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00:02:07,946\n是謝委員那我想中共的一個統戰方式是蠻多元的包括文化、宗教還有相關體育等等都是包含在裡面那我們原住民的青年跟中共的一個大陸的一個交流大概也像比方體育包括這個兩岸的少數民族的一個他的一個活動\n\n7\n00:02:09,006 --> 00:02:35,998\n包括像這個新創或才藝等等現在我要你回答的是有沒有顯示原住民被吸收有沒有什麼樣的一個顯示你來回答一下就好了我想原住民有沒有被吸收我國安團隊多有在瞭解在掌搜這些情報目前我們手頭上是沒有原住民的所以\n\n8\n00:02:36,963 --> 00:03:02,495\n今天吳立法身為原住民的立委不應該把原住民污名化封鎖原住民今天他用這個他應該我建議吳立法委員向全國的原住民道歉以上我們請國防部部長請坐\n\n9\n00:03:10,385 --> 00:03:35,243\n是黃議員好是部長好今天有一個非常可笑而且沒有任何的精準的換算你們自己的國防部智庫國防安全研究院的蘇執雲所長在日前的表示如果美國美國\n\n10\n00:03:37,458 --> 00:04:02,603\n要到我們保護我們台灣台海要45分鐘就到了這樣的一個說辭對你們國防的智庫所顯現出來的這樣的一個數據有沒有精準有沒有準確你來回答您是說台灣台灣在\n\n11\n00:04:05,694 --> 00:04:16,639\n美國如果能夠派遣足夠武力到戰場能夠有多久要到我們台灣海峽這裡\n\n12\n00:04:19,124 --> 00:04:41,644\n跟委員報告我想我還是從一個我們的整個戰略這個的一個目標來說明我們建軍是以拒止敵人達成任務為目標所以我們備戰方面是以平時能夠有效應處灰色地帶的清掃暫時我們是以削弱的戰略拒止、遲制或擾亂敵人達成作戰目標\n\n13\n00:04:44,226 --> 00:05:08,119\n來迫使他要放棄奪台的行動也就是說我們逐次的去削弱他的戰力讓他的最後的奪台的這個行動不能夠成功我們沒有辦法跟他做一個說我們要殲滅這個國家或者是我們要如何但我們的戰略我們的戰略基本戰略就是讓他登島的作戰最後沒有辦法能夠成功所以你們國防部的智庫\n\n14\n00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:26,821\n國防安全研究院的蘇執銀所長所表達的等於廢話若中共對台封鎖美國最快可能在45分鐘內馳援台灣我今天直接解破了你們這些國防智庫的問題\n\n15\n00:05:28,066 --> 00:05:42,184\n美國前參謀首長聯席會主席馬克‧麥利曾表示美國能在30個小時內整備60%兵力至台海地區\n\n16\n00:05:43,986 --> 00:06:01,965\n也是派兵到台海地區不是加入戰鬥意思就是說國軍至少要獨立支撐30個小時我們有沒有能力支撐3個小時而不是國防智庫所講的到台海要45分鐘就好了\n\n17\n00:06:04,381 --> 00:06:26,218\n跟委員報告,如果他是一定要做這個登陸作戰的話,我們是會找到他最脆弱的點以一個不對稱作戰的一個防衛的一個概念來打擊他的最脆弱點,讓他的這個有生戰力在登島作戰的時候能夠失敗所以我想請教一下部長,你認不認同國防智庫蘇紫雲所講的這句話45分鐘,你認不認同?\n\n18\n00:06:30,713 --> 00:06:35,760\n我一再的講就是說我們不會去講\n\n19\n00:06:37,942 --> 00:06:47,769\n我們幾分鐘幾分鐘幾分鐘或是幾天這些事情我們的目標就是讓他們登島作戰會失敗這是我們的建築備戰的目標我現在要告訴你的身為一個國防智庫不能隨便亂講話這製造國內的緊張我向以下針對我們今天的45分的說法來反駁第一個\n\n20\n00:07:04,636 --> 00:07:20,910\n本席對於觀點若真的以彈劃勢力所說的這個蟒蛇戰略解放軍只要願意隨時可以封鎖台灣那就是表示解放軍可同時滿足兩個條件第一個讓台灣難以突圍第二\n\n21\n00:07:26,824 --> 00:07:31,869\n讓外部武力難以進入、干涉及區域拒止。」\n\n22\n00:07:36,006 --> 00:08:02,882\n維台精遠一方面是台灣的施壓另一方面就是區域的拒止例如聯合力線的2024B遼寧號航空母艦編隊前往台灣東部海域就是演練區域拒止所以這個是美軍要從關島駛遠到台灣的困難度已經是大增了\n\n23\n00:08:03,402 --> 00:08:30,010\n所以今天我特別要提醒部長這樣的一個種種的問題怎麼會是45分鐘所以我今天就要把國防智庫蘇紫雲所講的一切都不是一個事實我們現在講的是我能不能支撐到30個小時美國聯席會主席所講的如果30個小時他可以遲遠到台灣海峽\n\n24\n00:08:31,730 --> 00:08:34,153\n不見得是要加入我們戰鬥的一個部隊\n\n25\n00:08:38,676 --> 00:09:02,248\n來回答跟委員報告我想還是要講一下蟒蛇戰略除了我剛剛講CSIS或者格蘭也有講到以外美國的邁阿密大學政治學教授也有提到就是說他發表一篇專文就是說在講的是說中國會從外交、經濟、軍事到對台灣的顛覆滲透的一系列打壓活動他把他這個比喻為這個中國的蟒蛇戰略這個是在講就是說\n\n26\n00:09:06,554 --> 00:09:29,746\n應用它這個沒有需要要用燈塔這個整個全面禁犯的這個手段來迫使以不斷的以來打壓台灣那唐司令所講的應該也是引用這個來說明說中國正不斷的來進行對我們的這個法律戰心理戰跟認知戰那真正如果說他要做到所謂的\n\n27\n00:09:30,647 --> 00:09:43,808\n講到說所謂的封鎖我剛剛已經講過了全世界不可能坐視不管的因為它對全世界的經濟甚至包括對中國自己本身的經濟那個產生的那個重大的傷害是沒有一個國家可以承受的\n\n28\n00:09:44,517 --> 00:10:03,335\n台灣海峽在地緣政治上面的重要性台灣海峽在台灣在整個經濟安全上的重要性是沒有辦法被取代的所以我們不要太仰賴美國所說的能夠直言到我們這一來我們幾個小時但是我們國軍\n\n29\n00:10:05,778 --> 00:10:16,807\n國防能不能支撐到30小時所以這個就是一個警示那另外是我想請教一下我們經濟部的能源局部長請回\n\n30\n00:10:22,526 --> 00:10:49,065\n這一次聯合力艦的2024B傳出LNG的天然氣船受阻礙無法按預定的期程送出天然氣到我們的台灣雖然政府說這個是錯誤的假信息但是這個消息實際上凸顯出國人的不安請問一下我們能源司長\n\n31\n00:10:50,146 --> 00:11:08,221\n台灣的天然氣存量在供應給受屬的情況下能供應多久?」我們現在法規的就是在113年的時候天然氣的安全存量大概是8天左右到116年的時候可以到14天沒有吧\n\n32\n00:11:09,684 --> 00:11:12,125\n台灣遭共經封鎖能維持台灣能源供應及發電韌性,哪一種發電方式最可靠?」\n\n33\n00:11:36,610 --> 00:11:53,253\n我們現在就是用多元的發電方式是最可靠的那多元的方式最可靠那請問一下現在多元的方式是什麼樣多元的現在就是按照經濟規劃就是20、30、50然後呢就是綠電20然後這個30然後是50天然氣發電是50天然氣發電是50所謂天然氣將來的規劃2035年的時候是這樣子所謂天然氣天然氣是50%對所謂的天然氣的種類\n\n34\n00:12:05,436 --> 00:12:29,211\n天然氣的種類就是天然氣的發電啊就是LNG的發電LNG的嘛對是就靠這個嘛對50%現在的能源規劃就是這樣所以它的供應量如果真的一旦封鎖台灣我們的天然氣的供應量不是18天也不是14天真正的數據是7天所以你們自己本身要了解\n\n35\n00:12:30,692 --> 00:12:54,153\n天然氣是國人現在依賴的天然氣那如果一旦發生戰爭的時候我們天然氣能夠供給我們國內的天然氣有多少所以我們的儲存量有多少我剛剛跟委員報告就是在113年今年是差不多是8天左右那到116年的時候我們會把安全存量去拉到14天\n\n36\n00:12:56,621 --> 00:13:08,656\n所以我們今天我們特別要很多的地方不管台海的局勢我們天然氣是國人最關切的能源局局長你特別要注意到這一點好不好以上謝謝黃仁慧委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n389\t28431\t先請我們國安局的副局長待會再請國防部的顧部長請副局長是我們這邊特別要跟國安局來為原住民這樣的一個發聲我們要請這個吳立華要向全國的人民全國的原住民來道歉原住民不是一個破口\n29551\t48028\t我們在過去不管任何執政黨都是準意原住民跟對岸單純的做文化、藝術、產業的交流不是一個共諜也不是一個破口\n50062\t63733\t今天武力華在這個地方執行國安局局長的時候排山倒海的所有的全國原住民一直討伐連我的電話已經打爆了\n64962\t81809\t為什麼身為一個原住民的委員會把原住民拿到檯面上說他是一個破口所以今天我特別要講上次的一個答詢中原住民是一個破口當時局長對於相關的樣態會持續的關注請問部長 請問副部長\n88752\t100274\t你認為原住民是中共滲透台灣的破口嗎?國安局是否有確切的個案情資顯示原住民被吸收了?\n101400\t127946\t是 謝委員那我想中共的一個統戰方式是蠻多元的包括文化、宗教還有相關體育等等都是包含在裡面那我們原住民的青年跟中共的一個大陸的一個交流大概也像比方體育包括這個兩岸的少數民族的一個他的一個活動\n129006\t155998\t包括像這個新創或才藝等等現在我要你回答的是有沒有顯示原住民被吸收有沒有什麼樣的一個顯示你來回答一下就好了我想原住民有沒有被吸收我國安團隊多有在瞭解在掌搜這些情報目前我們手頭上是沒有原住民的所以\n156963\t182495\t今天吳立法身為原住民的立委不應該把原住民污名化封鎖原住民今天他用這個他應該我建議吳立法委員向全國的原住民道歉以上我們請國防部部長請坐\n190385\t215243\t是 黃議員好是 部長好今天有一個非常可笑而且沒有任何的精準的換算你們自己的國防部智庫國防安全研究院的蘇執雲所長在日前的表示如果美國美國\n217458\t242603\t要到我們保護我們台灣台海要45分鐘就到了這樣的一個說辭對你們國防的智庫所顯現出來的這樣的一個數據有沒有精準有沒有準確你來回答您是說台灣台灣在\n245694\t256639\t美國如果能夠派遣足夠武力到戰場能夠有多久要到我們台灣海峽這裡\n259124\t281644\t跟委員報告我想我還是從一個我們的整個戰略這個的一個目標來說明我們建軍是以拒止敵人達成任務為目標所以我們備戰方面是以平時能夠有效應處灰色地帶的清掃暫時我們是以削弱的戰略拒止、遲制或擾亂敵人達成作戰目標\n284226\t308119\t來迫使他要放棄奪台的行動也就是說我們逐次的去削弱他的戰力讓他的最後的奪台的這個行動不能夠成功我們沒有辦法跟他做一個說我們要殲滅這個國家或者是我們要如何但我們的戰略我們的戰略基本戰略就是讓他登島的作戰最後沒有辦法能夠成功所以你們國防部的智庫\n309880\t326821\t國防安全研究院的蘇執銀所長所表達的等於廢話若中共對台封鎖美國最快可能在45分鐘內馳援台灣我今天直接解破了你們這些國防智庫的問題\n328066\t342184\t美國前參謀首長聯席會主席馬克‧麥利曾表示美國能在30個小時內整備60%兵力至台海地區\n343986\t361965\t也是派兵到台海地區不是加入戰鬥意思就是說國軍至少要獨立支撐30個小時我們有沒有能力支撐3個小時而不是國防智庫所講的到台海要45分鐘就好了\n364381\t386218\t跟委員報告,如果他是一定要做這個登陸作戰的話,我們是會找到他最脆弱的點以一個不對稱作戰的一個防衛的一個概念來打擊他的最脆弱點,讓他的這個有生戰力在登島作戰的時候能夠失敗所以我想請教一下部長,你認不認同國防智庫蘇紫雲所講的這句話45分鐘,你認不認同?\n390713\t395760\t我一再的講就是說我們不會去講\n397942\t407769\t我們幾分鐘幾分鐘幾分鐘或是幾天這些事情我們的目標就是讓他們登島作戰會失敗這是我們的建築備戰的目標我現在要告訴你的身為一個國防智庫不能隨便亂講話這製造國內的緊張我向以下針對我們今天的45分的說法來反駁第一個\n424636\t440910\t本席對於觀點若真的以彈劃勢力所說的這個蟒蛇戰略解放軍只要願意隨時可以封鎖台灣那就是表示解放軍可同時滿足兩個條件第一個讓台灣難以突圍第二\n446824\t451869\t讓外部武力難以進入、干涉及區域拒止。」\n456006\t482882\t維台精遠一方面是台灣的施壓另一方面就是區域的拒止例如聯合力線的2024B遼寧號航空母艦編隊前往台灣東部海域就是演練區域拒止所以這個是美軍要從關島駛遠到台灣的困難度已經是大增了\n483402\t510010\t所以今天我特別要提醒部長這樣的一個種種的問題怎麼會是45分鐘所以我今天就要把國防智庫蘇紫雲所講的一切都不是一個事實我們現在講的是我能不能支撐到30個小時美國聯席會主席所講的如果30個小時他可以遲遠到台灣海峽\n511730\t514153\t不見得是要加入我們戰鬥的一個部隊\n518676\t542248\t來回答跟委員報告我想還是要講一下蟒蛇戰略除了我剛剛講CSIS或者格蘭也有講到以外美國的邁阿密大學政治學教授也有提到就是說他發表一篇專文就是說在講的是說中國會從外交、經濟、軍事到對台灣的顛覆滲透的一系列打壓活動他把他這個比喻為這個中國的蟒蛇戰略這個是在講就是說\n546554\t569746\t應用它這個沒有需要要用燈塔這個整個全面禁犯的這個手段來迫使以不斷的以來打壓台灣那唐司令所講的應該也是引用這個來說明說中國正不斷的來進行對我們的這個法律戰心理戰跟認知戰那真正如果說他要做到所謂的\n570647\t583808\t講到說所謂的封鎖我剛剛已經講過了全世界不可能坐視不管的因為它對全世界的經濟甚至包括對中國自己本身的經濟那個產生的那個重大的傷害是沒有一個國家可以承受的\n584517\t603335\t台灣海峽在地緣政治上面的重要性台灣海峽在台灣在整個經濟安全上的重要性是沒有辦法被取代的所以我們不要太仰賴美國所說的能夠直言到我們這一來我們幾個小時但是我們國軍\n605778\t616807\t國防能不能支撐到30小時所以這個就是一個警示那另外是我想請教一下我們經濟部的能源局部長請回\n622526\t649065\t這一次聯合力艦的2024B傳出LNG的天然氣船受阻礙無法按預定的期程送出天然氣到我們的台灣雖然政府說這個是錯誤的假信息但是這個消息實際上凸顯出國人的不安請問一下我們能源司長\n650146\t668221\t台灣的天然氣存量在供應給受屬的情況下能供應多久?」我們現在法規的就是在113年的時候天然氣的安全存量大概是8天左右到116年的時候可以到14天沒有吧\n669684\t672125\t台灣遭共經封鎖能維持台灣能源供應及發電韌性,哪一種發電方式最可靠?」\n696610\t713253\t我們現在就是用多元的發電方式是最可靠的那多元的方式最可靠那請問一下現在多元的方式是什麼樣多元的現在就是按照經濟規劃就是20、30、50然後呢就是綠電20然後這個30然後是50天然氣發電是50天然氣發電是50所謂天然氣將來的規劃2035年的時候是這樣子所謂天然氣天然氣是50%對所謂的天然氣的種類\n725436\t749211\t天然氣的種類就是天然氣的發電啊就是LNG的發電LNG的嘛對是就靠這個嘛對50%現在的能源規劃就是這樣所以它的供應量如果真的一旦封鎖台灣我們的天然氣的供應量不是18天也不是14天真正的數據是7天所以你們自己本身要了解\n750692\t774153\t天然氣是國人現在依賴的天然氣那如果一旦發生戰爭的時候我們天然氣能夠供給我們國內的天然氣有多少所以我們的儲存量有多少我剛剛跟委員報告就是在113年今年是差不多是8天左右那到116年的時候我們會把安全存量去拉到14天\n776621\t788656\t所以我們今天我們特別要很多的地方不管台海的局勢我們天然氣是國人最關切的能源局局長你特別要注意到這一點好不好以上謝謝黃仁慧委員\n","txt":"先請我們國安局的副局長待會再請國防部的顧部長請副局長是我們這邊特別要跟國安局來為原住民這樣的一個發聲我們要請這個吳立華要向全國的人民全國的原住民來道歉原住民不是一個破口\n我們在過去不管任何執政黨都是準意原住民跟對岸單純的做文化、藝術、產業的交流不是一個共諜也不是一個破口\n今天武力華在這個地方執行國安局局長的時候排山倒海的所有的全國原住民一直討伐連我的電話已經打爆了\n為什麼身為一個原住民的委員會把原住民拿到檯面上說他是一個破口所以今天我特別要講上次的一個答詢中原住民是一個破口當時局長對於相關的樣態會持續的關注請問部長 請問副部長\n你認為原住民是中共滲透台灣的破口嗎?國安局是否有確切的個案情資顯示原住民被吸收了?\n是 謝委員那我想中共的一個統戰方式是蠻多元的包括文化、宗教還有相關體育等等都是包含在裡面那我們原住民的青年跟中共的一個大陸的一個交流大概也像比方體育包括這個兩岸的少數民族的一個他的一個活動\n包括像這個新創或才藝等等現在我要你回答的是有沒有顯示原住民被吸收有沒有什麼樣的一個顯示你來回答一下就好了我想原住民有沒有被吸收我國安團隊多有在瞭解在掌搜這些情報目前我們手頭上是沒有原住民的所以\n今天吳立法身為原住民的立委不應該把原住民污名化封鎖原住民今天他用這個他應該我建議吳立法委員向全國的原住民道歉以上我們請國防部部長請坐\n是 黃議員好是 部長好今天有一個非常可笑而且沒有任何的精準的換算你們自己的國防部智庫國防安全研究院的蘇執雲所長在日前的表示如果美國美國\n要到我們保護我們台灣台海要45分鐘就到了這樣的一個說辭對你們國防的智庫所顯現出來的這樣的一個數據有沒有精準有沒有準確你來回答您是說台灣台灣在\n美國如果能夠派遣足夠武力到戰場能夠有多久要到我們台灣海峽這裡\n跟委員報告我想我還是從一個我們的整個戰略這個的一個目標來說明我們建軍是以拒止敵人達成任務為目標所以我們備戰方面是以平時能夠有效應處灰色地帶的清掃暫時我們是以削弱的戰略拒止、遲制或擾亂敵人達成作戰目標\n來迫使他要放棄奪台的行動也就是說我們逐次的去削弱他的戰力讓他的最後的奪台的這個行動不能夠成功我們沒有辦法跟他做一個說我們要殲滅這個國家或者是我們要如何但我們的戰略我們的戰略基本戰略就是讓他登島的作戰最後沒有辦法能夠成功所以你們國防部的智庫\n國防安全研究院的蘇執銀所長所表達的等於廢話若中共對台封鎖美國最快可能在45分鐘內馳援台灣我今天直接解破了你們這些國防智庫的問題\n美國前參謀首長聯席會主席馬克‧麥利曾表示美國能在30個小時內整備60%兵力至台海地區\n也是派兵到台海地區不是加入戰鬥意思就是說國軍至少要獨立支撐30個小時我們有沒有能力支撐3個小時而不是國防智庫所講的到台海要45分鐘就好了\n跟委員報告,如果他是一定要做這個登陸作戰的話,我們是會找到他最脆弱的點以一個不對稱作戰的一個防衛的一個概念來打擊他的最脆弱點,讓他的這個有生戰力在登島作戰的時候能夠失敗所以我想請教一下部長,你認不認同國防智庫蘇紫雲所講的這句話45分鐘,你認不認同?\n我一再的講就是說我們不會去講\n我們幾分鐘幾分鐘幾分鐘或是幾天這些事情我們的目標就是讓他們登島作戰會失敗這是我們的建築備戰的目標我現在要告訴你的身為一個國防智庫不能隨便亂講話這製造國內的緊張我向以下針對我們今天的45分的說法來反駁第一個\n本席對於觀點若真的以彈劃勢力所說的這個蟒蛇戰略解放軍只要願意隨時可以封鎖台灣那就是表示解放軍可同時滿足兩個條件第一個讓台灣難以突圍第二\n讓外部武力難以進入、干涉及區域拒止。」\n維台精遠一方面是台灣的施壓另一方面就是區域的拒止例如聯合力線的2024B遼寧號航空母艦編隊前往台灣東部海域就是演練區域拒止所以這個是美軍要從關島駛遠到台灣的困難度已經是大增了\n所以今天我特別要提醒部長這樣的一個種種的問題怎麼會是45分鐘所以我今天就要把國防智庫蘇紫雲所講的一切都不是一個事實我們現在講的是我能不能支撐到30個小時美國聯席會主席所講的如果30個小時他可以遲遠到台灣海峽\n不見得是要加入我們戰鬥的一個部隊\n來回答跟委員報告我想還是要講一下蟒蛇戰略除了我剛剛講CSIS或者格蘭也有講到以外美國的邁阿密大學政治學教授也有提到就是說他發表一篇專文就是說在講的是說中國會從外交、經濟、軍事到對台灣的顛覆滲透的一系列打壓活動他把他這個比喻為這個中國的蟒蛇戰略這個是在講就是說\n應用它這個沒有需要要用燈塔這個整個全面禁犯的這個手段來迫使以不斷的以來打壓台灣那唐司令所講的應該也是引用這個來說明說中國正不斷的來進行對我們的這個法律戰心理戰跟認知戰那真正如果說他要做到所謂的\n講到說所謂的封鎖我剛剛已經講過了全世界不可能坐視不管的因為它對全世界的經濟甚至包括對中國自己本身的經濟那個產生的那個重大的傷害是沒有一個國家可以承受的\n台灣海峽在地緣政治上面的重要性台灣海峽在台灣在整個經濟安全上的重要性是沒有辦法被取代的所以我們不要太仰賴美國所說的能夠直言到我們這一來我們幾個小時但是我們國軍\n國防能不能支撐到30小時所以這個就是一個警示那另外是我想請教一下我們經濟部的能源局部長請回\n這一次聯合力艦的2024B傳出LNG的天然氣船受阻礙無法按預定的期程送出天然氣到我們的台灣雖然政府說這個是錯誤的假信息但是這個消息實際上凸顯出國人的不安請問一下我們能源司長\n台灣的天然氣存量在供應給受屬的情況下能供應多久?」我們現在法規的就是在113年的時候天然氣的安全存量大概是8天左右到116年的時候可以到14天沒有吧\n台灣遭共經封鎖能維持台灣能源供應及發電韌性,哪一種發電方式最可靠?」\n我們現在就是用多元的發電方式是最可靠的那多元的方式最可靠那請問一下現在多元的方式是什麼樣多元的現在就是按照經濟規劃就是20、30、50然後呢就是綠電20然後這個30然後是50天然氣發電是50天然氣發電是50所謂天然氣將來的規劃2035年的時候是這樣子所謂天然氣天然氣是50%對所謂的天然氣的種類\n天然氣的種類就是天然氣的發電啊就是LNG的發電LNG的嘛對是就靠這個嘛對50%現在的能源規劃就是這樣所以它的供應量如果真的一旦封鎖台灣我們的天然氣的供應量不是18天也不是14天真正的數據是7天所以你們自己本身要了解\n天然氣是國人現在依賴的天然氣那如果一旦發生戰爭的時候我們天然氣能夠供給我們國內的天然氣有多少所以我們的儲存量有多少我剛剛跟委員報告就是在113年今年是差不多是8天左右那到116年的時候我們會把安全存量去拉到14天\n所以我們今天我們特別要很多的地方不管台海的局勢我們天然氣是國人最關切的能源局局長你特別要注意到這一點好不好以上謝謝黃仁慧委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.389 --> 00:28.431\n先請我們國安局的副局長待會再請國防部的顧部長請副局長是我們這邊特別要跟國安局來為原住民這樣的一個發聲我們要請這個吳立華要向全國的人民全國的原住民來道歉原住民不是一個破口\n\n00:29.551 --> 00:48.028\n我們在過去不管任何執政黨都是準意原住民跟對岸單純的做文化、藝術、產業的交流不是一個共諜也不是一個破口\n\n00:50.062 --> 01:03.733\n今天武力華在這個地方執行國安局局長的時候排山倒海的所有的全國原住民一直討伐連我的電話已經打爆了\n\n01:04.962 --> 01:21.809\n為什麼身為一個原住民的委員會把原住民拿到檯面上說他是一個破口所以今天我特別要講上次的一個答詢中原住民是一個破口當時局長對於相關的樣態會持續的關注請問部長請問副部長\n\n01:28.752 --> 01:40.274\n你認為原住民是中共滲透台灣的破口嗎?國安局是否有確切的個案情資顯示原住民被吸收了?\n\n01:41.400 --> 02:07.946\n是謝委員那我想中共的一個統戰方式是蠻多元的包括文化、宗教還有相關體育等等都是包含在裡面那我們原住民的青年跟中共的一個大陸的一個交流大概也像比方體育包括這個兩岸的少數民族的一個他的一個活動\n\n02:09.006 --> 02:35.998\n包括像這個新創或才藝等等現在我要你回答的是有沒有顯示原住民被吸收有沒有什麼樣的一個顯示你來回答一下就好了我想原住民有沒有被吸收我國安團隊多有在瞭解在掌搜這些情報目前我們手頭上是沒有原住民的所以\n\n02:36.963 --> 03:02.495\n今天吳立法身為原住民的立委不應該把原住民污名化封鎖原住民今天他用這個他應該我建議吳立法委員向全國的原住民道歉以上我們請國防部部長請坐\n\n03:10.385 --> 03:35.243\n是黃議員好是部長好今天有一個非常可笑而且沒有任何的精準的換算你們自己的國防部智庫國防安全研究院的蘇執雲所長在日前的表示如果美國美國\n\n03:37.458 --> 04:02.603\n要到我們保護我們台灣台海要45分鐘就到了這樣的一個說辭對你們國防的智庫所顯現出來的這樣的一個數據有沒有精準有沒有準確你來回答您是說台灣台灣在\n\n04:05.694 --> 04:16.639\n美國如果能夠派遣足夠武力到戰場能夠有多久要到我們台灣海峽這裡\n\n04:19.124 --> 04:41.644\n跟委員報告我想我還是從一個我們的整個戰略這個的一個目標來說明我們建軍是以拒止敵人達成任務為目標所以我們備戰方面是以平時能夠有效應處灰色地帶的清掃暫時我們是以削弱的戰略拒止、遲制或擾亂敵人達成作戰目標\n\n04:44.226 --> 05:08.119\n來迫使他要放棄奪台的行動也就是說我們逐次的去削弱他的戰力讓他的最後的奪台的這個行動不能夠成功我們沒有辦法跟他做一個說我們要殲滅這個國家或者是我們要如何但我們的戰略我們的戰略基本戰略就是讓他登島的作戰最後沒有辦法能夠成功所以你們國防部的智庫\n\n05:09.880 --> 05:26.821\n國防安全研究院的蘇執銀所長所表達的等於廢話若中共對台封鎖美國最快可能在45分鐘內馳援台灣我今天直接解破了你們這些國防智庫的問題\n\n05:28.066 --> 05:42.184\n美國前參謀首長聯席會主席馬克‧麥利曾表示美國能在30個小時內整備60%兵力至台海地區\n\n05:43.986 --> 06:01.965\n也是派兵到台海地區不是加入戰鬥意思就是說國軍至少要獨立支撐30個小時我們有沒有能力支撐3個小時而不是國防智庫所講的到台海要45分鐘就好了\n\n06:04.381 --> 06:26.218\n跟委員報告,如果他是一定要做這個登陸作戰的話,我們是會找到他最脆弱的點以一個不對稱作戰的一個防衛的一個概念來打擊他的最脆弱點,讓他的這個有生戰力在登島作戰的時候能夠失敗所以我想請教一下部長,你認不認同國防智庫蘇紫雲所講的這句話45分鐘,你認不認同?\n\n06:30.713 --> 06:35.760\n我一再的講就是說我們不會去講\n\n06:37.942 --> 06:47.769\n我們幾分鐘幾分鐘幾分鐘或是幾天這些事情我們的目標就是讓他們登島作戰會失敗這是我們的建築備戰的目標我現在要告訴你的身為一個國防智庫不能隨便亂講話這製造國內的緊張我向以下針對我們今天的45分的說法來反駁第一個\n\n07:04.636 --> 07:20.910\n本席對於觀點若真的以彈劃勢力所說的這個蟒蛇戰略解放軍只要願意隨時可以封鎖台灣那就是表示解放軍可同時滿足兩個條件第一個讓台灣難以突圍第二\n\n07:26.824 --> 07:31.869\n讓外部武力難以進入、干涉及區域拒止。」\n\n07:36.006 --> 08:02.882\n維台精遠一方面是台灣的施壓另一方面就是區域的拒止例如聯合力線的2024B遼寧號航空母艦編隊前往台灣東部海域就是演練區域拒止所以這個是美軍要從關島駛遠到台灣的困難度已經是大增了\n\n08:03.402 --> 08:30.010\n所以今天我特別要提醒部長這樣的一個種種的問題怎麼會是45分鐘所以我今天就要把國防智庫蘇紫雲所講的一切都不是一個事實我們現在講的是我能不能支撐到30個小時美國聯席會主席所講的如果30個小時他可以遲遠到台灣海峽\n\n08:31.730 --> 08:34.153\n不見得是要加入我們戰鬥的一個部隊\n\n08:38.676 --> 09:02.248\n來回答跟委員報告我想還是要講一下蟒蛇戰略除了我剛剛講CSIS或者格蘭也有講到以外美國的邁阿密大學政治學教授也有提到就是說他發表一篇專文就是說在講的是說中國會從外交、經濟、軍事到對台灣的顛覆滲透的一系列打壓活動他把他這個比喻為這個中國的蟒蛇戰略這個是在講就是說\n\n09:06.554 --> 09:29.746\n應用它這個沒有需要要用燈塔這個整個全面禁犯的這個手段來迫使以不斷的以來打壓台灣那唐司令所講的應該也是引用這個來說明說中國正不斷的來進行對我們的這個法律戰心理戰跟認知戰那真正如果說他要做到所謂的\n\n09:30.647 --> 09:43.808\n講到說所謂的封鎖我剛剛已經講過了全世界不可能坐視不管的因為它對全世界的經濟甚至包括對中國自己本身的經濟那個產生的那個重大的傷害是沒有一個國家可以承受的\n\n09:44.517 --> 10:03.335\n台灣海峽在地緣政治上面的重要性台灣海峽在台灣在整個經濟安全上的重要性是沒有辦法被取代的所以我們不要太仰賴美國所說的能夠直言到我們這一來我們幾個小時但是我們國軍\n\n10:05.778 --> 10:16.807\n國防能不能支撐到30小時所以這個就是一個警示那另外是我想請教一下我們經濟部的能源局部長請回\n\n10:22.526 --> 10:49.065\n這一次聯合力艦的2024B傳出LNG的天然氣船受阻礙無法按預定的期程送出天然氣到我們的台灣雖然政府說這個是錯誤的假信息但是這個消息實際上凸顯出國人的不安請問一下我們能源司長\n\n10:50.146 --> 11:08.221\n台灣的天然氣存量在供應給受屬的情況下能供應多久?」我們現在法規的就是在113年的時候天然氣的安全存量大概是8天左右到116年的時候可以到14天沒有吧\n\n11:09.684 --> 11:12.125\n台灣遭共經封鎖能維持台灣能源供應及發電韌性,哪一種發電方式最可靠?」\n\n11:36.610 --> 11:53.253\n我們現在就是用多元的發電方式是最可靠的那多元的方式最可靠那請問一下現在多元的方式是什麼樣多元的現在就是按照經濟規劃就是20、30、50然後呢就是綠電20然後這個30然後是50天然氣發電是50天然氣發電是50所謂天然氣將來的規劃2035年的時候是這樣子所謂天然氣天然氣是50%對所謂的天然氣的種類\n\n12:05.436 --> 12:29.211\n天然氣的種類就是天然氣的發電啊就是LNG的發電LNG的嘛對是就靠這個嘛對50%現在的能源規劃就是這樣所以它的供應量如果真的一旦封鎖台灣我們的天然氣的供應量不是18天也不是14天真正的數據是7天所以你們自己本身要了解\n\n12:30.692 --> 12:54.153\n天然氣是國人現在依賴的天然氣那如果一旦發生戰爭的時候我們天然氣能夠供給我們國內的天然氣有多少所以我們的儲存量有多少我剛剛跟委員報告就是在113年今年是差不多是8天左右那到116年的時候我們會把安全存量去拉到14天\n\n12:56.621 --> 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方面是對臺灣施壓，另一方面就是區域拒止，例如聯合利劍─2024B，遼寧號航空母艦編隊前往臺灣東部海域，就是演練區域拒止，所以美軍要從關島馳援到臺灣的困難度已經大增。今天我要特別提醒部長，有種種的問題，怎麼會是45分鐘？國防智庫蘇紫雲所講的一切都不是事實，我現在講的是我們能不能支撐到30個小時。據美國聯席會主席所講，如果有30個小時，他可以馳援到臺灣海峽，但不見得是要加入我們的戰鬥部隊。你來回答。"],["顧部長立雄：我還是要講一下蟒蛇戰略，除了我剛剛講的CSIS或者葛來儀也講到以外，美國邁阿密大學政治學教授也有提到，他發表一篇專文就是在講，中國會從外交、經濟、軍事進行對臺灣顛覆滲透的一系列打壓活動，他把這個比喻為中國的蟒蛇戰略。這個是在講他不需要登臺、用整個全面進犯的手段來迫使，而是不斷的來打壓臺灣。唐司令所講的，應該也是引用這個來說明，中國正不斷的來進行對我們的法律戰、心理戰跟認知戰。如果他真正要做到所謂的封鎖，我剛剛已經講過了，全世界不可能坐視不管，因為此舉對全世界的經濟，甚至包括對中國自己本身的經濟，產生的重大傷害是沒有國家可以承受的。臺灣海峽在地緣政治上的重要性，臺灣在整個經濟安全上的重要性，是沒有辦法被取代的。"],["黃委員仁：所以我們不要太仰賴美國所說的，能夠幾個小時馳援到我們這裡。但我們的國軍、國防能不能支撐到30小時？這就是一個警示。","另外，我想請教一下經濟部。部長，請回。這一次聯合利劍─2024B軍演，傳出LNG的天然氣船受阻礙，無法按預定期程送天然氣到臺灣，雖然政府說這是錯誤的假訊息，但是這個消息實際上凸顯出國人的不安。請問一下司長，臺灣的天然氣存量在供應受阻的情況下，能供應多久？"],["胡司長文中：依現在的法規，113年天然氣的安全存量大概是8天左右，到116年可以到14天。"],["黃委員仁：18天，沒有吧？14天，不要亂講！"],["胡司長文中：對，到116年可以到14天。"],["黃委員仁：不要亂講數據，好不好？14天，實際上只有提供7天，不要再混淆視聽，我們已經查得非常清楚。臺灣遭共軍封鎖，為維持臺灣的能源供應及發電韌性，哪一種發電方式最可靠？你來回答一下。"],["胡司長文中：我們現在用多元的發電方式是最可靠的，就不是只有單獨……就是到目前……"],["黃委員仁：請問現在多元的方式是怎麼樣多元？"],["胡司長文中：現在按照經濟部的規劃，就是20%、30%、50%。"],["黃委員仁：然後呢？"],["胡司長文中：就是綠電20%，然後30%，天然氣發電是50%。"],["黃委員仁：天然氣發電是50%？"],["胡司長文中：對，將來的規劃到2035年是這樣。"],["黃委員仁：所謂天然氣……"],["胡司長文中：天然氣是50%。"],["黃委員仁：所謂天然氣的種類？"],["胡司長文中：天然氣的種類就是天然氣的發電，就是LNG的發電。"],["黃委員仁：LNG的嘛？"],["胡司長文中：是。"],["黃委員仁：就靠這個嘛？是吧？"],["胡司長文中：對，50%。現在的能源規劃就是這樣。"],["黃委員仁：一旦真的封鎖臺灣，天然氣的供應量不是18天，也不是14天，真正的數據是7天，所以你們本身要了解，天然氣是國人現在依賴的，如果發生戰爭，國內能夠供給的天然氣有多少？我們的儲存量有多少？"],["胡司長文中：我剛剛跟委員報告，就是在今（113）年差不多是8天左右，到了116年，我們會把安全存量拉到14天。"],["黃委員仁：所以今天有很多、很多的地方，不管臺海的局勢如何，天然氣是國人最關切的。司長要特別注意到這一點，好不好？"],["胡司長文中：是。"],["黃委員仁：以上。"],["主席：謝謝黃仁委員。","接下來請陳冠廷委員上臺質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":352,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-35-7","speakers":["林憶君","羅美玲","陳永康","王定宇","馬文君","黃仁","陳冠廷","林楚茵","沈伯洋","徐巧芯","黃國昌","張啓楷","王鴻薇","洪申翰","羅智強","邱志偉","洪孟楷","賴士葆","張嘉郡"],"page_start":271,"meetingDate":["2024-10-23"],"gazette_id":"1138701","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138701_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請國防部部長、國家安全局、法務部調查局、海洋委員會海巡署、內政部、經濟部、農業部、\n國家發展委員會、國家科學及技術委員會、交通部、數位發展部、衛生福利部報告「針對解放軍\n未來可能透過『灰色地帶戰術』和『蟒蛇戰略』對台灣封鎖之國安危機及如何確保關鍵物資自\n主、關鍵產業、基礎設施、能源自主、民生物資、糧食安全及醫療物資供應無虞之應處作為」，\n並備質詢","agenda_id":"1138701_00004"}}}