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00:01:11,214\n韓貨輪．這是交通部．國家離岸風電電力人員穩定工業及效益的問題．這是經濟部．環境永續發展及數據監控．這是環境部．缺乏有效的統合、各行其事．我就以高雄為例．我們每一個擴建產業轉型．要來做離岸風電的．每一個都是巨額的投資．每一家都是數十億以上．\n\n5\n00:01:29,528 --> 00:01:55,047\n好,我們面臨的什麼問題?第一個,港灣條件不足。我們的這個航道深度、船舶迴轉的空間,乃至土地承載力都不足以支撐水下鋼結構的所需。第二個,作業船舶數量跟人力規劃不足,也就是建設跟維運量是嚴重不足。第三個,南北金屬扣建產業的配套失衡。最離譜的是什麼?我高雄生產組裝之後,我運到彰化的成本竟然比\n\n6\n00:01:59,631 --> 00:02:08,620\n韓國到台北港組裝再到彰化還貴不管南運到中或者是韓國運到北再到彰化我都已經加計了剛才的成本我們還貴好所以這也目前這個我們國產化離岸風電國產化尤其我南部的業者遇到的\n\n7\n00:02:18,490 --> 00:02:41,524\n大到發電廠業變小到機艙灶跟複合材料都需要仰賴國外技術及製程趁勢還要去面對紅色供應鏈的稀產地深入我離岸風電國產化的供應鏈好、困境二、政策雷聲大雨點小我們高雄金屬加工及構建業者信賴中央的產業發展政策投入巨額剛才我講了每一家都數十億一個天車就兩三億\n\n8\n00:02:45,527 --> 00:02:49,970\n那至今這顆粒未收遭到各種理由這個開發商就有很多理由啦來說你是無產制用什麼理由用不適用的規範他用他本身歐洲那種大機組的來說我們國內要跟他一樣我們國內不需要這麼大的一個設備啊\n\n9\n00:03:01,540 --> 00:03:06,706\n二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、\n\n10\n00:03:20,162 --> 00:03:20,442\n我現在的高雄也僅不過占12.8%\n\n11\n00:03:38,700 --> 00:03:44,702\n這國產化哪有弱勢每一家都是數十億以上欸台灣的離岸風電依本席啦我認為台灣的離岸風電是拯救了韓國業的鋼鐵業者然後呢為什麼他能夠這個韓國鋼鐵業能夠跟我們競爭國家全力支持啊港灣提供、設備提供這個包括這個土地提供\n\n12\n00:04:03,462 --> 00:04:26,687\n我們國內通通沒有就業者你自己處理然後據聞現在這次進行是部分的業者也不到韓國了他就到越南採購中國鋼鐵進來國內組裝所以當初經濟部說要組成離岸風電國家對進去東南亞入境高雄的業者我說與其說高雄不如說我中南部的業者哀鴻遍野政策殺人莫勝於此\n\n13\n00:04:28,086 --> 00:04:39,636\n好,我們的維運量人,現在已經進入到維運,已經有將近7年了。我們相關的作業量人都還是聚焦風場的開發跟建置。請問次長,我們的維運規劃在哪裡?目前的283座的風電機組,國內有沒有專業維運的團隊?好,你有沒有維運的規劃?有沒有維運的團隊?人才培訓又在哪裡呢?\n\n14\n00:04:52,102 --> 00:04:56,146\n二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、\n\n15\n00:05:08,277 --> 00:05:09,398\n二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長\n\n16\n00:05:38,537 --> 00:05:40,599\n第二、我們封廠旁邊是臺灣海峽國際航線每日將近300艘的商貨輪的往返。我們又面臨傳統漁場的錯業區域,封機如果發生事故,葉片斷裂,倒塌,人員救援,相關單元是如何因應?\n\n17\n00:06:04,978 --> 00:06:14,708\n第三個最離譜的,業者目前的緊急組織方案是什麼?他就靠我們空勤總隊。好,我就以這個臺中港的這個事件,你說我們的維運。去年在臺中港離岸的第一起,風電的機座平台發現一具男屍。\n\n18\n00:06:25,287 --> 00:06:32,594\n我們沒有定期的固定巡邏人員也沒有規劃這就是沒有人力也沒有整體的規劃所以我這邊具體要求也請次長來回應第一個請經濟部務必認清歐盟向WTO提出國產化的限制意義這個是自由貿易商業競爭的手段\n\n19\n00:06:48,388 --> 00:06:54,693\n要認清楚啊這是我們有心的業者要打擊國內的國產會去到WTO去告狀啊說這個自由貿易這是自由貿易商業手段好沒關係既然國系規則這樣講你自己本國對於國產化當中你就要知道要怎麼因應喔你不能屈服這種有心人的這個打擊本國的這個國產化\n\n20\n00:07:12,068 --> 00:07:17,552\n好,然後所以呢你們說呢這個離岸風電3-3級要鬆綁所以請你們務必考慮國內產業鏈尚在建設當中需要政府的協助我具體建議請經濟部研議後續的輔導措施如統合我情機其經的中小型造船業者他們有技術水下結構的業者這個本身業者也有提供碼頭跟重型設備維運需求者\n\n21\n00:07:39,265 --> 00:07:44,688\n來共同解決離岸風電的維運量能短缺這個是點出來是我們現在都沒有規劃的維運量能第二個考量國內產業發展跟國防工業的自主安全有關離岸風電的複合材料基於排除紅色供應鏈請經濟部產發署務必將機艙罩與鼻椎罩列入MWO禁止大陸進口這是國內有產啊你去問問這個國內的這個複合商業同業公會\n\n22\n00:08:08,883 --> 00:08:16,426\n第三、經濟部就應該就合約的內容．要求離岸風電開發商提出具體維運．這是平時．緊急的處置是什麼．解決方案．來這三個次長具體回答\n\n23\n00:08:21,787 --> 00:08:48,145\n這個第一題我們一定會來研議尤其是要統合基金尤其是高雄地區這些跟離岸風電有關的這些業界我們一定會來做一些研議做處理這部分目前在做第二點我們來討論來研議那第三點我們這個本來就要按照合約要有委員的句話這個在合約上是非常有明確的一個記者這三點都一個月內提出具體方案好嗎好謝謝市長謝謝林鄭\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n117\t4981\t主席,有請次長。請您,次長。\n15906\t37231\t市長本席針對離岸風電國產化的政策政府是缺乏積極的作為那本席也針對這個現存的問題也跟您做一個爬梳離岸風電政策是缺乏整體配套跟統籌各部會各行席次到目前為止都是如此所以也導致我們現在離岸風電國產化\n39031\t44274\t二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長\n61266\t71214\t韓貨輪．這是交通部．國家離岸風電電力人員穩定工業及效益的問題．這是經濟部．環境永續發展及數據監控．這是環境部．缺乏有效的統合、各行其事．我就以高雄為例．我們每一個擴建產業轉型．要來做離岸風電的．每一個都是巨額的投資．每一家都是數十億以上．\n89528\t115047\t好,我們面臨的什麼問題?第一個,港灣條件不足。我們的這個航道深度、船舶迴轉的空間,乃至土地承載力都不足以支撐水下鋼結構的所需。第二個,作業船舶數量跟人力規劃不足,也就是建設跟維運量是嚴重不足。第三個,南北金屬扣建產業的配套失衡。最離譜的是什麼?我高雄生產組裝之後,我運到彰化的成本竟然比\n119631\t128620\t韓國到台北港組裝再到彰化還貴不管南運到中或者是韓國運到北再到彰化我都已經加計了剛才的成本我們還貴好所以這也目前這個我們國產化離岸風電國產化尤其我南部的業者遇到的\n138490\t161524\t大到發電廠業變小到機艙灶跟複合材料都需要仰賴國外技術及製程趁勢還要去面對紅色供應鏈的稀產地深入我離岸風電國產化的供應鏈好、困境二、政策雷聲大雨點小我們高雄金屬加工及構建業者信賴中央的產業發展政策投入巨額剛才我講了每一家都數十億一個天車就兩三億\n165527\t169970\t那至今這顆粒未收遭到各種理由這個開發商就有很多理由啦來說你是無產制用什麼理由用不適用的規範他用他本身歐洲那種大機組的來說我們國內要跟他一樣我們國內不需要這麼大的一個設備啊\n181540\t186706\t二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、\n200162\t200442\t我現在的高雄也僅不過占12.8%\n218700\t224702\t這國產化哪有弱勢每一家都是數十億以上欸台灣的離岸風電依本席啦我認為台灣的離岸風電是拯救了韓國業的鋼鐵業者然後呢為什麼他能夠這個韓國鋼鐵業能夠跟我們競爭國家全力支持啊港灣提供、設備提供這個包括這個土地提供\n243462\t266687\t我們國內通通沒有就業者你自己處理然後據聞現在這次進行是部分的業者也不到韓國了他就到越南採購中國鋼鐵進來國內組裝所以當初經濟部說要組成離岸風電國家對進去東南亞入境高雄的業者我說與其說高雄不如說我中南部的業者哀鴻遍野政策殺人莫勝於此\n268086\t279636\t好,我們的維運量人,現在已經進入到維運,已經有將近7年了。我們相關的作業量人都還是聚焦風場的開發跟建置。請問次長,我們的維運規劃在哪裡?目前的283座的風電機組,國內有沒有專業維運的團隊?好,你有沒有維運的規劃?有沒有維運的團隊?人才培訓又在哪裡呢?\n292102\t296146\t二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、\n308277\t309398\t二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長\n338537\t340599\t第二、我們封廠旁邊是臺灣海峽國際航線每日將近300艘的商貨輪的往返。我們又面臨傳統漁場的錯業區域,封機如果發生事故,葉片斷裂,倒塌,人員救援,相關單元是如何因應?\n364978\t374708\t第三個最離譜的,業者目前的緊急組織方案是什麼?他就靠我們空勤總隊。好,我就以這個臺中港的這個事件,你說我們的維運。去年在臺中港離岸的第一起,風電的機座平台發現一具男屍。\n385287\t392594\t我們沒有定期的固定巡邏人員也沒有規劃這就是沒有人力也沒有整體的規劃所以我這邊具體要求也請次長來回應第一個請經濟部務必認清歐盟向WTO提出國產化的限制意義這個是自由貿易商業競爭的手段\n408388\t414693\t要認清楚啊這是我們有心的業者要打擊國內的國產會去到WTO去告狀啊說這個自由貿易這是自由貿易商業手段好沒關係既然國系規則這樣講你自己本國對於國產化當中你就要知道要怎麼因應喔你不能屈服這種有心人的這個打擊本國的這個國產化\n432068\t437552\t好,然後所以呢你們說呢這個離岸風電3-3級要鬆綁所以請你們務必考慮國內產業鏈尚在建設當中需要政府的協助我具體建議請經濟部研議後續的輔導措施如統合我情機其經的中小型造船業者他們有技術水下結構的業者這個本身業者也有提供碼頭跟重型設備維運需求者\n459265\t464688\t來共同解決離岸風電的維運量能短缺這個是點出來是我們現在都沒有規劃的維運量能第二個考量國內產業發展跟國防工業的自主安全有關離岸風電的複合材料基於排除紅色供應鏈請經濟部產發署務必將機艙罩與鼻椎罩列入MWO禁止大陸進口這是國內有產啊你去問問這個國內的這個複合商業同業公會\n488883\t496426\t第三、經濟部就應該就合約的內容．要求離岸風電開發商提出具體維運．這是平時．緊急的處置是什麼．解決方案．來這三個次長具體回答\n501787\t528145\t這個第一題我們一定會來研議尤其是要統合基金尤其是高雄地區這些跟離岸風電有關的這些業界我們一定會來做一些研議做處理這部分目前在做第二點我們來討論來研議那第三點我們這個本來就要按照合約要有委員的句話這個在合約上是非常有明確的一個記者這三點都一個月內提出具體方案好嗎好謝謝市長謝謝林鄭\n","txt":"主席,有請次長。請您,次長。\n市長本席針對離岸風電國產化的政策政府是缺乏積極的作為那本席也針對這個現存的問題也跟您做一個爬梳離岸風電政策是缺乏整體配套跟統籌各部會各行席次到目前為止都是如此所以也導致我們現在離岸風電國產化\n二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長\n韓貨輪．這是交通部．國家離岸風電電力人員穩定工業及效益的問題．這是經濟部．環境永續發展及數據監控．這是環境部．缺乏有效的統合、各行其事．我就以高雄為例．我們每一個擴建產業轉型．要來做離岸風電的．每一個都是巨額的投資．每一家都是數十億以上．\n好,我們面臨的什麼問題?第一個,港灣條件不足。我們的這個航道深度、船舶迴轉的空間,乃至土地承載力都不足以支撐水下鋼結構的所需。第二個,作業船舶數量跟人力規劃不足,也就是建設跟維運量是嚴重不足。第三個,南北金屬扣建產業的配套失衡。最離譜的是什麼?我高雄生產組裝之後,我運到彰化的成本竟然比\n韓國到台北港組裝再到彰化還貴不管南運到中或者是韓國運到北再到彰化我都已經加計了剛才的成本我們還貴好所以這也目前這個我們國產化離岸風電國產化尤其我南部的業者遇到的\n大到發電廠業變小到機艙灶跟複合材料都需要仰賴國外技術及製程趁勢還要去面對紅色供應鏈的稀產地深入我離岸風電國產化的供應鏈好、困境二、政策雷聲大雨點小我們高雄金屬加工及構建業者信賴中央的產業發展政策投入巨額剛才我講了每一家都數十億一個天車就兩三億\n那至今這顆粒未收遭到各種理由這個開發商就有很多理由啦來說你是無產制用什麼理由用不適用的規範他用他本身歐洲那種大機組的來說我們國內要跟他一樣我們國內不需要這麼大的一個設備啊\n二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、\n我現在的高雄也僅不過占12.8%\n這國產化哪有弱勢每一家都是數十億以上欸台灣的離岸風電依本席啦我認為台灣的離岸風電是拯救了韓國業的鋼鐵業者然後呢為什麼他能夠這個韓國鋼鐵業能夠跟我們競爭國家全力支持啊港灣提供、設備提供這個包括這個土地提供\n我們國內通通沒有就業者你自己處理然後據聞現在這次進行是部分的業者也不到韓國了他就到越南採購中國鋼鐵進來國內組裝所以當初經濟部說要組成離岸風電國家對進去東南亞入境高雄的業者我說與其說高雄不如說我中南部的業者哀鴻遍野政策殺人莫勝於此\n好,我們的維運量人,現在已經進入到維運,已經有將近7年了。我們相關的作業量人都還是聚焦風場的開發跟建置。請問次長,我們的維運規劃在哪裡?目前的283座的風電機組,國內有沒有專業維運的團隊?好,你有沒有維運的規劃?有沒有維運的團隊?人才培訓又在哪裡呢?\n二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、\n二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長\n第二、我們封廠旁邊是臺灣海峽國際航線每日將近300艘的商貨輪的往返。我們又面臨傳統漁場的錯業區域,封機如果發生事故,葉片斷裂,倒塌,人員救援,相關單元是如何因應?\n第三個最離譜的,業者目前的緊急組織方案是什麼?他就靠我們空勤總隊。好,我就以這個臺中港的這個事件,你說我們的維運。去年在臺中港離岸的第一起,風電的機座平台發現一具男屍。\n我們沒有定期的固定巡邏人員也沒有規劃這就是沒有人力也沒有整體的規劃所以我這邊具體要求也請次長來回應第一個請經濟部務必認清歐盟向WTO提出國產化的限制意義這個是自由貿易商業競爭的手段\n要認清楚啊這是我們有心的業者要打擊國內的國產會去到WTO去告狀啊說這個自由貿易這是自由貿易商業手段好沒關係既然國系規則這樣講你自己本國對於國產化當中你就要知道要怎麼因應喔你不能屈服這種有心人的這個打擊本國的這個國產化\n好,然後所以呢你們說呢這個離岸風電3-3級要鬆綁所以請你們務必考慮國內產業鏈尚在建設當中需要政府的協助我具體建議請經濟部研議後續的輔導措施如統合我情機其經的中小型造船業者他們有技術水下結構的業者這個本身業者也有提供碼頭跟重型設備維運需求者\n來共同解決離岸風電的維運量能短缺這個是點出來是我們現在都沒有規劃的維運量能第二個考量國內產業發展跟國防工業的自主安全有關離岸風電的複合材料基於排除紅色供應鏈請經濟部產發署務必將機艙罩與鼻椎罩列入MWO禁止大陸進口這是國內有產啊你去問問這個國內的這個複合商業同業公會\n第三、經濟部就應該就合約的內容．要求離岸風電開發商提出具體維運．這是平時．緊急的處置是什麼．解決方案．來這三個次長具體回答\n這個第一題我們一定會來研議尤其是要統合基金尤其是高雄地區這些跟離岸風電有關的這些業界我們一定會來做一些研議做處理這部分目前在做第二點我們來討論來研議那第三點我們這個本來就要按照合約要有委員的句話這個在合約上是非常有明確的一個記者這三點都一個月內提出具體方案好嗎好謝謝市長謝謝林鄭\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.117 --> 00:04.981\n主席,有請次長。請您,次長。\n\n00:15.906 --> 00:37.231\n市長本席針對離岸風電國產化的政策政府是缺乏積極的作為那本席也針對這個現存的問題也跟您做一個爬梳離岸風電政策是缺乏整體配套跟統籌各部會各行席次到目前為止都是如此所以也導致我們現在離岸風電國產化\n\n00:39.031 --> 00:44.274\n二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長\n\n01:01.266 --> 01:11.214\n韓貨輪．這是交通部．國家離岸風電電力人員穩定工業及效益的問題．這是經濟部．環境永續發展及數據監控．這是環境部．缺乏有效的統合、各行其事．我就以高雄為例．我們每一個擴建產業轉型．要來做離岸風電的．每一個都是巨額的投資．每一家都是數十億以上．\n\n01:29.528 --> 01:55.047\n好,我們面臨的什麼問題?第一個,港灣條件不足。我們的這個航道深度、船舶迴轉的空間,乃至土地承載力都不足以支撐水下鋼結構的所需。第二個,作業船舶數量跟人力規劃不足,也就是建設跟維運量是嚴重不足。第三個,南北金屬扣建產業的配套失衡。最離譜的是什麼?我高雄生產組裝之後,我運到彰化的成本竟然比\n\n01:59.631 --> 02:08.620\n韓國到台北港組裝再到彰化還貴不管南運到中或者是韓國運到北再到彰化我都已經加計了剛才的成本我們還貴好所以這也目前這個我們國產化離岸風電國產化尤其我南部的業者遇到的\n\n02:18.490 --> 02:41.524\n大到發電廠業變小到機艙灶跟複合材料都需要仰賴國外技術及製程趁勢還要去面對紅色供應鏈的稀產地深入我離岸風電國產化的供應鏈好、困境二、政策雷聲大雨點小我們高雄金屬加工及構建業者信賴中央的產業發展政策投入巨額剛才我講了每一家都數十億一個天車就兩三億\n\n02:45.527 --> 02:49.970\n那至今這顆粒未收遭到各種理由這個開發商就有很多理由啦來說你是無產制用什麼理由用不適用的規範他用他本身歐洲那種大機組的來說我們國內要跟他一樣我們國內不需要這麼大的一個設備啊\n\n03:01.540 --> 03:06.706\n二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、\n\n03:20.162 --> 03:20.442\n我現在的高雄也僅不過占12.8%\n\n03:38.700 --> 03:44.702\n這國產化哪有弱勢每一家都是數十億以上欸台灣的離岸風電依本席啦我認為台灣的離岸風電是拯救了韓國業的鋼鐵業者然後呢為什麼他能夠這個韓國鋼鐵業能夠跟我們競爭國家全力支持啊港灣提供、設備提供這個包括這個土地提供\n\n04:03.462 --> 04:26.687\n我們國內通通沒有就業者你自己處理然後據聞現在這次進行是部分的業者也不到韓國了他就到越南採購中國鋼鐵進來國內組裝所以當初經濟部說要組成離岸風電國家對進去東南亞入境高雄的業者我說與其說高雄不如說我中南部的業者哀鴻遍野政策殺人莫勝於此\n\n04:28.086 --> 04:39.636\n好,我們的維運量人,現在已經進入到維運,已經有將近7年了。我們相關的作業量人都還是聚焦風場的開發跟建置。請問次長,我們的維運規劃在哪裡?目前的283座的風電機組,國內有沒有專業維運的團隊?好,你有沒有維運的規劃?有沒有維運的團隊?人才培訓又在哪裡呢?\n\n04:52.102 --> 04:56.146\n二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、\n\n05:08.277 --> 05:09.398\n二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長\n\n05:38.537 --> 05:40.599\n第二、我們封廠旁邊是臺灣海峽國際航線每日將近300艘的商貨輪的往返。我們又面臨傳統漁場的錯業區域,封機如果發生事故,葉片斷裂,倒塌,人員救援,相關單元是如何因應?\n\n06:04.978 --> 06:14.708\n第三個最離譜的,業者目前的緊急組織方案是什麼?他就靠我們空勤總隊。好,我就以這個臺中港的這個事件,你說我們的維運。去年在臺中港離岸的第一起,風電的機座平台發現一具男屍。\n\n06:25.287 --> 06:32.594\n我們沒有定期的固定巡邏人員也沒有規劃這就是沒有人力也沒有整體的規劃所以我這邊具體要求也請次長來回應第一個請經濟部務必認清歐盟向WTO提出國產化的限制意義這個是自由貿易商業競爭的手段\n\n06:48.388 --> 06:54.693\n要認清楚啊這是我們有心的業者要打擊國內的國產會去到WTO去告狀啊說這個自由貿易這是自由貿易商業手段好沒關係既然國系規則這樣講你自己本國對於國產化當中你就要知道要怎麼因應喔你不能屈服這種有心人的這個打擊本國的這個國產化\n\n07:12.068 --> 07:17.552\n好,然後所以呢你們說呢這個離岸風電3-3級要鬆綁所以請你們務必考慮國內產業鏈尚在建設當中需要政府的協助我具體建議請經濟部研議後續的輔導措施如統合我情機其經的中小型造船業者他們有技術水下結構的業者這個本身業者也有提供碼頭跟重型設備維運需求者\n\n07:39.265 --> 07:44.688\n來共同解決離岸風電的維運量能短缺這個是點出來是我們現在都沒有規劃的維運量能第二個考量國內產業發展跟國防工業的自主安全有關離岸風電的複合材料基於排除紅色供應鏈請經濟部產發署務必將機艙罩與鼻椎罩列入MWO禁止大陸進口這是國內有產啊你去問問這個國內的這個複合商業同業公會\n\n08:08.883 --> 08:16.426\n第三、經濟部就應該就合約的內容．要求離岸風電開發商提出具體維運．這是平時．緊急的處置是什麼．解決方案．來這三個次長具體回答\n\n08:21.787 --> 08:48.145\n這個第一題我們一定會來研議尤其是要統合基金尤其是高雄地區這些跟離岸風電有關的這些業界我們一定會來做一些研議做處理這部分目前在做第二點我們來討論來研議那第三點我們這個本來就要按照合約要有委員的句話這個在合約上是非常有明確的一個記者這三點都一個月內提出具體方案好嗎好謝謝市長謝謝林鄭\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.117,"end":4.981,"text":"主席,有請次長。請您,次長。"},{"start":15.906,"end":37.231,"text":"市長本席針對離岸風電國產化的政策政府是缺乏積極的作為那本席也針對這個現存的問題也跟您做一個爬梳離岸風電政策是缺乏整體配套跟統籌各部會各行席次到目前為止都是如此所以也導致我們現在離岸風電國產化"},{"start":39.031,"end":44.274,"text":"二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長"},{"start":61.266,"end":71.214,"text":"韓貨輪．這是交通部．國家離岸風電電力人員穩定工業及效益的問題．這是經濟部．環境永續發展及數據監控．這是環境部．缺乏有效的統合、各行其事．我就以高雄為例．我們每一個擴建產業轉型．要來做離岸風電的．每一個都是巨額的投資．每一家都是數十億以上．"},{"start":89.528,"end":115.047,"text":"好,我們面臨的什麼問題?第一個,港灣條件不足。我們的這個航道深度、船舶迴轉的空間,乃至土地承載力都不足以支撐水下鋼結構的所需。第二個,作業船舶數量跟人力規劃不足,也就是建設跟維運量是嚴重不足。第三個,南北金屬扣建產業的配套失衡。最離譜的是什麼?我高雄生產組裝之後,我運到彰化的成本竟然比"},{"start":119.631,"end":128.62,"text":"韓國到台北港組裝再到彰化還貴不管南運到中或者是韓國運到北再到彰化我都已經加計了剛才的成本我們還貴好所以這也目前這個我們國產化離岸風電國產化尤其我南部的業者遇到的"},{"start":138.49,"end":161.524,"text":"大到發電廠業變小到機艙灶跟複合材料都需要仰賴國外技術及製程趁勢還要去面對紅色供應鏈的稀產地深入我離岸風電國產化的供應鏈好、困境二、政策雷聲大雨點小我們高雄金屬加工及構建業者信賴中央的產業發展政策投入巨額剛才我講了每一家都數十億一個天車就兩三億"},{"start":165.527,"end":169.97,"text":"那至今這顆粒未收遭到各種理由這個開發商就有很多理由啦來說你是無產制用什麼理由用不適用的規範他用他本身歐洲那種大機組的來說我們國內要跟他一樣我們國內不需要這麼大的一個設備啊"},{"start":181.54,"end":186.706,"text":"二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、"},{"start":200.162,"end":200.442,"text":"我現在的高雄也僅不過占12.8%"},{"start":218.7,"end":224.702,"text":"這國產化哪有弱勢每一家都是數十億以上欸台灣的離岸風電依本席啦我認為台灣的離岸風電是拯救了韓國業的鋼鐵業者然後呢為什麼他能夠這個韓國鋼鐵業能夠跟我們競爭國家全力支持啊港灣提供、設備提供這個包括這個土地提供"},{"start":243.462,"end":266.687,"text":"我們國內通通沒有就業者你自己處理然後據聞現在這次進行是部分的業者也不到韓國了他就到越南採購中國鋼鐵進來國內組裝所以當初經濟部說要組成離岸風電國家對進去東南亞入境高雄的業者我說與其說高雄不如說我中南部的業者哀鴻遍野政策殺人莫勝於此"},{"start":268.086,"end":279.636,"text":"好,我們的維運量人,現在已經進入到維運,已經有將近7年了。我們相關的作業量人都還是聚焦風場的開發跟建置。請問次長,我們的維運規劃在哪裡?目前的283座的風電機組,國內有沒有專業維運的團隊?好,你有沒有維運的規劃?有沒有維運的團隊?人才培訓又在哪裡呢?"},{"start":292.102,"end":296.146,"text":"二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、"},{"start":308.277,"end":309.398,"text":"二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長、財政部首長"},{"start":338.537,"end":340.599,"text":"第二、我們封廠旁邊是臺灣海峽國際航線每日將近300艘的商貨輪的往返。我們又面臨傳統漁場的錯業區域,封機如果發生事故,葉片斷裂,倒塌,人員救援,相關單元是如何因應?"},{"start":364.978,"end":374.708,"text":"第三個最離譜的,業者目前的緊急組織方案是什麼?他就靠我們空勤總隊。好,我就以這個臺中港的這個事件,你說我們的維運。去年在臺中港離岸的第一起,風電的機座平台發現一具男屍。"},{"start":385.287,"end":392.594,"text":"我們沒有定期的固定巡邏人員也沒有規劃這就是沒有人力也沒有整體的規劃所以我這邊具體要求也請次長來回應第一個請經濟部務必認清歐盟向WTO提出國產化的限制意義這個是自由貿易商業競爭的手段"},{"start":408.388,"end":414.693,"text":"要認清楚啊這是我們有心的業者要打擊國內的國產會去到WTO去告狀啊說這個自由貿易這是自由貿易商業手段好沒關係既然國系規則這樣講你自己本國對於國產化當中你就要知道要怎麼因應喔你不能屈服這種有心人的這個打擊本國的這個國產化"},{"start":432.068,"end":437.552,"text":"好,然後所以呢你們說呢這個離岸風電3-3級要鬆綁所以請你們務必考慮國內產業鏈尚在建設當中需要政府的協助我具體建議請經濟部研議後續的輔導措施如統合我情機其經的中小型造船業者他們有技術水下結構的業者這個本身業者也有提供碼頭跟重型設備維運需求者"},{"start":459.265,"end":464.688,"text":"來共同解決離岸風電的維運量能短缺這個是點出來是我們現在都沒有規劃的維運量能第二個考量國內產業發展跟國防工業的自主安全有關離岸風電的複合材料基於排除紅色供應鏈請經濟部產發署務必將機艙罩與鼻椎罩列入MWO禁止大陸進口這是國內有產啊你去問問這個國內的這個複合商業同業公會"},{"start":488.883,"end":496.426,"text":"第三、經濟部就應該就合約的內容．要求離岸風電開發商提出具體維運．這是平時．緊急的處置是什麼．解決方案．來這三個次長具體回答"},{"start":501.787,"end":528.145,"text":"這個第一題我們一定會來研議尤其是要統合基金尤其是高雄地區這些跟離岸風電有關的這些業界我們一定會來做一些研議做處理這部分目前在做第二點我們來討論來研議那第三點我們這個本來就要按照合約要有委員的句話這個在合約上是非常有明確的一個記者這三點都一個月內提出具體方案好嗎好謝謝市長謝謝林鄭"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":101,"blocks":[["林委員岱樺：（9時15分）主席，有請次長。"],["主席：請連次長。"],["連次長錦漳：委員好。"],["林委員岱樺：針對離岸風電國產化政策政府缺乏積極作為，本席首先要針對現存問題跟次長做個爬梳：離岸風電政策缺乏整體配套及統籌，各部會各行其事，到目前為止都是如此，這也導致我們現在離岸風電國產化根本就是沒有執行。像我們缺乏船舶提供的建設、運輸及維運服務，包括船舶規劃和人力養成，這是經濟部和勞動部啊！傳統漁民漁場作業權益與安全是農業部；臺灣西側國際航道的航行安全，每天有將近300艘商貨輪，這是交通部；國家離岸風電電力能源穩定供應問題及效益問題是經濟部；環境永續發展及數據監控是環境部。","缺乏有效統合、各行其事，我就以高雄為例，我們的扣件產業轉型要來做離岸風電，每一個都是巨額投資，每一家的投資金額都在數十億以上。結果面臨了什麼問題？第一個是港灣條件不足，我們的航道深度、船舶迴轉空間，乃至土地承載力都不足以支撐水下鋼結構之所需。第二個是作業船舶數量、人力規劃不足，也就是建設與維運量能嚴重不足。第三個是南、北金屬扣件產業配套失衡，最離譜的是由高雄生產組裝後，運送到彰化的成本，竟然比韓國到臺北港組裝後再運送到彰化還貴，不管南運到中，或者是韓國運到北，再到彰化，我都已經加計了鋼材的成本，我們的還是貴！所以目前離岸風電國產化，尤其我們南部業者遇到的，大到發電機、葉片等，小到機艙罩與複合材料，都需要仰賴國外技術及製程，甚至還要面對紅色供應鏈的洗產地滲入離岸風電國產化供應鏈。","困境二是政策雷聲大、雨點小。我們高雄金屬加工及扣件業者信賴中央產業發展政策，投入巨額資金，剛才我講了，每一家都數十億，一個天車就兩、三億，迄今卻顆粒未收，遭開發商以各種理由來說我們沒有產值。開發商用什麼理由？包括「不適用規範」，它用歐洲那種大機組來說我們國內也要跟它一樣，可是我們國內不需要這麼大的設備啊！第二個是「極短的交期」，本來要15個月的製程，它居然要求國內業者6到9個月完成。以這兩個最重要的理由就說我們國內無產值，拒絕中南部業者參與離岸風電國產化。","第二期完成的283座基座當中，只有22座為高雄生產。國產化的整體目標是60%，就算用假平等、對半，北部30%、南部30%好了，這是假平等，但高雄現在也只不過占12.8%。這樣國產化哪有落實？每一家的投資都是數十億以上耶！依本席之見，臺灣的離岸風電是拯救了韓國的鋼鐵業！為什麼韓國的鋼鐵業能夠跟我們競爭？他們國家全力支持啊，不只港灣提供、設備提供，土地也提供，我們國內統統沒有，都是業者自己處理！據聞現在進行式是，部分業者也不到韓國了，它就到越南採購中國鋼鐵，進來國內組裝。所以當初經濟部說要組成離岸風電國家隊進軍東南亞，如今高雄業者……與其說高雄，不如說我中南部業者，哀鴻遍野，政策殺人莫甚於此！","我們的維運量能，現在已經將近7年了，相關的作業量能都還聚焦在風場開發與建置，請問次長：我們的維運規劃在哪裡？目前的283座風電機組，國內有沒有專業維運團隊？你們有沒有維運的規劃、有沒有維運的團隊？人才培訓又在哪裡呢？","我們缺乏維運量能，導致妥善率低落，因此發電效益落差就大。去年離岸風電的發電效益是三成，今天說我們到目前為止可以達到九成，落差實在太大了！為什麼？就是我們沒有維運啊！我舉三個案件就好，這個都是媒體公布的喔，都有案件發生。第一個是去年我們批評台電，說發電效率低，結果這真的是台電的問題嗎？不是台電的問題啊！它一個2萬噸類似引擎的發電相關設備從去年訂貨就放在港區，裝不上去，因為沒有船啊！我們沒有營運規劃啊！這個船的提供難道是台電本身的工作嗎？不是啊！第二個，我們風場旁邊就是臺灣海峽國際航線，每日有將近300艘的商貨輪往返，又面臨傳統漁場的作業區域，風機若發生事故，如葉片斷裂、倒塌、人員救援等狀況，相關單位是如何因應？第三個是最離譜的，業者目前的緊急處置方案是什麼？就靠我們的空勤總隊。","好，我就以臺中港的事件為例來說明我們的維運狀況，去年在臺中港離岸風電第一期的基座平臺發現一具男屍，我們沒有定期巡邏，人員也沒有規劃，就是既沒有人力，也沒有整體的規劃。","最後我具體要求，請次長回應：第一個，請經濟部務必認清歐盟向WTO提出國產化限制異議，這個是自由貿易商業競爭的手段，要認清楚啊！這是我們有心的業者要打擊國內的國產業去WTO告狀啊！說這個是自由貿易，這是自由貿易的商業手段。好，沒關係，既然國際規則這樣講，你自己、本國對於國產化就該知道要怎麼因應，不能屈服於這種有心人對本國國產化的打擊。所以你們說離岸風電3-3期要鬆綁，請你們務必考慮國內產業鏈尚在建置當中，需要政府協助。","我具體建議，請經濟部研議後續輔導措施，如：統合我旗津中小型造船業者（他們有技術）、水下結構業者（業者本身有提供碼頭和重型設備）、維運需求者，來共同解決離岸風電維運量能短缺問題。我點出來的是我們現在都沒有規劃的維運量能。第二個，考量國內產業發展及國防工業自主安全，有關離岸風機之複合材料，基於排除紅色供應鏈，請經濟部產發署務必將機艙罩與鼻錐罩列入「MW0」，禁止自大陸進口。這是國內有產的啊，你去問問國內的複合材料同業公會！第三，經濟部應就合約內容，要求離岸風電開發商提出平時的具體維運及緊急處置解決方案。以上三個，請次長具體回答。"],["連次長錦漳：第一題我們一定會來研議，尤其是要統合旗津、高雄地區這些跟離岸風電有關的業界，我們一定會來做一些研議、處理，這部分我們目前正在做。關於第二點，我們來討論、來研議。第三點，我們本來就要按照合約，要有維運計畫，這在合約上有非常明確的記載。"],["林委員岱樺：好，這三點都在一個月內提出具體方案，好嗎？"],["連次長錦漳：好。"],["林委員岱樺：謝謝，謝謝次長。"],["主席：謝謝林岱樺委員，次長請回座。","下一位質詢請邱議瑩委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":52,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-19-7","speakers":["邱志偉","林岱樺","邱議瑩","楊瓊瓔","張嘉郡","張啓楷","謝衣鳯","呂玉玲","陳亭妃","鄭天財Sra 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