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00:01:21,068\n審查本院委員徐巧芯等20人修正草案案。三、審查本院委員徐巧芯等20人修正草案案。\n\n5\n00:01:38,740 --> 00:01:39,762\n審查行政院徐巧芯等\n\n6\n00:01:53,061 --> 00:02:07,077\n但是呢在你們這次的修法裡面呢我看到了有一個比較嚴重的問題就是你們在第三章調查程序的第二節裡面你們卻定定了很多都是跟形式\n\n7\n00:02:08,218 --> 00:02:22,384\n程序、刑事偵查有關的……刑事調查有關的相關規定。那就法體力上來說,似乎這個刑事調查的程序其實是不適合定在行政法規裡面的。\n\n8\n00:02:24,085 --> 00:02:26,607\n徐巧芯等20人擬具《陸海空軍懲罰法》案。五、審查本院委員徐巧芯等20人擬具《陸海空軍懲罰法》案。\n\n9\n00:02:45,507 --> 00:03:02,607\n是謝謝委員我跟委員報告我們過去在實踐上面102年之前軍法還在早期的時候陸海空軍懲罰法從最早民國19年當時那個立法體力當時就是如果一個官兵的犯忌的行為他是很嚴重的話就是送軍法\n\n10\n00:03:03,027 --> 00:03:08,111\n審查行政院徐巧芯等20人審查行政院徐巧芯等20人審查行政院徐巧芯等20人審查行政院徐巧芯等20人\n\n11\n00:03:24,122 --> 00:03:25,804\n審查行政院徐巧芯等20人審查行政院徐巧芯等20人\n\n12\n00:03:39,582 --> 00:03:41,204\n國防、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議。三、審查行政院徐巧芯等20人擬具\n\n13\n00:03:56,199 --> 00:04:16,293\n可是事實上我還是認為這樣的法體律的規範其實是有很大的疑慮的似乎是不適合定在陸海空軍懲罰法要不然你就把它定在軍審判法或者是刑事訴訟法裡面的相關規定可能都還比較適合所以你們現在定在這邊感覺上是非常突兀而且不合體律的修法\n\n14\n00:04:19,451 --> 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