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00:02:04,526\n蔡前總統到英國訪問之所以會有一些異動是因為英國方考慮到國際情勢的原因與否?\n\n8\n00:02:21,345 --> 00:02:23,146\n我想要問的是說有一名西班牙籍的男子奧納德在國外犯下了逾10億的台幣詐騙案在台灣生活5年\n\n9\n00:02:42,722 --> 00:02:44,323\n請問移民署在將人送往新加坡轉機的時候有沒有事先向新加坡溝通\n\n10\n00:03:06,395 --> 00:03:10,399\n當初移民署將人送往新加坡轉機的時候移民署有沒有先跟外交部請外交部跟新加坡溝通\n\n11\n00:03:30,776 --> 00:03:35,037\n那為什麼會如果有溝通的話為什麼會在新加坡的時候才知道要被遣返回來\n\n12\n00:03:57,864 --> 00:04:15,120\n那是涉及到因為就像你講西班牙政府因為他們跟這個新加坡之間沒有這個引渡的條約那你們事前不知道沒有溝通因為我們從西班牙方面得到的訊息是配合就是說他們有這個關係\n\n13\n00:04:19,283 --> 00:04:44,842\n實際上並沒有引渡條約所以後來我們一起配合那個interpol就是把他再遣返到遣送到第三地那你們當時在這個男子的這個轉送的過程當中你們沒有問過西班牙說是否有跟新加坡簽引渡條約沒有問這個是由內政部根據他們跟就是西班牙政府相關的單位他們沒有問也沒有諮詢外交部\n\n14\n00:04:45,658 --> 00:04:46,398\n所以在後續才跟外交部確認請外交部協助的是這樣嗎\n\n15\n00:05:00,830 --> 00:05:06,872\n那我想請一下我們那個今天好像沒來是不是我們次長好像人不在本來想要請田光忠次長的那但是呢今天我相信你已經看到新聞了有關於這個阿拉伯這個中東危機的部分我想要請問一下就是可以看一下下面這一張\n\n16\n00:05:26,659 --> 00:05:46,682\n你先看一下右邊這個人他跟我們田次長站在一起合影但我必須說合影很正常因為這個人他在許許多多的地方都跟很多人合影但是我只是覺得說如果連我們田次長的合影都被有心人利用到外面去做詐騙的話那這個外交部也要負上很大的責任\n\n17\n00:05:47,282 --> 00:06:08,055\n來我們看一下下一個請問你們知道外交部長你知道這個協會他是屬於官方單位還是民間單位嗎民間單位那他們是在做什麼服務的內政部登記的社團好那他們沙烏地阿拉伯駐台正式單位的名稱是什麼阿拉伯駐台他們代表處不是啊\n\n18\n00:06:14,352 --> 00:06:14,652\n沙烏地阿拉伯駐台商務辦事處\n\n19\n00:06:35,246 --> 00:06:37,249\n阿拉伯在台商務協會所以他可以使用chamber\n\n20\n00:06:48,370 --> 00:06:50,491\n你們早就知道名詞是不行的你知道嗎你們今天被問到的時候講的不清不楚\n\n21\n00:07:09,659 --> 00:07:34,450\n可是實際上外交部早就在112年的3月12號提出呢像這個沙烏地阿拉伯辦事處講到呢有關約旦阿曼及沙拉伯阿拉伯商業辦事處反映的這個阿拉伯在台商務協會然後呢他可能運作有誤導國人跟妨礙公益一事他附了20頁的影本告訴你說這是有問題的因為\n\n22\n00:07:35,751 --> 00:07:59,923\n他們辦事處注意到這個ACCT上面有加了chamber一個詞還有阿拉伯這個詞讓民眾誤以為他是阿拉伯國家的成員而不是只是一個在地的商會跟組織跟委員會請問一下為什麼這件事情從112年我們的中東國家三個國家的這個代表處辦事處都向外交部反映但卻遲遲沒有下文跟結果\n\n23\n00:08:01,107 --> 00:08:23,259\n那個委員因為這個是這個所謂的阿拉伯在台商務協會事項內政部登記他是合法的社團但是這個名稱引起了我們駐台的這個友邦他們的這個辦事處認為會有混淆是的啊那我覺得這個我們從文字上看啊\n\n24\n00:08:24,699 --> 00:08:31,914\n確實會引起誤解那你們要怎麼協助他們呢發發函就好了嗎過去發了非常多次的函可是我要告訴你的事情是\n\n25\n00:08:33,109 --> 00:09:00,590\n真的要拜託外交部要去幫忙這三個中東的國家因為我們所有在台灣的商務在中東地區都是由阿曼阿拉伯跟約旦三個商務代表處來協助我們整個在中東的國人那今天他們遭受到這樣的不公平的對待那被使用了chamber被使用了他們的國旗他們是沒有辦法接受而且多次向外交部澄清跟反映的再來我想請問一下\n\n26\n00:09:01,831 --> 00:09:08,155\n像這樣子的章我給大家看像這樣子的章請問是可以拿來做文件簽證的嗎?那有收錢呢?\n\n27\n00:09:27,386 --> 00:09:32,269\n對如果有涉及到違反他登記的宗旨文件認證2500塊開這樣的收據呢\n\n28\n00:09:36,977 --> 00:09:59,512\n我的意思是說這個章是他們這個協會自己刻的去向民眾做文件認證的收錢自己收的像這樣子的一個所謂的商會在台灣打著外交的名號傷害到了我們阿拉伯相關的使節三個國家的代表都多次的向外交部提出陳情甚至更誇張的容我再講一下\n\n29\n00:09:59,932 --> 00:10:27,190\n更誇張的是他們過程當中還反被這個民間組織去提告然後呢被我們的中山分局因為涉及各自我不能拿給大家看我只能揮一下中山分局去把我們沙烏地阿拉伯的這個大使本來是要把他呢帶去偵查差一點人家的刑事豁免權大使的豁免權就不見了部長您知道這件事嗎\n\n30\n00:10:27,870 --> 00:10:34,332\n我昨天知道然後我有要求外交部要來協助這些駐台的代表處或辦事處他們的外交豁免權那我們也呼籲就是相關的政府單位在傳喚或者是進行司法行為的時候必須要先部長您不了解因為他可能搞混了您知道嗎\n\n31\n00:10:50,057 --> 00:10:53,840\n因為這個東西他真假難辨他用了chamber他用了人家的國旗所以有可能這個內政部這邊他也搞不清楚狀況他就覺得說哎呀這個是真的大使然後來告這個假的大使然後結果呢反過來這個以假亂真了因為搞的最後呢是後來外交部發函給法務部說這個外交豁免權是我們要保護的\n\n32\n00:11:13,533 --> 00:11:14,094\n我感謝委員把這個問題很詳細的說明第一點\n\n33\n00:11:33,359 --> 00:11:58,271\n阿拉伯在台商務協會他是向內政部登記雖然合法但有沒有違反他登記的這個業務再來他如果進行商務那有收錢這些可能的這個爭議再來他跟駐台的這三個國家的代表處之間的紛爭雖然是法律的問題但是呢我們外交部站在一定要去捍衛\n\n34\n00:11:59,251 --> 00:12:00,212\n祝臺國家辦事處的外交權益\n\n35\n00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,841\n這些外交大使他們私底下受到很多的騷擾是我在現在台面上不能講的\n\n36\n00:12:38,231 --> 00:12:50,821\n所以除了我今天跟您說明的內容之外我希望外交部能夠更謹慎的去了解現在中東的這個危機比現在我所陳述出來的還要更加的嚴重而且已經是多年讓對方不堪其擾\n\n37\n00:12:53,243 --> 00:13:13,212\n不能過去我們都是以說呢因為這個東西是他設立的商會是NGO是他自己的這個協會所以我們無法可管反正他只要不要做什麼什麼什麼就好但我們今天已經提出了他有去磕人家的章去欺騙民眾去做文件的簽證而且這個協會目前有一個詐欺的官司正在進行當中\n\n38\n00:13:19,134 --> 00:13:33,250\n這三件事情都足以請外交部要求內政部去針對這個不合規定因為他使用了chamber跟人家的國籍嘛不合規定的這個部分去進行處理所以在這裡誠心的拜託部長\n\n39\n00:13:33,851 --> 00:13:34,071\n徐巧芯\n\n40\n00:13:55,164 --> 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如果有溝通的話為什麼會在新加坡的時候才知道要被遣返回來\n那是涉及到因為就像你講西班牙政府因為他們跟這個新加坡之間沒有這個引渡的條約那你們事前不知道沒有溝通因為我們從西班牙方面得到的訊息是配合就是說他們有這個關係\n實際上並沒有引渡條約所以後來我們一起配合那個interpol就是把他再遣返到遣送到第三地那你們當時在這個男子的這個轉送的過程當中你們沒有問過西班牙說是否有跟新加坡簽引渡條約沒有問這個是由內政部根據他們跟就是西班牙政府相關的單位他們沒有問也沒有諮詢外交部\n所以在後續才跟外交部確認請外交部協助的是這樣嗎\n那我想請一下我們那個今天好像沒來是不是我們次長好像人不在本來想要請田光忠次長的那但是呢今天我相信你已經看到新聞了有關於這個阿拉伯這個中東危機的部分我想要請問一下就是可以看一下下面這一張\n你先看一下右邊這個人他跟我們田次長站在一起合影但我必須說合影很正常因為這個人他在許許多多的地方都跟很多人合影但是我只是覺得說如果連我們田次長的合影都被有心人利用到外面去做詐騙的話那這個外交部也要負上很大的責任\n來我們看一下下一個請問你們知道外交部長你知道這個協會他是屬於官方單位還是民間單位嗎民間單位那他們是在做什麼服務的內政部登記的社團好那他們沙烏地阿拉伯駐台正式單位的名稱是什麼阿拉伯駐台他們代表處不是啊\n沙烏地阿拉伯駐台商務辦事處\n阿拉伯在台商務協會所以他可以使用chamber\n你們早就知道名詞是不行的你知道嗎你們今天被問到的時候講的不清不楚\n可是實際上外交部早就在112年的3月12號提出呢像這個沙烏地阿拉伯辦事處講到呢有關約旦阿曼及沙拉伯阿拉伯商業辦事處反映的這個阿拉伯在台商務協會然後呢他可能運作有誤導國人跟妨礙公益一事他附了20頁的影本告訴你說這是有問題的因為\n他們辦事處注意到這個ACCT上面有加了chamber一個詞還有阿拉伯這個詞讓民眾誤以為他是阿拉伯國家的成員而不是只是一個在地的商會跟組織跟委員會請問一下為什麼這件事情從112年我們的中東國家三個國家的這個代表處辦事處都向外交部反映但卻遲遲沒有下文跟結果\n那個委員因為這個是這個所謂的阿拉伯在台商務協會事項內政部登記他是合法的社團但是這個名稱引起了我們駐台的這個友邦他們的這個辦事處認為會有混淆是的啊那我覺得這個我們從文字上看啊\n確實會引起誤解那你們要怎麼協助他們呢發發函就好了嗎過去發了非常多次的函可是我要告訴你的事情是\n真的要拜託外交部要去幫忙這三個中東的國家因為我們所有在台灣的商務在中東地區都是由阿曼阿拉伯跟約旦三個商務代表處來協助我們整個在中東的國人那今天他們遭受到這樣的不公平的對待那被使用了chamber被使用了他們的國旗他們是沒有辦法接受而且多次向外交部澄清跟反映的再來我想請問一下\n像這樣子的章我給大家看像這樣子的章請問是可以拿來做文件簽證的嗎?那有收錢呢?\n對 如果有涉及到違反他登記的宗旨文件認證2500塊開這樣的收據呢\n我的意思是說這個章是他們這個協會自己刻的去向民眾做文件認證的收錢自己收的像這樣子的一個所謂的商會在台灣打著外交的名號傷害到了我們阿拉伯相關的使節三個國家的代表都多次的向外交部提出陳情甚至更誇張的容我再講一下\n更誇張的是他們過程當中還反被這個民間組織去提告然後呢被我們的中山分局因為涉及各自我不能拿給大家看我只能揮一下中山分局去把我們沙烏地阿拉伯的這個大使本來是要把他呢帶去偵查差一點人家的刑事豁免權大使的豁免權就不見了部長您知道這件事嗎\n我昨天知道然後我有要求外交部要來協助這些駐台的代表處或辦事處他們的外交豁免權那我們也呼籲就是相關的政府單位在傳喚或者是進行司法行為的時候必須要先部長您不了解因為他可能搞混了您知道嗎\n因為這個東西他真假難辨他用了chamber他用了人家的國旗所以有可能這個內政部這邊他也搞不清楚狀況他就覺得說哎呀這個是真的大使然後來告這個假的大使然後結果呢反過來這個以假亂真了因為搞的最後呢是後來外交部發函給法務部說這個外交豁免權是我們要保護的\n我感謝委員把這個問題很詳細的說明第一點\n阿拉伯在台商務協會他是向內政部登記雖然合法但有沒有違反他登記的這個業務再來他如果進行商務那有收錢這些可能的這個爭議再來他跟駐台的這三個國家的代表處之間的紛爭雖然是法律的問題但是呢我們外交部站在一定要去捍衛\n祝臺國家辦事處的外交權益\n這些外交大使他們私底下受到很多的騷擾是我在現在台面上不能講的\n所以除了我今天跟您說明的內容之外我希望外交部能夠更謹慎的去了解現在中東的這個危機比現在我所陳述出來的還要更加的嚴重而且已經是多年讓對方不堪其擾\n不能過去我們都是以說呢因為這個東西是他設立的商會是NGO是他自己的這個協會所以我們無法可管反正他只要不要做什麼什麼什麼就好但我們今天已經提出了他有去磕人家的章去欺騙民眾去做文件的簽證而且這個協會目前有一個詐欺的官司正在進行當中\n這三件事情都足以請外交部要求內政部去針對這個不合規定因為他使用了chamber跟人家的國籍嘛不合規定的這個部分去進行處理所以在這裡誠心的拜託部長\n徐巧芯\n徐巧芯委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.101 --> 00:14.526\n謝謝主席那我想我們先有請那個外交部林部長請林部長\n\n00:26.239 --> 00:38.531\n蔡英文前總統目前在歐洲訪問,請問就外交部的了解,蔡前總統之後從歐洲回來以後是否已經有安排了赴美的訪美行程?\n\n00:40.693 --> 00:57.206\n有關蔡前總統出訪的行程,應該由他辦公室負責,已經出訪的部分我們有協助,這次到歐洲是相當的成功,不管是在捷克\n\n00:58.507 --> 01:13.441\n在英國的部分是否按照媒體上面所說的因為我不知道是真的新聞還是假的新聞就說本來有安排到英國但英國認為說可能涉及一些敏感的原因所以就請他下次再來或者是說有一些這個延遲的情況\n\n01:15.865 --> 01:31.744\n我想跟英國的關係是非常的友好因為蔡前總統他本身是在英國讀書嘛那至於說怎麼樣的方式安排能夠呈現英國對於他的歡迎我想應該是會很慎重\n\n01:32.725 --> 01:32.845\n現在這樣的方式﹖\n\n02:03.065 --> 02:04.526\n蔡前總統到英國訪問之所以會有一些異動是因為英國方考慮到國際情勢的原因與否?\n\n02:21.345 --> 02:23.146\n我想要問的是說有一名西班牙籍的男子奧納德在國外犯下了逾10億的台幣詐騙案在台灣生活5年\n\n02:42.722 --> 02:44.323\n請問移民署在將人送往新加坡轉機的時候有沒有事先向新加坡溝通\n\n03:06.395 --> 03:10.399\n當初移民署將人送往新加坡轉機的時候移民署有沒有先跟外交部請外交部跟新加坡溝通\n\n03:30.776 --> 03:35.037\n那為什麼會如果有溝通的話為什麼會在新加坡的時候才知道要被遣返回來\n\n03:57.864 --> 04:15.120\n那是涉及到因為就像你講西班牙政府因為他們跟這個新加坡之間沒有這個引渡的條約那你們事前不知道沒有溝通因為我們從西班牙方面得到的訊息是配合就是說他們有這個關係\n\n04:19.283 --> 04:44.842\n實際上並沒有引渡條約所以後來我們一起配合那個interpol就是把他再遣返到遣送到第三地那你們當時在這個男子的這個轉送的過程當中你們沒有問過西班牙說是否有跟新加坡簽引渡條約沒有問這個是由內政部根據他們跟就是西班牙政府相關的單位他們沒有問也沒有諮詢外交部\n\n04:45.658 --> 04:46.398\n所以在後續才跟外交部確認請外交部協助的是這樣嗎\n\n05:00.830 --> 05:06.872\n那我想請一下我們那個今天好像沒來是不是我們次長好像人不在本來想要請田光忠次長的那但是呢今天我相信你已經看到新聞了有關於這個阿拉伯這個中東危機的部分我想要請問一下就是可以看一下下面這一張\n\n05:26.659 --> 05:46.682\n你先看一下右邊這個人他跟我們田次長站在一起合影但我必須說合影很正常因為這個人他在許許多多的地方都跟很多人合影但是我只是覺得說如果連我們田次長的合影都被有心人利用到外面去做詐騙的話那這個外交部也要負上很大的責任\n\n05:47.282 --> 06:08.055\n來我們看一下下一個請問你們知道外交部長你知道這個協會他是屬於官方單位還是民間單位嗎民間單位那他們是在做什麼服務的內政部登記的社團好那他們沙烏地阿拉伯駐台正式單位的名稱是什麼阿拉伯駐台他們代表處不是啊\n\n06:14.352 --> 06:14.652\n沙烏地阿拉伯駐台商務辦事處\n\n06:35.246 --> 06:37.249\n阿拉伯在台商務協會所以他可以使用chamber\n\n06:48.370 --> 06:50.491\n你們早就知道名詞是不行的你知道嗎你們今天被問到的時候講的不清不楚\n\n07:09.659 --> 07:34.450\n可是實際上外交部早就在112年的3月12號提出呢像這個沙烏地阿拉伯辦事處講到呢有關約旦阿曼及沙拉伯阿拉伯商業辦事處反映的這個阿拉伯在台商務協會然後呢他可能運作有誤導國人跟妨礙公益一事他附了20頁的影本告訴你說這是有問題的因為\n\n07:35.751 --> 07:59.923\n他們辦事處注意到這個ACCT上面有加了chamber一個詞還有阿拉伯這個詞讓民眾誤以為他是阿拉伯國家的成員而不是只是一個在地的商會跟組織跟委員會請問一下為什麼這件事情從112年我們的中東國家三個國家的這個代表處辦事處都向外交部反映但卻遲遲沒有下文跟結果\n\n08:01.107 --> 08:23.259\n那個委員因為這個是這個所謂的阿拉伯在台商務協會事項內政部登記他是合法的社團但是這個名稱引起了我們駐台的這個友邦他們的這個辦事處認為會有混淆是的啊那我覺得這個我們從文字上看啊\n\n08:24.699 --> 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給法務部，說這個外交豁免權是我們要保護的，這個真相才被揭開。可是整個過程中，您知道給這些大使帶來了多大的壓力，以及給臺灣、大中華民國帶來多大的中東外交危機嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：感謝委員把這個問題很詳細的說明，第一點，阿拉伯在臺商務協會它是向內政部登記，雖然合法，但有沒有違反它登記的業務？再來，它如果進行商務、有收錢，這些是可能的爭議。再來，它跟駐臺的這三個國家的代表處之間的紛爭，雖然是法律的問題，但是我們外交部一定要捍衛駐臺這些國家辦事處的外交權益。對於這一點，我很感謝委員，我也會請外交部同仁不能夠只看片段、要看整體，因為有一點是說怎麼變成這個協會在告辦事處。"],["徐委員巧芯：是啊！謝謝部長，這個螺絲一定要鎖緊，因為……"],["林部長佳龍：我們利用這個機會把它查明，看有沒有什麼不合法令規定之處。"],["徐委員巧芯：對，要查明。我今天講的都是我公開內容上可以講的，但這一些大使他們私底下受到很多的騷擾是我在現在檯面上不能講的，所以除了我今天跟您說明的內容之外，我希望外交部能夠更謹慎的去了解現在中東的危機，比現在我所陳述出來的還要更加的嚴重，而且已經是多年讓對方不堪其擾。過去我們都說因為這個東西是它設立的商會、是NGO它自己的協會，所以我們無法可管，反正它只要不要做什麼什麼就好，但我們今天已經提出它去刻人家的章、去欺騙民眾、去做文件的簽證，而且這個協會目前有一個詐欺的官司正在進行當中。這三件事情都足以請外交部要求內政部針對不合規定的部分去進行處理，因為它使用了Chamber跟人家的國旗。所以在這裡誠心的拜託部長，過去沒有好好處理這件事，那是過去的部長的問題，但我相信林佳龍部長你一定能夠妥善處理此事，把它辦到讓這三位大使能夠真正安心、放心維護我國在中東地方的權益，不管是民眾的權益也好，或是對於中華民國的態度也好，可以嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：我們會妥善處理，也會跟內政部討論它向內政部的登記，有一些涉及到對我們外交上面的影響，我們會來妥善處理。"],["徐委員巧芯：好，謝謝，如果有任何進度的話，再拜託部長跟我們做說明，謝謝。"],["林部長佳龍：好，謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝徐巧芯委員，部長請回。","接下來請王定宇召委上臺質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":150,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-35-6","speakers":["林憶君","羅美玲","陳永康","徐巧芯","王定宇","沈伯洋","馬文君","黃仁","洪申翰","林楚茵","陳冠廷","林德福","牛煦庭","王鴻薇","賴士葆","洪孟楷","陳培瑜","黃國昌","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","羅智強"],"page_start":81,"meetingDate":["2024-10-21"],"gazette_id":"1138601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138601_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第6次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1138601_00003"}}}