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00:01:34,056\n短時強降雨其實我覺得極端氣候之後時常會遇到所以過去有一些過去有一些不太會淹的地方可能現在都會淹那過去淹水頻率低的地方現在可能也會變高所以對於那個車站的排水的短期的改善目前臺鐵已經在做準備那也已經在做計畫準備要做短期的這個排水的改善那這個部分大概是一個部分\n\n5\n00:01:35,076 --> 00:01:52,567\n其實我這邊要提議一件事以前曾經就有委員提過有關暖暖車站的鐵路外移因為現在這個平交道嚴格講起來是在暖暖市暖暖的市區的中心那為什麼我會再重新提這個案子的原因是說一方面這個能夠把我們現在遇到的淹水問題能夠徹底解決\n\n6\n00:01:56,930 --> 00:02:19,416\n第二、對於北迴鐵路如果從路面上來看的話南南鐵道如果能夠外移成功那會對於整個北迴鐵路可以所謂的接彎取直可以對於整個北迴鐵路的量能跟班次能夠做增加嚴格講起來對我們整個北迴鐵路的capacity、量能是有很長處的發展的\n\n7\n00:02:21,657 --> 00:02:44,089\n第三個也是因為暖暖市區暖暖區現在因為這個溢出效應都會去溢出效應的結果不管是在基隆市現在房價都在漲房價都在漲建案也在蓋但是生活機能的增加是要靠都市計畫是要靠有關空地出來才能把這邊不管是醫院學校還是各方面的機能\n\n8\n00:02:44,449 --> 00:03:02,129\n所以變成是說如果能夠鐵路能夠外移到我記得是趙淵遠路的話會對於這個我們整個暖暖基隆市暖暖市區這邊的幫助會相當大那不知道部長可不可以幫協助說這方面先做個可行性研究看是否能夠能夠把這鐵路外移這件事情解決\n\n9\n00:03:03,130 --> 00:03:30,502\n您在建議的如果對北迴縣來講的話是一個安全比較好的狀態底下我剛有說過如果在極端氣候之下那個地方時常在淹水那我們短期的這個排水的部分做完之後如果成效不好的話那確實是有可能需要去討論到有沒有要改線或改道的部分那這個部分因為是蠻大的議題委員您交代那我們先內部先來做討論一下研議一下看有沒有這樣的可能性\n\n10\n00:03:31,502 --> 00:03:57,884\n委員剛剛有說過過去很像有討論過這個議題那我們也會調出說過去討論這個議題的過程當中遇到哪些困難點那我們一起來拿出來討論我記得20年前劉恩軒委員跟徐少平委員都曾經一起討論過這個議題所以說這個議題後來不知道為什麼事情嚴格了但是現在遇到極端氣候同樣的地方又發生同樣的事情所以我覺得這個案子我會建議說真的拿出來好好討論一下我們拿出來討論\n\n11\n00:03:59,605 --> 00:04:19,608\n好那那第二個是有關實事題啊最近除了這個暖暖這個鐵路淹水之外其實上個禮拜五那國道國道一號在暖暖交通道附近火燒車昨天那又遇到說在國道一號北國道一號南下遇到火遇到貨櫃車結果遇到貨櫃車然後是跑馬故障\n\n12\n00:04:20,749 --> 00:04:40,050\n昨天晚上又遇到說北上的時候遇到很我人在9026我人在南港展覽館所以我那時候可能直接跟公路局的公路學科長直接有點抱怨那可是我同時事件我有收到其他四條線也是一個半小時上不了車的狀況甚至在今天早上\n\n13\n00:04:40,811 --> 00:04:55,187\n在汐止大同路上面的火災都造成說直接的汐止大同路上面的火災造成我剛剛九點半的時候這邊這個這個這個用車才才疏解所以連續連續兩天我們就是三次尖峰失散的大塞車\n\n14\n00:04:56,028 --> 00:04:57,910\n二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長進行專題報告。三、邀請交通部鐵道局局長進行專題報告\n\n15\n00:05:21,890 --> 00:05:45,520\n臺北的這些站點全部載完該站的乘客之後直接到直接回基隆可是不用經過本來預定的路線假使國營現在是直報也就是說每小時不到10公里的時速那是不是可以直接走三高當我們看從1968還是從其他的建設系統看到三高其實是暢通的是可以疏散的是不是有這個機制那如何能夠啟動\n\n16\n00:05:48,127 --> 00:06:07,786\n報告委員您說的這個機制我覺得相當重要像國道5號它也有國道客運那當它擁塞的時候我有問我們公路局的同仁有沒有這樣子的SOP可以讓他不要走國道5號我們走其他的線因為對旅客來說我上站的地方有辦法上我要下站的地方有辦法下就好\n\n17\n00:06:08,186 --> 00:06:25,842\n但中間經過國道這個部分他不會很介意啦當然希望可以快但當不能快的時候如果需要轉道的部分可不可以那我們的同仁跟我回應是可以的這個沒有問題那基隆確實我們這段時間有看到那個交流道攤方啦或者是火燒車等等的問題有時候國道1號確實不能走了\n\n18\n00:06:27,503 --> 00:06:57,098\n那這個也牽扯到路權的問題那客運他不會主動說想要轉道那但因為有這個路權的限制但如果我們有一套的SOP建立起來跟地方政府也好跟客運業者也好講好如果國道1號很擁塞的狀況底下可不可以繞道其他的地方上站點跟下站點一樣那國道的部分我們可以用一個臨時路權的方案那這個部分委員您交代我們來研究這個部分應該是可行可以做得到的\n\n19\n00:06:57,318 --> 00:07:26,235\n我覺得這上面來講不只是公路局還有高工局這兩邊要互相能夠一起演繹這個事因為當下高工局發現說這邊路上那個高速公路上面已經發生事故已經擁受到不行了甚至在尖峰時段已經影響到整個通勤交通的時候那這時候緊急應變其實要早點出來所以早出來的話我認為說其實不會有人是會介意多繞點路可是大家都不喜歡塞車因為塞車不知道什麼時候能解決\n\n20\n00:07:26,795 --> 00:07:43,707\n而且尤其是在臺北在等車的人他們看到車子沒有來他們期待在那邊等車已經很辛苦了可是在那邊等著車子卻不知道什麼時候來他們的怒氣跟怨氣是直接對於不管是誰不管是地方政府還是中央政府他們直接怒氣是直接衝著\n\n21\n00:07:44,387 --> 00:08:11,717\n衝著我們公部門的不作為而來的那這公部門也沒辦法遲遲的跟他們解釋當下也無法解釋清楚你不可能在這個收購百貨前面跟他們講說現在在塞車因為現在我也不知道怎麼去做這件事情但是他們會期待說不要等一個小時半在臺北只好等著塞車回基隆這點是我必須要跟部長說這邊請部長這邊要大力大力去推動這個案子是這個部分我們來跟客運業者大家來協調一個臨時應變的機會\n\n22\n00:08:13,658 --> 00:08:26,524\n還有另外一個就是也是我今天針對今天早上這個大同路戲那個戲子大同路火災所想到的我記得上個會期好像有提過說要把國一從五堵這邊要拓寬對吧\n\n23\n00:08:27,765 --> 00:08:44,768\n五堵到五堵到七堵這邊要拓寬的案子這個可能要請這個那個部長之後日後要追蹤一下那我期待說我回去幫那邊現場辦個會館因為目前看起來不管什麼時段從那個汐止到五堵這邊永遠是塞車的\n\n24\n00:08:45,749 --> 00:09:11,302\n市中原是拆車的除非半夜不然從北上五堵汐止到五堵這邊天天在拆車甚至有人跟我提過說能不能直接開放路間直接遍地三條線那當然是對安全來講是很大的危險但是我會覺得說這個案子這個拓寬的案子我記得上個會期就有委員提到這個事情那我覺得這個案子的話請交通部這邊給我們一個報告甚至跟我們講騎乘那怎麼樣去做會更好一點好不好好謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8013\t16675\t謝謝主席有請陳部長還有交通部陳部長鐵道局楊局長跟我們台鐵的杜董事長杜董事長\n25613\t54429\t呃部長我記得沒有錯的話這個應該是週末的時候基隆有強降雨那在於暖暖車站那邊發生說鐵那個軌道就直接被這個淋濕的豪大豪大雨給淹沒那這個造成是說當地的這個旁邊在他們這些neighboring community就是旁邊鄰近的住戶還有整個鐵還有整個北回鐵路尤其在暖暖端這邊我記得沒有錯北回鐵路是暖暖端是必須必經之道\n55089\t70142\t那變成是說這個雖然很快就雨就散掉了但是畢竟來講這整個癱瘓了整個北匯鐵路系統那我就想請問說那現在那個狀況目前要怎麼樣去把它改善目前短期間怎麼把它改善\n70882\t94056\t短時強降雨其實我覺得極端氣候之後時常會遇到所以過去有一些過去有一些不太會淹的地方可能現在都會淹那過去淹水頻率低的地方現在可能也會變高所以對於那個車站的排水的短期的改善目前臺鐵已經在做準備那也已經在做計畫準備要做短期的這個排水的改善那這個部分大概是一個部分\n95076\t112567\t其實我這邊要提議一件事以前曾經就有委員提過有關暖暖車站的鐵路外移因為現在這個平交道嚴格講起來是在暖暖市暖暖的市區的中心那為什麼我會再重新提這個案子的原因是說一方面這個能夠把我們現在遇到的淹水問題能夠徹底解決\n116930\t139416\t第二、對於北迴鐵路如果從路面上來看的話南南鐵道如果能夠外移成功那會對於整個北迴鐵路可以所謂的接彎取直可以對於整個北迴鐵路的量能跟班次能夠做增加嚴格講起來對我們整個北迴鐵路的capacity、量能是有很長處的發展的\n141657\t164089\t第三個也是因為暖暖市區暖暖區現在因為這個溢出效應都會去溢出效應的結果不管是在基隆市現在房價都在漲房價都在漲建案也在蓋但是生活機能的增加是要靠都市計畫是要靠有關空地出來才能把這邊不管是醫院學校還是各方面的機能\n164449\t182129\t所以變成是說如果能夠鐵路能夠外移到我記得是趙淵遠路的話會對於這個我們整個暖暖基隆市暖暖市區這邊的幫助會相當大那不知道部長可不可以幫協助說這方面先做個可行性研究看是否能夠能夠把這鐵路外移這件事情解決\n183130\t210502\t您在建議的如果對北迴縣來講的話是一個安全比較好的狀態底下我剛有說過如果在極端氣候之下那個地方時常在淹水那我們短期的這個排水的部分做完之後如果成效不好的話那確實是有可能需要去討論到有沒有要改線或改道的部分那這個部分因為是蠻大的議題委員您交代那我們先內部先來做討論一下研議一下看有沒有這樣的可能性\n211502\t237884\t委員剛剛有說過過去很像有討論過這個議題那我們也會調出說過去討論這個議題的過程當中遇到哪些困難點那我們一起來拿出來討論我記得20年前劉恩軒委員跟徐少平委員都曾經一起討論過這個議題所以說這個議題後來不知道為什麼事情嚴格了但是現在遇到極端氣候同樣的地方又發生同樣的事情所以我覺得這個案子我會建議說真的拿出來好好討論一下我們拿出來討論\n239605\t259608\t好那那第二個是有關實事題啊最近除了這個暖暖這個鐵路淹水之外其實上個禮拜五那國道國道一號在暖暖交通道附近火燒車昨天那又遇到說在國道一號北國道一號南下遇到火遇到貨櫃車結果遇到貨櫃車然後是跑馬故障\n260749\t280050\t昨天晚上又遇到說北上的時候遇到很我人在9026我人在南港展覽館所以我那時候可能直接跟公路局的公路學科長直接有點抱怨那可是我同時事件我有收到其他四條線也是一個半小時上不了車的狀況甚至在今天早上\n280811\t295187\t在汐止大同路上面的火災都造成說直接的汐止大同路上面的火災造成我剛剛九點半的時候這邊這個這個這個用車才才疏解所以連續連續兩天我們就是三次尖峰失散的大塞車\n296028\t297910\t二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長進行專題報告。三、邀請交通部鐵道局局長進行專題報告\n321890\t345520\t臺北的這些站點全部載完該站的乘客之後直接到直接回基隆可是不用經過本來預定的路線假使國營現在是直報也就是說每小時不到10公里的時速那是不是可以直接走三高當我們看從1968還是從其他的建設系統看到三高其實是暢通的是可以疏散的是不是有這個機制那如何能夠啟動\n348127\t367786\t報告委員您說的這個機制我覺得相當重要像國道5號它也有國道客運那當它擁塞的時候我有問我們公路局的同仁有沒有這樣子的SOP可以讓他不要走國道5號我們走其他的線因為對旅客來說我上站的地方有辦法上我要下站的地方有辦法下就好\n368186\t385842\t但中間經過國道這個部分他不會很介意啦當然希望可以快但當不能快的時候如果需要轉道的部分可不可以那我們的同仁跟我回應是可以的這個沒有問題那基隆確實我們這段時間有看到那個交流道攤方啦或者是火燒車等等的問題有時候國道1號確實不能走了\n387503\t417098\t那這個也牽扯到路權的問題那客運他不會主動說想要轉道那但因為有這個路權的限制但如果我們有一套的SOP建立起來跟地方政府也好跟客運業者也好講好如果國道1號很擁塞的狀況底下可不可以繞道其他的地方上站點跟下站點一樣那國道的部分我們可以用一個臨時路權的方案那這個部分委員您交代我們來研究這個部分應該是可行可以做得到的\n417318\t446235\t我覺得這上面來講不只是公路局還有高工局這兩邊要互相能夠一起演繹這個事因為當下高工局發現說這邊路上那個高速公路上面已經發生事故已經擁受到不行了甚至在尖峰時段已經影響到整個通勤交通的時候那這時候緊急應變其實要早點出來所以早出來的話我認為說其實不會有人是會介意多繞點路可是大家都不喜歡塞車因為塞車不知道什麼時候能解決\n446795\t463707\t而且尤其是在臺北在等車的人他們看到車子沒有來他們期待在那邊等車已經很辛苦了可是在那邊等著車子卻不知道什麼時候來他們的怒氣跟怨氣是直接對於不管是誰不管是地方政府還是中央政府他們直接怒氣是直接衝著\n464387\t491717\t衝著我們公部門的不作為而來的那這公部門也沒辦法遲遲的跟他們解釋當下也無法解釋清楚你不可能在這個收購百貨前面跟他們講說現在在塞車因為現在我也不知道怎麼去做這件事情但是他們會期待說不要等一個小時半在臺北只好等著塞車回基隆這點是我必須要跟部長說這邊請部長這邊要大力大力去推動這個案子是這個部分我們來跟客運業者大家來協調一個臨時應變的機會\n493658\t506524\t還有另外一個就是也是我今天針對今天早上這個大同路戲那個戲子大同路火災所想到的我記得上個會期好像有提過說要把國一從五堵這邊要拓寬對吧\n507765\t524768\t五堵到五堵到七堵這邊要拓寬的案子這個可能要請這個那個部長之後日後要追蹤一下那我期待說我回去幫那邊現場辦個會館因為目前看起來不管什麼時段從那個汐止到五堵這邊永遠是塞車的\n525749\t551302\t市中原是拆車的除非半夜不然從北上五堵汐止到五堵這邊天天在拆車甚至有人跟我提過說能不能直接開放路間直接遍地三條線那當然是對安全來講是很大的危險但是我會覺得說這個案子這個拓寬的案子我記得上個會期就有委員提到這個事情那我覺得這個案子的話請交通部這邊給我們一個報告甚至跟我們講騎乘那怎麼樣去做會更好一點好不好好謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請陳部長還有交通部陳部長鐵道局楊局長跟我們台鐵的杜董事長杜董事長\n呃部長我記得沒有錯的話這個應該是週末的時候基隆有強降雨那在於暖暖車站那邊發生說鐵那個軌道就直接被這個淋濕的豪大豪大雨給淹沒那這個造成是說當地的這個旁邊在他們這些neighboring community就是旁邊鄰近的住戶還有整個鐵還有整個北回鐵路尤其在暖暖端這邊我記得沒有錯北回鐵路是暖暖端是必須必經之道\n那變成是說這個雖然很快就雨就散掉了但是畢竟來講這整個癱瘓了整個北匯鐵路系統那我就想請問說那現在那個狀況目前要怎麼樣去把它改善目前短期間怎麼把它改善\n短時強降雨其實我覺得極端氣候之後時常會遇到所以過去有一些過去有一些不太會淹的地方可能現在都會淹那過去淹水頻率低的地方現在可能也會變高所以對於那個車站的排水的短期的改善目前臺鐵已經在做準備那也已經在做計畫準備要做短期的這個排水的改善那這個部分大概是一個部分\n其實我這邊要提議一件事以前曾經就有委員提過有關暖暖車站的鐵路外移因為現在這個平交道嚴格講起來是在暖暖市暖暖的市區的中心那為什麼我會再重新提這個案子的原因是說一方面這個能夠把我們現在遇到的淹水問題能夠徹底解決\n第二、對於北迴鐵路如果從路面上來看的話南南鐵道如果能夠外移成功那會對於整個北迴鐵路可以所謂的接彎取直可以對於整個北迴鐵路的量能跟班次能夠做增加嚴格講起來對我們整個北迴鐵路的capacity、量能是有很長處的發展的\n第三個也是因為暖暖市區暖暖區現在因為這個溢出效應都會去溢出效應的結果不管是在基隆市現在房價都在漲房價都在漲建案也在蓋但是生活機能的增加是要靠都市計畫是要靠有關空地出來才能把這邊不管是醫院學校還是各方面的機能\n所以變成是說如果能夠鐵路能夠外移到我記得是趙淵遠路的話會對於這個我們整個暖暖基隆市暖暖市區這邊的幫助會相當大那不知道部長可不可以幫協助說這方面先做個可行性研究看是否能夠能夠把這鐵路外移這件事情解決\n您在建議的如果對北迴縣來講的話是一個安全比較好的狀態底下我剛有說過如果在極端氣候之下那個地方時常在淹水那我們短期的這個排水的部分做完之後如果成效不好的話那確實是有可能需要去討論到有沒有要改線或改道的部分那這個部分因為是蠻大的議題委員您交代那我們先內部先來做討論一下研議一下看有沒有這樣的可能性\n委員剛剛有說過過去很像有討論過這個議題那我們也會調出說過去討論這個議題的過程當中遇到哪些困難點那我們一起來拿出來討論我記得20年前劉恩軒委員跟徐少平委員都曾經一起討論過這個議題所以說這個議題後來不知道為什麼事情嚴格了但是現在遇到極端氣候同樣的地方又發生同樣的事情所以我覺得這個案子我會建議說真的拿出來好好討論一下我們拿出來討論\n好那那第二個是有關實事題啊最近除了這個暖暖這個鐵路淹水之外其實上個禮拜五那國道國道一號在暖暖交通道附近火燒車昨天那又遇到說在國道一號北國道一號南下遇到火遇到貨櫃車結果遇到貨櫃車然後是跑馬故障\n昨天晚上又遇到說北上的時候遇到很我人在9026我人在南港展覽館所以我那時候可能直接跟公路局的公路學科長直接有點抱怨那可是我同時事件我有收到其他四條線也是一個半小時上不了車的狀況甚至在今天早上\n在汐止大同路上面的火災都造成說直接的汐止大同路上面的火災造成我剛剛九點半的時候這邊這個這個這個用車才才疏解所以連續連續兩天我們就是三次尖峰失散的大塞車\n二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長進行專題報告。三、邀請交通部鐵道局局長進行專題報告\n臺北的這些站點全部載完該站的乘客之後直接到直接回基隆可是不用經過本來預定的路線假使國營現在是直報也就是說每小時不到10公里的時速那是不是可以直接走三高當我們看從1968還是從其他的建設系統看到三高其實是暢通的是可以疏散的是不是有這個機制那如何能夠啟動\n報告委員您說的這個機制我覺得相當重要像國道5號它也有國道客運那當它擁塞的時候我有問我們公路局的同仁有沒有這樣子的SOP可以讓他不要走國道5號我們走其他的線因為對旅客來說我上站的地方有辦法上我要下站的地方有辦法下就好\n但中間經過國道這個部分他不會很介意啦當然希望可以快但當不能快的時候如果需要轉道的部分可不可以那我們的同仁跟我回應是可以的這個沒有問題那基隆確實我們這段時間有看到那個交流道攤方啦或者是火燒車等等的問題有時候國道1號確實不能走了\n那這個也牽扯到路權的問題那客運他不會主動說想要轉道那但因為有這個路權的限制但如果我們有一套的SOP建立起來跟地方政府也好跟客運業者也好講好如果國道1號很擁塞的狀況底下可不可以繞道其他的地方上站點跟下站點一樣那國道的部分我們可以用一個臨時路權的方案那這個部分委員您交代我們來研究這個部分應該是可行可以做得到的\n我覺得這上面來講不只是公路局還有高工局這兩邊要互相能夠一起演繹這個事因為當下高工局發現說這邊路上那個高速公路上面已經發生事故已經擁受到不行了甚至在尖峰時段已經影響到整個通勤交通的時候那這時候緊急應變其實要早點出來所以早出來的話我認為說其實不會有人是會介意多繞點路可是大家都不喜歡塞車因為塞車不知道什麼時候能解決\n而且尤其是在臺北在等車的人他們看到車子沒有來他們期待在那邊等車已經很辛苦了可是在那邊等著車子卻不知道什麼時候來他們的怒氣跟怨氣是直接對於不管是誰不管是地方政府還是中央政府他們直接怒氣是直接衝著\n衝著我們公部門的不作為而來的那這公部門也沒辦法遲遲的跟他們解釋當下也無法解釋清楚你不可能在這個收購百貨前面跟他們講說現在在塞車因為現在我也不知道怎麼去做這件事情但是他們會期待說不要等一個小時半在臺北只好等著塞車回基隆這點是我必須要跟部長說這邊請部長這邊要大力大力去推動這個案子是這個部分我們來跟客運業者大家來協調一個臨時應變的機會\n還有另外一個就是也是我今天針對今天早上這個大同路戲那個戲子大同路火災所想到的我記得上個會期好像有提過說要把國一從五堵這邊要拓寬對吧\n五堵到五堵到七堵這邊要拓寬的案子這個可能要請這個那個部長之後日後要追蹤一下那我期待說我回去幫那邊現場辦個會館因為目前看起來不管什麼時段從那個汐止到五堵這邊永遠是塞車的\n市中原是拆車的除非半夜不然從北上五堵汐止到五堵這邊天天在拆車甚至有人跟我提過說能不能直接開放路間直接遍地三條線那當然是對安全來講是很大的危險但是我會覺得說這個案子這個拓寬的案子我記得上個會期就有委員提到這個事情那我覺得這個案子的話請交通部這邊給我們一個報告甚至跟我們講騎乘那怎麼樣去做會更好一點好不好好謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.013 --> 00:16.675\n謝謝主席有請陳部長還有交通部陳部長鐵道局楊局長跟我們台鐵的杜董事長杜董事長\n\n00:25.613 --> 00:54.429\n呃部長我記得沒有錯的話這個應該是週末的時候基隆有強降雨那在於暖暖車站那邊發生說鐵那個軌道就直接被這個淋濕的豪大豪大雨給淹沒那這個造成是說當地的這個旁邊在他們這些neighboringcommunity就是旁邊鄰近的住戶還有整個鐵還有整個北回鐵路尤其在暖暖端這邊我記得沒有錯北回鐵路是暖暖端是必須必經之道\n\n00:55.089 --> 01:10.142\n那變成是說這個雖然很快就雨就散掉了但是畢竟來講這整個癱瘓了整個北匯鐵路系統那我就想請問說那現在那個狀況目前要怎麼樣去把它改善目前短期間怎麼把它改善\n\n01:10.882 --> 01:34.056\n短時強降雨其實我覺得極端氣候之後時常會遇到所以過去有一些過去有一些不太會淹的地方可能現在都會淹那過去淹水頻率低的地方現在可能也會變高所以對於那個車站的排水的短期的改善目前臺鐵已經在做準備那也已經在做計畫準備要做短期的這個排水的改善那這個部分大概是一個部分\n\n01:35.076 --> 01:52.567\n其實我這邊要提議一件事以前曾經就有委員提過有關暖暖車站的鐵路外移因為現在這個平交道嚴格講起來是在暖暖市暖暖的市區的中心那為什麼我會再重新提這個案子的原因是說一方面這個能夠把我們現在遇到的淹水問題能夠徹底解決\n\n01:56.930 --> 02:19.416\n第二、對於北迴鐵路如果從路面上來看的話南南鐵道如果能夠外移成功那會對於整個北迴鐵路可以所謂的接彎取直可以對於整個北迴鐵路的量能跟班次能夠做增加嚴格講起來對我們整個北迴鐵路的capacity、量能是有很長處的發展的\n\n02:21.657 --> 02:44.089\n第三個也是因為暖暖市區暖暖區現在因為這個溢出效應都會去溢出效應的結果不管是在基隆市現在房價都在漲房價都在漲建案也在蓋但是生活機能的增加是要靠都市計畫是要靠有關空地出來才能把這邊不管是醫院學校還是各方面的機能\n\n02:44.449 --> 03:02.129\n所以變成是說如果能夠鐵路能夠外移到我記得是趙淵遠路的話會對於這個我們整個暖暖基隆市暖暖市區這邊的幫助會相當大那不知道部長可不可以幫協助說這方面先做個可行性研究看是否能夠能夠把這鐵路外移這件事情解決\n\n03:03.130 --> 03:30.502\n您在建議的如果對北迴縣來講的話是一個安全比較好的狀態底下我剛有說過如果在極端氣候之下那個地方時常在淹水那我們短期的這個排水的部分做完之後如果成效不好的話那確實是有可能需要去討論到有沒有要改線或改道的部分那這個部分因為是蠻大的議題委員您交代那我們先內部先來做討論一下研議一下看有沒有這樣的可能性\n\n03:31.502 --> 03:57.884\n委員剛剛有說過過去很像有討論過這個議題那我們也會調出說過去討論這個議題的過程當中遇到哪些困難點那我們一起來拿出來討論我記得20年前劉恩軒委員跟徐少平委員都曾經一起討論過這個議題所以說這個議題後來不知道為什麼事情嚴格了但是現在遇到極端氣候同樣的地方又發生同樣的事情所以我覺得這個案子我會建議說真的拿出來好好討論一下我們拿出來討論\n\n03:59.605 --> 04:19.608\n好那那第二個是有關實事題啊最近除了這個暖暖這個鐵路淹水之外其實上個禮拜五那國道國道一號在暖暖交通道附近火燒車昨天那又遇到說在國道一號北國道一號南下遇到火遇到貨櫃車結果遇到貨櫃車然後是跑馬故障\n\n04:20.749 --> 04:40.050\n昨天晚上又遇到說北上的時候遇到很我人在9026我人在南港展覽館所以我那時候可能直接跟公路局的公路學科長直接有點抱怨那可是我同時事件我有收到其他四條線也是一個半小時上不了車的狀況甚至在今天早上\n\n04:40.811 --> 04:55.187\n在汐止大同路上面的火災都造成說直接的汐止大同路上面的火災造成我剛剛九點半的時候這邊這個這個這個用車才才疏解所以連續連續兩天我們就是三次尖峰失散的大塞車\n\n04:56.028 --> 04:57.910\n二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長進行專題報告。三、邀請交通部鐵道局局長進行專題報告\n\n05:21.890 --> 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community，也就是旁邊鄰近的住戶，還有整個北迴鐵路造成很大的影響，尤其在暖暖端這邊，我記得沒有錯的話，北迴鐵路暖暖端是必經之道，雖然積水很快就散掉了，但畢竟癱瘓了整個北迴鐵路系統。"],["陳部長世凱：是，當時是停駛。"],["林委員沛祥：我就想請問目前、短時間內要怎麼改善這個狀況？"],["陳部長世凱：短時強降雨其實我覺得極端氣候之後時常會遇到，所以過去有一些不太會淹的地方可能現在都會淹，過去淹水頻率低的地方現在可能也會變高，所以，對於那個車站排水的短期改善目前臺鐵已經在做準備，也已經在做計畫，準備要做短期的排水的改善，這大概是一個部分。"],["林委員沛祥：其實我這邊要提議一件事，以前也曾經有委員提過有關暖暖車站的鐵路外移，因為現在那個平交道嚴格講起來是剛好在暖暖市區的中心。為什麼我會重新提這個案子？原因是一方面能夠把現在遇到的淹水問題澈底解決，第二個是對於北迴鐵路，從圖面上來看，暖暖鐵道如果能夠外移成功，會對整個北迴鐵路做所謂的截彎取直，可以對整個北迴鐵路的量能跟班次做增加，嚴格講起來，整個北迴鐵路的capacity、量能可以獲得很長足的發展。第三個是暖暖區因為現在都會區溢出效應的結果，變成基隆市現在房價都在漲，建案也在蓋，但是生活機能的增加需要靠都市計畫、需要靠空地出來，才能把那邊不管是醫院、學校還是各方面的機能予以改善。所以如果鐵路能夠外移，我記得是移到源遠路的話，對於我們整個基隆市暖暖區的幫助會相當大。不知道部長可不可以協助針對這方面先做個可行性研究，看看是否可以解決鐵路外移這件事情？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，您在建議的如果對北迴線來講是一個安全、比較好的狀態底下，我剛剛有說過，在極端氣候之下，如果那個地方時常在淹水，我們短期的排水部分做完之後，如果成效不好的話，確實是有可能需要去討論到有沒有要改線或改道的部分，這個部分因為是滿大的議題，委員您交代，我們內部先來討論一下、研議一下，看有沒有這樣的可能性。委員剛剛有說過，過去好像有討論過這個議題……"],["林委員沛祥：有。"],["陳部長世凱：我們也會調出過去討論這個議題的過程當中遇到哪些困難點，一起把它拿出來討論。"],["林委員沛祥：我記得20年前劉文雄委員跟徐少萍委員都曾經討論過這個議題，不知道這個議題後來因為什麼事情延擱了，但是現在遇到極端氣候，同樣的地方又發生同樣的事情，所以我覺得這個案子我會建議真的要拿出來好好討論一下。"],["陳部長世凱：好，我們拿出來討論。"],["林委員沛祥：第二個是時事題，最近除了暖暖鐵路淹水之外，上個禮拜五國道1號在暖暖交流道附近發生火燒車，昨天國道1號南下又遇到貨櫃車拋錨故障，昨天晚上北上部分又有壅塞的狀況，當時我人在客運9026路線的南港展覽館站，所以直接跟公路局的科長有點抱怨，可是我同一時間還收到其他4條路線也有一個半小時上不了車的狀況，甚至今天早上在汐止大同路發生的火災，都造成我剛剛到9點半的時候壅塞才疏解。所以，連續兩天就有三次尖峰時段的大塞車。禮拜五晚上也是大塞車，全國都在報導，變成基隆市到臺北上班的通勤族在國道客運上面塞車已經是一個很悲哀的常態！其實這一點都不應該笑，可是我真的有一點無奈。","我想請問一下，針對國道客運，有沒有所謂的SOP、有沒有所謂的臨時應變機制，可以讓國道客運把在臺北站點該載的乘客全部載完之後直接回基隆，而不用經過本來預訂的路線？假使國1現在是紫爆，也就是每小時不到10公里的時速，是不是可以直接走3高，當我們從「1968」還是其他的監測系統看到3高其實是暢通的、是可以疏散的，是不是有這個機制？又是如何能夠啟動？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，您說的這個機制我覺得相當重要，像國道5號，它也有國道客運，當它壅塞的時候，我也問過公路局的同仁有沒有這樣的SOP，可以讓它不要走國道5號，改走其他的路線，因為對旅客來說，上站的地方有辦法上，要下站的地方有辦法下就好，但中間經過國道這個部分，他不會很介意啦，當然希望可以快，但當不能快的時候，如果需要轉道的話可不可以？我們同仁給我的回應是可以的，這個沒有問題。","有關基隆的部分，我們這一段時間確實有看到交流道坍方或者是火燒車等等的問題，有時候國道1號確實不能走了，但是這也牽扯到路權的問題，客運它不會主動想要轉道是因為有路權的限制，但如果我們有一套SOP建立起來，跟地方政府也好，跟客運業者也好，講好如果在國道1號很壅塞的狀況底下，可不可以繞道其他的地方，上站點跟下站點一樣，國道的部分我們可以用一個臨時路權的方案，這個部分委員您交代，我們來研究，這個部分應該是可行、可以做得到的。"],["林委員沛祥：我覺得不只是公路局，還有高公局，這兩邊要能夠一起研議這個事情，因為當下高公局發現高速公路發生事故，已經壅塞到不行了，甚至在尖峰時段已經影響到整個交通通行的時候，這個時候緊急應變機制要早點出來，越早出來的話……我認為其實不會有人介意多繞點路，可是大家都不喜歡塞車，因為塞車不知道什麼時候能解決，尤其是在臺北等車的人，他們看到車子沒有來，他們期待、在那邊等車已經很辛苦了，可是一直在那邊等，卻不知道車子什麼時候來，不管是對中央政府或地方政府，他們的怒氣跟怨氣是直接衝著公部門的不作為而來的。而公部門也沒有辦法實質地跟他們解釋，當下也無法解釋清楚，你不可能在Sogo百貨前面跟他們講說現在在塞車，我也不知道怎麼去做這件事情，但是他們會期待不要在臺北等一個半小時，然後又塞車回基隆。這點是我必須跟部長說，請部長一定要大力去推動的。"],["陳部長世凱：這個部分我來跟客運業者大家來協調一個臨時應變的機制。"],["林委員沛祥：還有另外一個，就是我針對今天早上汐止大同路火災所想到的，我記得上個會期好像有提過要把國1從五堵到七堵拓寬的案子，這個可能日後要請部長追蹤一下，我期待可以去現場辦個會勘。"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["林委員沛祥：因為目前看起來，不管什麼時段，從汐止到五堵這邊永遠是塞車的，除非半夜，不然北上從汐止到五堵這邊天天在塞車，甚至有人跟我提過能不能直接開放路肩，變成第三條線，這對安全來講當然是很大的危險，但是這個拓寬的案子，我記得上個會期就有委員提到這個事情，我覺得這個案子，請交通部這邊給我們一個報告，甚至跟我們講期程、怎麼樣去做會更好一點，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["林委員沛祥：好，謝謝。"],["陳部長世凱：謝謝委員。"],["主席：好，謝謝林沛祥委員。","接下來有請何欣純委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":288,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-7","speakers":["魯明哲","李昆澤","林國成","許智傑","林沛祥","何欣純","陳素月","林俊憲","徐富癸","蔡其昌","廖先翔","邱若華","陳雪生","郭國文","王育敏","陳亭妃","陳菁徽","徐巧芯","黃國昌","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","林月琴","林倩綺","洪孟楷","楊瓊瓔","蔡易餘","陳培瑜","劉建國","游顥","黃健豪"],"page_start":197,"meetingDate":["2024-10-23"],"gazette_id":"1139001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139001_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長杜微及文化部就「臺鐵如何精進\n服務品質、落實轉型治理、加速資產活化、強化文資保存及提升鐵道美學與功能」進行專題報\n告，並備質詢；二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長就「我國軌道建設執行概況」進行專題報告，並備質\n詢；三、邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男、數位發展部資通安全署署長及國防部就「國防部財產申報\n作業誤失之問題檢討、應處作為、風險管控及後續強化資安保護」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1139001_00004"}}}