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00:01:11,436\n的總部那麼可以說是第一位我們的現任委員首到這邊去訪問我想外交的同仁肯定做出了非常多的努力那麼本席今天就這個外交委員會的這個詢答也真的要給我們在第一線外交打拚的外交同仁給予最高的肯定跟鼓勵大家真的這一路上辛苦了因為面對的打壓本席在8月9月的時候特別到了歐洲幾個國家去訪問\n\n5\n00:01:25,086 --> 00:01:25,126\n主席\n\n6\n00:01:47,265 --> 00:01:47,445\n小英總統\n\n7\n00:02:02,466 --> 00:02:28,042\n代表現任委員首代表台灣代表我們現在的賴清德總統來出訪已經有媒體放這種風聲結果居然還被本席發現是就在小英前總統出訪前我們居然捷克發出了這個灰色警訊那這就覺得好奇怪了怎麼會在這個時候在10月11號的時候有這樣的一個動作部長你知道嗎所以\n\n8\n00:02:29,743 --> 00:02:36,928\n這個捷克變得不安全嗎那如果不安全的話是因為中國打壓還是之前我們的蕭美琴副總統在就任前到訪也發生過事件啊如果是這樣的時候這個警示燈到底是怎麼樣出現的黃色橙色灰色那這個又代表什麼樣的意思呢部長\n\n9\n00:02:51,300 --> 00:03:10,855\n是啦這個容易引起誤會啦什麼灰色警示明明就有改善啊所以我看到也覺得有點突兀委員也有跟我反應啦所以我請同仁去做一些檢討啦你有灰色這個是不是比較傾向於比較相對安全嘛然後又警示\n\n10\n00:03:11,696 --> 00:03:13,417\n警戒的國家才分成四個等級紅橙黃灰那也可以沒有不需要警戒的國家\n\n11\n00:03:39,753 --> 00:03:42,635\n所以這個警示燈灰色的意思到底是警示是安全還是不安全那麼這樣的區隔到底是怎麼來比如說灰色\n\n12\n00:04:00,609 --> 00:04:17,427\n警示表示提醒注意注意什麼有很多要注意的可能是比如說像東南亞國家有的時候會有一些流行性的疾病正在出現有沒有可能做一些改善比如說像橙色很明顯的他就告訴你說非必要\n\n13\n00:04:18,388 --> 00:04:47,580\n就不要去旅行了避免非必要的旅行橙色就是要注意旅行安全但灰色是提醒注意提醒注意什麼可不可以更明確否則大家也會覺得說那你有什麼好像沒什麼我也搞不懂比如說如果我現在要去捷克我是國人我到底要注意什麼那像這個部分的擬定有沒有可能更細緻尤其是我們都知道灰色就是曖昧不明可是你的提示又這麼的曖昧不明我真的有看沒有懂\n\n14\n00:04:48,646 --> 00:05:04,097\n各國大致上都是分成三到四等那我們分四等灰色是最輕微的大致上都是要注意一下治安這些最輕微的部長在這裡啦部長我們就是在灰色的部分我們就寫得清楚一點\n\n15\n00:05:04,978 --> 00:05:28,926\n那讓國人不要恐慌尤其是像面對這樣的狀況的時候如果今天部長沒有講清楚的話大家都會覺得說欸阿是不是要給我們的這個小英前總統要出訪之前出了一道難題嗎是不是讓這些惡意來做文章的媒體更有機會來借題發揮好嗎這個灰色是不是更能更明確但是我們都知道紅色\n\n16\n00:05:30,726 --> 00:05:38,498\n部長紅色是不是就希望國人盡量不要去對啊紅燈就是悟行啊紅燈悟行嘛最好是不要去啊好但是呢包括現在我看到的幾個紅燈就是烏克蘭北韓伊拉克\n\n17\n00:05:46,589 --> 00:06:06,996\n中非共和國以及南美洲的委內瑞拉這幾個國家有的可能是正在戰火那有些可能是疫情的關係或其他的狀況所以如果舊部長認為是不應該去但是部長你知道嗎我最近分別收到了幾個案例其中呢他就是因為國人\n\n18\n00:06:09,502 --> 00:06:30,012\n因為有一些身份的問題或者是經濟的問題我們領事局這裡居然是要求國人要到這些紅色警示區的國家請他們去拿一些證明可能是他本人可能是他的配偶那麼在本席接受到這個陳情之後去了解\n\n19\n00:06:31,428 --> 00:06:31,808\n我請來林副主有沒有\n\n20\n00:07:00,353 --> 00:07:19,059\n我簡單跟委員報告就是我們所有這些警戒分級是外管在限地包括根據限地的情況跟根據各國公布的狀況報回來的一些建議之後再經過地域是評估之後才會去做公布\n\n21\n00:07:19,879 --> 00:07:46,431\n那如果是被列為紅色的話基本上我們就不鼓勵國人去因為這個可能會有發生危險的這個之魚啦所以他是這樣子的那當然剛剛講的紅塵黃灰依照輕重程度不同的話基本上灰色只是善盡提醒那這個東西已經行之多年每三個月會做例行性的請外管報會所以它不是突然發生這樣的情況\n\n22\n00:07:47,059 --> 00:08:15,514\n好我本期要問的題目很簡單就是說第一個前面剛剛我們已經調溝通過就是灰色要更明確但是紅色警戒區的部分包括理事局這裡或是部長這裡都認為紅色就是紅燈霧行但是現在如果是紅色警戒區國人因為比如說經濟的貿易往來又或者是像內政部營利署相關的身份的認證\n\n23\n00:08:16,815 --> 00:08:42,761\n那必須要到這些國家去才能夠拿到相關的文件跟資料的時候就外交部的立場或者是領事局的立場可不可以去那如果去了有生命的危險的時候有沒有可能做一些話部會的溝通來簡化這些文件的認證的過程避免國人身陷險境這是本席其實要問的第二個問題部長\n\n24\n00:08:46,038 --> 00:09:12,494\n就是說如果已經是紅色的這個警示當然安全是第一啦那用什麼方式可以來做如果設置到有一些要辦理的事情是不是我們林副局來研究一下就是比如說鄰近國家啦或者是用什麼樣的其他的網路的方式或是有什麼樣的證明可以來減少這個風險\n\n25\n00:09:15,055 --> 00:09:33,113\n因為本席追蹤這個問題就是因為陳情人他們就在委內瑞拉或者是像烏克蘭這種充滿了高度危險性的那麼當時外交部或者相關單位給的答案就是說那你可以在台灣有辦事處或者是有相關的這個\n\n26\n00:09:34,995 --> 00:10:02,187\n可以處理公文件認證的單位但是我們知道在台灣並不是所有的這些沒有邦交的國家的友邦都在台灣住有相關的辦事處所以在這個部分本席希望有剛剛部長的承諾可以再跟其他的相關的部會做一些橫向的聯繫不要讓國人非得到這些紅色警戒區去走一趟不然這個紅色警戒根本就是開玩笑當遇到真正要處理的事情的時候\n\n27\n00:10:03,307 --> 00:10:28,971\n連站在我們的中央部會都沒有辦法給予協助那這個聽起來就會覺得很奇怪好嗎部長好另外一個本席其實要請這個部長來看一下這兩張圖是本席找到的一個是波蘭的便利商店的巨頭另外一個是索菲亞電動運輸公司的電動巴士我不知道部長看了這兩個圖有沒有什麼感受\n\n28\n00:10:34,219 --> 00:10:35,820\n公眾會有在現場嗎公眾會的執行長來公眾會\n\n29\n00:10:54,615 --> 00:11:13,880\n時間有限我就來講一下其實這個是本席在國和會的投融資計畫就是歐盈氣候高影響力的基金當中我們看到的一個比如說就是波蘭零售永續融資子計畫當中我們投融資的言下之意這是什麼\n\n30\n00:11:14,460 --> 00:11:14,841\n台灣可以幫助\n\n31\n00:11:25,833 --> 00:11:53,922\n對,但是就會發現說你看本席這個照片一拿出來只有在國和會看到其實是台灣CanHelp的一個實力我要強調的是喔我們做了很多但是有時候我們的對內宣傳或者是對外對內的論述不夠我知道現在很多在野黨的委員一直在批評說我們是拿這個政府的預算在做所謂大內宣大外宣\n\n32\n00:11:54,702 --> 00:11:55,263\n來部長要不要回應一下\n\n33\n00:12:21,700 --> 00:12:40,401\n確實啦我主持國和會因為我是董事長我就覺得說我們要會做也要會說嘛因為你會帶來更多的支持會更容易去發揮效果所以委員的這個提醒我們會加強就是說其實我們的員外很多計畫真的都獲得各國的好評甚至現在有一些\n\n34\n00:12:41,983 --> 00:12:42,143\n李卓人議員\n\n35\n00:13:02,965 --> 00:13:24,367\n產業的這個強項還有解決方案我們都輸出所以像電動巴士啊這個就是非常好的就是大家都想發展那台灣已經很成熟另外像這個對於他們的這個微創或輕創這些事情我們會加強那就是因為這個其實是公共外交很重要的一部分\n\n36\n00:13:25,189 --> 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所以我請同仁去做一些檢討啦你有灰色 這個是不是比較傾向於比較相對安全嘛 然後又警示\n191696\t193417\t警戒的國家才分成四個等級紅橙黃灰那也可以沒有不需要警戒的國家\n219753\t222635\t所以這個警示燈灰色的意思到底是警示是安全還是不安全那麼這樣的區隔到底是怎麼來比如說灰色\n240609\t257427\t警示表示提醒注意注意什麼有很多要注意的可能是比如說像東南亞國家有的時候會有一些流行性的疾病正在出現有沒有可能做一些改善比如說像橙色很明顯的他就告訴你說非必要\n258388\t287580\t就不要去旅行了避免非必要的旅行橙色就是要注意旅行安全但灰色是提醒注意提醒注意什麼可不可以更明確否則大家也會覺得說那你有什麼好像沒什麼我也搞不懂比如說如果我現在要去捷克我是國人我到底要注意什麼那像這個部分的擬定有沒有可能更細緻尤其是我們都知道灰色就是曖昧不明可是你的提示又這麼的曖昧不明我真的有看沒有懂\n288646\t304097\t各國大致上都是分成三到四等那我們分四等灰色是最輕微的大致上都是要注意一下治安這些最輕微的部長在這裡啦部長我們就是在灰色的部分我們就寫得清楚一點\n304978\t328926\t那讓國人不要恐慌尤其是像面對這樣的狀況的時候如果今天部長沒有講清楚的話大家都會覺得說欸阿是不是要給我們的這個小英前總統要出訪之前出了一道難題嗎是不是讓這些惡意來做文章的媒體更有機會來借題發揮好嗎這個灰色是不是更能更明確但是我們都知道紅色\n330726\t338498\t部長紅色是不是就希望國人盡量不要去對啊紅燈就是悟行啊紅燈悟行嘛最好是不要去啊好但是呢包括現在我看到的幾個紅燈就是烏克蘭北韓伊拉克\n346589\t366996\t中非共和國以及南美洲的委內瑞拉這幾個國家有的可能是正在戰火那有些可能是疫情的關係或其他的狀況所以如果舊部長認為是不應該去但是部長你知道嗎我最近分別收到了幾個案例其中呢他就是因為國人\n369502\t390012\t因為有一些身份的問題或者是經濟的問題我們領事局這裡居然是要求國人要到這些紅色警示區的國家請他們去拿一些證明可能是他本人可能是他的配偶那麼在本席接受到這個陳情之後去了解\n391428\t391808\t我請來林副主有沒有\n420353\t439059\t我簡單跟委員報告就是我們所有這些警戒分級是外管在限地包括根據限地的情況跟根據各國公布的狀況報回來的一些建議之後再經過地域是評估之後才會去做公布\n439879\t466431\t那如果是被列為紅色的話基本上我們就不鼓勵國人去因為這個可能會有發生危險的這個之魚啦所以他是這樣子的那當然剛剛講的紅塵黃灰依照輕重程度不同的話基本上灰色只是善盡提醒那這個東西已經行之多年每三個月會做例行性的請外管報會所以它不是突然發生這樣的情況\n467059\t495514\t好我本期要問的題目很簡單就是說第一個前面剛剛我們已經調溝通過就是灰色要更明確但是紅色警戒區的部分包括理事局這裡或是部長這裡都認為紅色就是紅燈霧行但是現在如果是紅色警戒區國人因為比如說經濟的貿易往來又或者是像內政部營利署相關的身份的認證\n496815\t522761\t那必須要到這些國家去才能夠拿到相關的文件跟資料的時候就外交部的立場或者是領事局的立場可不可以去那如果去了有生命的危險的時候有沒有可能做一些話部會的溝通來簡化這些文件的認證的過程避免國人身陷險境這是本席其實要問的第二個問題部長\n526038\t552494\t就是說如果已經是紅色的這個警示當然安全是第一啦那用什麼方式可以來做如果設置到有一些要辦理的事情是不是我們林副局來研究一下就是比如說鄰近國家啦或者是用什麼樣的其他的網路的方式或是有什麼樣的證明可以來減少這個風險\n555055\t573113\t因為本席追蹤這個問題就是因為陳情人他們就在委內瑞拉或者是像烏克蘭這種充滿了高度危險性的那麼當時外交部或者相關單位給的答案就是說那你可以在台灣有辦事處或者是有相關的這個\n574995\t602187\t可以處理公文件認證的單位但是我們知道在台灣並不是所有的這些沒有邦交的國家的友邦都在台灣住有相關的辦事處所以在這個部分本席希望有剛剛部長的承諾可以再跟其他的相關的部會做一些橫向的聯繫不要讓國人非得到這些紅色警戒區去走一趟不然這個紅色警戒根本就是開玩笑當遇到真正要處理的事情的時候\n603307\t628971\t連站在我們的中央部會都沒有辦法給予協助那這個聽起來就會覺得很奇怪好嗎部長好另外一個本席其實要請這個部長來看一下這兩張圖是本席找到的一個是波蘭的便利商店的巨頭另外一個是索菲亞電動運輸公司的電動巴士我不知道部長看了這兩個圖有沒有什麼感受\n634219\t635820\t公眾會有在現場嗎 公眾會的執行長來 公眾會\n654615\t673880\t時間有限我就來講一下其實這個是本席在國和會的投融資計畫就是歐盈氣候高影響力的基金當中我們看到的一個比如說就是波蘭零售永續融資子計畫當中我們投融資的言下之意這是什麼\n674460\t674841\t台灣可以幫助\n685833\t713922\t對,但是就會發現說你看本席這個照片一拿出來只有在國和會看到其實是台灣Can Help的一個實力我要強調的是喔我們做了很多但是有時候我們的對內宣傳或者是對外對內的論述不夠我知道現在很多在野黨的委員一直在批評說我們是拿這個政府的預算在做所謂大內宣大外宣\n714702\t715263\t來 部長 要不要回應一下\n741700\t760401\t確實啦我主持國和會因為我是董事長我就覺得說我們要會做也要會說嘛因為你會帶來更多的支持會更容易去發揮效果所以委員的這個提醒我們會加強就是說其實我們的員外很多計畫真的都獲得各國的好評甚至現在有一些\n761983\t762143\t李卓人議員\n782965\t804367\t產業的這個強項還有解決方案我們都輸出所以像電動巴士啊這個就是非常好的就是大家都想發展那台灣已經很成熟另外像這個對於他們的這個微創或輕創這些事情我們會加強那就是因為這個其實是公共外交很重要的一部分\n805189\t833142\t對 外交要除了只是用力的做之外我們也要對外來宣揚跟宣傳台灣可以help其實持續有在做但是不要只有國和會看得到其他地方看不到因為這樣子包括大家民眾在這些駐在國的時候包括我們的台商才有更多的素材跟更大的力道協助我們一起從一軌二軌到民眾大家一起來做外交好 謝謝\n833982\t834343\t謝謝林楚茵\n","txt":"謝謝主席 主席有請林部長請林部長\n部長好委員長辛苦了這個已經都快要到中午了剛剛特別看到您的這個報告可以說這個外交同仁在外交上面的努力的成果其實在中國跟我們的國際困境上面大家真的非常努力包括報告提到從今年5月就您上任之後到現在才幾個月的時間已經有超過2300位的友邦高層或是理念相近的政要來訪台\n那麼我們也知道我們的前總統蔡英文其實在昨天凌晨也剛結束了這個歐洲行那麼他除了參加捷克的公園2000論壇然後呢還到法國啦比利時甚至於是第一位台灣的卸任元首到了歐洲議會\n的總部那麼可以說是第一位我們的現任委員首到這邊去訪問我想外交的同仁肯定做出了非常多的努力那麼本席今天就這個外交委員會的這個詢答也真的要給我們在第一線外交打拚的外交同仁給予最高的肯定跟鼓勵大家真的這一路上辛苦了因為面對的打壓本席在8月9月的時候特別到了歐洲幾個國家去訪問\n主席\n小英總統\n代表現任委員首代表台灣代表我們現在的賴清德總統來出訪已經有媒體放這種風聲結果居然還被本席發現是就在小英前總統出訪前我們居然捷克發出了這個灰色警訊那這就覺得好奇怪了怎麼會在這個時候在10月11號的時候有這樣的一個動作部長你知道嗎所以\n這個捷克變得不安全嗎那如果不安全的話是因為中國打壓還是之前我們的蕭美琴副總統在就任前到訪也發生過事件啊如果是這樣的時候這個警示燈到底是怎麼樣出現的黃色橙色灰色那這個又代表什麼樣的意思呢部長\n是啦 這個容易引起誤會啦 什麼灰色警示明明就有改善啊 所以我看到也覺得有點突兀委員也有跟我反應啦 所以我請同仁去做一些檢討啦你有灰色 這個是不是比較傾向於比較相對安全嘛 然後又警示\n警戒的國家才分成四個等級紅橙黃灰那也可以沒有不需要警戒的國家\n所以這個警示燈灰色的意思到底是警示是安全還是不安全那麼這樣的區隔到底是怎麼來比如說灰色\n警示表示提醒注意注意什麼有很多要注意的可能是比如說像東南亞國家有的時候會有一些流行性的疾病正在出現有沒有可能做一些改善比如說像橙色很明顯的他就告訴你說非必要\n就不要去旅行了避免非必要的旅行橙色就是要注意旅行安全但灰色是提醒注意提醒注意什麼可不可以更明確否則大家也會覺得說那你有什麼好像沒什麼我也搞不懂比如說如果我現在要去捷克我是國人我到底要注意什麼那像這個部分的擬定有沒有可能更細緻尤其是我們都知道灰色就是曖昧不明可是你的提示又這麼的曖昧不明我真的有看沒有懂\n各國大致上都是分成三到四等那我們分四等灰色是最輕微的大致上都是要注意一下治安這些最輕微的部長在這裡啦部長我們就是在灰色的部分我們就寫得清楚一點\n那讓國人不要恐慌尤其是像面對這樣的狀況的時候如果今天部長沒有講清楚的話大家都會覺得說欸阿是不是要給我們的這個小英前總統要出訪之前出了一道難題嗎是不是讓這些惡意來做文章的媒體更有機會來借題發揮好嗎這個灰色是不是更能更明確但是我們都知道紅色\n部長紅色是不是就希望國人盡量不要去對啊紅燈就是悟行啊紅燈悟行嘛最好是不要去啊好但是呢包括現在我看到的幾個紅燈就是烏克蘭北韓伊拉克\n中非共和國以及南美洲的委內瑞拉這幾個國家有的可能是正在戰火那有些可能是疫情的關係或其他的狀況所以如果舊部長認為是不應該去但是部長你知道嗎我最近分別收到了幾個案例其中呢他就是因為國人\n因為有一些身份的問題或者是經濟的問題我們領事局這裡居然是要求國人要到這些紅色警示區的國家請他們去拿一些證明可能是他本人可能是他的配偶那麼在本席接受到這個陳情之後去了解\n我請來林副主有沒有\n我簡單跟委員報告就是我們所有這些警戒分級是外管在限地包括根據限地的情況跟根據各國公布的狀況報回來的一些建議之後再經過地域是評估之後才會去做公布\n那如果是被列為紅色的話基本上我們就不鼓勵國人去因為這個可能會有發生危險的這個之魚啦所以他是這樣子的那當然剛剛講的紅塵黃灰依照輕重程度不同的話基本上灰色只是善盡提醒那這個東西已經行之多年每三個月會做例行性的請外管報會所以它不是突然發生這樣的情況\n好我本期要問的題目很簡單就是說第一個前面剛剛我們已經調溝通過就是灰色要更明確但是紅色警戒區的部分包括理事局這裡或是部長這裡都認為紅色就是紅燈霧行但是現在如果是紅色警戒區國人因為比如說經濟的貿易往來又或者是像內政部營利署相關的身份的認證\n那必須要到這些國家去才能夠拿到相關的文件跟資料的時候就外交部的立場或者是領事局的立場可不可以去那如果去了有生命的危險的時候有沒有可能做一些話部會的溝通來簡化這些文件的認證的過程避免國人身陷險境這是本席其實要問的第二個問題部長\n就是說如果已經是紅色的這個警示當然安全是第一啦那用什麼方式可以來做如果設置到有一些要辦理的事情是不是我們林副局來研究一下就是比如說鄰近國家啦或者是用什麼樣的其他的網路的方式或是有什麼樣的證明可以來減少這個風險\n因為本席追蹤這個問題就是因為陳情人他們就在委內瑞拉或者是像烏克蘭這種充滿了高度危險性的那麼當時外交部或者相關單位給的答案就是說那你可以在台灣有辦事處或者是有相關的這個\n可以處理公文件認證的單位但是我們知道在台灣並不是所有的這些沒有邦交的國家的友邦都在台灣住有相關的辦事處所以在這個部分本席希望有剛剛部長的承諾可以再跟其他的相關的部會做一些橫向的聯繫不要讓國人非得到這些紅色警戒區去走一趟不然這個紅色警戒根本就是開玩笑當遇到真正要處理的事情的時候\n連站在我們的中央部會都沒有辦法給予協助那這個聽起來就會覺得很奇怪好嗎部長好另外一個本席其實要請這個部長來看一下這兩張圖是本席找到的一個是波蘭的便利商店的巨頭另外一個是索菲亞電動運輸公司的電動巴士我不知道部長看了這兩個圖有沒有什麼感受\n公眾會有在現場嗎 公眾會的執行長來 公眾會\n時間有限我就來講一下其實這個是本席在國和會的投融資計畫就是歐盈氣候高影響力的基金當中我們看到的一個比如說就是波蘭零售永續融資子計畫當中我們投融資的言下之意這是什麼\n台灣可以幫助\n對,但是就會發現說你看本席這個照片一拿出來只有在國和會看到其實是台灣Can Help的一個實力我要強調的是喔我們做了很多但是有時候我們的對內宣傳或者是對外對內的論述不夠我知道現在很多在野黨的委員一直在批評說我們是拿這個政府的預算在做所謂大內宣大外宣\n來 部長 要不要回應一下\n確實啦我主持國和會因為我是董事長我就覺得說我們要會做也要會說嘛因為你會帶來更多的支持會更容易去發揮效果所以委員的這個提醒我們會加強就是說其實我們的員外很多計畫真的都獲得各國的好評甚至現在有一些\n李卓人議員\n產業的這個強項還有解決方案我們都輸出所以像電動巴士啊這個就是非常好的就是大家都想發展那台灣已經很成熟另外像這個對於他們的這個微創或輕創這些事情我們會加強那就是因為這個其實是公共外交很重要的一部分\n對 外交要除了只是用力的做之外我們也要對外來宣揚跟宣傳台灣可以help其實持續有在做但是不要只有國和會看得到其他地方看不到因為這樣子包括大家民眾在這些駐在國的時候包括我們的台商才有更多的素材跟更大的力道協助我們一起從一軌二軌到民眾大家一起來做外交好 謝謝\n謝謝林楚茵\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.311 --> 00:01.699\n謝謝主席主席有請林部長請林部長\n\n00:11.141 --> 00:38.597\n部長好委員長辛苦了這個已經都快要到中午了剛剛特別看到您的這個報告可以說這個外交同仁在外交上面的努力的成果其實在中國跟我們的國際困境上面大家真的非常努力包括報告提到從今年5月就您上任之後到現在才幾個月的時間已經有超過2300位的友邦高層或是理念相近的政要來訪台\n\n00:39.818 --> 00:42.959\n那麼我們也知道我們的前總統蔡英文其實在昨天凌晨也剛結束了這個歐洲行那麼他除了參加捷克的公園2000論壇然後呢還到法國啦比利時甚至於是第一位台灣的卸任元首到了歐洲議會\n\n00:58.466 --> 01:11.436\n的總部那麼可以說是第一位我們的現任委員首到這邊去訪問我想外交的同仁肯定做出了非常多的努力那麼本席今天就這個外交委員會的這個詢答也真的要給我們在第一線外交打拚的外交同仁給予最高的肯定跟鼓勵大家真的這一路上辛苦了因為面對的打壓本席在8月9月的時候特別到了歐洲幾個國家去訪問\n\n01:25.086 --> 01:25.126\n主席\n\n01:47.265 --> 01:47.445\n小英總統\n\n02:02.466 --> 02:28.042\n代表現任委員首代表台灣代表我們現在的賴清德總統來出訪已經有媒體放這種風聲結果居然還被本席發現是就在小英前總統出訪前我們居然捷克發出了這個灰色警訊那這就覺得好奇怪了怎麼會在這個時候在10月11號的時候有這樣的一個動作部長你知道嗎所以\n\n02:29.743 --> 02:36.928\n這個捷克變得不安全嗎那如果不安全的話是因為中國打壓還是之前我們的蕭美琴副總統在就任前到訪也發生過事件啊如果是這樣的時候這個警示燈到底是怎麼樣出現的黃色橙色灰色那這個又代表什麼樣的意思呢部長\n\n02:51.300 --> 03:10.855\n是啦這個容易引起誤會啦什麼灰色警示明明就有改善啊所以我看到也覺得有點突兀委員也有跟我反應啦所以我請同仁去做一些檢討啦你有灰色這個是不是比較傾向於比較相對安全嘛然後又警示\n\n03:11.696 --> 03:13.417\n警戒的國家才分成四個等級紅橙黃灰那也可以沒有不需要警戒的國家\n\n03:39.753 --> 03:42.635\n所以這個警示燈灰色的意思到底是警示是安全還是不安全那麼這樣的區隔到底是怎麼來比如說灰色\n\n04:00.609 --> 04:17.427\n警示表示提醒注意注意什麼有很多要注意的可能是比如說像東南亞國家有的時候會有一些流行性的疾病正在出現有沒有可能做一些改善比如說像橙色很明顯的他就告訴你說非必要\n\n04:18.388 --> 04:47.580\n就不要去旅行了避免非必要的旅行橙色就是要注意旅行安全但灰色是提醒注意提醒注意什麼可不可以更明確否則大家也會覺得說那你有什麼好像沒什麼我也搞不懂比如說如果我現在要去捷克我是國人我到底要注意什麼那像這個部分的擬定有沒有可能更細緻尤其是我們都知道灰色就是曖昧不明可是你的提示又這麼的曖昧不明我真的有看沒有懂\n\n04:48.646 --> 05:04.097\n各國大致上都是分成三到四等那我們分四等灰色是最輕微的大致上都是要注意一下治安這些最輕微的部長在這裡啦部長我們就是在灰色的部分我們就寫得清楚一點\n\n05:04.978 --> 05:28.926\n那讓國人不要恐慌尤其是像面對這樣的狀況的時候如果今天部長沒有講清楚的話大家都會覺得說欸阿是不是要給我們的這個小英前總統要出訪之前出了一道難題嗎是不是讓這些惡意來做文章的媒體更有機會來借題發揮好嗎這個灰色是不是更能更明確但是我們都知道紅色\n\n05:30.726 --> 05:38.498\n部長紅色是不是就希望國人盡量不要去對啊紅燈就是悟行啊紅燈悟行嘛最好是不要去啊好但是呢包括現在我看到的幾個紅燈就是烏克蘭北韓伊拉克\n\n05:46.589 --> 06:06.996\n中非共和國以及南美洲的委內瑞拉這幾個國家有的可能是正在戰火那有些可能是疫情的關係或其他的狀況所以如果舊部長認為是不應該去但是部長你知道嗎我最近分別收到了幾個案例其中呢他就是因為國人\n\n06:09.502 --> 06:30.012\n因為有一些身份的問題或者是經濟的問題我們領事局這裡居然是要求國人要到這些紅色警示區的國家請他們去拿一些證明可能是他本人可能是他的配偶那麼在本席接受到這個陳情之後去了解\n\n06:31.428 --> 06:31.808\n我請來林副主有沒有\n\n07:00.353 --> 07:19.059\n我簡單跟委員報告就是我們所有這些警戒分級是外管在限地包括根據限地的情況跟根據各國公布的狀況報回來的一些建議之後再經過地域是評估之後才會去做公布\n\n07:19.879 --> 07:46.431\n那如果是被列為紅色的話基本上我們就不鼓勵國人去因為這個可能會有發生危險的這個之魚啦所以他是這樣子的那當然剛剛講的紅塵黃灰依照輕重程度不同的話基本上灰色只是善盡提醒那這個東西已經行之多年每三個月會做例行性的請外管報會所以它不是突然發生這樣的情況\n\n07:47.059 --> 08:15.514\n好我本期要問的題目很簡單就是說第一個前面剛剛我們已經調溝通過就是灰色要更明確但是紅色警戒區的部分包括理事局這裡或是部長這裡都認為紅色就是紅燈霧行但是現在如果是紅色警戒區國人因為比如說經濟的貿易往來又或者是像內政部營利署相關的身份的認證\n\n08:16.815 --> 08:42.761\n那必須要到這些國家去才能夠拿到相關的文件跟資料的時候就外交部的立場或者是領事局的立場可不可以去那如果去了有生命的危險的時候有沒有可能做一些話部會的溝通來簡化這些文件的認證的過程避免國人身陷險境這是本席其實要問的第二個問題部長\n\n08:46.038 --> 09:12.494\n就是說如果已經是紅色的這個警示當然安全是第一啦那用什麼方式可以來做如果設置到有一些要辦理的事情是不是我們林副局來研究一下就是比如說鄰近國家啦或者是用什麼樣的其他的網路的方式或是有什麼樣的證明可以來減少這個風險\n\n09:15.055 --> 09:33.113\n因為本席追蹤這個問題就是因為陳情人他們就在委內瑞拉或者是像烏克蘭這種充滿了高度危險性的那麼當時外交部或者相關單位給的答案就是說那你可以在台灣有辦事處或者是有相關的這個\n\n09:34.995 --> 10:02.187\n可以處理公文件認證的單位但是我們知道在台灣並不是所有的這些沒有邦交的國家的友邦都在台灣住有相關的辦事處所以在這個部分本席希望有剛剛部長的承諾可以再跟其他的相關的部會做一些橫向的聯繫不要讓國人非得到這些紅色警戒區去走一趟不然這個紅色警戒根本就是開玩笑當遇到真正要處理的事情的時候\n\n10:03.307 --> 10:28.971\n連站在我們的中央部會都沒有辦法給予協助那這個聽起來就會覺得很奇怪好嗎部長好另外一個本席其實要請這個部長來看一下這兩張圖是本席找到的一個是波蘭的便利商店的巨頭另外一個是索菲亞電動運輸公司的電動巴士我不知道部長看了這兩個圖有沒有什麼感受\n\n10:34.219 --> 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