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{\"word\": \"個\"}, {\"word\": \"部\", \"start\": 802.916, \"end\": 803.116, \"score\": 0.9}, {\"word\": \"分\", \"start\": 803.116, \"end\": 803.136, \"score\": 0.0}, {\"word\": \"。\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:11,935 --> 00:00:12,215\n委員長下一張\n\n2\n00:00:27,276 --> 00:00:51,345\n謝謝部長早安不好意思對我們看一下剛剛已經有非常多委員提到了毒品已經奪走我們許多員警或者是無辜的生命包括在路上行走的路人那最重要的關鍵就是說現在新興毒品它很複雜電子煙是你要管的但是毒品又是別人要管的那電子煙只是一個載具嘛\n\n3\n00:00:52,105 --> 00:01:17,272\n好這個匯報呢是我們卓院長上任以後也是您上任以後第一個很大規模的這個毒品防制匯報喔不管是院長、副院長、秘書長還有兩位這個政務委員全部都到齊了可是你看那一天我們的缺席率是六成這麼多人找代理那再來司法院的廳長是直接NOSHOW欸好那我想問一下\n\n4\n00:01:20,526 --> 00:01:43,994\n您有多重視這個議題啊因為你那天也沒有出現但是那一天的會議你們通過了未來四年第三期即將投入150億的新世代反毒政策行動綱領剛在六月核定喔你們通過了這麼一大筆錢結果有六成的人缺席所以你們的橫向串聯怎麼可能會做得好呢\n\n5\n00:01:45,782 --> 00:02:13,011\n好,我想毒品防治匯報這個是持續的,已經35次了那它的很多的計畫應該是持續性一直在討論才會有當天的一個計畫的核定那我想這個都是一直持續在做的那我們大概都也是由本部也是由主責的主責實驗室的製造下次會到了\n\n6\n00:02:15,974 --> 00:02:15,994\n市長\n\n7\n00:02:42,410 --> 00:03:05,552\n委員好跟委員報告這個二級毒品我們在禮拜一已經發函徵詢各機關在收集資料因為我們6月份才通過依托米子為三級毒品那短短幾個月要把它提升為二級毒品當然這個我們要收集資料完了之後我們預計在下個月底或者12月初會開毒品審議委會來檢討\n\n8\n00:03:07,574 --> 00:03:21,868\n好那我們看一下這個圖片因為第一線的員警有跟我反應他們在做盤查的時候發現有些人開車很奇怪所以高度懷疑他是依託就吸了這個喪屍煙彈結果抓到的人也承認\n\n9\n00:03:23,089 --> 00:03:49,021\n可是如果你們有這個衛福部部長不知道知不知道他們在查氣比如說安非他命他遠景的檢驗會馬上變色這個從透明的變成接近紅色可是你看這個查衣脫米紙你看得出來他陰性跟陽性很難分如果你是在晚上又更難分因此那天呢這個遠景只好放他走了因為他最後驗出來可能看起來像是陰性\n\n10\n00:03:50,161 --> 00:03:58,526\n什麼時候我們這個檢驗設備才能夠一致性、可以完善、可以讓第一線的人員擁有好的武器?如果有這樣的一個擔心,我想我們應該在毒品審議委員會裡面才提出來。\n\n11\n00:04:13,444 --> 00:04:14,445\n請莊署長看看有沒有如何改善\n\n12\n00:04:25,117 --> 00:04:47,575\n報告委員,因為我們在鹽檢組其實可以是做這個的檢驗,那我們也有檢驗的方法,對,但是因為我們那個檢驗沒有辦法在on-site做這個,它這個是一個kit,馬上當場看,那我們通常在送回鹽檢組做的那個東西都會比較時間會延後,包括它從它的樣品,但是那個方法我們是有,\n\n13\n00:04:48,055 --> 00:05:08,500\n所以這個方法您要不要跟內政部一起討論一下他們怎麼樣可以做好一個有效率的對因為我想因為這個是他現場警員他去抓著看的時候他是用一個快篩機那在食藥署事上我們是做的我們都會送回嚴監處有實驗室的方法去做\n\n14\n00:05:08,740 --> 00:05:22,055\n他現在沒有辦法把他帶回去他沒有辦法用你的那個方法那我們這個可能再跟內政部、刑事警察局都可以再實驗一次\n\n15\n00:05:23,848 --> 00:05:39,374\n內政部刑事警察局他也可以做跟我們類似完全一樣的檢驗那我知道委員現在是說如果怎麼去開發這個快篩劑比較有效的對這樣我們這個會跟他們一起討論這個你知道嗎跟其他的毒品比起來他第一線的快篩非常的模糊啊\n\n16\n00:05:40,394 --> 00:06:00,269\n我想這個相當重要,我們已經去研發,去跟廠商看看能不能更清楚,因為常常抓到的時候天色是比較暗的,你這也要讓他們很清楚。那我也可能會請你們一個月內提供報告給我,到時候要怎麼幫第一線的這些執勤的人員改善他們的配備,不然他們怎麼抓?\n\n17\n00:06:01,303 --> 00:06:20,012\n好,如果改善這個KID的一個鑑別度。好,下一個部長,其實等一下你,如果沒有遇到你上來的時候,你也繼續在社群媒體上找找看。現在啊,喪屍煙彈網路上還是隨隨便便,都有一大堆可以買得到,這個剛剛也很多委員問到了啦。\n\n18\n00:06:21,838 --> 00:06:38,689\n從我們之前討論這個兒少私密片等等外流你已經講了其實主席我們今天好像也需要找數位部來感覺你們對於不管是毒品、電子煙、加熱煙等等還有等一下我要討論的你們對於這件事情都束手無策\n\n19\n00:06:40,421 --> 00:07:08,057\n你是不是至少也發個函給這些搜尋網站請他們配合把這些都關閉掉報告委員這個跟社群網站的部分國民健康署是定期跟這個業者來召開會議那大概是每一季會開一次會議而且我們建立一個綠色通道就彼此在這個keywords上面或是一些關鍵圖片上面做一些彼此的交換\n\n20\n00:07:08,677 --> 00:07:10,258\n國建署也在這個過程中多次的拜訪幾家比較嚴肅的業者或者是幾家有進步的業者把進步業者的經驗提供給還是持續有在刊登的這些業者所以這件事情是我們很加強力道在跟社群業者來溝通的\n\n21\n00:07:29,671 --> 00:07:50,872\n因為您今天給的報告就是說你們從112年3月開始加強查緝但是如果部長我跟你一起來做一個網路直播啊我們可以跟一般的人民說你這個衛福部今年1到9月只裁罰了539件平均一天不到兩件你看看下面的留言會怎麼告訴你\n\n22\n00:07:52,874 --> 00:08:09,775\n剛也已經其他委員講過了你跟電子煙應該要比喪屍煙彈更多然後呢喪屍煙彈查到的違法是你們的兩倍如果行政院我們辦一個這個成果發表會的話衛福部這樣子是很難看的\n\n23\n00:08:13,868 --> 00:08:32,176\n對所以那個部長這邊也有指導我們在這個查緝的力道上面要再更加強但是因為我們跟這個法務部不一樣的是淹害防治它有一定的行政程序但我們已經知道要加快這個數字這個可能等一下有很多委員會也會在一個月內針對我們這個提出檢討報告那這邊\n\n24\n00:08:36,958 --> 00:09:00,635\n這個是你們總統府的顧問黃金順寫的文章他說台灣一年吞掉11顆鎮定安眠藥那其中有10名失眠的人是有4位是靠史蒂諾斯住眠這個主席跟部長都應該很熟悉這樣子的藥物好根據藥事法根據毒品危害防治條例都不可以隨便在網路上買賣剛剛你們有說定期都會開這樣子的會這個網站\n\n25\n00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:05,800\n陳菁徽\n\n26\n00:09:34,773 --> 00:09:53,194\n所以要怎麼解決?跟委員報告這個事情我們對這個Stainless這個藥品我想最初的時候是由這個網站它去做它其實不是原廠公司的\n\n27\n00:09:54,377 --> 00:09:59,141\n對,因為他是國外嘛,又回到跟之前一樣的問題啦,兒少性剝削一樣的問題啦。\n\n28\n00:10:14,093 --> 00:10:30,726\n報告委員後來我們有跟那個Google也有跟那個Microsoft去談這件事情那因為主要的原因是這些網站是在國外而且因為這兩家公平台都是在外面都是在國外那我們現在跟他的管道是這樣如果我們有查到的\n\n29\n00:10:32,048 --> 00:10:52,087\n我必須說您還蠻幸運的因為這個媒體披露他們把它買回來嘛結果分析了以後是褪黑技術如果是別的東西危害的毒品那真的就完蛋了這個我們現在還在跟台灣自己的網站我們現在只要有查到我們就會馬上請大家\n\n30\n00:10:55,631 --> 00:11:13,531\n史蒂諾斯網站成立一年多,你們到現在還沒辦法關閉其他各種安眠藥網路上也都買得到,還有包括比如說社會新聞常看到FM2等等的這些可能你們這個審議會議一定要務必要好好的討論一下好嗎?是\n\n31\n00:11:14,832 --> 00:11:33,168\n最後一個問題希望很快把它帶過但是非常的重要今年已經有兩位小學生一個小五一個小六自殺身亡這個是你們112年自殺防治中心的成果報告你看紅線是15到24歲\n\n32\n00:11:37,011 --> 00:11:46,056\n這個藍線是14歲以下這兩個曲線是爆炸性的成長通報的速度也是異常的快部長這部分你有掌握到嗎這個我們有瞭解到這種現象\n\n33\n00:11:54,473 --> 00:12:02,362\n好這邊再給你看另外一個圖比較遺憾的是你看到他通報日就是死亡日0到14歲是73.7%15到19歲是63.8%對比我們下面這些25到35歲之間的人\n\n34\n00:12:12,293 --> 00:12:38,676\n很難很難在通報前就被我們發現而且做介入好最後給你一個實質的建議這是賴清德競選總統的時候他曾經提出來的他說他希望可以年輕族群心理支持方案向下延伸到小學因為這個方案是你們部裡面滿意度極高的方案他希望可以往下延伸或者是甚至擴大等等的這個名團你知道是誰嗎\n\n35\n00:12:42,011 --> 00:12:50,706\n民團就是林月琴委員,剛剛的林月琴委員,所以你覺得這方面你有沒有辦法嚴你提出方案?\n\n36\n00:12:53,634 --> 00:13:21,381\n報告委員我們原來是15到30現在已經延伸到45那這個部分就由衛福部來主責那這個在健康臺灣裡面也列為非常重要的一點那我們也會以教育部來推展SEL的一個小學就開始有一個更好的心理素質那有關於小學這個部分是教育部在主責我們會跟他來合作\n\n37\n00:13:22,155 --> 00:13:23,136\n來看看怎麼加強這個部分。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11935\t12215\t委員長下一張\n27276\t51345\t謝謝部長早安不好意思對我們看一下剛剛已經有非常多委員提到了毒品已經奪走我們許多員警或者是無辜的生命包括在路上行走的路人那最重要的關鍵就是說現在新興毒品它很複雜電子煙是你要管的但是毒品又是別人要管的那電子煙只是一個載具嘛\n52105\t77272\t好 這個匯報呢是我們卓院長上任以後也是您上任以後第一個很大規模的這個毒品防制匯報喔不管是院長、副院長、秘書長還有兩位這個政務委員全部都到齊了可是你看那一天我們的缺席率是六成這麼多人找代理那再來司法院的廳長是直接NO SHOW欸好 那我想問一下\n80526\t103994\t您有多重視這個議題啊因為你那天也沒有出現但是那一天的會議你們通過了未來四年第三期即將投入150億的新世代反毒政策行動綱領剛在六月核定喔你們通過了這麼一大筆錢結果有六成的人缺席所以你們的橫向串聯怎麼可能會做得好呢\n105782\t133011\t好,我想毒品防治匯報這個是持續的,已經35次了那它的很多的計畫應該是持續性一直在討論才會有當天的一個計畫的核定那我想這個都是一直持續在做的那我們大概都也是由本部也是由主責的主責實驗室的製造下次會到了\n135974\t135994\t市長\n162410\t185552\t委員好 跟委員報告這個二級毒品我們在禮拜一已經發函徵詢各機關在收集資料因為我們6月份才通過依托米子為三級毒品那短短幾個月要把它提升為二級毒品當然這個我們要收集資料完了之後我們預計在下個月底或者12月初會開毒品審議委會來檢討\n187574\t201868\t好 那我們看一下這個圖片因為第一線的員警有跟我反應他們在做盤查的時候發現有些人開車很奇怪所以高度懷疑他是依託就吸了這個喪屍煙彈結果抓到的人也承認\n203089\t229021\t可是如果你們有這個衛福部部長不知道知不知道他們在查氣比如說安非他命他遠景的檢驗會馬上變色這個從透明的變成接近紅色可是你看這個查衣脫米紙你看得出來他陰性跟陽性很難分如果你是在晚上又更難分因此那天呢這個遠景只好放他走了因為他最後驗出來可能看起來像是陰性\n230161\t238526\t什麼時候我們這個檢驗設備才能夠一致性、可以完善、可以讓第一線的人員擁有好的武器?如果有這樣的一個擔心,我想我們應該在毒品審議委員會裡面才提出來。\n253444\t254445\t請莊署長看看有沒有如何改善\n265117\t287575\t報告委員,因為我們在鹽檢組其實可以是做這個的檢驗,那我們也有檢驗的方法,對,但是因為我們那個檢驗沒有辦法在on-site做這個,它這個是一個kit,馬上當場看,那我們通常在送回鹽檢組做的那個東西都會比較時間會延後,包括它從它的樣品,但是那個方法我們是有,\n288055\t308500\t所以這個方法您要不要跟內政部一起討論一下他們怎麼樣可以做好一個有效率的對 因為我想因為這個是他現場警員他去抓著看的時候他是用一個快篩機那在食藥署事上我們是做的我們都會送回嚴監處有實驗室的方法去做\n308740\t322055\t他現在沒有辦法把他帶回去他沒有辦法用你的那個方法那我們這個可能再跟內政部、刑事警察局都可以再實驗一次\n323848\t339374\t內政部刑事警察局他也可以做跟我們類似完全一樣的檢驗那我知道委員現在是說如果怎麼去開發這個快篩劑比較有效的對這樣我們這個會跟他們一起討論這個你知道嗎跟其他的毒品比起來他第一線的快篩非常的模糊啊\n340394\t360269\t我想這個相當重要,我們已經去研發,去跟廠商看看能不能更清楚,因為常常抓到的時候天色是比較暗的,你這也要讓他們很清楚。那我也可能會請你們一個月內提供報告給我,到時候要怎麼幫第一線的這些執勤的人員改善他們的配備,不然他們怎麼抓?\n361303\t380012\t好,如果改善這個KID的一個鑑別度。好,下一個部長,其實等一下你,如果沒有遇到你上來的時候,你也繼續在社群媒體上找找看。現在啊,喪屍煙彈網路上還是隨隨便便,都有一大堆可以買得到,這個剛剛也很多委員問到了啦。\n381838\t398689\t從我們之前討論這個兒少私密片等等外流你已經講了其實主席我們今天好像也需要找數位部來感覺你們對於不管是毒品、電子煙、加熱煙等等還有等一下我要討論的你們對於這件事情都束手無策\n400421\t428057\t你是不是至少也發個函給這些搜尋網站請他們配合把這些都關閉掉報告委員這個跟社群網站的部分國民健康署是定期跟這個業者來召開會議那大概是每一季會開一次會議而且我們建立一個綠色通道就彼此在這個keywords上面或是一些關鍵圖片上面做一些彼此的交換\n428677\t430258\t國建署也在這個過程中多次的拜訪幾家比較嚴肅的業者或者是幾家有進步的業者把進步業者的經驗提供給還是持續有在刊登的這些業者所以這件事情是我們很加強力道在跟社群業者來溝通的\n449671\t470872\t因為您今天給的報告就是說你們從112年3月開始加強查緝但是如果部長我跟你一起來做一個網路直播啊我們可以跟一般的人民說你這個衛福部今年1到9月只裁罰了539件平均一天不到兩件你看看下面的留言會怎麼告訴你\n472874\t489775\t剛也已經其他委員講過了你跟電子煙應該要比喪屍煙彈更多然後呢喪屍煙彈查到的違法是你們的兩倍如果行政院我們辦一個這個成果發表會的話衛福部這樣子是很難看的\n493868\t512176\t對 所以那個部長這邊也有指導我們在這個查緝的力道上面要再更加強但是因為我們跟這個法務部不一樣的是淹害防治它有一定的行政程序但我們已經知道要加快這個數字這個可能等一下有很多委員會也會在一個月內針對我們這個提出檢討報告那這邊\n516958\t540635\t這個是你們總統府的顧問黃金順寫的文章他說台灣一年吞掉11顆鎮定安眠藥那其中有10名失眠的人是有4位是靠史蒂諾斯住眠這個主席跟部長都應該很熟悉這樣子的藥物好根據藥事法根據毒品危害防治條例都不可以隨便在網路上買賣剛剛你們有說定期都會開這樣子的會這個網站\n545680\t545800\t陳菁徽\n574773\t593194\t所以要怎麼解決?跟委員報告這個事情我們對這個Stainless這個藥品我想最初的時候是由這個網站它去做它其實不是原廠公司的\n594377\t599141\t對,因為他是國外嘛,又回到跟之前一樣的問題啦,兒少性剝削一樣的問題啦。\n614093\t630726\t報告委員 後來我們有跟那個Google也有跟那個Microsoft去談這件事情那因為主要的原因是這些網站是在國外而且因為這兩家公平台都是在外面都是在國外那我們現在跟他的管道是這樣如果我們有查到的\n632048\t652087\t我必須說您還蠻幸運的因為這個媒體披露他們把它買回來嘛結果分析了以後是褪黑技術如果是別的東西危害的毒品那真的就完蛋了這個我們現在還在跟台灣自己的網站我們現在只要有查到我們就會馬上請大家\n655631\t673531\t史蒂諾斯網站成立一年多,你們到現在還沒辦法關閉其他各種安眠藥網路上也都買得到,還有包括比如說社會新聞常看到FM2等等的這些可能你們這個審議會議一定要務必要好好的討論一下好嗎?是\n674832\t693168\t最後一個問題希望很快把它帶過但是非常的重要今年已經有兩位小學生一個小五一個小六自殺身亡這個是你們112年自殺防治中心的成果報告你看紅線是15到24歲\n697011\t706056\t這個藍線是14歲以下這兩個曲線是爆炸性的成長通報的速度也是異常的快部長這部分你有掌握到嗎這個我們有瞭解到這種現象\n714473\t722362\t好這邊再給你看另外一個圖比較遺憾的是你看到他通報日就是死亡日0到14歲是73.7%15到19歲是63.8%對比我們下面這些25到35歲之間的人\n732293\t758676\t很難很難在通報前就被我們發現而且做介入好最後給你一個實質的建議這是賴清德競選總統的時候他曾經提出來的他說他希望可以年輕族群心理支持方案向下延伸到小學因為這個方案是你們部裡面滿意度極高的方案他希望可以往下延伸或者是甚至擴大等等的這個名團你知道是誰嗎\n762011\t770706\t民團就是林月琴委員,剛剛的林月琴委員,所以你覺得這方面你有沒有辦法嚴你提出方案?\n773634\t801381\t報告委員我們原來是15到30現在已經延伸到45那這個部分就由衛福部來主責那這個在健康臺灣裡面也列為非常重要的一點那我們也會以教育部來推展SEL的一個小學就開始有一個更好的心理素質那有關於小學這個部分是教育部在主責我們會跟他來合作\n802155\t803136\t來看看怎麼加強這個部分。\n","txt":"委員長下一張\n謝謝部長早安不好意思對我們看一下剛剛已經有非常多委員提到了毒品已經奪走我們許多員警或者是無辜的生命包括在路上行走的路人那最重要的關鍵就是說現在新興毒品它很複雜電子煙是你要管的但是毒品又是別人要管的那電子煙只是一個載具嘛\n好 這個匯報呢是我們卓院長上任以後也是您上任以後第一個很大規模的這個毒品防制匯報喔不管是院長、副院長、秘書長還有兩位這個政務委員全部都到齊了可是你看那一天我們的缺席率是六成這麼多人找代理那再來司法院的廳長是直接NO SHOW欸好 那我想問一下\n您有多重視這個議題啊因為你那天也沒有出現但是那一天的會議你們通過了未來四年第三期即將投入150億的新世代反毒政策行動綱領剛在六月核定喔你們通過了這麼一大筆錢結果有六成的人缺席所以你們的橫向串聯怎麼可能會做得好呢\n好,我想毒品防治匯報這個是持續的,已經35次了那它的很多的計畫應該是持續性一直在討論才會有當天的一個計畫的核定那我想這個都是一直持續在做的那我們大概都也是由本部也是由主責的主責實驗室的製造下次會到了\n市長\n委員好 跟委員報告這個二級毒品我們在禮拜一已經發函徵詢各機關在收集資料因為我們6月份才通過依托米子為三級毒品那短短幾個月要把它提升為二級毒品當然這個我們要收集資料完了之後我們預計在下個月底或者12月初會開毒品審議委會來檢討\n好 那我們看一下這個圖片因為第一線的員警有跟我反應他們在做盤查的時候發現有些人開車很奇怪所以高度懷疑他是依託就吸了這個喪屍煙彈結果抓到的人也承認\n可是如果你們有這個衛福部部長不知道知不知道他們在查氣比如說安非他命他遠景的檢驗會馬上變色這個從透明的變成接近紅色可是你看這個查衣脫米紙你看得出來他陰性跟陽性很難分如果你是在晚上又更難分因此那天呢這個遠景只好放他走了因為他最後驗出來可能看起來像是陰性\n什麼時候我們這個檢驗設備才能夠一致性、可以完善、可以讓第一線的人員擁有好的武器?如果有這樣的一個擔心,我想我們應該在毒品審議委員會裡面才提出來。\n請莊署長看看有沒有如何改善\n報告委員,因為我們在鹽檢組其實可以是做這個的檢驗,那我們也有檢驗的方法,對,但是因為我們那個檢驗沒有辦法在on-site做這個,它這個是一個kit,馬上當場看,那我們通常在送回鹽檢組做的那個東西都會比較時間會延後,包括它從它的樣品,但是那個方法我們是有,\n所以這個方法您要不要跟內政部一起討論一下他們怎麼樣可以做好一個有效率的對 因為我想因為這個是他現場警員他去抓著看的時候他是用一個快篩機那在食藥署事上我們是做的我們都會送回嚴監處有實驗室的方法去做\n他現在沒有辦法把他帶回去他沒有辦法用你的那個方法那我們這個可能再跟內政部、刑事警察局都可以再實驗一次\n內政部刑事警察局他也可以做跟我們類似完全一樣的檢驗那我知道委員現在是說如果怎麼去開發這個快篩劑比較有效的對這樣我們這個會跟他們一起討論這個你知道嗎跟其他的毒品比起來他第一線的快篩非常的模糊啊\n我想這個相當重要,我們已經去研發,去跟廠商看看能不能更清楚,因為常常抓到的時候天色是比較暗的,你這也要讓他們很清楚。那我也可能會請你們一個月內提供報告給我,到時候要怎麼幫第一線的這些執勤的人員改善他們的配備,不然他們怎麼抓?\n好,如果改善這個KID的一個鑑別度。好,下一個部長,其實等一下你,如果沒有遇到你上來的時候,你也繼續在社群媒體上找找看。現在啊,喪屍煙彈網路上還是隨隨便便,都有一大堆可以買得到,這個剛剛也很多委員問到了啦。\n從我們之前討論這個兒少私密片等等外流你已經講了其實主席我們今天好像也需要找數位部來感覺你們對於不管是毒品、電子煙、加熱煙等等還有等一下我要討論的你們對於這件事情都束手無策\n你是不是至少也發個函給這些搜尋網站請他們配合把這些都關閉掉報告委員這個跟社群網站的部分國民健康署是定期跟這個業者來召開會議那大概是每一季會開一次會議而且我們建立一個綠色通道就彼此在這個keywords上面或是一些關鍵圖片上面做一些彼此的交換\n國建署也在這個過程中多次的拜訪幾家比較嚴肅的業者或者是幾家有進步的業者把進步業者的經驗提供給還是持續有在刊登的這些業者所以這件事情是我們很加強力道在跟社群業者來溝通的\n因為您今天給的報告就是說你們從112年3月開始加強查緝但是如果部長我跟你一起來做一個網路直播啊我們可以跟一般的人民說你這個衛福部今年1到9月只裁罰了539件平均一天不到兩件你看看下面的留言會怎麼告訴你\n剛也已經其他委員講過了你跟電子煙應該要比喪屍煙彈更多然後呢喪屍煙彈查到的違法是你們的兩倍如果行政院我們辦一個這個成果發表會的話衛福部這樣子是很難看的\n對 所以那個部長這邊也有指導我們在這個查緝的力道上面要再更加強但是因為我們跟這個法務部不一樣的是淹害防治它有一定的行政程序但我們已經知道要加快這個數字這個可能等一下有很多委員會也會在一個月內針對我們這個提出檢討報告那這邊\n這個是你們總統府的顧問黃金順寫的文章他說台灣一年吞掉11顆鎮定安眠藥那其中有10名失眠的人是有4位是靠史蒂諾斯住眠這個主席跟部長都應該很熟悉這樣子的藥物好根據藥事法根據毒品危害防治條例都不可以隨便在網路上買賣剛剛你們有說定期都會開這樣子的會這個網站\n陳菁徽\n所以要怎麼解決?跟委員報告這個事情我們對這個Stainless這個藥品我想最初的時候是由這個網站它去做它其實不是原廠公司的\n對,因為他是國外嘛,又回到跟之前一樣的問題啦,兒少性剝削一樣的問題啦。\n報告委員 後來我們有跟那個Google也有跟那個Microsoft去談這件事情那因為主要的原因是這些網站是在國外而且因為這兩家公平台都是在外面都是在國外那我們現在跟他的管道是這樣如果我們有查到的\n我必須說您還蠻幸運的因為這個媒體披露他們把它買回來嘛結果分析了以後是褪黑技術如果是別的東西危害的毒品那真的就完蛋了這個我們現在還在跟台灣自己的網站我們現在只要有查到我們就會馬上請大家\n史蒂諾斯網站成立一年多,你們到現在還沒辦法關閉其他各種安眠藥網路上也都買得到,還有包括比如說社會新聞常看到FM2等等的這些可能你們這個審議會議一定要務必要好好的討論一下好嗎?是\n最後一個問題希望很快把它帶過但是非常的重要今年已經有兩位小學生一個小五一個小六自殺身亡這個是你們112年自殺防治中心的成果報告你看紅線是15到24歲\n這個藍線是14歲以下這兩個曲線是爆炸性的成長通報的速度也是異常的快部長這部分你有掌握到嗎這個我們有瞭解到這種現象\n好這邊再給你看另外一個圖比較遺憾的是你看到他通報日就是死亡日0到14歲是73.7%15到19歲是63.8%對比我們下面這些25到35歲之間的人\n很難很難在通報前就被我們發現而且做介入好最後給你一個實質的建議這是賴清德競選總統的時候他曾經提出來的他說他希望可以年輕族群心理支持方案向下延伸到小學因為這個方案是你們部裡面滿意度極高的方案他希望可以往下延伸或者是甚至擴大等等的這個名團你知道是誰嗎\n民團就是林月琴委員,剛剛的林月琴委員,所以你覺得這方面你有沒有辦法嚴你提出方案?\n報告委員我們原來是15到30現在已經延伸到45那這個部分就由衛福部來主責那這個在健康臺灣裡面也列為非常重要的一點那我們也會以教育部來推展SEL的一個小學就開始有一個更好的心理素質那有關於小學這個部分是教育部在主責我們會跟他來合作\n來看看怎麼加強這個部分。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.935 --> 00:12.215\n委員長下一張\n\n00:27.276 --> 00:51.345\n謝謝部長早安不好意思對我們看一下剛剛已經有非常多委員提到了毒品已經奪走我們許多員警或者是無辜的生命包括在路上行走的路人那最重要的關鍵就是說現在新興毒品它很複雜電子煙是你要管的但是毒品又是別人要管的那電子煙只是一個載具嘛\n\n00:52.105 --> 01:17.272\n好這個匯報呢是我們卓院長上任以後也是您上任以後第一個很大規模的這個毒品防制匯報喔不管是院長、副院長、秘書長還有兩位這個政務委員全部都到齊了可是你看那一天我們的缺席率是六成這麼多人找代理那再來司法院的廳長是直接NOSHOW欸好那我想問一下\n\n01:20.526 --> 01:43.994\n您有多重視這個議題啊因為你那天也沒有出現但是那一天的會議你們通過了未來四年第三期即將投入150億的新世代反毒政策行動綱領剛在六月核定喔你們通過了這麼一大筆錢結果有六成的人缺席所以你們的橫向串聯怎麼可能會做得好呢\n\n01:45.782 --> 02:13.011\n好,我想毒品防治匯報這個是持續的,已經35次了那它的很多的計畫應該是持續性一直在討論才會有當天的一個計畫的核定那我想這個都是一直持續在做的那我們大概都也是由本部也是由主責的主責實驗室的製造下次會到了\n\n02:15.974 --> 02:15.994\n市長\n\n02:42.410 --> 03:05.552\n委員好跟委員報告這個二級毒品我們在禮拜一已經發函徵詢各機關在收集資料因為我們6月份才通過依托米子為三級毒品那短短幾個月要把它提升為二級毒品當然這個我們要收集資料完了之後我們預計在下個月底或者12月初會開毒品審議委會來檢討\n\n03:07.574 --> 03:21.868\n好那我們看一下這個圖片因為第一線的員警有跟我反應他們在做盤查的時候發現有些人開車很奇怪所以高度懷疑他是依託就吸了這個喪屍煙彈結果抓到的人也承認\n\n03:23.089 --> 03:49.021\n可是如果你們有這個衛福部部長不知道知不知道他們在查氣比如說安非他命他遠景的檢驗會馬上變色這個從透明的變成接近紅色可是你看這個查衣脫米紙你看得出來他陰性跟陽性很難分如果你是在晚上又更難分因此那天呢這個遠景只好放他走了因為他最後驗出來可能看起來像是陰性\n\n03:50.161 --> 03:58.526\n什麼時候我們這個檢驗設備才能夠一致性、可以完善、可以讓第一線的人員擁有好的武器?如果有這樣的一個擔心,我想我們應該在毒品審議委員會裡面才提出來。\n\n04:13.444 --> 04:14.445\n請莊署長看看有沒有如何改善\n\n04:25.117 --> 04:47.575\n報告委員,因為我們在鹽檢組其實可以是做這個的檢驗,那我們也有檢驗的方法,對,但是因為我們那個檢驗沒有辦法在on-site做這個,它這個是一個kit,馬上當場看,那我們通常在送回鹽檢組做的那個東西都會比較時間會延後,包括它從它的樣品,但是那個方法我們是有,\n\n04:48.055 --> 05:08.500\n所以這個方法您要不要跟內政部一起討論一下他們怎麼樣可以做好一個有效率的對因為我想因為這個是他現場警員他去抓著看的時候他是用一個快篩機那在食藥署事上我們是做的我們都會送回嚴監處有實驗室的方法去做\n\n05:08.740 --> 05:22.055\n他現在沒有辦法把他帶回去他沒有辦法用你的那個方法那我們這個可能再跟內政部、刑事警察局都可以再實驗一次\n\n05:23.848 --> 05:39.374\n內政部刑事警察局他也可以做跟我們類似完全一樣的檢驗那我知道委員現在是說如果怎麼去開發這個快篩劑比較有效的對這樣我們這個會跟他們一起討論這個你知道嗎跟其他的毒品比起來他第一線的快篩非常的模糊啊\n\n05:40.394 --> 06:00.269\n我想這個相當重要,我們已經去研發,去跟廠商看看能不能更清楚,因為常常抓到的時候天色是比較暗的,你這也要讓他們很清楚。那我也可能會請你們一個月內提供報告給我,到時候要怎麼幫第一線的這些執勤的人員改善他們的配備,不然他們怎麼抓?\n\n06:01.303 --> 06:20.012\n好,如果改善這個KID的一個鑑別度。好,下一個部長,其實等一下你,如果沒有遇到你上來的時候,你也繼續在社群媒體上找找看。現在啊,喪屍煙彈網路上還是隨隨便便,都有一大堆可以買得到,這個剛剛也很多委員問到了啦。\n\n06:21.838 --> 06:38.689\n從我們之前討論這個兒少私密片等等外流你已經講了其實主席我們今天好像也需要找數位部來感覺你們對於不管是毒品、電子煙、加熱煙等等還有等一下我要討論的你們對於這件事情都束手無策\n\n06:40.421 --> 07:08.057\n你是不是至少也發個函給這些搜尋網站請他們配合把這些都關閉掉報告委員這個跟社群網站的部分國民健康署是定期跟這個業者來召開會議那大概是每一季會開一次會議而且我們建立一個綠色通道就彼此在這個keywords上面或是一些關鍵圖片上面做一些彼此的交換\n\n07:08.677 --> 07:10.258\n國建署也在這個過程中多次的拜訪幾家比較嚴肅的業者或者是幾家有進步的業者把進步業者的經驗提供給還是持續有在刊登的這些業者所以這件事情是我們很加強力道在跟社群業者來溝通的\n\n07:29.671 --> 07:50.872\n因為您今天給的報告就是說你們從112年3月開始加強查緝但是如果部長我跟你一起來做一個網路直播啊我們可以跟一般的人民說你這個衛福部今年1到9月只裁罰了539件平均一天不到兩件你看看下面的留言會怎麼告訴你\n\n07:52.874 --> 08:09.775\n剛也已經其他委員講過了你跟電子煙應該要比喪屍煙彈更多然後呢喪屍煙彈查到的違法是你們的兩倍如果行政院我們辦一個這個成果發表會的話衛福部這樣子是很難看的\n\n08:13.868 --> 08:32.176\n對所以那個部長這邊也有指導我們在這個查緝的力道上面要再更加強但是因為我們跟這個法務部不一樣的是淹害防治它有一定的行政程序但我們已經知道要加快這個數字這個可能等一下有很多委員會也會在一個月內針對我們這個提出檢討報告那這邊\n\n08:36.958 --> 09:00.635\n這個是你們總統府的顧問黃金順寫的文章他說台灣一年吞掉11顆鎮定安眠藥那其中有10名失眠的人是有4位是靠史蒂諾斯住眠這個主席跟部長都應該很熟悉這樣子的藥物好根據藥事法根據毒品危害防治條例都不可以隨便在網路上買賣剛剛你們有說定期都會開這樣子的會這個網站\n\n09:05.680 --> 09:05.800\n陳菁徽\n\n09:34.773 --> 09:53.194\n所以要怎麼解決?跟委員報告這個事情我們對這個Stainless這個藥品我想最初的時候是由這個網站它去做它其實不是原廠公司的\n\n09:54.377 --> 09:59.141\n對,因為他是國外嘛,又回到跟之前一樣的問題啦,兒少性剝削一樣的問題啦。\n\n10:14.093 --> 10:30.726\n報告委員後來我們有跟那個Google也有跟那個Microsoft去談這件事情那因為主要的原因是這些網站是在國外而且因為這兩家公平台都是在外面都是在國外那我們現在跟他的管道是這樣如果我們有查到的\n\n10:32.048 --> 10:52.087\n我必須說您還蠻幸運的因為這個媒體披露他們把它買回來嘛結果分析了以後是褪黑技術如果是別的東西危害的毒品那真的就完蛋了這個我們現在還在跟台灣自己的網站我們現在只要有查到我們就會馬上請大家\n\n10:55.631 --> 11:13.531\n史蒂諾斯網站成立一年多,你們到現在還沒辦法關閉其他各種安眠藥網路上也都買得到,還有包括比如說社會新聞常看到FM2等等的這些可能你們這個審議會議一定要務必要好好的討論一下好嗎?是\n\n11:14.832 --> 11:33.168\n最後一個問題希望很快把它帶過但是非常的重要今年已經有兩位小學生一個小五一個小六自殺身亡這個是你們112年自殺防治中心的成果報告你看紅線是15到24歲\n\n11:37.011 --> 11:46.056\n這個藍線是14歲以下這兩個曲線是爆炸性的成長通報的速度也是異常的快部長這部分你有掌握到嗎這個我們有瞭解到這種現象\n\n11:54.473 --> 12:02.362\n好這邊再給你看另外一個圖比較遺憾的是你看到他通報日就是死亡日0到14歲是73.7%15到19歲是63.8%對比我們下面這些25到35歲之間的人\n\n12:12.293 --> 12:38.676\n很難很難在通報前就被我們發現而且做介入好最後給你一個實質的建議這是賴清德競選總統的時候他曾經提出來的他說他希望可以年輕族群心理支持方案向下延伸到小學因為這個方案是你們部裡面滿意度極高的方案他希望可以往下延伸或者是甚至擴大等等的這個名團你知道是誰嗎\n\n12:42.011 --> 12:50.706\n民團就是林月琴委員,剛剛的林月琴委員,所以你覺得這方面你有沒有辦法嚴你提出方案?\n\n12:53.634 --> 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