的陳主委也有在現場本市也希望工程會可以盡速的成立這次台東因為山脫颱風造成的這個搶災的工程\n\n02:51.589 --> 03:10.004\n讓臺東可以早日復原。主委,我們在10月11日,我帶著交通部次長,還有原民會副主委,還有工程會同仁,前往臺東的災區勘災。我相信同仁應該有跟你回報這些情況。那這次的災情對臺東傷害非常大,我們初估的預算重建大概要花超過5億。\n\n03:12.262 --> 03:34.423\n臺東縣作為一個財政五級的窮縣市,相關的災後預備的經費本來就不多,我們急需中央的奧援。本席有兩點請院長還有主委可以來允諾。第一,就是相關公共工程重建的所需資源,中央一定要來協助。第一,災後搶修搶險的工程要快,我們希望工程會能夠在11月點,\n\n03:35.143 --> 03:53.199\n十一月底以前完成相關的審計加速我們災區的重建。院長、主委,台東的災民從基台中央的關注。中央最有效的關注就是資源的預注。我相信資源只要到位,臺東的災區能夠早日重建就是對臺東最好的關心。\n\n03:56.797 --> 04:21.977\n報告委員,那麼歷次颱風的災損,那麼工程會都會發函給各縣市政府,那麼針對公共設施的損害,那麼災搶險的部分,各縣市政府如果災損金不夠用,那麼他可以整個鄉鎮公所報起來說報行政院,行政院公共工程委員會協調各部會有的必要去現場\n\n04:22.978 --> 04:37.977\n三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、\n\n04:40.336 --> 04:56.181\n一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、七、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、\n\n05:08.086 --> 05:09.972\n三位有沒有體驗過台東的慢經濟?\n\n05:16.894 --> 05:44.856\n他是一個非常適合在那邊享受生命的地方如果院長、部長、諸位你們沒有去過的話本席建議你們好好的體驗因為這是屬於臺東的多元民主的這個慢經濟那臺東的觀光已經不是早期人家說的好山好水好無聊我們現在走的是叫做在地的體驗那我們會透過一些大地藝術結像是透過藝術家結合在地人文地景的這個結合讓旅客們能夠感受到當地特別的\n\n05:46.237 --> 05:57.987\n這個就是當年賴總統推動的這個地方創生。那讓我們來台東的UK,可以感受到台東特殊的文化。我想讓台東要體驗這樣的觀光體驗,最重要的是什麼?\n\n05:57.987 --> 06:10.597\n交通要通嘛,你交通要通嘛。但是從零四零三地震以來,我們台東花東的交通命脈很大節。那迎來觀光客變得非常困難,我們交通三不五時就回去。\n\n06:12.313 --> 06:19.475\n臺東人也跟著產,知道為什麼嗎?因為我們回家的道路變遠了,我們時間增加了,我們交通成本增加了。本席這邊有幾點訴求,來替我們臺東的鄉親,要跟院長、部長處理來請命。\n\n06:42.950 --> 07:08.437\n零四零三地震之後我們北圍鐵路跟蘇花公路只要遇到大雨就會發生土石流交通中斷那我想地震之後地貿都有了很大的改變我講政府應該要有新的因應措施嘛那就本期我拿到的這些資料這些地震相關的資料我們台鐵有委託一個那個台鐵委託這個顧問公司這個核定的一個叫做什麼\n\n07:09.137 --> 07:32.705\n鐵路邊坡養護手冊完成邊坡分級及精進分級。部長你知道這個計畫嗎?這個應該是邊坡安全的鞏固。對,對,對,很長的名字,很長的。部長知道這個計畫嗎?欸,知道。部長你知道這是110年的資料嗎?已經,這是111年的,經過大地震之後,我們交通部有沒有重新來做評估?\n\n07:34.085 --> 08:02.627\n如果沒有的話本席要趕快整個邊波的告警系統我們也有重新的檢討而且建置新的整個告警系統這個要趕快重新再評估整個第一次地震爆還有整個安全的調查本席這邊也要強調我們政府現在要趕快規劃我們怎麼樣改善我們北回鐵路還有蘇花公路像是你是不是要改道改線或是要新建民隧道甚至我們蘇花改要趕快的來加速進行除此之外本席也要\n\n08:03.442 --> 08:05.763\n報告委員這一次在颱風之前的兩天我們就已經開始開會在討論這件事\n\n08:32.765 --> 08:37.808\n所以其實該做的準備都有做準備那當然有些地方有攤房那所幸\n\n08:38.993 --> 08:39.574\n有時候颱風來的時候空運也會停海運也會停\n\n09:06.236 --> 09:10.079\n院長,這個部分本是要請院長督促政府要改進。我們可以以後發生的事情,我們是怎麼行政?我想這個民眾會很有感啊。院長你是認同這件事情?\n\n09:33.790 --> 09:51.918\n對,當然這個很多的風災,如果我們這個預警預告的系統能夠很準確的話,事前該做的事情其實都是暗部做的。我們可以先預防嘛對不對,我們知道可能會,我們可能會落下當,我們車上準備好,我們可以先做這個準備,是不是變化先好。這次颱風來的時候就已經在\n\n09:52.771 --> 10:06.397\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、\n\n10:12.040 --> 10:31.751\n院長部長,你知道台北台東單程車票多少?火車票?不到800,大概700多。那你知道一旦蘇花北回中斷,我們先不要講飛機喔。民眾從台鐵搭火車到高雄,再搭高鐵到台北的費用是多少?1900,中間兩倍啦,中間兩倍齁。\n\n10:35.735 --> 11:00.824\n本事要強調從0403地震之後只要一道大雨蘇花北回中段就變成常態那之前我們都有跟交通部來反映要求趕快來協調那交通部每次給我的回覆就是說台北到花蓮有加強台東呢台東有啦但是因為那大城市有背城又有崗位所以我們不應該請假啦部長你知道花蓮飛台北市多少錢嗎\n\n11:02.008 --> 11:05.072\n一千七,你知道台東飛台北是多少錢嗎?\n\n11:05.072 --> 11:13.503\n飛機票,兩千五,你如果是跟機票寫相,我相信大城市不會是這樣子的數字啦,對不對?\n\n11:13.503 --> 11:17.749\n我想我們未來政府數據,那數據不能看表,要去看\n\n11:18.592 --> 11:23.436\n臺東縣是一個產業比較單一的縣市,我們民眾普遍說都不是這麼高,本市這邊要求,未來因為災害所增加的交通成本,由中央來負責,協助負擔。\n\n11:41.138 --> 12:03.991\n那最後我們在討論臺東交通離島的問題之前我要在這邊公開跟我們部長說聲謝謝回應我在委員會提到要動漲臺鐵車票的這個提案那公開表示我們明年春節前臺鐵不會漲票價這部分我要感謝部長也跟你贊許啦齁那我想不過還有一群人他沒有辦法被照顧到就是離島的居民\n\n12:06.343 --> 12:26.974\n議員長這個畫面有沒有很熟悉?我們第一次在這次會議上講到,四個月前我們質詢的時候提到地道南嶼的班機因為氣候影響沒有辦法正常起降,我想過了四個月了,我想交通部你應該有一個明確的做法,是不是可以請部長來說明一下,未來要怎麼做?你說機場的部分嗎?飛機沒有辦法正常起降的問題。\n\n12:28.053 --> 12:46.874\n有時候遇到那個大風真的是沒有辦法,但是在工程上如果可以加強的部分我們其實都會來做。民航局目前針對蘭嶼的機場也正在做加強當中。你說你們的方式是,來進的方式是什麼?你說機場不能飛的時候嗎?飛機不能正常起降的這個問題\n\n12:48.857 --> 13:09.073\n可是風大的時候就真的是不能請教這是海運的方法啦沒關係啦部長我知道您也剛稍微你很忙不過是不是可以將整個因的方式能夠跟分析出來報告你們接的方式也要出來啊對不對我就是走海運啊您的意思是走海運嘛對不對好謝謝部長有時候風大的時候海運也不行但是我們努力\n\n13:11.580 --> 13:38.736\n謝謝部長,部長還是對台東的交通的努力我們也是要謝謝。那院長我們去年台東機場終於跑到完成的整建,那允許大型的客機可以起飛,像那個B738或A32都可以起降了。那我們今年在8月在台東縣政府努力接下來我們也迎來了第一次這個越南台東的包機直航,而且在10月份會再追加4次的這個架次。\n\n13:39.946 --> 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那些農民很簡單的,他們不懂政治,所以只要把東西賣出去就好。那既然現在我們兩岸有出現一些問題,那在銷售上有一些小狀況,我想很多人就提到說,既然不會賣出去,我們來做加工嘛,來做加工。那我本時也看到現在市面上出現像鳳梨、啤酒這樣的產品,我覺得讓產業來升級,這個也是一個不錯的方法。"},{"start":65.33,"end":66.291,"text":"本土業者反映"},{"start":76.65,"end":79.352,"text":"三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。"},{"start":100.791,"end":101.212,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":116.904,"end":140.826,"text":"我們的釀酒現在民間釀酒也相當的蓬勃而且有好幾家的酒廠在世界的評比上也獲得了不錯的成績那如果正照委員所說的幫我們的農產品能夠結合下去那是我們的特色如果能夠往這個方向是好的不過昨天到了這個創新技術的博覽會鳳梨可以抽成纖維做成衣服做成帽子"},{"start":144.389,"end":170.348,"text":"謝謝院長很正面的回應讓我們回到今天我們的主題那院長今天是交通組的質詢那有些問題本市在星期二的時候已經跟院長您討論過今天會繼續來討論後續希望從您的口中聽到好消息那我們今天工程會的陳主委也有在現場本市也希望工程會可以盡速的成立這次台東因為山脫颱風造成的這個搶災的工程"},{"start":171.589,"end":190.004,"text":"讓臺東可以早日復原。 主委,我們在10月11日,我帶著交通部次長,還有原民會副主委,還有工程會同仁,前往臺東的災區勘災。 我相信同仁應該有跟你回報這些情況。那這次的災情對臺東傷害非常大,我們初估的預算重建大概要花超過5億。"},{"start":192.262,"end":214.423,"text":"臺東縣作為一個財政五級的窮縣市,相關的災後預備的經費本來就不多,我們急需中央的奧援。本席有兩點請院長還有主委可以來允諾。第一,就是相關公共工程重建的所需資源,中央一定要來協助。第一,災後搶修搶險的工程要快,我們希望工程會能夠在11月點,"},{"start":215.143,"end":233.199,"text":"十一月底以前完成相關的審計加速我們災區的重建。 院長、主委,台東的災民從基台中央的關注。 中央最有效的關注就是資源的預注。 我相信資源只要到位,臺東的災區能夠早日重建就是對臺東最好的關心。"},{"start":236.797,"end":261.977,"text":"報告委員,那麼歷次颱風的災損,那麼工程會都會發函給各縣市政府,那麼針對公共設施的損害,那麼災搶險的部分,各縣市政府如果災損金不夠用,那麼他可以整個鄉鎮公所報起來說報行政院,行政院公共工程委員會協調各部會有的必要去現場"},{"start":262.978,"end":277.977,"text":"三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、"},{"start":280.336,"end":296.181,"text":"一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、七、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、十、一、二、"},{"start":308.086,"end":309.972,"text":"三位有沒有體驗過台東的慢經濟?"},{"start":316.894,"end":344.856,"text":"他是一個非常適合在那邊享受生命的地方如果院長、部長、諸位你們沒有去過的話本席建議你們好好的體驗因為這是屬於臺東的多元民主的這個慢經濟那臺東的觀光已經不是早期人家說的好山好水好無聊我們現在走的是叫做在地的體驗那我們會透過一些大地藝術結像是透過藝術家結合在地人文地景的這個結合讓旅客們能夠感受到當地特別的"},{"start":346.237,"end":357.987,"text":"這個就是當年賴總統推動的這個地方創生。那讓我們來台東的UK,可以感受到台東特殊的文化。我想讓台東要體驗這樣的觀光體驗,最重要的是什麼?"},{"start":357.987,"end":370.597,"text":"交通要通嘛,你交通要通嘛。但是從零四零三地震以來,我們台東花東的交通命脈很大節。那迎來觀光客變得非常困難,我們交通三不五時就回去。"},{"start":372.313,"end":379.475,"text":"臺東人也跟著產,知道為什麼嗎?因為我們回家的道路變遠了,我們時間增加了,我們交通成本增加了。本席這邊有幾點訴求,來替我們臺東的鄉親,要跟院長、部長處理來請命。"},{"start":402.95,"end":428.437,"text":"零四零三地震之後我們北圍鐵路跟蘇花公路只要遇到大雨就會發生土石流交通中斷那我想地震之後地貿都有了很大的改變我講政府應該要有新的因應措施嘛那就本期我拿到的這些資料這些地震相關的資料我們台鐵有委託一個那個台鐵委託這個顧問公司這個核定的一個叫做什麼"},{"start":429.137,"end":452.705,"text":"鐵路邊坡養護手冊完成邊坡分級及精進分級。部長你知道這個計畫嗎?這個應該是邊坡安全的鞏固。對,對,對,很長的名字,很長的。部長知道這個計畫嗎?欸,知道。部長你知道這是110年的資料嗎?已經,這是111年的,經過大地震之後,我們交通部有沒有重新來做評估?"},{"start":454.085,"end":482.627,"text":"如果沒有的話本席要趕快整個邊波的告警系統我們也有重新的檢討而且建置新的整個告警系統這個要趕快重新再評估整個第一次地震爆還有整個安全的調查本席這邊也要強調我們政府現在要趕快規劃我們怎麼樣改善我們北回鐵路還有蘇花公路像是你是不是要改道改線或是要新建民隧道甚至我們蘇花改要趕快的來加速進行除此之外本席也要"},{"start":483.442,"end":485.763,"text":"報告委員這一次在颱風之前的兩天我們就已經開始開會在討論這件事"},{"start":512.765,"end":517.808,"text":"所以其實該做的準備都有做準備那當然有些地方有攤房那所幸"},{"start":518.993,"end":519.574,"text":"有時候颱風來的時候 空運也會停 海運也會停"},{"start":546.236,"end":550.079,"text":"院長,這個部分本是要請院長督促政府要改進。我們可以以後發生的事情,我們是怎麼行政?我想這個民眾會很有感啊。 院長你是認同這件事情?"},{"start":573.79,"end":591.918,"text":"對,當然這個很多的風災,如果我們這個預警預告的系統能夠很準確的話,事前該做的事情其實都是暗部做的。 我們可以先預防嘛對不對,我們知道可能會,我們可能會落下當,我們車上準備好,我們可以先做這個準備,是不是變化先好。 這次颱風來的時候就已經在"},{"start":592.771,"end":606.397,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、"},{"start":612.04,"end":631.751,"text":"院長部長,你知道台北台東單程車票多少?火車票?不到800,大概700多。那你知道一旦蘇花北回中斷,我們先不要講飛機喔。民眾從台鐵搭火車到高雄,再搭高鐵到台北的費用是多少?1900,中間兩倍啦,中間兩倍齁。"},{"start":635.735,"end":660.824,"text":"本事要強調從0403地震之後只要一道大雨 蘇花北回中段就變成常態那之前我們都有跟交通部來反映 要求趕快來協調那交通部每次給我的回覆就是說 台北到花蓮有加強 台東呢 台東有啦 但是因為那大城市有背城 又有崗位 所以我們不應該請假啦部長你知道花蓮飛台北市多少錢嗎"},{"start":662.008,"end":665.072,"text":"一千七,你知道台東飛台北是多少錢嗎?"},{"start":665.072,"end":673.503,"text":"飛機票,兩千五,你如果是跟機票寫相,我相信大城市不會是這樣子的數字啦,對不對?"},{"start":673.503,"end":677.749,"text":"我想我們未來政府數據,那數據不能看表,要去看"},{"start":678.592,"end":683.436,"text":"臺東縣是一個產業比較單一的縣市,我們民眾普遍說都不是這麼高,本市這邊要求,未來因為災害所增加的交通成本,由中央來負責,協助負擔。"},{"start":701.138,"end":723.991,"text":"那最後我們在討論臺東交通離島的問題之前我要在這邊公開跟我們部長說聲謝謝回應我在委員會提到要動漲臺鐵車票的這個提案那公開表示我們明年春節前臺鐵不會漲票價這部分我要感謝部長也跟你贊許啦齁那我想不過還有一群人他沒有辦法被照顧到就是離島的居民"},{"start":726.343,"end":746.974,"text":"議員長這個畫面有沒有很熟悉?我們第一次在這次會議上講到,四個月前我們質詢的時候提到地道南嶼的班機因為氣候影響沒有辦法正常起降,我想過了四個月了,我想交通部你應該有一個明確的做法,是不是可以請部長來說明一下,未來要怎麼做?你說機場的部分嗎?飛機沒有辦法正常起降的問題。"},{"start":748.053,"end":766.874,"text":"有時候遇到那個大風真的是沒有辦法,但是在工程上如果可以加強的部分我們其實都會來做。民航局目前針對蘭嶼的機場也正在做加強當中。你說你們的方式是,來進的方式是什麼?你說機場不能飛的時候嗎?飛機不能正常起降的這個問題"},{"start":768.857,"end":789.073,"text":"可是風大的時候就真的是不能請教這是海運的方法啦沒關係啦部長我知道您也剛稍微你很忙不過是不是可以將整個因的方式能夠跟分析出來報告你們接的方式也要出來啊對不對我就是走海運啊您的意思是走海運嘛對不對好謝謝部長有時候風大的時候海運也不行但是我們努力"},{"start":791.58,"end":818.736,"text":"謝謝部長,部長還是對台東的交通的努力我們也是要謝謝。那院長我們去年台東機場終於跑到完成的整建,那允許大型的客機可以起飛,像那個B738或A32都可以起降了。那我們今年在8月在台東縣政府努力接下來我們也迎來了第一次這個越南台東的包機直航,而且在10月份會再追加4次的這個架次。"},{"start":819.946,"end":839.139,"text":"那我知道其實蔡政府實際投資了很多的經費在做我們整個停機坪跟滑行道的這個整建那但是我想要問的是說我們工程完成了那這麼長的時間沒有使用我們台東機場的軟硬體可不可以跟得上坦白跟各位報告齁"},{"start":840.78,"end":867.996,"text":"我每次搭飛機的時候都覺得我們的空橋是裝飾品因為從來沒有用過要不是這次包機我不知道我們的空橋還是好的那我想未來我們台東會越來越多的這樣國際觀光客來台東玩那我們要為了要迎接更多的觀光客我們相應的軟硬體要跟得上那相關的設備改善的部分交通部也要來補全院長讓我們一起把台東的觀光做大讓來台東的旅客更多爭取更多的觀光客好不好"},{"start":871.047,"end":889.733,"text":"我們一定努力上次我們約好去台東結果因為颱風來我剛剛還在談就近的時間趕快再到台東去也許不一定看到什麼樣的現場但就未來的發展我們有一個共同的印象共同的影像這樣我們來共同的來努力會比較有聚焦"},{"start":890.393,"end":904.968,"text":"謝謝院長,院長臺東是一個,臺東是一個德國的小社會,我常常覺得臺灣何其有幸擁有臺東,因為這裡不僅族群多元,風景美麗,物產豐富,而且人民非常的純樸,"},{"start":906.429,"end":920.18,"text":"再次拜託政府不要因為臺東人口較少而忽略它。我們希望能夠公平地對待臺東,讓臺東擁有更完善的交通系統,讓我們可以發揮臺東特有的慢經濟實力。謝謝部長、謝謝院長、謝謝主委。謝謝黃委員、謝謝卓院長。"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":449,"blocks":[["黃委員建賓：（15時51分）謝謝副院長，有請卓院長還有交通部陳部長以及工程會陳主委。"],["主席：卓院長、陳部長、陳主委，請備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：委員好。"],["黃委員建賓：院長好。院長，本席昨天在經濟委員會有跟陳部長討論到關於農業產業的問題，因為時間有限，沒有辦法好好地討論，所以今天延續來跟卓院長繼續討論這個部分。臺灣的農產品現在有一個很嚴重的問題就是外銷，其實農民很簡單，他們不懂政治，所以只要把東西賣出去就好，既然現在兩岸出現一些問題，在銷售上有一些小狀況，我想很多人就提到說，既然賣不出去我們就來做加工，本席也看到現在市面上出現像鳳梨啤酒這樣的產品，我覺得讓產業升級也是一個不錯的方法。另外本土業者就跟本席反映其實現在他們壓力很大，因為中國大陸進口啤酒到臺灣來，我想我們在這邊不是要鼓勵喝酒，當然開車不喝酒，這個我們一定要倡導，不要酒後駕車，不過每個國家都有自己的酒類文化，像日本的sake、蘇格蘭的whisky還有德國的啤酒，我相信臺灣應該也可以結合我們豐富的農產品來推廣自己臺灣品牌的酒類，對不對？不僅如此，還可以解決我們農業現在的問題。請問部長，未來是不是可以大力地協助我們本土的釀酒業，甚至跨部會跟業者共同討論如何將臺灣的釀酒產業提升，甚至能夠外銷？院長，這個部分是不是可以協助？"],["卓院長榮泰：現在我們民間的釀酒也相當地蓬勃，有好幾家酒廠在世界的評比上也獲得了不錯的成績，如果遵照委員所說的，幫我們的農產品能夠結合下去，那是我們的特色，能夠往這個方向是好的。我昨天到了創新技術的博覽會，鳳梨可以抽成纖維做成衣服、做成帽子。"],["黃委員建賓：都是一個項目，對吧！"],["卓院長榮泰：對。"],["黃委員建賓：好，謝謝院長很正面的回應。我們回到今天的主題，院長，今天是交通組的質詢，有些問題本席在星期二的時候已經跟院長您討論過，今天會繼續來討論後續，我希望從您的口中聽到好消息。今天工程會的陳主委也有在現場，本席也希望工程會可以儘速地審議這次臺東因為山陀兒颱風造成的搶災工程，讓臺東可以早日復原。主委，10月11號，我帶著交通部次長、原民會副主委還有工程會同仁前往臺東的災區勘災，我相信同仁應該有跟你回報這些情況，這次的災情對臺東傷害非常大，我們粗估的重建預算大概要花超過5億，臺東縣做為一個財政五級的窮縣市，相關的災後預備經費本來就不多，我們急需中央的奧援。本席有兩點請院長還有主委允諾，第一、相關公共工程重建的所需資源，中央一定要來協助；第二、災後搶修搶險的工程審議要快，我們希望工程會能夠在11月底以前完成相關的審議，加速我們災區的重建。院長、主委，臺東的災民最期待中央的關注，中央最有效的關注就是資源的挹注，我相信資源只要到位，臺東的災區能夠早日重建，就是對臺東最好的關心。"],["陳主任委員金德：報告委員，歷次颱風的災損，工程會都會發函給各縣市政府，針對公共設施的損害，搶災、搶險的部分，各縣市政府如果災準金不夠用，那麼它可以整個鄉鎮公所報請行政院，行政院公共工程委員會會協調各部會，有必要去現場現勘的或者是去了解的，等這些都評估之後，工程會會儘速來核定這些經費。"],["黃委員建賓：謝謝主委，謝謝主委很正面的回應。","我想產業要發展，觀光要發展，最主要的是交通要好，陳部長是本席上任以來，今年第3個交通部長，陳部長我來跟您確認一下，本席在6月11號質詢完前任的交通部長之後，他是不是有確實的將臺東的問題都好好的交接給陳部長您的團隊裡面來？院長、部長及主委，你們都有去過臺東，對臺東的印象是什麼？"],["卓院長榮泰：非常好。"],["黃委員建賓：熱氣球、釋迦、知本溫泉，對不對？那三位有沒有體驗過臺東的慢經濟？"],["卓院長榮泰：慢經濟，它是一個非常適合在那邊享受生命的地方。"],["黃委員建賓：對，如果院長、部長、主委，你們沒有去過的話，本席建議你們好好的體驗，因為這是屬於臺東多元民主的慢經濟。臺東的觀光已經不是早期人家說的好山、好水、好無聊，我們現在走的是叫作在地體驗，我們會透過一些大地藝術節，像是透過藝術家與在地人文地景的結合，讓旅客們能夠感受到當地特別的文化，這個就是當年賴總統推動的地方創生，讓來臺東的遊客可以感受到臺東特殊的文化。在臺東要體驗這樣的觀光體驗最重要的是什麼？交通要通嘛！但是從0403地震以來，花東的交通命脈就打結，迎來觀光客變得非常困難，我們交通三不五時就中斷，那遊客要怎麼來？所以不只是花蓮的觀光慘，臺東的觀光也很慘，不只觀光慘，連居住在這邊的臺東人，還有旅外的臺東人也跟著慘，知道為什麼嗎？因為我們回家的道路變遠了，我們花費的時間增加了，我們的交通成本增加了。本席這邊有幾點訴求要來替臺東的鄉親跟院長、部長、主委來請命，0403地震之後，北迴鐵路跟蘇花高、蘇花公路只要遇到大雨就會發生土石流，交通中斷，地震之後，地質、地貌都有了很大的改變，政府應該要有新的因應措施。就本席拿到的這些地震相關資料，臺鐵有委託顧問公司核定了一個叫作鐵路邊坡養護手冊，完成邊坡分級及精進分級，部長，你知道這個計畫嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：這個應該是邊坡安全的鞏固。"],["黃委員建賓：對，名字很長，部長知道這個計畫嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：知道。"],["黃委員建賓：那你知道這是111年的資料嗎？111年，經過大地震之後，交通部有沒有重新來做評估，如果沒有的話，本席要求要趕快。"],["陳部長世凱：當然基於整個邊坡的告警系統，我們也有重新檢討，而且要整個建置新的告警系統。"],["黃委員建賓：這個要趕快重新來評估……"],["陳部長世凱：這個有。"],["黃委員建賓：整個地質、地貌還有整個安全的調查，本席這邊也要強調，政府現在要趕快規劃怎麼樣改善北迴鐵路，還有蘇花公路，像是不是要改道、改線，或者要興建明隧道，甚至蘇花改要趕快加速進行嘛！除此之外，本席也要要求交通部，在災害發生之前，要趕快做好預防性的一些措施，像是接駁運輸規劃。部長，氣象局是在您管轄底下嘛！你可以第一時間掌握第一手的資料，你也可以依照氣象局給你的資訊來針對幾個容易坍方的路段做預防性的措施、疏散嘛！"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，這一次在颱風之前的兩天，我們就已經開始開會在討論這件事，所以其實該做的準備都有做，當然有些地方有坍方，所幸沒有造成什麼傷亡，所以這個部分我們有儘量在防治了。"],["黃委員建賓：部長，沒有造成損傷，可是還是造成民眾的困擾，車忽然間不能走之後，所有的民眾都卡在車站那邊，往前、往南、往北都不對嘛！然後罵聲連連的時候，交通部再趕快調動車子去運輸，我想這個都可以預防性地先跟公車業者做好……"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，有時候颱風來的時候，空運也會停、海運也會停，道路中斷我們也不是很願意，但是真的遇到的時候還是要……"],["黃委員建賓：部長，我們講的不是發生當下，是之後有這樣的情況，而且有些時候是還沒有真的發生災情，是預防性停的時候，你要怎麼運輸嘛！院長，這個部分，本席要請院長督促交通部改進，明明可以預防發生的事情，我們為什麼不先做？我想這個民眾會很有感，院長，你是不是認同這件事情？"],["卓院長榮泰：對，當然很多的風災，如果預警、預告的系統能夠很準確的話，事前該做的事情其實都是按部就班……"],["黃委員建賓：我們可以先預防嘛，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：正在做。"],["黃委員建賓：我們知道路可能會斷，車子就先準備好，可以事先做好這些準備，是不是比發生了再來做還要好？"],["卓院長榮泰：像這次颱風來的時候就已經啟動整個海空的備援系統。"],["黃委員建賓：院長，跟您報告，這次南迴線也發生一樣的情況，一片混亂。院長，本席要求這個部分真的要來改進。"],["卓院長榮泰：好的，好的。"],["黃委員建賓：謝謝院長。另外，我想道路中斷之後，整個交通經費、費用都提升，院長、部長，你知道臺北、臺東單程的火車票多少？不到八百，大概七百多；那你知道一旦蘇花、北迴中斷，我們先不要講飛機，民眾從臺鐵搭火車到高雄，再搭高鐵到臺北的費用是多少？1,900，將近兩倍。本席要強調，從0403地震之後，只要遇到大雨，蘇花、北迴中斷就變成常態。之前我們都有跟交通部反映，要求趕快協調，鐵路、航空要趕快調度，但交通部每次給我的回復就是臺北到花蓮有加強，那臺東呢？他說：臺東有啦，但是因為搭乘率只有八成，還有空位，所以我們不增加啦。部長，你知道花蓮飛臺北是多少錢嗎？1,700，你知道臺東飛臺北的飛機票是多少錢嗎？2,500，你如果讓機票價格一樣，我相信搭乘率不會是這樣子的數字啦，對不對？我想未來政府不能只看表面數據，要去研究背後的原因。我強調蘇花、北迴中斷影響的不只花蓮，臺東也是會影響到。臺東縣是一個產業比較單一的縣市，我們民眾普遍收入都不是這麼高。本席在這邊要求，未來因為災害所增加的交通成本，要由中央來負責協助負擔。","最後，在我們討論臺東交通離島的問題之前，我要在這邊公開跟部長說聲謝謝，回應我在委員會提到要凍漲臺鐵車票的這個提案，部長公開表示明年春節前臺鐵不會漲票價，這部分我要感謝部長，也跟你讚許啦。不過還有一群人沒有辦法被照顧到，就是離島的居民。院長，這個畫面有沒有很熟悉？我們上次質詢時有提到，4個月前我們質詢的時候提到，離島蘭嶼的班機因為氣候影響，沒有辦法正常起降，過了4個月了，我想交通部應該有一個明確的作法，是不是可以請部長來說明一下未來要怎麼做？"],["陳部長世凱：你說機場的部分嗎？"],["黃委員建賓：飛機沒有辦法正常起降的問題。"],["陳部長世凱：有時候遇到大風，真的是沒有辦法，但是在工程上如果可以加強的部分，我們其實都會來做，民航局目前針對蘭嶼的機場也正在加強當中。"],["黃委員建賓：你們改進的方式是什麼？"],["陳部長世凱：你說機場不能飛的時候嗎？"],["黃委員建賓：飛機不能正常起降的問題。"],["陳部長世凱：可是風大的時候就真的是不能起降。"],["黃委員建賓：你們因應的方法。沒關係，部長，我知道你也剛上任，也很忙，會後是不是可以將整個因應的方式跟本席做一個報告？"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["黃委員建賓：你們接駁方式要出來啊，對不對？"],["陳部長世凱：我就是走海運，您的意思是走海運嘛，對不對？"],["黃委員建賓：好，謝謝部長。"],["陳部長世凱：有時候風大的時候海運也不行，但是我們努力，我們努力。"],["黃委員建賓：好，謝謝部長，對於你對臺東交通的努力，我們也是要謝謝。","院長，我們去年臺東機場的跑道終於完成整建，允許大型的客機可以起飛，像B738或A32都可以起降了，今年8月在臺東縣政府的努力之下，我們也迎來了第一次越南、臺東的包機直航，而且在10月份會再追加4次的架次。我知道其實蔡政府時期投資很多經費，做整個停機坪跟滑行道的整建，但是我想要問的是，工程完成了，這麼長的時間沒有使用，我們臺東機場的軟硬體可不可以跟得上？坦白跟各位報告，我每次搭飛機的時候都覺得我們的空橋是裝飾品，因為從來沒有用過，要不是這次包機，我不知道我們的空橋還是好的。我想未來我們臺東會越來越多這樣的國際觀光客來臺東玩，為了要迎接更多的觀光客，我們相應的軟硬體要跟得上，相關設備改善的部分交通部也要來補全。院長，讓我們一起把臺東的觀光做大，讓來臺東的旅客更多、爭取更多觀光客，好不好？院長，可以嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們一定努力。上次我們約好去臺東，結果因為颱風來，我剛剛還在談，就近的時間趕快再到臺東去，也許不一定看到什麼樣的現場，但就未來的發展，我們有一個共同的映象、共同的影像，這樣我們共同來努力會比較聚焦。"],["黃委員建賓：謝謝院長。院長，臺東是一個多元的小社會，我常常覺得臺灣何其有幸擁有臺東，因為這裡不僅族群多元、風景美麗、物產豐富，主要是人民非常地純樸。也要再一次拜託政府，不要因為臺東的人口較少而忽略它，我們希望能夠公平地對待臺東，讓臺東擁有更完善的交通系統，讓我們可以發揮臺東特有的慢經濟實力！謝謝部長、謝謝院長、謝謝主委。"],["卓院長榮泰：我跟委員的想法完全一致，謝謝。"],["黃委員建賓：謝謝！"],["主席：謝謝黃委員，謝謝卓院長。","報告院會，休息5分鐘，休息之後繼續進行質詢，現在休息。","休息（16時6分）","繼續開會（16時12分）"]],"agenda":{"page_end":108,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-5","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","郭國文","張嘉郡","柯志恩","林憶君","廖先翔","顏寬恒","謝衣鳯","賴惠員","陳冠廷","鄭正鈐","黃建賓","陳超明","吳琪銘","陳秀寳","徐巧芯","林倩綺","邱若華"],"page_start":44,"meetingDate":["2024-10-18"],"gazette_id":"1138101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138101_00002","1138101_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第5次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1138101_00008"}}}