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00:00:10,582\n謝謝召委,請一下陳部長還有周威董事長、楊振鈞局長楊局長\n\n2\n00:00:16,211 --> 00:00:39,889\n部長您好,今天討論的議題早晚安排的是相關臺鐵的服務品質以及資產管理、文化的保存以及相關的鐵道美學等等這些重要的議題其實我們討論到臺鐵,現在每天平均大概有64萬人次搭乘臺鐵\n\n3\n00:00:41,030 --> 00:01:09,603\n是一個重要的大眾運輸工具那你認為臺鐵最重要的責任跟工作到底是什麼來說明一下我覺得臺鐵最重要的是安全的確保所有旅客的安全確保這是第一要務那第二當然我們服務的提升也是很重要服務我想64萬人次的旅客我們要給安全準點的這樣的一個重要的責任工作是我們交通部最重要的一個工作那\n\n4\n00:01:10,123 --> 00:01:38,632\n我們現在看到臺鐵相關的這些在過去部長應該清楚臺鐵過去有運、工、積、電四個單位那這四個單位在過去的都是各行其事各自獨立運作其實雖然是同一個臺鐵局但是運、工、積、電杜薇董事長是老臺鐵也很清楚整合是有相當大的問題四大角頭\n\n5\n00:01:39,972 --> 00:02:00,504\n我們不好處理啦那現在公司化之後杜葳董事長努力要做初步的一個整合但是這個整合我認為啊績效還是不好啦那我請教一下部長我們現在對於臺鐵相關的這些安全工作的整合你目前的態度跟原則是什麼\n\n6\n00:02:01,464 --> 00:02:27,596\n當然運供基電四個系統對於整體的安全是相當的重要過去的運行的過程當中整合的不夠好那現在他們透過智慧鐵道的雲的這個平台的建置還有其他的系統正在建置當中希望能夠做到更好的整合那像委員所說的沒有錯目前的進度可能不夠好那這個部分我也請杜葳董事長要努力來加強部長跟杜董事長我要提醒你們我們過去啊\n\n7\n00:02:28,456 --> 00:02:46,447\n有相當多的安全計畫6年行車安全計畫然後電路智慧化的提升計畫小半徑彎曲的一個改善計畫還有軌道安全的結構的這樣安全計畫現在又多了一個5年的安全計畫計畫不斷\n\n8\n00:02:49,793 --> 00:03:06,061\n然後我們現在說要成立相關的安全管理的推動小組我請教一下杜董事長我們在上次重大的災難之後有成立了營運安全處現在又要成立\n\n9\n00:03:07,216 --> 00:03:25,667\n安全的管理推動小組來說明一下這個機制到底是要怎麼運作是跟委員報告其實剛剛委員提到我們運工機電的整合這件事情我們就是把他們全部納到安全管理推動小組裡面來由總經理直接的來檢視來訂目標\n\n10\n00:03:29,549 --> 00:03:45,158\n讓他們完成那這個其中的整合是有相關聯的那剛剛提到的運安處就是這個推動小組的幕僚單位他要幫總經理跟整個小組做好規劃然後要言語考核要達標\n\n11\n00:03:46,670 --> 00:04:14,798\n那他最主要還是根據SNS還有相關的安全管理系統那對於這些跨部門他們相關的運作來訂立一個目標而已嘛是那個我跟委員報告就是SNS裡面有一個很重要的重點是風險管控以往我們都是各行其事是沒有錯啦但是我們公司成立以後我們的風險管控就改了我們現在每一個風險他\n\n12\n00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:42,460\n發生的原因以及推到最後面我們要去管控它的改善計畫都包含運、供、機電各部門的配合所以在安全管理推動小組裡面會對我們所有的風險管控就是檢視、考核在修正在之前有營運安全處的成立現在又成立了安全管理推動小組\n\n13\n00:04:44,696 --> 00:05:12,532\n計畫不斷小組不斷但是它實際的功效杜董事長在公司化之後必須要拿出具體的一個成績那現在提到智慧鐵道平臺雲智慧鐵道雲的這個平臺好像最近才發包嗎好像還沒有上線嗎還沒有已經發包了10月份發包10月份發包謝謝部長那什麼時候可以預計上線運作呢\n\n14\n00:05:13,334 --> 00:05:26,468\n我們跟委員報告我們預計初步的在明年的下半年我們會有幾個主系統可以連上來那全部第一階段的一個連線就上線了我們預計是在115年的上半年\n\n15\n00:05:29,931 --> 00:05:50,311\n相關的智慧鐵道員這個平台他主要是來做一個各系統的一個界面的整合能夠讓相關的訊息能夠讓相關的這樣的一個資訊信號能夠做一個整合這是一個很重要的向前邁進一大步這個杜董事長要加強的去落實\n\n16\n00:05:51,392 --> 00:06:05,929\n我們現在看到第三代CTC就是中央行車控制系統這是我們很期待的一個新的系統的建制目前這個功能以及相關的建制期程杜董事長說明一下\n\n17\n00:06:06,409 --> 00:06:23,488\n來跟委員報告,CTC這個部分我們現在已經報計畫上來了那只要院合訂以後,我們會趕快的來做一個發包的動作那這個CTC裡面,它的所有功能是結合於平台的\n\n18\n00:06:24,289 --> 00:06:46,868\n那也就是說未來現場各方各面的資料都可以透過雲平台傳到CTC那CTC的控制員、調度員就可以獲得第一手的資訊這是很重要的我認為這第三代的CTC中央行車控制系統必須加緊建置而且如期如止的要來完成\n\n19\n00:06:48,274 --> 00:07:02,828\n杜董事長我請教一下我們講到安全的管理我們例如以平交道的管理來做一個說法平交道它有遮斷器有這樣的相關的義務入侵的偵測以及相關的\n\n20\n00:07:03,849 --> 00:07:32,669\nCMT就是這樣的一個集體監測的這樣一個系統或是錄影監測的系統那如何去做好這個平交道的安全管理以這個來做例子你們現在目前的做法是什麼是,現在平交道的安全管理其實我們平交道上的設備應該已經建區齊全了只是這些設備它的資訊以及它的功能就是還需要做即時的傳輸跟整合\n\n21\n00:07:33,169 --> 00:08:01,966\n那舉這個平交道的例子比如說我們的錄影監視系統那現在呢調度員看不到那未來透過雲平台呢這個每一個平交道的畫面調度員都可以立即的調出來來審視那平交道的這個機構如果說他有這個衰退或者是他有這個異常現象的現在呢我們的人是要看到表徵發生以後才跑到現場去\n\n22\n00:08:02,847 --> 00:08:23,035\n部長都要落實的去督促每天有64萬人次人搭乘臺鐵安全是我們最重要的責任那最後的時間我們對臺鐵員工的待遇這個我知道最近部長跟杜董事長積極的要推動相關的員工福利的一個提升\n\n23\n00:08:24,878 --> 00:08:45,636\n在過去啊臺鐵的這個新人的離職率非常的高因為啊他們認為臺鐵啊待遇不夠好然後工作也非常辛苦所以他變成一個我講的非常沒不禮貌就是有點騎驢找馬我先考上臺鐵我再來考其他的單位\n\n24\n00:08:47,654 --> 00:09:10,212\n臺鐵變成一個人力培訓中心大家都離職率都非常高尤其是臺鐵那我們看到臺鐵公司人員的離退情形是很嚴重我們到113年就是6月30日為止申請優退禮的人數是達到1399人那如果再加上\n\n25\n00:09:11,516 --> 00:09:27,578\n一百一十三年符合退休年齡的人數到一百一十三年底合計退役的人數會達到一千五百四十三人這個部分我們在之前我有\n\n26\n00:09:28,419 --> 00:09:56,147\n跟杜董事長我們有努力有成功為臺鐵員工來增加他們營運獎金並入專業佳績而且也增加了危險津貼那現在我們有什麼更進一步的對於臺鐵的員工我們必須要盡到我們照顧的責任要調高從業人員的薪資或是爭取危險的佳績以及夜點費或是地域佳績有什麼更進一步的\n\n27\n00:09:56,787 --> 00:10:13,886\n報告委員在這段時間您也花了很多時間跟我討論然後我們也花了一些時間跟臺鐵公司來討論尤其是從業人員的部分從業人員是新進的人員那他們過去的薪資跟原本留任的人員確實是有一定的差距\n\n28\n00:10:14,326 --> 00:10:36,519\n那這個部分我們正在努力當中那也應該很快的時間會讓大家看到成果這段時間不管是交通部我們內部的討論或者是到人事總處那邊的討論我們都已經完成了很快的院那邊如果只要核定下來對於從業人員的加薪就會如委員所期待的會有一定的進度會出現那媒體也有報導\n\n29\n00:10:37,259 --> 00:10:55,311\n那針對他們的基本底薪的部分大概會增加三千多塊左右啦會增加到大概新聘人員大概一進來大概就三萬六以上的這個薪資那當然還是不夠還有很多該加給的部分我們持續在努力那整套的計畫那個杜董事長這邊杜董事長來簡單再補充一下\n\n30\n00:10:57,452 --> 00:11:15,030\n是,剛剛部長指示的這個我們努力以外其實對公司來講我們要留才也是最重要的工作就是讓員工對公司有信心所以我們對於安全跟服務這兩大區塊我們必須要有所進步\n\n31\n00:11:15,771 --> 00:11:43,815\n那這個是當然反過來講還是要公司全體員工一致的向心努力才能達成那之前我也有報告過就是在這兩塊有進步的前提之下我們才能吸引客源我們才能夠善用資產那我們如果營業收入因而增加的話那我們調整待遇或者是增加員工福利才有機會做更好的一個發展\n\n32\n00:11:44,255 --> 00:11:51,923\n好我今天講的重點就是照顧員工的一個福利啦要提升照顧員工的基本生活及權益最後最後\n\n33\n00:11:52,981 --> 00:12:19,542\n部長我們對於高雄的黃線捷運那因為相關的物價上漲總經費增加非常的多那在9月交通部也召開過相關的捷運委員會的一個審查那希望能夠加速相關的行政程序啦另外還有紫線捷運可行性評估也送到交通部了也要加緊相關的行政程序之前委員又來參加審查委員會那這個部分我們來加速謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5450\t10582\t謝謝召委,請一下陳部長還有周威董事長、楊振鈞局長楊局長\n16211\t39889\t部長您好,今天討論的議題早晚安排的是相關臺鐵的服務品質以及資產管理、文化的保存以及相關的鐵道美學等等這些重要的議題其實我們討論到臺鐵,現在每天平均大概有64萬人次搭乘臺鐵\n41030\t69603\t是一個重要的大眾運輸工具那你認為臺鐵最重要的責任跟工作到底是什麼來說明一下我覺得臺鐵最重要的是安全的確保所有旅客的安全確保這是第一要務那第二當然我們服務的提升也是很重要服務我想64萬人次的旅客我們要給安全準點的這樣的一個重要的責任工作是我們交通部最重要的一個工作那\n70123\t98632\t我們現在看到臺鐵相關的這些在過去部長應該清楚臺鐵過去有運、工、積、電四個單位那這四個單位在過去的都是各行其事各自獨立運作其實雖然是同一個臺鐵局但是運、工、積、電杜薇董事長是老臺鐵也很清楚整合是有相當大的問題四大角頭\n99972\t120504\t我們不好處理啦那現在公司化之後杜葳董事長努力要做初步的一個整合但是這個整合我認為啊績效還是不好啦那我請教一下部長我們現在對於臺鐵相關的這些安全工作的整合你目前的態度跟原則是什麼\n121464\t147596\t當然運供基電四個系統對於整體的安全是相當的重要過去的運行的過程當中整合的不夠好那現在他們透過智慧鐵道的雲的這個平台的建置還有其他的系統正在建置當中希望能夠做到更好的整合那像委員所說的沒有錯目前的進度可能不夠好那這個部分我也請杜葳董事長要努力來加強部長跟杜董事長我要提醒你們我們過去啊\n148456\t166447\t有相當多的安全計畫6年行車安全計畫然後電路智慧化的提升計畫小半徑彎曲的一個改善計畫還有軌道安全的結構的這樣安全計畫現在又多了一個5年的安全計畫計畫不斷\n169793\t186061\t然後我們現在說要成立相關的安全管理的推動小組我請教一下杜董事長我們在上次重大的災難之後有成立了營運安全處現在又要成立\n187216\t205667\t安全的管理推動小組來說明一下這個機制到底是要怎麼運作是跟委員報告其實剛剛委員提到我們運工機電的整合這件事情我們就是把他們全部納到安全管理推動小組裡面來由總經理直接的來檢視來訂目標\n209549\t225158\t讓他們完成那這個其中的整合是有相關聯的那剛剛提到的運安處就是這個推動小組的幕僚單位他要幫總經理跟整個小組做好規劃然後要言語考核要達標\n226670\t254798\t那他最主要還是根據SNS還有相關的安全管理系統那對於這些跨部門他們相關的運作來訂立一個目標而已嘛是那個我跟委員報告就是SNS裡面有一個很重要的重點是風險管控以往我們都是各行其事是沒有錯啦但是我們公司成立以後我們的風險管控就改了我們現在每一個風險他\n257200\t282460\t發生的原因以及推到最後面我們要去管控它的改善計畫都包含運、供、機電各部門的配合所以在安全管理推動小組裡面會對我們所有的風險管控就是檢視、考核在修正在之前有營運安全處的成立現在又成立了安全管理推動小組\n284696\t312532\t計畫不斷小組不斷但是它實際的功效杜董事長在公司化之後必須要拿出具體的一個成績那現在提到智慧鐵道平臺雲智慧鐵道雲的這個平臺好像最近才發包嗎好像還沒有上線嗎還沒有已經發包了10月份發包10月份發包謝謝部長那什麼時候可以預計上線運作呢\n313334\t326468\t我們跟委員報告我們預計初步的在明年的下半年我們會有幾個主系統可以連上來那全部第一階段的一個連線就上線了我們預計是在115年的上半年\n329931\t350311\t相關的智慧鐵道員這個平台他主要是來做一個各系統的一個界面的整合能夠讓相關的訊息能夠讓相關的這樣的一個資訊信號能夠做一個整合這是一個很重要的向前邁進一大步這個杜董事長要加強的去落實\n351392\t365929\t我們現在看到第三代CTC就是中央行車控制系統這是我們很期待的一個新的系統的建制目前這個功能以及相關的建制期程杜董事長說明一下\n366409\t383488\t來跟委員報告,CTC這個部分我們現在已經報計畫上來了那只要院合訂以後,我們會趕快的來做一個發包的動作那這個CTC裡面,它的所有功能是結合於平台的\n384289\t406868\t那也就是說未來現場各方各面的資料都可以透過雲平台傳到CTC那CTC的控制員、調度員就可以獲得第一手的資訊這是很重要的我認為這第三代的CTC中央行車控制系統必須加緊建置而且如期如止的要來完成\n408274\t422828\t杜董事長我請教一下我們講到安全的管理我們例如以平交道的管理來做一個說法平交道它有遮斷器有這樣的相關的義務入侵的偵測以及相關的\n423849\t452669\tCMT就是這樣的一個集體監測的這樣一個系統或是錄影監測的系統那如何去做好這個平交道的安全管理以這個來做例子你們現在目前的做法是什麼是,現在平交道的安全管理其實我們平交道上的設備應該已經建區齊全了只是這些設備它的資訊以及它的功能就是還需要做即時的傳輸跟整合\n453169\t481966\t那舉這個平交道的例子比如說我們的錄影監視系統那現在呢調度員看不到那未來透過雲平台呢這個每一個平交道的畫面調度員都可以立即的調出來來審視那平交道的這個機構如果說他有這個衰退或者是他有這個異常現象的現在呢我們的人是要看到表徵發生以後才跑到現場去\n482847\t503035\t部長都要落實的去督促每天有64萬人次人搭乘臺鐵安全是我們最重要的責任那最後的時間我們對臺鐵員工的待遇這個我知道最近部長跟杜董事長積極的要推動相關的員工福利的一個提升\n504878\t525636\t在過去啊臺鐵的這個新人的離職率非常的高因為啊他們認為臺鐵啊待遇不夠好然後工作也非常辛苦所以他變成一個我講的非常沒不禮貌就是有點騎驢找馬我先考上臺鐵我再來考其他的單位\n527654\t550212\t臺鐵變成一個人力培訓中心大家都離職率都非常高尤其是臺鐵那我們看到臺鐵公司人員的離退情形是很嚴重我們到113年就是6月30日為止申請優退禮的人數是達到1399人那如果再加上\n551516\t567578\t一百一十三年符合退休年齡的人數到一百一十三年底合計退役的人數會達到一千五百四十三人這個部分我們在之前我有\n568419\t596147\t跟杜董事長我們有努力有成功為臺鐵員工來增加他們營運獎金並入專業佳績而且也增加了危險津貼那現在我們有什麼更進一步的對於臺鐵的員工我們必須要盡到我們照顧的責任要調高從業人員的薪資或是爭取危險的佳績以及夜點費或是地域佳績有什麼更進一步的\n596787\t613886\t報告委員在這段時間您也花了很多時間跟我討論然後我們也花了一些時間跟臺鐵公司來討論尤其是從業人員的部分從業人員是新進的人員那他們過去的薪資跟原本留任的人員確實是有一定的差距\n614326\t636519\t那這個部分我們正在努力當中那也應該很快的時間會讓大家看到成果這段時間不管是交通部我們內部的討論或者是到人事總處那邊的討論我們都已經完成了很快的院那邊如果只要核定下來對於從業人員的加薪就會如委員所期待的會有一定的進度會出現那媒體也有報導\n637259\t655311\t那針對他們的基本底薪的部分大概會增加三千多塊左右啦會增加到大概新聘人員大概一進來大概就三萬六以上的這個薪資那當然還是不夠還有很多該加給的部分我們持續在努力那整套的計畫那個杜董事長這邊杜董事長來簡單再補充一下\n657452\t675030\t是,剛剛部長指示的這個我們努力以外其實對公司來講我們要留才也是最重要的工作就是讓員工對公司有信心所以我們對於安全跟服務這兩大區塊我們必須要有所進步\n675771\t703815\t那這個是當然反過來講還是要公司全體員工一致的向心努力才能達成那之前我也有報告過就是在這兩塊有進步的前提之下我們才能吸引客源我們才能夠善用資產那我們如果營業收入因而增加的話那我們調整待遇或者是增加員工福利才有機會做更好的一個發展\n704255\t711923\t好我今天講的重點就是照顧員工的一個福利啦要提升照顧員工的基本生活及權益最後最後\n712981\t739542\t部長我們對於高雄的黃線捷運那因為相關的物價上漲總經費增加非常的多那在9月交通部也召開過相關的捷運委員會的一個審查那希望能夠加速相關的行政程序啦另外還有紫線捷運可行性評估也送到交通部了也要加緊相關的行政程序之前委員又來參加審查委員會那這個部分我們來加速謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝召委,請一下陳部長還有周威董事長、楊振鈞局長楊局長\n部長您好,今天討論的議題早晚安排的是相關臺鐵的服務品質以及資產管理、文化的保存以及相關的鐵道美學等等這些重要的議題其實我們討論到臺鐵,現在每天平均大概有64萬人次搭乘臺鐵\n是一個重要的大眾運輸工具那你認為臺鐵最重要的責任跟工作到底是什麼來說明一下我覺得臺鐵最重要的是安全的確保所有旅客的安全確保這是第一要務那第二當然我們服務的提升也是很重要服務我想64萬人次的旅客我們要給安全準點的這樣的一個重要的責任工作是我們交通部最重要的一個工作那\n我們現在看到臺鐵相關的這些在過去部長應該清楚臺鐵過去有運、工、積、電四個單位那這四個單位在過去的都是各行其事各自獨立運作其實雖然是同一個臺鐵局但是運、工、積、電杜薇董事長是老臺鐵也很清楚整合是有相當大的問題四大角頭\n我們不好處理啦那現在公司化之後杜葳董事長努力要做初步的一個整合但是這個整合我認為啊績效還是不好啦那我請教一下部長我們現在對於臺鐵相關的這些安全工作的整合你目前的態度跟原則是什麼\n當然運供基電四個系統對於整體的安全是相當的重要過去的運行的過程當中整合的不夠好那現在他們透過智慧鐵道的雲的這個平台的建置還有其他的系統正在建置當中希望能夠做到更好的整合那像委員所說的沒有錯目前的進度可能不夠好那這個部分我也請杜葳董事長要努力來加強部長跟杜董事長我要提醒你們我們過去啊\n有相當多的安全計畫6年行車安全計畫然後電路智慧化的提升計畫小半徑彎曲的一個改善計畫還有軌道安全的結構的這樣安全計畫現在又多了一個5年的安全計畫計畫不斷\n然後我們現在說要成立相關的安全管理的推動小組我請教一下杜董事長我們在上次重大的災難之後有成立了營運安全處現在又要成立\n安全的管理推動小組來說明一下這個機制到底是要怎麼運作是跟委員報告其實剛剛委員提到我們運工機電的整合這件事情我們就是把他們全部納到安全管理推動小組裡面來由總經理直接的來檢視來訂目標\n讓他們完成那這個其中的整合是有相關聯的那剛剛提到的運安處就是這個推動小組的幕僚單位他要幫總經理跟整個小組做好規劃然後要言語考核要達標\n那他最主要還是根據SNS還有相關的安全管理系統那對於這些跨部門他們相關的運作來訂立一個目標而已嘛是那個我跟委員報告就是SNS裡面有一個很重要的重點是風險管控以往我們都是各行其事是沒有錯啦但是我們公司成立以後我們的風險管控就改了我們現在每一個風險他\n發生的原因以及推到最後面我們要去管控它的改善計畫都包含運、供、機電各部門的配合所以在安全管理推動小組裡面會對我們所有的風險管控就是檢視、考核在修正在之前有營運安全處的成立現在又成立了安全管理推動小組\n計畫不斷小組不斷但是它實際的功效杜董事長在公司化之後必須要拿出具體的一個成績那現在提到智慧鐵道平臺雲智慧鐵道雲的這個平臺好像最近才發包嗎好像還沒有上線嗎還沒有已經發包了10月份發包10月份發包謝謝部長那什麼時候可以預計上線運作呢\n我們跟委員報告我們預計初步的在明年的下半年我們會有幾個主系統可以連上來那全部第一階段的一個連線就上線了我們預計是在115年的上半年\n相關的智慧鐵道員這個平台他主要是來做一個各系統的一個界面的整合能夠讓相關的訊息能夠讓相關的這樣的一個資訊信號能夠做一個整合這是一個很重要的向前邁進一大步這個杜董事長要加強的去落實\n我們現在看到第三代CTC就是中央行車控制系統這是我們很期待的一個新的系統的建制目前這個功能以及相關的建制期程杜董事長說明一下\n來跟委員報告,CTC這個部分我們現在已經報計畫上來了那只要院合訂以後,我們會趕快的來做一個發包的動作那這個CTC裡面,它的所有功能是結合於平台的\n那也就是說未來現場各方各面的資料都可以透過雲平台傳到CTC那CTC的控制員、調度員就可以獲得第一手的資訊這是很重要的我認為這第三代的CTC中央行車控制系統必須加緊建置而且如期如止的要來完成\n杜董事長我請教一下我們講到安全的管理我們例如以平交道的管理來做一個說法平交道它有遮斷器有這樣的相關的義務入侵的偵測以及相關的\nCMT就是這樣的一個集體監測的這樣一個系統或是錄影監測的系統那如何去做好這個平交道的安全管理以這個來做例子你們現在目前的做法是什麼是,現在平交道的安全管理其實我們平交道上的設備應該已經建區齊全了只是這些設備它的資訊以及它的功能就是還需要做即時的傳輸跟整合\n那舉這個平交道的例子比如說我們的錄影監視系統那現在呢調度員看不到那未來透過雲平台呢這個每一個平交道的畫面調度員都可以立即的調出來來審視那平交道的這個機構如果說他有這個衰退或者是他有這個異常現象的現在呢我們的人是要看到表徵發生以後才跑到現場去\n部長都要落實的去督促每天有64萬人次人搭乘臺鐵安全是我們最重要的責任那最後的時間我們對臺鐵員工的待遇這個我知道最近部長跟杜董事長積極的要推動相關的員工福利的一個提升\n在過去啊臺鐵的這個新人的離職率非常的高因為啊他們認為臺鐵啊待遇不夠好然後工作也非常辛苦所以他變成一個我講的非常沒不禮貌就是有點騎驢找馬我先考上臺鐵我再來考其他的單位\n臺鐵變成一個人力培訓中心大家都離職率都非常高尤其是臺鐵那我們看到臺鐵公司人員的離退情形是很嚴重我們到113年就是6月30日為止申請優退禮的人數是達到1399人那如果再加上\n一百一十三年符合退休年齡的人數到一百一十三年底合計退役的人數會達到一千五百四十三人這個部分我們在之前我有\n跟杜董事長我們有努力有成功為臺鐵員工來增加他們營運獎金並入專業佳績而且也增加了危險津貼那現在我們有什麼更進一步的對於臺鐵的員工我們必須要盡到我們照顧的責任要調高從業人員的薪資或是爭取危險的佳績以及夜點費或是地域佳績有什麼更進一步的\n報告委員在這段時間您也花了很多時間跟我討論然後我們也花了一些時間跟臺鐵公司來討論尤其是從業人員的部分從業人員是新進的人員那他們過去的薪資跟原本留任的人員確實是有一定的差距\n那這個部分我們正在努力當中那也應該很快的時間會讓大家看到成果這段時間不管是交通部我們內部的討論或者是到人事總處那邊的討論我們都已經完成了很快的院那邊如果只要核定下來對於從業人員的加薪就會如委員所期待的會有一定的進度會出現那媒體也有報導\n那針對他們的基本底薪的部分大概會增加三千多塊左右啦會增加到大概新聘人員大概一進來大概就三萬六以上的這個薪資那當然還是不夠還有很多該加給的部分我們持續在努力那整套的計畫那個杜董事長這邊杜董事長來簡單再補充一下\n是,剛剛部長指示的這個我們努力以外其實對公司來講我們要留才也是最重要的工作就是讓員工對公司有信心所以我們對於安全跟服務這兩大區塊我們必須要有所進步\n那這個是當然反過來講還是要公司全體員工一致的向心努力才能達成那之前我也有報告過就是在這兩塊有進步的前提之下我們才能吸引客源我們才能夠善用資產那我們如果營業收入因而增加的話那我們調整待遇或者是增加員工福利才有機會做更好的一個發展\n好我今天講的重點就是照顧員工的一個福利啦要提升照顧員工的基本生活及權益最後最後\n部長我們對於高雄的黃線捷運那因為相關的物價上漲總經費增加非常的多那在9月交通部也召開過相關的捷運委員會的一個審查那希望能夠加速相關的行政程序啦另外還有紫線捷運可行性評估也送到交通部了也要加緊相關的行政程序之前委員又來參加審查委員會那這個部分我們來加速謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.450 --> 00:10.582\n謝謝召委,請一下陳部長還有周威董事長、楊振鈞局長楊局長\n\n00:16.211 --> 00:39.889\n部長您好,今天討論的議題早晚安排的是相關臺鐵的服務品質以及資產管理、文化的保存以及相關的鐵道美學等等這些重要的議題其實我們討論到臺鐵,現在每天平均大概有64萬人次搭乘臺鐵\n\n00:41.030 --> 01:09.603\n是一個重要的大眾運輸工具那你認為臺鐵最重要的責任跟工作到底是什麼來說明一下我覺得臺鐵最重要的是安全的確保所有旅客的安全確保這是第一要務那第二當然我們服務的提升也是很重要服務我想64萬人次的旅客我們要給安全準點的這樣的一個重要的責任工作是我們交通部最重要的一個工作那\n\n01:10.123 --> 01:38.632\n我們現在看到臺鐵相關的這些在過去部長應該清楚臺鐵過去有運、工、積、電四個單位那這四個單位在過去的都是各行其事各自獨立運作其實雖然是同一個臺鐵局但是運、工、積、電杜薇董事長是老臺鐵也很清楚整合是有相當大的問題四大角頭\n\n01:39.972 --> 02:00.504\n我們不好處理啦那現在公司化之後杜葳董事長努力要做初步的一個整合但是這個整合我認為啊績效還是不好啦那我請教一下部長我們現在對於臺鐵相關的這些安全工作的整合你目前的態度跟原則是什麼\n\n02:01.464 --> 02:27.596\n當然運供基電四個系統對於整體的安全是相當的重要過去的運行的過程當中整合的不夠好那現在他們透過智慧鐵道的雲的這個平台的建置還有其他的系統正在建置當中希望能夠做到更好的整合那像委員所說的沒有錯目前的進度可能不夠好那這個部分我也請杜葳董事長要努力來加強部長跟杜董事長我要提醒你們我們過去啊\n\n02:28.456 --> 02:46.447\n有相當多的安全計畫6年行車安全計畫然後電路智慧化的提升計畫小半徑彎曲的一個改善計畫還有軌道安全的結構的這樣安全計畫現在又多了一個5年的安全計畫計畫不斷\n\n02:49.793 --> 03:06.061\n然後我們現在說要成立相關的安全管理的推動小組我請教一下杜董事長我們在上次重大的災難之後有成立了營運安全處現在又要成立\n\n03:07.216 --> 03:25.667\n安全的管理推動小組來說明一下這個機制到底是要怎麼運作是跟委員報告其實剛剛委員提到我們運工機電的整合這件事情我們就是把他們全部納到安全管理推動小組裡面來由總經理直接的來檢視來訂目標\n\n03:29.549 --> 03:45.158\n讓他們完成那這個其中的整合是有相關聯的那剛剛提到的運安處就是這個推動小組的幕僚單位他要幫總經理跟整個小組做好規劃然後要言語考核要達標\n\n03:46.670 --> 04:14.798\n那他最主要還是根據SNS還有相關的安全管理系統那對於這些跨部門他們相關的運作來訂立一個目標而已嘛是那個我跟委員報告就是SNS裡面有一個很重要的重點是風險管控以往我們都是各行其事是沒有錯啦但是我們公司成立以後我們的風險管控就改了我們現在每一個風險他\n\n04:17.200 --> 04:42.460\n發生的原因以及推到最後面我們要去管控它的改善計畫都包含運、供、機電各部門的配合所以在安全管理推動小組裡面會對我們所有的風險管控就是檢視、考核在修正在之前有營運安全處的成立現在又成立了安全管理推動小組\n\n04:44.696 --> 05:12.532\n計畫不斷小組不斷但是它實際的功效杜董事長在公司化之後必須要拿出具體的一個成績那現在提到智慧鐵道平臺雲智慧鐵道雲的這個平臺好像最近才發包嗎好像還沒有上線嗎還沒有已經發包了10月份發包10月份發包謝謝部長那什麼時候可以預計上線運作呢\n\n05:13.334 --> 05:26.468\n我們跟委員報告我們預計初步的在明年的下半年我們會有幾個主系統可以連上來那全部第一階段的一個連線就上線了我們預計是在115年的上半年\n\n05:29.931 --> 05:50.311\n相關的智慧鐵道員這個平台他主要是來做一個各系統的一個界面的整合能夠讓相關的訊息能夠讓相關的這樣的一個資訊信號能夠做一個整合這是一個很重要的向前邁進一大步這個杜董事長要加強的去落實\n\n05:51.392 --> 06:05.929\n我們現在看到第三代CTC就是中央行車控制系統這是我們很期待的一個新的系統的建制目前這個功能以及相關的建制期程杜董事長說明一下\n\n06:06.409 --> 06:23.488\n來跟委員報告,CTC這個部分我們現在已經報計畫上來了那只要院合訂以後,我們會趕快的來做一個發包的動作那這個CTC裡面,它的所有功能是結合於平台的\n\n06:24.289 --> 06:46.868\n那也就是說未來現場各方各面的資料都可以透過雲平台傳到CTC那CTC的控制員、調度員就可以獲得第一手的資訊這是很重要的我認為這第三代的CTC中央行車控制系統必須加緊建置而且如期如止的要來完成\n\n06:48.274 --> 07:02.828\n杜董事長我請教一下我們講到安全的管理我們例如以平交道的管理來做一個說法平交道它有遮斷器有這樣的相關的義務入侵的偵測以及相關的\n\n07:03.849 --> 07:32.669\nCMT就是這樣的一個集體監測的這樣一個系統或是錄影監測的系統那如何去做好這個平交道的安全管理以這個來做例子你們現在目前的做法是什麼是,現在平交道的安全管理其實我們平交道上的設備應該已經建區齊全了只是這些設備它的資訊以及它的功能就是還需要做即時的傳輸跟整合\n\n07:33.169 --> 08:01.966\n那舉這個平交道的例子比如說我們的錄影監視系統那現在呢調度員看不到那未來透過雲平台呢這個每一個平交道的畫面調度員都可以立即的調出來來審視那平交道的這個機構如果說他有這個衰退或者是他有這個異常現象的現在呢我們的人是要看到表徵發生以後才跑到現場去\n\n08:02.847 --> 08:23.035\n部長都要落實的去督促每天有64萬人次人搭乘臺鐵安全是我們最重要的責任那最後的時間我們對臺鐵員工的待遇這個我知道最近部長跟杜董事長積極的要推動相關的員工福利的一個提升\n\n08:24.878 --> 08:45.636\n在過去啊臺鐵的這個新人的離職率非常的高因為啊他們認為臺鐵啊待遇不夠好然後工作也非常辛苦所以他變成一個我講的非常沒不禮貌就是有點騎驢找馬我先考上臺鐵我再來考其他的單位\n\n08:47.654 --> 09:10.212\n臺鐵變成一個人力培訓中心大家都離職率都非常高尤其是臺鐵那我們看到臺鐵公司人員的離退情形是很嚴重我們到113年就是6月30日為止申請優退禮的人數是達到1399人那如果再加上\n\n09:11.516 --> 09:27.578\n一百一十三年符合退休年齡的人數到一百一十三年底合計退役的人數會達到一千五百四十三人這個部分我們在之前我有\n\n09:28.419 --> 09:56.147\n跟杜董事長我們有努力有成功為臺鐵員工來增加他們營運獎金並入專業佳績而且也增加了危險津貼那現在我們有什麼更進一步的對於臺鐵的員工我們必須要盡到我們照顧的責任要調高從業人員的薪資或是爭取危險的佳績以及夜點費或是地域佳績有什麼更進一步的\n\n09:56.787 --> 10:13.886\n報告委員在這段時間您也花了很多時間跟我討論然後我們也花了一些時間跟臺鐵公司來討論尤其是從業人員的部分從業人員是新進的人員那他們過去的薪資跟原本留任的人員確實是有一定的差距\n\n10:14.326 --> 10:36.519\n那這個部分我們正在努力當中那也應該很快的時間會讓大家看到成果這段時間不管是交通部我們內部的討論或者是到人事總處那邊的討論我們都已經完成了很快的院那邊如果只要核定下來對於從業人員的加薪就會如委員所期待的會有一定的進度會出現那媒體也有報導\n\n10:37.259 --> 10:55.311\n那針對他們的基本底薪的部分大概會增加三千多塊左右啦會增加到大概新聘人員大概一進來大概就三萬六以上的這個薪資那當然還是不夠還有很多該加給的部分我們持續在努力那整套的計畫那個杜董事長這邊杜董事長來簡單再補充一下\n\n10:57.452 --> 11:15.030\n是,剛剛部長指示的這個我們努力以外其實對公司來講我們要留才也是最重要的工作就是讓員工對公司有信心所以我們對於安全跟服務這兩大區塊我們必須要有所進步\n\n11:15.771 --> 11:43.815\n那這個是當然反過來講還是要公司全體員工一致的向心努力才能達成那之前我也有報告過就是在這兩塊有進步的前提之下我們才能吸引客源我們才能夠善用資產那我們如果營業收入因而增加的話那我們調整待遇或者是增加員工福利才有機會做更好的一個發展\n\n11:44.255 --> 11:51.923\n好我今天講的重點就是照顧員工的一個福利啦要提升照顧員工的基本生活及權益最後最後\n\n11:52.981 --> 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後，杜微董事長努力要做一個初步的整合，但是這個整合，我認為績效還是不好。我請教一下部長，現在對於臺鐵相關的這些安全工作的整合，你目前的態度跟原則是什麼？"],["陳部長世凱：當然運、工、機、電四個系統對於整體的安全相當的重要，過去運行的過程當中整合的不夠好，現在他們透過智慧鐵道雲這個平臺的建置，還有其他的系統正在建置當中，希望能夠做到更好的整合。像委員所說的沒有錯，目前的進度可能不夠好，這個部分我也請杜微董事長要努力來加強。"],["李委員昆澤：部長跟杜董事長，我要提醒你們，我們過去有相當多的安全計畫，包括行車安全改善六年計畫、電務智慧化提升計畫、小半徑曲線路段改善計畫，還有臺鐵軌道結構安全提升計畫，現在又多了一個五年安全提升計畫，計畫不斷。然後我們現在說要成立相關的安全管理推動小組，請教一下杜董事長，我們在上次重大災難之後，有成立營運安全處，現在又要成立安全管理推動小組，說明一下這個機制到底要怎麼運作？"],["杜董事長微：是，跟委員報告，剛剛委員提到我們運、工、機、電的整合這件事情，我們就是把他們全部納到安全管理推動小組裡面來，由總經理直接來檢視、來訂目標讓它們完成，這個其中的整合是有相關聯的。那剛剛提到的運安處，就是這個推動小組的幕僚單位，它要幫總經理跟整個小組做好規劃，然後要嚴予考核，要達標。"],["李委員昆澤：它最主要還是根據SMS還有相關的安全管理系統，對於這些跨部門他們相關的運作來訂立一個目標而已嘛！"],["杜董事長微：是。我跟委員報告，SMS裡面有一個很重要的重點是風險管控，以往我們都是各行其是沒有錯啦，但是我們公司成立以後，我們的風險管控就改了，我們現在每一個風險發生的原因，以及推到最後面我們要去管控它的改善計畫，都包含運、工、機、電各部門的配合，所以在安全管理推動小組裡面會對所有的風險管控檢視、考核，再修正。"],["李委員昆澤：好。部長，之前有營運安全處的成立，現在又成立了安全管理推動小組，計畫不斷、小組不斷啦！但是它實際的功效，杜董事長在公司化之後，必須要拿出具體的成績。","現在提到智慧鐵道雲的平臺，好像最近才發包，好像還沒有上線嘛？"],["杜董事長微：已經發包了。"],["陳部長世凱：10月份發包。"],["李委員昆澤：10月份發包？好，謝謝部長。什麼時候預計可以上線運作呢？"],["杜董事長微：跟委員報告，我們預計初步在明年的下半年，我們會有幾個主系統可以連上來，全部第一階段的連線、上線，我們預計是在115年的上半年。"],["李委員昆澤：好，相關的智慧鐵道雲平臺主要是做各系統介面的整合，能夠讓相關的訊息、資訊、信號做整合，這是很重要的向前邁進一大步啊！杜董事長要加強的去落實這個部分。"],["杜董事長微：是。"],["李委員昆澤：我們現在看到第三代CTC─中央行車控制系統，這是我們很期待的一個新系統的建置，目前這個功能以及相關的建置期程，杜董事長說明一下。"],["杜董事長微：跟委員報告，CTC這個部分，我們現在已經報計畫上來了，只要院核定以後，我們會趕快來做發包的動作，這個CTC裡面的所有功能是結合雲平臺的，也就是未來現場各方各面的資料，都可以透過雲平臺傳到CTC，CTC的控制員、調度員就可以獲得第一手的資訊。"],["李委員昆澤：這是很重要的，我認為第三代的CTC中央行車控制系統必須加緊建置，而且要如期如質的完成。","杜董事長，我請教一下，我們講到安全的管理，例如以平交道的管理來說，平交道當然有遮斷器、有相關異物入侵的偵測以及相關的CNT，就是集體監測的系統或是錄影監測的系統。如何去做好平交道的安全管理？以這個來做例子，你們現在目前的作法是什麼？"],["杜董事長微：是，現在平交道的安全管理，其實我們平交道上的設備應該已經漸趨齊全了，只是這些設備的資訊以及功能還需要做即時的傳輸跟整合，舉平交道的例子，譬如錄影監視系統，現在調度員看不到，未來透過雲平臺，每一個平交道的畫面，調度員都可以立即調出來審視，平交道的機構如果有衰退或者是異常現象，現在我們的人是要看到表徵發生以後，才跑到現場去處理……"],["李委員昆澤：部長，這個都要落實的去督促。"],["陳部長世凱：是，沒問題。"],["李委員昆澤：每天有64萬人次的人搭乘臺鐵，安全是我們最重要的責任。","最後的時間，我們對於臺鐵員工的待遇，我知道最近部長跟杜董事長也積極推動相關員工福利的提升，過去臺鐵的新人離職率非常高，因為他們認為臺鐵待遇不夠好，工作也非常辛苦，我講得非常不禮貌就是，他變成有點騎驢找馬，先考上臺鐵，再來考其他的單位，臺鐵變成一個人力培訓中心，離職率都非常高，尤其是臺鐵。我們看到臺鐵公司人員的離退情形很嚴重，到113年6月30日為止，申請優退離的人數達到1,399人，如果再加上113年符合退休年齡的人數，到113年底合計退離的人數會達到1,543人。這個部分，之前我跟杜董事長，我們有努力，成功為臺鐵員工增加他們營運獎金併入事業加給，而且也增加了危險津貼，現在我們有什麼更進一步的措施？對於臺鐵員工，我們必須要盡到我們照顧的責任，要調高從業人員的薪資或是爭取危險加給，以及夜點費或者是地域加給，有什麼更進一步的方式？請部長。"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，在這段時間您也花了很多時間跟我討論，我們也花了一些時間跟臺鐵公司討論，尤其是從業人員的部分，從業人員是新進的人員，他們過去的薪資跟原本留任的人員確實是有一定的差距，這個部分我們正在努力當中，也應該很快的時間內會讓大家看到成果。這段時間，不管是我們交通部內部的討論，或者是到人事總處那邊的討論，我們都已經完成了，很快的，院那邊如果只要核定下來，對於從業人員的加薪就會如委員所期待的，會有一定的進度出現，媒體也有報導，針對他們基本底薪的部分，大概會增加三千多塊左右，新聘人員一進來大概就是三萬六以上的薪資，當然還是不夠，還有很多該加給的部分，我們持續在努力。"],["李委員昆澤：要繼續努力。"],["陳部長世凱：整套的計畫，杜董事長這邊也……我們一起努力。"],["李委員昆澤：杜董事長，簡單再補充一下。"],["杜董事長微：是，剛剛部長指示的這個部分，我們努力以外，其實對公司來講，我們要留才，最重要的工作就是讓員工對公司有信心，所以對於安全跟服務這兩大區塊，我們必須要有所進步，當然反過來講，這還是要公司全體員工一致的向心努力才能達成。之前我也有報告過，在這兩塊有進步的前提之下，我們才能吸引客源、我們才能夠善用資產，如果營業收入因而增加，對於調整待遇或者是增加員工福利，才有機會做更好的發展。"],["李委員昆澤：好，我今天講的重點就是照顧員工的福利，要提升照顧員工的基本生活及權益。","最後，部長，我們對於高雄的黃線捷運，因為相關的物價上漲，總經費增加非常多，在9月交通部也召開過相關捷運委員會的審查，希望能夠加速相關的行政程序，另外還有紫線捷運，可行性評估也送到交通部了。"],["陳部長世凱：是，沒錯。"],["李委員昆澤：也要加緊相關的行政程序。"],["陳部長世凱：好，我們會加速。之前委員也有來參加審查委員會，這個部分我們來加速，謝謝。"],["李委員昆澤：好，謝謝。謝謝召委。"],["主席：謝謝李昆澤委員。","我們先來確認一下上次會議的議事錄。在座各位委員對於上次會議議事錄，有沒有意見？（無）沒有，議事錄確定。","接下來有請林國成委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":288,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-7","speakers":["魯明哲","李昆澤","林國成","許智傑","林沛祥","何欣純","陳素月","林俊憲","徐富癸","蔡其昌","廖先翔","邱若華","陳雪生","郭國文","王育敏","陳亭妃","陳菁徽","徐巧芯","黃國昌","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","林月琴","林倩綺","洪孟楷","楊瓊瓔","蔡易餘","陳培瑜","劉建國","游顥","黃健豪"],"page_start":197,"meetingDate":["2024-10-23"],"gazette_id":"1139001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139001_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長杜微及文化部就「臺鐵如何精進\n服務品質、落實轉型治理、加速資產活化、強化文資保存及提升鐵道美學與功能」進行專題報\n告，並備質詢；二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長就「我國軌道建設執行概況」進行專題報告，並備質\n詢；三、邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男、數位發展部資通安全署署長及國防部就「國防部財產申報\n作業誤失之問題檢討、應處作為、風險管控及後續強化資安保護」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1139001_00004"}}}