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00:02:28,758\n那外交部里長昨天表達就是說我們不簽這是行政院立場就我們不簽那如果他們用強制性的手段我們有沒有什麼任何反制的這個措施呢當然我們支持第一線外管人員在現場所做的努力我們也支持外交部在衡量國際情勢底下所做的決定那無論如何這一段跟剛剛委員一開始那一段是一樣的\n\n7\n00:02:30,038 --> 00:02:56,197\n對方如果違反國際上的常規常理而且不顧國際的法規那對我們做這種強制性的我們當然要據理力爭據理力爭的不是一個場館一個點而已是管這個國家的主權跟尊嚴所以我們一定是大力的來維護我們的尊嚴但是應該對方是遭受到相當大的來自對岸的壓力這也看得出來在外交的競爭上面\n\n8\n00:02:57,358 --> 00:03:26,084\n我們永遠是跟對岸在做這種的競爭所以我們要對自己的外交人員有足夠的支撐力我們有沒有召見他們的南非駐台代表或者是我們也反制用他們的方式來請他們也搬離他們住宿也搬離台北市我記得這個還是由外交部在跟他們洽商當中那剛剛這個黃協委員提到就是小港機場定位小港機場大部分的航線是東南亞跟東北亞\n\n9\n00:03:27,330 --> 00:03:50,675\n東南亞它是一個轉機的一個契機啦。東南亞很多國家沒有直飛美國的航線。所以現在聯合航空開闢高雄到東京,我覺得它是不夠。國際航空要帶頭,特別陳部長可以請協調三家國際航空。是。你在,你可以用charter或在旺季的時候,暑假期間,\n\n10\n00:03:51,636 --> 00:04:15,489\n你可以大概開航3個月到4個月在夏季期間,空高雄直飛北美,這部分是可行的,因為他客源絕對沒有問題,因為東南亞轉機不是到,大部分是到桃園機場,但小港機場他們也可以選擇,而且航程更近,相對的機位也比較多。\n\n11\n00:04:19,423 --> 00:04:46,928\n所以我覺得這部分是不是從這個明年的夏天開始就請國際航空先試飛,搞不好這個班班課滿。因為南部啊,雲林以南啊,你如果可以選擇的話,我會選擇是小黃機場。因為沒有航線不夠,所以我沒辦法選擇我只能去小黃,去桃園機場。所以我覺得這個部分應該是可行的,是不是擬定一個時間表。\n\n12\n00:04:48,843 --> 00:05:17,903\n從明年夏季開始,旺季時間從高雄來飛北美,甚至歐洲也可以。因為高雄沒有大型的這個飛機在飛,大半都是320、321啦。所以沒有像777或者A350那種大型航空,所以它的運量永遠不足。所以我覺得疫後已經到這邊兩年時間了,應該要超越疫前的這個水平。\n\n13\n00:05:18,823 --> 00:05:40,996\n因為高雄是一個正在崛起的城市米蘭金台積電、王剛沒來都在高雄設廠高科技我們變成全世界最重要半導體的一個生產聚落都在高雄所以這個國際化的航班是很重要請院長也請部長能夠多加重視這個國際航空的部分我們來溝通另外電價電價對這個我們交通產業\n\n14\n00:05:47,885 --> 00:06:13,669\n會有一些成本的增加目前為止大概鐵路部分沒有漲當然會有增加但是就是我們自己吸收嘛鐵路部長那捷運的部分包括各縣市的捷運都沒有調整計畫但未來如果電價在調整的時候會不會台鐵的部分捷運的部分沒有勢必你要運用正常會不會造成說這個票價會調漲未來有沒有可能\n\n15\n00:06:20,407 --> 00:06:45,546\n這個長期來說未來的這個電價到底到什麼程度或者是會上漲下跌這個我們大概沒有辦法評估但是有一個部分就是說針對民眾的通勤的需求我們目前是用TPAS的部分來協助民眾在通勤的需求的面向上面讓他用最低的這個成本但是達到最高的這個通勤的這個效果我們也希望能夠推動這個公共運輸的部分那希望能夠減碳\n\n16\n00:06:46,686 --> 00:07:08,255\n這個政策到目前為止沒有改變的狀況底下,其實對一般通勤的民眾來說的話,他們用TPAS的使用大概就可以解決掉不管票價漲或者是跌的這些問題。這個部分請部長再注意一下,因為我提到我地方的交通建設,台39就是高鐵橋下。\n\n17\n00:07:09,775 --> 00:07:34,755\n高鐵橋下道路只到台南高鐵的沙崙你也知道嗎?往南就沒有了我提案了5次然後質詢了大概15次那我覺得這部分一定要做從台南要直接走高鐵橋下到高雄仁武經過市區路竹、岡山、阿聯\n\n18\n00:07:39,381 --> 00:07:55,422\n這部分經過多年的爭取,這部分我希望說交通部在未來在預算執行面能夠全力支持,這點很重要。所以部長你有空去看一下。其實那段我看過,從台南要到高雄的這一段其實大家比較有共識。\n\n19\n00:07:56,503 --> 00:07:58,843\n一向交通建設你沒有六七年不會有眉目\n\n20\n00:08:25,066 --> 00:08:42,888\n你要完成大概10年,比方說岡山第二交通道,我努力了10年才獲得交通部的行政院通過50億來批建第二交通道。所以一線交通建設,你從開始發想、從開始提案到完成10年以上。\n\n21\n00:08:43,649 --> 00:09:02,613\n所以台61線我覺得這是做一個為後代子孫有一個好的一個道路品質所以不能只做到鄭文溪口你要往南一直接到高雄市區到南子當然要經過我的選舉到海線你也知道喔到延安、彌陀、珠寨、南牧溪這部分\n\n22\n00:09:09,582 --> 00:09:10,883\n目前我們正在可行性研究的過程\n\n23\n00:09:26,973 --> 00:09:43,425\n陳秉飛委員在質詢的時候我有回答過明年的1月大概可前進研究在部的部分會有一個共識那共識出來我們會跟這個地方政府也就是台南政府因為目前針對這個路線的部分台南市政府還有一些想法有兩種方案對我們下去討論完之後大概就會再往前推進\n\n24\n00:09:44,306 --> 00:10:11,801\n那高雄斷會用B2方案會比較好是是是那另外我要問一下那個院長運動部當然這已經是政策了對不對那這個南北平衡很重要左訓中心國家的國手啊這個國家的運動基因都是在左營培訓所以運動部有可能涉及國防部\n\n25\n00:10:13,334 --> 00:10:23,778\n是,我要拜託大院能夠緊速的來審議運動部相關的組織法的一些修正,讓這個運動部能夠緊速的上路。\n\n26\n00:10:25,666 --> 00:10:47,605\n未來他會在哪個地方成為他最適合的服務國人的一個地點目前還在整個規劃當中我當然認為我甚至認為找一個有操場的地方讓他去也不錯讓他能夠去運動那左運中心他本身是有這些設施的這是一個想法那因為現在運動部的從構想規劃到現在我們有經過籌備小組跟諮詢小組\n\n27\n00:10:52,045 --> 00:10:54,547\n現有的基礎,包括氣候,包括這個城市的未來性,我是覺得國融是最好的。\n\n28\n00:11:12,973 --> 00:11:37,998\n我們會把委員的建議清清楚楚記載下來在討論的時候會很重視另外國家體育運動博物館我也曾經質詢過在陳建仁院長的時候這部分我也爭取很久但是文化部說這個也不是他們的未來體育部也說這個博物館好像是文化部管的\n\n29\n00:11:38,678 --> 00:11:41,619\n在未來討論的時候,我希望每個部會都勇於認識,把自己所該有的業館範圍,\n\n30\n00:12:00,239 --> 00:12:08,617\n國人做更好的資訊提供跟服務那如果能夠朝這樣講也是把我們國家的整個體育運動的品質水平往上拉升\n\n31\n00:12:09,276 --> 00:12:14,579\n三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n\n32\n00:12:39,097 --> 00:13:05,263\n大部分是南北向,紅線是南北向,但也有橘線是東西向,那是原來的市區,但原來縣區八國雄也需要一個東西向,東西向這個子線這個是大家全民的期待,也能夠帶動這個北高雄的發展,可以連接北高雄跟東高雄,但這個區域就是未來半導體S囊帶的核心區了,\n\n33\n00:13:07,677 --> 00:13:36,613\n所以這部分我希望中央能夠大力支持是,當時的可行性研究中央鼓助了1680萬那現在可行性研究市政府在9月19號已經送到了交通部那我們現在正在審議的過程那委員很關心我們就來加速這個審議的過程能夠設一個支線到鵝阿寮紫關鵝阿寮因為他線都沒有往北沒有到我選區能夠設一個支線到鵝阿寮能夠帶動地方的發展這請交通部一併考慮\n\n34\n00:13:37,463 --> 00:14:02,375\n另外我還有一點時間我請教這個工程會陳主委就有關於院長有關於這個因為陳主委也是兼任政委是的那有些這個協調部分以政委來發揮會比較好一點就是說有些漁港比如說晴仁碼頭淡水有漁仁碼頭那加拿大協定也有一個這個\n\n35\n00:14:04,716 --> 00:14:19,422\n三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨\n\n36\n00:14:31,744 --> 00:14:57,441\n那麼好的一個海岸的遊戲區但是沒有主管機關市政府他財源有限所以我這部分我是不是可以請院長再請主委針對情人碼頭如何活化以及漁業署跟觀光部跟觀光署怎麼去協調用觀光的資源帶動漁港觀光的發展這個很重要\n\n37\n00:14:58,137 --> 00:14:58,297\n主席\n\n38\n00:15:14,554 --> 00:15:14,874\n謝謝邱委員\n\n39\n00:15:44,490 --> 00:15:44,692\n謝謝卓院長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n229\t21291\t下一位請邱志偉委員質詢。謝謝主席,有請行政院左院長、交通部陳部長。左院長陳部長,備詢。\n31089\t51221\t邱委員好 院長早 院長我最近參加一個佛學講座 聽師父在開示的時候 人生的過程 做人做事都會碰到一些邪魔邪魔 邪魔是指的人 有可能是指事\n52455\t65853\t新逃獵的地,新居正,蘇國說一句話,你做政治工作,新居正則邪魔不入。 說這樣,你議會辦理依照憲法來執行。\n67571\t68591\t我們希望大家互相善化感化\n90396\t118907\t所以你要散化、感化、協磨,你心要先舉證。對,對,對,我們自己的防衛要很堅強。是,是,好,多謝。那這個,問一下那個南非的問題,南非當然這不是第一例,過去有奈及利亞,也是叫我們的辦事處從首都遷到其他城市。那這南非,他更惡劣,限期在10月底,要遷出這個首都普魯克利亞。\n120202\t148758\t那外交部里長昨天表達就是說我們不簽這是行政院立場就我們不簽那如果他們用強制性的手段我們有沒有什麼任何反制的這個措施呢當然我們支持第一線外管人員在現場所做的努力我們也支持外交部在衡量國際情勢底下所做的決定那無論如何這一段跟剛剛委員一開始那一段是一樣的\n150038\t176197\t對方如果違反國際上的常規常理而且不顧國際的法規那對我們做這種強制性的我們當然要據理力爭據理力爭的不是一個場館一個點而已是管這個國家的主權跟尊嚴所以我們一定是大力的來維護我們的尊嚴但是應該對方是遭受到相當大的來自對岸的壓力這也看得出來在外交的競爭上面\n177358\t206084\t我們永遠是跟對岸在做這種的競爭所以我們要對自己的外交人員有足夠的支撐力我們有沒有召見他們的南非駐台代表或者是我們也反制用他們的方式來請他們也搬離他們住宿也搬離台北市我記得這個還是由外交部在跟他們洽商當中那剛剛這個黃協委員提到就是小港機場定位小港機場大部分的航線是東南亞跟東北亞\n207330\t230675\t東南亞它是一個轉機的一個契機啦。 東南亞很多國家沒有直飛美國的航線。 所以現在聯合航空開闢高雄到東京,我覺得它是不夠。 國際航空要帶頭,特別陳部長可以請協調三家國際航空。 是。 你在,你可以用charter或在旺季的時候,暑假期間,\n231636\t255489\t你可以大概開航3個月到4個月在夏季期間,空高雄直飛北美,這部分是可行的,因為他客源絕對沒有問題,因為東南亞轉機不是到,大部分是到桃園機場,但小港機場他們也可以選擇,而且航程更近,相對的機位也比較多。\n259423\t286928\t所以我覺得這部分是不是從這個明年的夏天開始就請國際航空先試飛,搞不好這個班班課滿。因為南部啊,雲林以南啊,你如果可以選擇的話,我會選擇是小黃機場。因為沒有航線不夠,所以我沒辦法選擇我只能去小黃,去桃園機場。所以我覺得這個部分應該是可行的,是不是擬定一個時間表。\n288843\t317903\t從明年夏季開始,旺季時間從高雄來飛北美,甚至歐洲也可以。因為高雄沒有大型的這個飛機在飛,大半都是320、321啦。所以沒有像777或者A350那種大型航空,所以它的運量永遠不足。所以我覺得疫後已經到這邊兩年時間了,應該要超越疫前的這個水平。\n318823\t340996\t因為高雄是一個正在崛起的城市米蘭金台積電、王剛沒來都在高雄設廠高科技我們變成全世界最重要半導體的一個生產聚落都在高雄所以這個國際化的航班是很重要請院長也請部長能夠多加重視這個國際航空的部分我們來溝通另外電價電價對這個我們交通產業\n347885\t373669\t會有一些成本的增加目前為止大概鐵路部分沒有漲當然會有增加但是就是我們自己吸收嘛鐵路部長那捷運的部分包括各縣市的捷運都沒有調整計畫但未來如果電價在調整的時候會不會台鐵的部分捷運的部分沒有勢必你要運用正常會不會造成說這個票價會調漲未來有沒有可能\n380407\t405546\t這個長期來說未來的這個電價到底到什麼程度或者是會上漲下跌這個我們大概沒有辦法評估但是有一個部分就是說針對民眾的通勤的需求我們目前是用TPAS的部分來協助民眾在通勤的需求的面向上面讓他用最低的這個成本但是達到最高的這個通勤的這個效果我們也希望能夠推動這個公共運輸的部分那希望能夠減碳\n406686\t428255\t這個政策到目前為止沒有改變的狀況底下,其實對一般通勤的民眾來說的話,他們用TPAS的使用大概就可以解決掉不管票價漲或者是跌的這些問題。這個部分請部長再注意一下,因為我提到我地方的交通建設,台39就是高鐵橋下。\n429775\t454755\t高鐵橋下道路只到台南高鐵的沙崙你也知道嗎?往南就沒有了我提案了5次然後質詢了大概15次那我覺得這部分一定要做從台南要直接走高鐵橋下到高雄仁武經過市區路竹、岡山、阿聯\n459381\t475422\t這部分經過多年的爭取,這部分我希望說交通部在未來在預算執行面能夠全力支持,這點很重要。所以部長你有空去看一下。其實那段我看過,從台南要到高雄的這一段其實大家比較有共識。\n476503\t478843\t一向交通建設你沒有六七年不會有眉目\n505066\t522888\t你要完成大概10年,比方說岡山第二交通道,我努力了10年才獲得交通部的行政院通過50億來批建第二交通道。所以一線交通建設,你從開始發想、從開始提案到完成10年以上。\n523649\t542613\t所以台61線我覺得這是做一個為後代子孫有一個好的一個道路品質所以不能只做到鄭文溪口你要往南一直接到高雄市區到南子當然要經過我的選舉到海線你也知道喔到延安、彌陀、珠寨、南牧溪這部分\n549582\t550883\t目前我們正在可行性研究的過程\n566973\t583425\t陳秉飛委員在質詢的時候我有回答過明年的1月大概可前進研究在部的部分會有一個共識那共識出來我們會跟這個地方政府也就是台南政府因為目前針對這個路線的部分台南市政府還有一些想法有兩種方案對我們下去討論完之後大概就會再往前推進\n584306\t611801\t那高雄斷會用B2方案會比較好是是是那另外我要問一下那個院長運動部當然這已經是政策了對不對那這個南北平衡很重要左訓中心國家的國手啊這個國家的運動基因都是在左營培訓所以運動部有可能涉及國防部\n613334\t623778\t是,我要拜託大院能夠緊速的來審議運動部相關的組織法的一些修正,讓這個運動部能夠緊速的上路。\n625666\t647605\t未來他會在哪個地方成為他最適合的服務國人的一個地點目前還在整個規劃當中我當然認為我甚至認為找一個有操場的地方讓他去也不錯讓他能夠去運動那左運中心他本身是有這些設施的這是一個想法那因為現在運動部的從構想規劃到現在我們有經過籌備小組跟諮詢小組\n652045\t654547\t現有的基礎,包括氣候,包括這個城市的未來性,我是覺得國融是最好的。\n672973\t697998\t我們會把委員的建議清清楚楚記載下來在討論的時候會很重視另外國家體育運動博物館我也曾經質詢過在陳建仁院長的時候這部分我也爭取很久但是文化部說這個也不是他們的未來體育部也說這個博物館好像是文化部管的\n698678\t701619\t在未來討論的時候,我希望每個部會都勇於認識,把自己所該有的業館範圍,\n720239\t728617\t國人做更好的資訊提供跟服務那如果能夠朝這樣講也是把我們國家的整個體育運動的品質水平往上拉升\n729276\t734579\t三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n759097\t785263\t大部分是南北向,紅線是南北向,但也有橘線是東西向,那是原來的市區,但原來縣區八國雄也需要一個東西向,東西向這個子線這個是大家全民的期待,也能夠帶動這個北高雄的發展,可以連接北高雄跟東高雄,但這個區域就是未來半導體S囊帶的核心區了,\n787677\t816613\t所以這部分我希望中央能夠大力支持是,當時的可行性研究中央鼓助了1680萬那現在可行性研究市政府在9月19號已經送到了交通部那我們現在正在審議的過程那委員很關心我們就來加速這個審議的過程能夠設一個支線到鵝阿寮紫關鵝阿寮因為他線都沒有往北沒有到我選區能夠設一個支線到鵝阿寮能夠帶動地方的發展這請交通部一併考慮\n817463\t842375\t另外我還有一點時間我請教這個工程會陳主委就有關於院長有關於這個因為陳主委也是兼任政委是的那有些這個協調部分以政委來發揮會比較好一點就是說有些漁港比如說晴仁碼頭淡水有漁仁碼頭那加拿大協定也有一個這個\n844716\t859422\t三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨\n871744\t897441\t那麼好的一個海岸的遊戲區但是沒有主管機關市政府他財源有限所以我這部分我是不是可以請院長再請主委針對情人碼頭如何活化以及漁業署跟觀光部跟觀光署怎麼去協調用觀光的資源帶動漁港觀光的發展這個很重要\n898137\t898297\t主席\n914554\t914874\t謝謝邱委員\n944490\t944692\t謝謝卓院長\n","txt":"下一位請邱志偉委員質詢。謝謝主席,有請行政院左院長、交通部陳部長。左院長陳部長,備詢。\n邱委員好 院長早 院長我最近參加一個佛學講座 聽師父在開示的時候 人生的過程 做人做事都會碰到一些邪魔邪魔 邪魔是指的人 有可能是指事\n新逃獵的地,新居正,蘇國說一句話,你做政治工作,新居正則邪魔不入。 說這樣,你議會辦理依照憲法來執行。\n我們希望大家互相善化感化\n所以你要散化、感化、協磨,你心要先舉證。對,對,對,我們自己的防衛要很堅強。是,是,好,多謝。那這個,問一下那個南非的問題,南非當然這不是第一例,過去有奈及利亞,也是叫我們的辦事處從首都遷到其他城市。那這南非,他更惡劣,限期在10月底,要遷出這個首都普魯克利亞。\n那外交部里長昨天表達就是說我們不簽這是行政院立場就我們不簽那如果他們用強制性的手段我們有沒有什麼任何反制的這個措施呢當然我們支持第一線外管人員在現場所做的努力我們也支持外交部在衡量國際情勢底下所做的決定那無論如何這一段跟剛剛委員一開始那一段是一樣的\n對方如果違反國際上的常規常理而且不顧國際的法規那對我們做這種強制性的我們當然要據理力爭據理力爭的不是一個場館一個點而已是管這個國家的主權跟尊嚴所以我們一定是大力的來維護我們的尊嚴但是應該對方是遭受到相當大的來自對岸的壓力這也看得出來在外交的競爭上面\n我們永遠是跟對岸在做這種的競爭所以我們要對自己的外交人員有足夠的支撐力我們有沒有召見他們的南非駐台代表或者是我們也反制用他們的方式來請他們也搬離他們住宿也搬離台北市我記得這個還是由外交部在跟他們洽商當中那剛剛這個黃協委員提到就是小港機場定位小港機場大部分的航線是東南亞跟東北亞\n東南亞它是一個轉機的一個契機啦。 東南亞很多國家沒有直飛美國的航線。 所以現在聯合航空開闢高雄到東京,我覺得它是不夠。 國際航空要帶頭,特別陳部長可以請協調三家國際航空。 是。 你在,你可以用charter或在旺季的時候,暑假期間,\n你可以大概開航3個月到4個月在夏季期間,空高雄直飛北美,這部分是可行的,因為他客源絕對沒有問題,因為東南亞轉機不是到,大部分是到桃園機場,但小港機場他們也可以選擇,而且航程更近,相對的機位也比較多。\n所以我覺得這部分是不是從這個明年的夏天開始就請國際航空先試飛,搞不好這個班班課滿。因為南部啊,雲林以南啊,你如果可以選擇的話,我會選擇是小黃機場。因為沒有航線不夠,所以我沒辦法選擇我只能去小黃,去桃園機場。所以我覺得這個部分應該是可行的,是不是擬定一個時間表。\n從明年夏季開始,旺季時間從高雄來飛北美,甚至歐洲也可以。因為高雄沒有大型的這個飛機在飛,大半都是320、321啦。所以沒有像777或者A350那種大型航空,所以它的運量永遠不足。所以我覺得疫後已經到這邊兩年時間了,應該要超越疫前的這個水平。\n因為高雄是一個正在崛起的城市米蘭金台積電、王剛沒來都在高雄設廠高科技我們變成全世界最重要半導體的一個生產聚落都在高雄所以這個國際化的航班是很重要請院長也請部長能夠多加重視這個國際航空的部分我們來溝通另外電價電價對這個我們交通產業\n會有一些成本的增加目前為止大概鐵路部分沒有漲當然會有增加但是就是我們自己吸收嘛鐵路部長那捷運的部分包括各縣市的捷運都沒有調整計畫但未來如果電價在調整的時候會不會台鐵的部分捷運的部分沒有勢必你要運用正常會不會造成說這個票價會調漲未來有沒有可能\n這個長期來說未來的這個電價到底到什麼程度或者是會上漲下跌這個我們大概沒有辦法評估但是有一個部分就是說針對民眾的通勤的需求我們目前是用TPAS的部分來協助民眾在通勤的需求的面向上面讓他用最低的這個成本但是達到最高的這個通勤的這個效果我們也希望能夠推動這個公共運輸的部分那希望能夠減碳\n這個政策到目前為止沒有改變的狀況底下,其實對一般通勤的民眾來說的話,他們用TPAS的使用大概就可以解決掉不管票價漲或者是跌的這些問題。這個部分請部長再注意一下,因為我提到我地方的交通建設,台39就是高鐵橋下。\n高鐵橋下道路只到台南高鐵的沙崙你也知道嗎?往南就沒有了我提案了5次然後質詢了大概15次那我覺得這部分一定要做從台南要直接走高鐵橋下到高雄仁武經過市區路竹、岡山、阿聯\n這部分經過多年的爭取,這部分我希望說交通部在未來在預算執行面能夠全力支持,這點很重要。所以部長你有空去看一下。其實那段我看過,從台南要到高雄的這一段其實大家比較有共識。\n一向交通建設你沒有六七年不會有眉目\n你要完成大概10年,比方說岡山第二交通道,我努力了10年才獲得交通部的行政院通過50億來批建第二交通道。所以一線交通建設,你從開始發想、從開始提案到完成10年以上。\n所以台61線我覺得這是做一個為後代子孫有一個好的一個道路品質所以不能只做到鄭文溪口你要往南一直接到高雄市區到南子當然要經過我的選舉到海線你也知道喔到延安、彌陀、珠寨、南牧溪這部分\n目前我們正在可行性研究的過程\n陳秉飛委員在質詢的時候我有回答過明年的1月大概可前進研究在部的部分會有一個共識那共識出來我們會跟這個地方政府也就是台南政府因為目前針對這個路線的部分台南市政府還有一些想法有兩種方案對我們下去討論完之後大概就會再往前推進\n那高雄斷會用B2方案會比較好是是是那另外我要問一下那個院長運動部當然這已經是政策了對不對那這個南北平衡很重要左訓中心國家的國手啊這個國家的運動基因都是在左營培訓所以運動部有可能涉及國防部\n是,我要拜託大院能夠緊速的來審議運動部相關的組織法的一些修正,讓這個運動部能夠緊速的上路。\n未來他會在哪個地方成為他最適合的服務國人的一個地點目前還在整個規劃當中我當然認為我甚至認為找一個有操場的地方讓他去也不錯讓他能夠去運動那左運中心他本身是有這些設施的這是一個想法那因為現在運動部的從構想規劃到現在我們有經過籌備小組跟諮詢小組\n現有的基礎,包括氣候,包括這個城市的未來性,我是覺得國融是最好的。\n我們會把委員的建議清清楚楚記載下來在討論的時候會很重視另外國家體育運動博物館我也曾經質詢過在陳建仁院長的時候這部分我也爭取很久但是文化部說這個也不是他們的未來體育部也說這個博物館好像是文化部管的\n在未來討論的時候,我希望每個部會都勇於認識,把自己所該有的業館範圍,\n國人做更好的資訊提供跟服務那如果能夠朝這樣講也是把我們國家的整個體育運動的品質水平往上拉升\n三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n大部分是南北向,紅線是南北向,但也有橘線是東西向,那是原來的市區,但原來縣區八國雄也需要一個東西向,東西向這個子線這個是大家全民的期待,也能夠帶動這個北高雄的發展,可以連接北高雄跟東高雄,但這個區域就是未來半導體S囊帶的核心區了,\n所以這部分我希望中央能夠大力支持是,當時的可行性研究中央鼓助了1680萬那現在可行性研究市政府在9月19號已經送到了交通部那我們現在正在審議的過程那委員很關心我們就來加速這個審議的過程能夠設一個支線到鵝阿寮紫關鵝阿寮因為他線都沒有往北沒有到我選區能夠設一個支線到鵝阿寮能夠帶動地方的發展這請交通部一併考慮\n另外我還有一點時間我請教這個工程會陳主委就有關於院長有關於這個因為陳主委也是兼任政委是的那有些這個協調部分以政委來發揮會比較好一點就是說有些漁港比如說晴仁碼頭淡水有漁仁碼頭那加拿大協定也有一個這個\n三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨\n那麼好的一個海岸的遊戲區但是沒有主管機關市政府他財源有限所以我這部分我是不是可以請院長再請主委針對情人碼頭如何活化以及漁業署跟觀光部跟觀光署怎麼去協調用觀光的資源帶動漁港觀光的發展這個很重要\n主席\n謝謝邱委員\n謝謝卓院長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.229 --> 00:21.291\n下一位請邱志偉委員質詢。謝謝主席,有請行政院左院長、交通部陳部長。左院長陳部長,備詢。\n\n00:31.089 --> 00:51.221\n邱委員好院長早院長我最近參加一個佛學講座聽師父在開示的時候人生的過程做人做事都會碰到一些邪魔邪魔邪魔是指的人有可能是指事\n\n00:52.455 --> 01:05.853\n新逃獵的地,新居正,蘇國說一句話,你做政治工作,新居正則邪魔不入。說這樣,你議會辦理依照憲法來執行。\n\n01:07.571 --> 01:08.591\n我們希望大家互相善化感化\n\n01:30.396 --> 01:58.907\n所以你要散化、感化、協磨,你心要先舉證。對,對,對,我們自己的防衛要很堅強。是,是,好,多謝。那這個,問一下那個南非的問題,南非當然這不是第一例,過去有奈及利亞,也是叫我們的辦事處從首都遷到其他城市。那這南非,他更惡劣,限期在10月底,要遷出這個首都普魯克利亞。\n\n02:00.202 --> 02:28.758\n那外交部里長昨天表達就是說我們不簽這是行政院立場就我們不簽那如果他們用強制性的手段我們有沒有什麼任何反制的這個措施呢當然我們支持第一線外管人員在現場所做的努力我們也支持外交部在衡量國際情勢底下所做的決定那無論如何這一段跟剛剛委員一開始那一段是一樣的\n\n02:30.038 --> 02:56.197\n對方如果違反國際上的常規常理而且不顧國際的法規那對我們做這種強制性的我們當然要據理力爭據理力爭的不是一個場館一個點而已是管這個國家的主權跟尊嚴所以我們一定是大力的來維護我們的尊嚴但是應該對方是遭受到相當大的來自對岸的壓力這也看得出來在外交的競爭上面\n\n02:57.358 --> 03:26.084\n我們永遠是跟對岸在做這種的競爭所以我們要對自己的外交人員有足夠的支撐力我們有沒有召見他們的南非駐台代表或者是我們也反制用他們的方式來請他們也搬離他們住宿也搬離台北市我記得這個還是由外交部在跟他們洽商當中那剛剛這個黃協委員提到就是小港機場定位小港機場大部分的航線是東南亞跟東北亞\n\n03:27.330 --> 03:50.675\n東南亞它是一個轉機的一個契機啦。東南亞很多國家沒有直飛美國的航線。所以現在聯合航空開闢高雄到東京,我覺得它是不夠。國際航空要帶頭,特別陳部長可以請協調三家國際航空。是。你在,你可以用charter或在旺季的時候,暑假期間,\n\n03:51.636 --> 04:15.489\n你可以大概開航3個月到4個月在夏季期間,空高雄直飛北美,這部分是可行的,因為他客源絕對沒有問題,因為東南亞轉機不是到,大部分是到桃園機場,但小港機場他們也可以選擇,而且航程更近,相對的機位也比較多。\n\n04:19.423 --> 04:46.928\n所以我覺得這部分是不是從這個明年的夏天開始就請國際航空先試飛,搞不好這個班班課滿。因為南部啊,雲林以南啊,你如果可以選擇的話,我會選擇是小黃機場。因為沒有航線不夠,所以我沒辦法選擇我只能去小黃,去桃園機場。所以我覺得這個部分應該是可行的,是不是擬定一個時間表。\n\n04:48.843 --> 05:17.903\n從明年夏季開始,旺季時間從高雄來飛北美,甚至歐洲也可以。因為高雄沒有大型的這個飛機在飛,大半都是320、321啦。所以沒有像777或者A350那種大型航空,所以它的運量永遠不足。所以我覺得疫後已經到這邊兩年時間了,應該要超越疫前的這個水平。\n\n05:18.823 --> 05:40.996\n因為高雄是一個正在崛起的城市米蘭金台積電、王剛沒來都在高雄設廠高科技我們變成全世界最重要半導體的一個生產聚落都在高雄所以這個國際化的航班是很重要請院長也請部長能夠多加重視這個國際航空的部分我們來溝通另外電價電價對這個我們交通產業\n\n05:47.885 --> 06:13.669\n會有一些成本的增加目前為止大概鐵路部分沒有漲當然會有增加但是就是我們自己吸收嘛鐵路部長那捷運的部分包括各縣市的捷運都沒有調整計畫但未來如果電價在調整的時候會不會台鐵的部分捷運的部分沒有勢必你要運用正常會不會造成說這個票價會調漲未來有沒有可能\n\n06:20.407 --> 06:45.546\n這個長期來說未來的這個電價到底到什麼程度或者是會上漲下跌這個我們大概沒有辦法評估但是有一個部分就是說針對民眾的通勤的需求我們目前是用TPAS的部分來協助民眾在通勤的需求的面向上面讓他用最低的這個成本但是達到最高的這個通勤的這個效果我們也希望能夠推動這個公共運輸的部分那希望能夠減碳\n\n06:46.686 --> 07:08.255\n這個政策到目前為止沒有改變的狀況底下,其實對一般通勤的民眾來說的話,他們用TPAS的使用大概就可以解決掉不管票價漲或者是跌的這些問題。這個部分請部長再注意一下,因為我提到我地方的交通建設,台39就是高鐵橋下。\n\n07:09.775 --> 07:34.755\n高鐵橋下道路只到台南高鐵的沙崙你也知道嗎?往南就沒有了我提案了5次然後質詢了大概15次那我覺得這部分一定要做從台南要直接走高鐵橋下到高雄仁武經過市區路竹、岡山、阿聯\n\n07:39.381 --> 07:55.422\n這部分經過多年的爭取,這部分我希望說交通部在未來在預算執行面能夠全力支持,這點很重要。所以部長你有空去看一下。其實那段我看過,從台南要到高雄的這一段其實大家比較有共識。\n\n07:56.503 --> 07:58.843\n一向交通建設你沒有六七年不會有眉目\n\n08:25.066 --> 08:42.888\n你要完成大概10年,比方說岡山第二交通道,我努力了10年才獲得交通部的行政院通過50億來批建第二交通道。所以一線交通建設,你從開始發想、從開始提案到完成10年以上。\n\n08:43.649 --> 09:02.613\n所以台61線我覺得這是做一個為後代子孫有一個好的一個道路品質所以不能只做到鄭文溪口你要往南一直接到高雄市區到南子當然要經過我的選舉到海線你也知道喔到延安、彌陀、珠寨、南牧溪這部分\n\n09:09.582 --> 09:10.883\n目前我們正在可行性研究的過程\n\n09:26.973 --> 09:43.425\n陳秉飛委員在質詢的時候我有回答過明年的1月大概可前進研究在部的部分會有一個共識那共識出來我們會跟這個地方政府也就是台南政府因為目前針對這個路線的部分台南市政府還有一些想法有兩種方案對我們下去討論完之後大概就會再往前推進\n\n09:44.306 --> 10:11.801\n那高雄斷會用B2方案會比較好是是是那另外我要問一下那個院長運動部當然這已經是政策了對不對那這個南北平衡很重要左訓中心國家的國手啊這個國家的運動基因都是在左營培訓所以運動部有可能涉及國防部\n\n10:13.334 --> 10:23.778\n是,我要拜託大院能夠緊速的來審議運動部相關的組織法的一些修正,讓這個運動部能夠緊速的上路。\n\n10:25.666 --> 10:47.605\n未來他會在哪個地方成為他最適合的服務國人的一個地點目前還在整個規劃當中我當然認為我甚至認為找一個有操場的地方讓他去也不錯讓他能夠去運動那左運中心他本身是有這些設施的這是一個想法那因為現在運動部的從構想規劃到現在我們有經過籌備小組跟諮詢小組\n\n10:52.045 --> 10:54.547\n現有的基礎,包括氣候,包括這個城市的未來性,我是覺得國融是最好的。\n\n11:12.973 --> 11:37.998\n我們會把委員的建議清清楚楚記載下來在討論的時候會很重視另外國家體育運動博物館我也曾經質詢過在陳建仁院長的時候這部分我也爭取很久但是文化部說這個也不是他們的未來體育部也說這個博物館好像是文化部管的\n\n11:38.678 --> 11:41.619\n在未來討論的時候,我希望每個部會都勇於認識,把自己所該有的業館範圍,\n\n12:00.239 --> 12:08.617\n國人做更好的資訊提供跟服務那如果能夠朝這樣講也是把我們國家的整個體育運動的品質水平往上拉升\n\n12:09.276 --> 12:14.579\n三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n\n12:39.097 --> 13:05.263\n大部分是南北向,紅線是南北向,但也有橘線是東西向,那是原來的市區,但原來縣區八國雄也需要一個東西向,東西向這個子線這個是大家全民的期待,也能夠帶動這個北高雄的發展,可以連接北高雄跟東高雄,但這個區域就是未來半導體S囊帶的核心區了,\n\n13:07.677 --> 13:36.613\n所以這部分我希望中央能夠大力支持是,當時的可行性研究中央鼓助了1680萬那現在可行性研究市政府在9月19號已經送到了交通部那我們現在正在審議的過程那委員很關心我們就來加速這個審議的過程能夠設一個支線到鵝阿寮紫關鵝阿寮因為他線都沒有往北沒有到我選區能夠設一個支線到鵝阿寮能夠帶動地方的發展這請交通部一併考慮\n\n13:37.463 --> 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你在,你可以用charter或在旺季的時候,暑假期間,"},{"start":231.636,"end":255.489,"text":"你可以大概開航3個月到4個月在夏季期間,空高雄直飛北美,這部分是可行的,因為他客源絕對沒有問題,因為東南亞轉機不是到,大部分是到桃園機場,但小港機場他們也可以選擇,而且航程更近,相對的機位也比較多。"},{"start":259.423,"end":286.928,"text":"所以我覺得這部分是不是從這個明年的夏天開始就請國際航空先試飛,搞不好這個班班課滿。因為南部啊,雲林以南啊,你如果可以選擇的話,我會選擇是小黃機場。因為沒有航線不夠,所以我沒辦法選擇我只能去小黃,去桃園機場。所以我覺得這個部分應該是可行的,是不是擬定一個時間表。"},{"start":288.843,"end":317.903,"text":"從明年夏季開始,旺季時間從高雄來飛北美,甚至歐洲也可以。因為高雄沒有大型的這個飛機在飛,大半都是320、321啦。所以沒有像777或者A350那種大型航空,所以它的運量永遠不足。所以我覺得疫後已經到這邊兩年時間了,應該要超越疫前的這個水平。"},{"start":318.823,"end":340.996,"text":"因為高雄是一個正在崛起的城市米蘭金台積電、王剛沒來都在高雄設廠高科技我們變成全世界最重要半導體的一個生產聚落都在高雄所以這個國際化的航班是很重要請院長也請部長能夠多加重視這個國際航空的部分我們來溝通另外電價電價對這個我們交通產業"},{"start":347.885,"end":373.669,"text":"會有一些成本的增加目前為止大概鐵路部分沒有漲當然會有增加但是就是我們自己吸收嘛鐵路部長那捷運的部分包括各縣市的捷運都沒有調整計畫但未來如果電價在調整的時候會不會台鐵的部分捷運的部分沒有勢必你要運用正常會不會造成說這個票價會調漲未來有沒有可能"},{"start":380.407,"end":405.546,"text":"這個長期來說未來的這個電價到底到什麼程度或者是會上漲下跌這個我們大概沒有辦法評估但是有一個部分就是說針對民眾的通勤的需求我們目前是用TPAS的部分來協助民眾在通勤的需求的面向上面讓他用最低的這個成本但是達到最高的這個通勤的這個效果我們也希望能夠推動這個公共運輸的部分那希望能夠減碳"},{"start":406.686,"end":428.255,"text":"這個政策到目前為止沒有改變的狀況底下,其實對一般通勤的民眾來說的話,他們用TPAS的使用大概就可以解決掉不管票價漲或者是跌的這些問題。這個部分請部長再注意一下,因為我提到我地方的交通建設,台39就是高鐵橋下。"},{"start":429.775,"end":454.755,"text":"高鐵橋下道路只到台南高鐵的沙崙你也知道嗎?往南就沒有了我提案了5次然後質詢了大概15次那我覺得這部分一定要做從台南要直接走高鐵橋下到高雄仁武經過市區路竹、岡山、阿聯"},{"start":459.381,"end":475.422,"text":"這部分經過多年的爭取,這部分我希望說交通部在未來在預算執行面能夠全力支持,這點很重要。所以部長你有空去看一下。其實那段我看過,從台南要到高雄的這一段其實大家比較有共識。"},{"start":476.503,"end":478.843,"text":"一向交通建設你沒有六七年不會有眉目"},{"start":505.066,"end":522.888,"text":"你要完成大概10年,比方說岡山第二交通道,我努力了10年才獲得交通部的行政院通過50億來批建第二交通道。所以一線交通建設,你從開始發想、從開始提案到完成10年以上。"},{"start":523.649,"end":542.613,"text":"所以台61線我覺得這是做一個為後代子孫有一個好的一個道路品質所以不能只做到鄭文溪口你要往南一直接到高雄市區到南子當然要經過我的選舉到海線你也知道喔到延安、彌陀、珠寨、南牧溪這部分"},{"start":549.582,"end":550.883,"text":"目前我們正在可行性研究的過程"},{"start":566.973,"end":583.425,"text":"陳秉飛委員在質詢的時候我有回答過明年的1月大概可前進研究在部的部分會有一個共識那共識出來我們會跟這個地方政府也就是台南政府因為目前針對這個路線的部分台南市政府還有一些想法有兩種方案對我們下去討論完之後大概就會再往前推進"},{"start":584.306,"end":611.801,"text":"那高雄斷會用B2方案會比較好是是是那另外我要問一下那個院長運動部當然這已經是政策了對不對那這個南北平衡很重要左訓中心國家的國手啊這個國家的運動基因都是在左營培訓所以運動部有可能涉及國防部"},{"start":613.334,"end":623.778,"text":"是,我要拜託大院能夠緊速的來審議運動部相關的組織法的一些修正,讓這個運動部能夠緊速的上路。"},{"start":625.666,"end":647.605,"text":"未來他會在哪個地方成為他最適合的服務國人的一個地點目前還在整個規劃當中我當然認為我甚至認為找一個有操場的地方讓他去也不錯讓他能夠去運動那左運中心他本身是有這些設施的這是一個想法那因為現在運動部的從構想規劃到現在我們有經過籌備小組跟諮詢小組"},{"start":652.045,"end":654.547,"text":"現有的基礎,包括氣候,包括這個城市的未來性,我是覺得國融是最好的。"},{"start":672.973,"end":697.998,"text":"我們會把委員的建議清清楚楚記載下來在討論的時候會很重視另外國家體育運動博物館我也曾經質詢過在陳建仁院長的時候這部分我也爭取很久但是文化部說這個也不是他們的未來體育部也說這個博物館好像是文化部管的"},{"start":698.678,"end":701.619,"text":"在未來討論的時候,我希望每個部會都勇於認識,把自己所該有的業館範圍,"},{"start":720.239,"end":728.617,"text":"國人做更好的資訊提供跟服務那如果能夠朝這樣講也是把我們國家的整個體育運動的品質水平往上拉升"},{"start":729.276,"end":734.579,"text":"三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。"},{"start":759.097,"end":785.263,"text":"大部分是南北向,紅線是南北向,但也有橘線是東西向,那是原來的市區,但原來縣區八國雄也需要一個東西向,東西向這個子線這個是大家全民的期待,也能夠帶動這個北高雄的發展,可以連接北高雄跟東高雄,但這個區域就是未來半導體S囊帶的核心區了,"},{"start":787.677,"end":816.613,"text":"所以這部分我希望中央能夠大力支持是,當時的可行性研究中央鼓助了1680萬那現在可行性研究市政府在9月19號已經送到了交通部那我們現在正在審議的過程那委員很關心我們就來加速這個審議的過程能夠設一個支線到鵝阿寮紫關鵝阿寮因為他線都沒有往北沒有到我選區能夠設一個支線到鵝阿寮能夠帶動地方的發展這請交通部一併考慮"},{"start":817.463,"end":842.375,"text":"另外我還有一點時間我請教這個工程會陳主委就有關於院長有關於這個因為陳主委也是兼任政委是的那有些這個協調部分以政委來發揮會比較好一點就是說有些漁港比如說晴仁碼頭淡水有漁仁碼頭那加拿大協定也有一個這個"},{"start":844.716,"end":859.422,"text":"三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 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區發展協會的好朋友，我們在此歡迎他們到立法院參訪，謝謝。","下一位我們請魯明哲委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":195,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-5","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","賴瑞隆","陳亭妃","陳俊宇","黃捷","李坤城","邱志偉","魯明哲","林沛祥","黃珊珊","陳昭姿","林憶君","羅廷瑋","范雲","李彥秀","王世堅","盧縣一","邱若華","葉元之","何欣純","徐欣瑩","羅美玲","劉建國"],"page_start":109,"meetingDate":["2024-10-22"],"gazette_id":"1138101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138101_00004","1138101_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第5次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─ 詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1138101_00009"}}}