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00:02:23,581\n你認為它的設計因為我們大家知道車體是日本的但是內裝是我們台灣的那所以在這裡你有沒有去發現到這個新車型的當中當然是我們的歇頭\n\n8\n00:02:24,642 --> 00:02:37,712\n也是我們改變形象的第一關那你認為杜董事長你有沒有去發現到三千型的這些新制強號他有什麼缺點沒有你們有沒有去發現\n\n9\n00:02:39,168 --> 00:03:00,721\n跟委員報告其實三千型自強號有剛剛委員講的這種方式也是我們推動國產化中間的一環那的確這個車子進來其實它整體表現以我的經驗是不錯的但是呢的確也有一些細節是有待改善的\n\n10\n00:03:02,042 --> 00:03:28,422\n舉例呢我看看你們有沒有自己有沒有發現是是是比如說這個3000型他的座椅因為當初在設計的時候我們是以防火安全性為前提那再過來就是服衣美學所以座椅的部分可能在旅客舒適度跟使用便利度方面還有進步的空間好\n\n11\n00:03:29,591 --> 00:03:40,101\n杜總長我這裡所接到的我們的客戶所承坐以後他的感受第一個他的座椅根本不舒服啊\n\n12\n00:03:41,769 --> 00:04:02,546\n不要談美學人工基本的這些人工美學都不足所以這個部分我想建議杜董事長你們既然有改造小組這些東西更小的東西做到零缺點就等於你們的品質是提升的\n\n13\n00:04:03,907 --> 00:04:12,718\n連這些座椅最基本的都沒有辦法改進你說你改進品質你要漲價我可以跟你講部長\n\n14\n00:04:14,631 --> 00:04:39,362\n老百姓絕對緩談第一個座椅的問題既然是我們台灣做的那為什麼會做成這樣欸台灣各項的品質啊不亞於任何一個國家啦所以為什麼會做成這樣所以杜董事長這個要記起來第二個欸充電器既然有這個水準你把它藏在底下幹什麼\n\n15\n00:04:40,575 --> 00:05:08,167\n沒有人看到我要插這個插頭的時候我還要低下來那個起來的時候打到椅子受傷的時候本來是一個很好的插頭你為什麼要害他受傷呢這個也是設計不良設計不良另外一個最簡單的既然可以放杯子裡面你設計那麼小幹什麼\n\n16\n00:05:10,185 --> 00:05:11,246\n二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長\n\n17\n00:05:28,112 --> 00:05:53,486\n車體進來是我們要創新的一種讓人家感覺我是有什麼新車不是說坐我台鐵都坐那個古老古潮的車這是很好的但是為什麼這麼簡單的小問題你們都沒有去發現報告委員您所提示的這個剛好也是我自己曾做的經驗當時我有跟杜董事長討論那也確實要做改進是不是請杜董事長可以\n\n18\n00:05:53,786 --> 00:06:10,641\n跟委員報告剛剛委員講的這三個包括座椅的舒適度的改善還有衝動座移設都董事長來你不要占用我的時間我提供給你們就是把它列入你們列入檢討的一封我們已經在改善\n\n19\n00:06:11,221 --> 00:06:31,370\n所以這些東西所以我們說實在民意代表本來發現問題就提供給你們做參考但是就是要看你們做與不做這個問題但是我不希望我個人在整個政界在執行的時候我提供給你你沒有給我答案\n\n20\n00:06:32,512 --> 00:06:58,321\n請你放心下一次有機會我們會拜託召委還在排那個時候我講話就不太客氣所以杜董你把它列下來雖然小問題但是因為小問題解決就沒有大問題所以就沒有大問題所以小問題解決自然品質就會上來所以我要給杜董事長\n\n21\n00:06:59,545 --> 00:07:27,194\n也要拜託我們部長你是一個年輕有為所以我希望跟別人不一樣小問題立委所指正的東西就是你們改進的方向嘛所以我希望我們臺鐵是要借進日本的機會到現在為止臺鐵只有一個做的讓我感覺到非常歷史悠久、認念不忘的就是你們的便當\n\n22\n00:07:28,618 --> 00:07:46,189\n你們的便當但是你們的便當你們為什麼會這樣你們跟日本是連結起來的他改進你們也進步那我們進步他也改進這樣的起來這種東西到現在為止人家是肯定的有沒有辦法我們臺鐵公司能夠\n\n23\n00:07:50,191 --> 00:07:51,333\n二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長就\n\n24\n00:08:06,946 --> 00:08:30,702\n官某捷運所以這幾點我也要拜託部長要去監督杜董事長你要拿出你的魄力另外一個這個跟部長就有關部長上任以後我很欽佩的就是你到台中車站的時候第一個也就是我們安全閘門的問題台鐵現在都沒有捷運有了高鐵有\n\n25\n00:08:35,985 --> 00:08:55,852\n我們是國營,你們都不重視這種安全道這些問題嗎?所以,部長,來,要做還是不做?這個我們在10月份會做決標第一個適用的月台門會在高雄來試辦那我們希望在明年底之前先做好\n\n26\n00:08:56,192 --> 00:09:19,127\n好先做好第一個那如果因為我們的呃臺鐵系統比較複雜一些他的閘門的每一臺車的門的位置都不一樣所以那閘門會比較特殊一點好那這個部分我們先事辦如果高雄事辦的成效不錯那我們就會開始爭取預算我們希望在人比較人潮比較多的月台我們優先來施作這個沒有啦六六都裡面你像\n\n27\n00:09:19,867 --> 00:09:38,462\n你像臺中啊臺北啊這是人口比較密集的地方啊說實在話這個要盡快做可是有一點喔部長我跟你投訴我看來看去你們沒有預算有啦1.5億的預算是高雄的那個試用的這個月台門\n\n28\n00:09:38,962 --> 00:09:53,293\n那那個做好之後我們就會再爭取新的預算如果做得好的話我們會爭取適用的部分有編列一定有有有我們編在那個一般建築有一般建築所以我看沒有專案的編列預算我還是很仔細\n\n29\n00:09:54,153 --> 00:10:16,386\n去注意一下你是編列到一般的建築裡面是不是是是是所以這個要特別我們115年會有一個專案的處理好啦部長我相信啦因為你發現問題就已經把老百姓所需要的東西你已經看到安全非常重要所以我們一年啊我們一年啊\n\n30\n00:10:17,662 --> 00:10:41,002\n是跌下去那個鐵道死了不少人欸杜董事長這個要特別小心所以我還是要鼓勵杜董事長還有請求我們這個陳部長要有潛力的去監督讓用一年、三年、五年把臺鐵偷胎放骨\n\n31\n00:10:41,922 --> 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座椅的問題既然是我們台灣做的那為什麼會做成這樣欸 台灣各項的品質啊不亞於任何一個國家啦所以為什麼會做成這樣所以 杜董事長 這個要記起來第二個欸 充電器 既然有這個水準你把它藏在底下幹什麼\n280575\t308167\t沒有人看到我要插這個插頭的時候我還要低下來那個起來的時候打到椅子受傷的時候本來是一個很好的插頭你為什麼要害他受傷呢這個也是設計不良設計不良另外一個最簡單的既然可以放杯子裡面你設計那麼小幹什麼\n310185\t311246\t二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長\n328112\t353486\t車體進來是我們要創新的一種讓人家感覺我是有什麼新車不是說坐我台鐵都坐那個古老古潮的車這是很好的但是為什麼這麼簡單的小問題你們都沒有去發現報告委員您所提示的這個剛好也是我自己曾做的經驗當時我有跟杜董事長討論那也確實要做改進是不是請杜董事長可以\n353786\t370641\t跟委員報告剛剛委員講的這三個包括座椅的舒適度的改善還有衝動座移設都董事長來你不要占用我的時間我提供給你們就是把它列入你們列入檢討的一封我們已經在改善\n371221\t391370\t所以這些東西所以我們說實在民意代表本來發現問題就提供給你們做參考但是就是要看你們做與不做這個問題但是我不希望我個人在整個政界在執行的時候我提供給你你沒有給我答案\n392512\t418321\t請你放心 下一次有機會我們會拜託召委還在排 那個時候我講話就不太客氣所以杜董你把它列下來雖然小問題但是因為小問題解決就沒有大問題所以就沒有大問題所以小問題解決自然品質就會上來所以我要給杜董事長\n419545\t447194\t也要拜託我們部長你是一個年輕有為所以我希望跟別人不一樣小問題立委所指正的東西就是你們改進的方向嘛所以我希望我們臺鐵是要借進日本的機會到現在為止臺鐵只有一個做的讓我感覺到非常歷史悠久、認念不忘的就是你們的便當\n448618\t466189\t你們的便當但是你們的便當你們為什麼會這樣你們跟日本是連結起來的他改進你們也進步那我們進步他也改進這樣的起來這種東西到現在為止人家是肯定的有沒有辦法我們臺鐵公司能夠\n470191\t471333\t二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長就\n486946\t510702\t官某捷運所以這幾點我也要拜託部長要去監督杜董事長你要拿出你的魄力另外一個這個跟部長就有關部長上任以後我很欽佩的就是你到台中車站的時候第一個也就是我們安全閘門的問題台鐵現在都沒有捷運有了高鐵有\n515985\t535852\t我們是國營,你們都不重視這種安全道這些問題嗎?所以,部長,來,要做還是不做?這個我們在10月份會做決標第一個適用的月台門會在高雄來試辦那我們希望在明年底之前先做好\n536192\t559127\t好先做好第一個那如果因為我們的呃臺鐵系統比較複雜一些他的閘門的每一臺車的門的位置都不一樣所以那閘門會比較特殊一點好那這個部分我們先事辦如果高雄事辦的成效不錯那我們就會開始爭取預算我們希望在人比較人潮比較多的月台我們優先來施作這個沒有啦六六都裡面你像\n559867\t578462\t你像臺中啊臺北啊這是人口比較密集的地方啊說實在話這個要盡快做可是有一點喔部長我跟你投訴我看來看去你們沒有預算有啦1.5億的預算是高雄的那個試用的這個月台門\n578962\t593293\t那那個做好之後我們就會再爭取新的預算如果做得好的話我們會爭取適用的部分有編列一定有有有我們編在那個一般建築有一般建築所以我看沒有專案的編列預算我還是很仔細\n594153\t616386\t去注意一下你是編列到一般的建築裡面是不是是是是所以這個要特別我們115年會有一個專案的處理好啦部長我相信啦因為你發現問題就已經把老百姓所需要的東西你已經看到安全非常重要所以我們一年啊我們一年啊\n617662\t641002\t是跌下去那個鐵道死了不少人欸杜董事長這個要特別小心所以我還是要鼓勵杜董事長還有請求我們這個陳部長要有潛力的去監督讓用一年、三年、五年把臺鐵偷胎放骨\n641922\t646446\t這樣大家才會對交通部、對台鐵有信心好不好好 謝謝\n","txt":"主席請我們交通部陳部長陳部長還有我們臺鐵公司杜董事長杜董事長\n好部長董事長早委員早我想這樣啦因為我們交通委員會針對臺鐵當然期待也算蠻高的啦那當然今天有一些有關的一個單位\n也通通來包括什麼文化、鐵道文化等等這些那就代表什麼就代表本委員會的委員確實對於臺鐵公司整個改造是非常重視的那第一個本席比較重視的是安全還有品質\n所以這兩者之間有了品質才有漲價的空間有了安全、理克才有信心去做臺鐵所以以我個人所了解從基層到現在為止我一直在鼓勵杜董事長還有我們臺鐵所有的員工\n也就是改為民營化、國營公司化的時候確確實實有很多的空間是真的董事長跟董事會就可以去做決定那我這裡有兩個問題就必須要請教我們杜董事長\n第一個到底我們現在3000型的新的自強號你們有沒有發現到現在交車的時候現在到底他這個新車種這3000型的新車種\n你認為它的設計因為我們大家知道車體是日本的但是內裝是我們台灣的那所以在這裡你有沒有去發現到這個新車型的當中當然是我們的歇頭\n也是我們改變形象的第一關那你認為杜董事長你有沒有去發現到三千型的這些新制強號他有什麼缺點沒有你們有沒有去發現\n跟委員報告其實三千型自強號有剛剛委員講的這種方式也是我們推動國產化中間的一環那的確這個車子進來其實它整體表現以我的經驗是不錯的但是呢的確也有一些細節是有待改善的\n舉例呢我看看你們有沒有自己有沒有發現是是是比如說這個3000型他的座椅因為當初在設計的時候我們是以防火安全性為前提那再過來就是服衣美學所以座椅的部分可能在旅客舒適度跟使用便利度方面還有進步的空間好\n杜總長我這裡所接到的我們的客戶所承坐以後他的感受第一個他的座椅根本不舒服啊\n不要談美學人工基本的這些人工美學都不足所以這個部分我想建議杜董事長你們既然有改造小組這些東西更小的東西做到零缺點就等於你們的品質是提升的\n連這些座椅最基本的都沒有辦法改進你說你改進品質你要漲價我可以跟你講部長\n老百姓絕對緩談第一個 座椅的問題既然是我們台灣做的那為什麼會做成這樣欸 台灣各項的品質啊不亞於任何一個國家啦所以為什麼會做成這樣所以 杜董事長 這個要記起來第二個欸 充電器 既然有這個水準你把它藏在底下幹什麼\n沒有人看到我要插這個插頭的時候我還要低下來那個起來的時候打到椅子受傷的時候本來是一個很好的插頭你為什麼要害他受傷呢這個也是設計不良設計不良另外一個最簡單的既然可以放杯子裡面你設計那麼小幹什麼\n二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長\n車體進來是我們要創新的一種讓人家感覺我是有什麼新車不是說坐我台鐵都坐那個古老古潮的車這是很好的但是為什麼這麼簡單的小問題你們都沒有去發現報告委員您所提示的這個剛好也是我自己曾做的經驗當時我有跟杜董事長討論那也確實要做改進是不是請杜董事長可以\n跟委員報告剛剛委員講的這三個包括座椅的舒適度的改善還有衝動座移設都董事長來你不要占用我的時間我提供給你們就是把它列入你們列入檢討的一封我們已經在改善\n所以這些東西所以我們說實在民意代表本來發現問題就提供給你們做參考但是就是要看你們做與不做這個問題但是我不希望我個人在整個政界在執行的時候我提供給你你沒有給我答案\n請你放心 下一次有機會我們會拜託召委還在排 那個時候我講話就不太客氣所以杜董你把它列下來雖然小問題但是因為小問題解決就沒有大問題所以就沒有大問題所以小問題解決自然品質就會上來所以我要給杜董事長\n也要拜託我們部長你是一個年輕有為所以我希望跟別人不一樣小問題立委所指正的東西就是你們改進的方向嘛所以我希望我們臺鐵是要借進日本的機會到現在為止臺鐵只有一個做的讓我感覺到非常歷史悠久、認念不忘的就是你們的便當\n你們的便當但是你們的便當你們為什麼會這樣你們跟日本是連結起來的他改進你們也進步那我們進步他也改進這樣的起來這種東西到現在為止人家是肯定的有沒有辦法我們臺鐵公司能夠\n二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長就\n官某捷運所以這幾點我也要拜託部長要去監督杜董事長你要拿出你的魄力另外一個這個跟部長就有關部長上任以後我很欽佩的就是你到台中車站的時候第一個也就是我們安全閘門的問題台鐵現在都沒有捷運有了高鐵有\n我們是國營,你們都不重視這種安全道這些問題嗎?所以,部長,來,要做還是不做?這個我們在10月份會做決標第一個適用的月台門會在高雄來試辦那我們希望在明年底之前先做好\n好先做好第一個那如果因為我們的呃臺鐵系統比較複雜一些他的閘門的每一臺車的門的位置都不一樣所以那閘門會比較特殊一點好那這個部分我們先事辦如果高雄事辦的成效不錯那我們就會開始爭取預算我們希望在人比較人潮比較多的月台我們優先來施作這個沒有啦六六都裡面你像\n你像臺中啊臺北啊這是人口比較密集的地方啊說實在話這個要盡快做可是有一點喔部長我跟你投訴我看來看去你們沒有預算有啦1.5億的預算是高雄的那個試用的這個月台門\n那那個做好之後我們就會再爭取新的預算如果做得好的話我們會爭取適用的部分有編列一定有有有我們編在那個一般建築有一般建築所以我看沒有專案的編列預算我還是很仔細\n去注意一下你是編列到一般的建築裡面是不是是是是所以這個要特別我們115年會有一個專案的處理好啦部長我相信啦因為你發現問題就已經把老百姓所需要的東西你已經看到安全非常重要所以我們一年啊我們一年啊\n是跌下去那個鐵道死了不少人欸杜董事長這個要特別小心所以我還是要鼓勵杜董事長還有請求我們這個陳部長要有潛力的去監督讓用一年、三年、五年把臺鐵偷胎放骨\n這樣大家才會對交通部、對台鐵有信心好不好好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.700 --> 00:08.435\n主席請我們交通部陳部長陳部長還有我們臺鐵公司杜董事長杜董事長\n\n00:17.469 --> 00:32.047\n好部長董事長早委員早我想這樣啦因為我們交通委員會針對臺鐵當然期待也算蠻高的啦那當然今天有一些有關的一個單位\n\n00:33.388 --> 00:57.847\n也通通來包括什麼文化、鐵道文化等等這些那就代表什麼就代表本委員會的委員確實對於臺鐵公司整個改造是非常重視的那第一個本席比較重視的是安全還有品質\n\n00:59.352 --> 01:21.190\n所以這兩者之間有了品質才有漲價的空間有了安全、理克才有信心去做臺鐵所以以我個人所了解從基層到現在為止我一直在鼓勵杜董事長還有我們臺鐵所有的員工\n\n01:22.540 --> 01:43.926\n也就是改為民營化、國營公司化的時候確確實實有很多的空間是真的董事長跟董事會就可以去做決定那我這裡有兩個問題就必須要請教我們杜董事長\n\n01:45.606 --> 02:02.881\n第一個到底我們現在3000型的新的自強號你們有沒有發現到現在交車的時候現在到底他這個新車種這3000型的新車種\n\n02:07.265 --> 02:23.581\n你認為它的設計因為我們大家知道車體是日本的但是內裝是我們台灣的那所以在這裡你有沒有去發現到這個新車型的當中當然是我們的歇頭\n\n02:24.642 --> 02:37.712\n也是我們改變形象的第一關那你認為杜董事長你有沒有去發現到三千型的這些新制強號他有什麼缺點沒有你們有沒有去發現\n\n02:39.168 --> 03:00.721\n跟委員報告其實三千型自強號有剛剛委員講的這種方式也是我們推動國產化中間的一環那的確這個車子進來其實它整體表現以我的經驗是不錯的但是呢的確也有一些細節是有待改善的\n\n03:02.042 --> 03:28.422\n舉例呢我看看你們有沒有自己有沒有發現是是是比如說這個3000型他的座椅因為當初在設計的時候我們是以防火安全性為前提那再過來就是服衣美學所以座椅的部分可能在旅客舒適度跟使用便利度方面還有進步的空間好\n\n03:29.591 --> 03:40.101\n杜總長我這裡所接到的我們的客戶所承坐以後他的感受第一個他的座椅根本不舒服啊\n\n03:41.769 --> 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