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00:03:13,526\n沒有啦一二十萬我的錢跟人家不太一樣你那個日幣啦是大概六千八是最高的可是基本上九月多的新聞九月多的新聞沒有公布場次甚至有些人還不傻傻到底要辦在哪裡就已經有人在講要幫忙協助代購六萬二到六萬這樣子的一個價格\n\n9\n00:03:14,912 --> 00:03:24,928\n令我們瞠目結舌我們只是想聽一場藝文表演卻變成一場奢望部長這一次他有沒有實名制你知道嗎\n\n10\n00:03:26,926 --> 00:03:52,178\n看起來是沒有嘛對不對所以我要講真的是令我們非常擔憂12點以後我們一起來見證這一場慘烈的狀況周杰倫我自己都想親眼目睹一次做一個立法委員都難以去買到這樣子的一個演唱會門票更可想而知我們平常所有的國人所奢望就變成是一個夢\n\n11\n00:03:53,419 --> 00:04:07,996\n我希望說我們的打黃牛辦公室實際的作為讓民眾能夠看到可是我要講的是部長您自己本身也是藝術界您知道當這個不管是藝術品或者是作者\n\n12\n00:04:08,737 --> 00:04:32,687\n被人被所有的這個粉絲啊或者是國人所愛戴的時候那對他們來說是一個非常崇高的是非常開心的可是真正的粉絲卻沒辦法進入到現場去觀看而是黃牛不斷的透過我還曾經看過新聞報導人家是直接採訪這黃牛業者黃牛業者直接跟大家講他一個月賺幾百萬\n\n13\n00:04:34,997 --> 00:05:03,430\n這讓我們看到真的是很痛心所以我要拜託部長我希望在近期打蚊牛辦公室能夠給我們實際的作為相關的期程或者是變革這部分您可以答應嗎這個世界是蠻不公平的你剛剛講說粉絲看不到黃牛從這邊賺很多錢這世界真的很不公平我盡量再想辦法用我們現在現有的那些其實我們一直在做\n\n14\n00:05:05,471 --> 00:05:19,023\n好,你剛剛第一句話嚇到我,我以為你要叫我認清這個世界是不公平的我只是很感觸啊,我很感觸你的反述有點慢,速度快一點好不好,那個情緒來的讓我,我想說你要叫我說這個世界本來就不公平\n\n15\n00:05:19,864 --> 00:05:47,662\n好不要這樣子的態度我們希望是會努力面對改進好來部長在質詢我想跟你請問一個問題雖然你是文學專家可能不是繪畫專家但我想文學跟繪畫其實都是藝術中不可或缺的重要領域我仍然想聽聽你的一些意見這個藝術的問題很難去界定但是他很主觀但我內心是有一個答案本席想先邀請你欣賞這一幅畫我們看一下BTT\n\n16\n00:05:48,562 --> 00:05:51,968\n然後再進一步問部長這個問題部長有沒有看過這一幅圖畫沒有印象喔作者是誰我們也大概不知道這幅畫是幾世紀創作出來的\n\n17\n00:05:59,875 --> 00:06:16,572\n也不太知道好沒關係我們來看喔他看起來很像一一幅名畫但其實他不是名畫這幅畫是一名國外的男子啊他使用AI去製作的繪圖他拿這一個深層圖像去參加科羅拉多科羅拉多州的博覽會舉辦的美術展結果獲獎\n\n18\n00:06:21,397 --> 00:06:35,386\n評審團認為這幅畫達到了懂得講述故事以及有靈魂的作品的標準那很多網友就崩潰啊覺得這目睹了藝術消亡在我們眼前開始的時刻請問部長你認同嗎你覺得AI藝術創作算是藝術嗎\n\n19\n00:06:43,188 --> 00:07:09,386\nAI藝術也算是一種藝術但是因為它是透過機器去把人類的智慧再反推回來我們不能說它不是藝術但是我們要分辨什麼是自己原創什麼是AI的設計這個對我們來講尤其是文化部我們實際上對外徵件嘛徵繪本也好徵漫畫也好徵文學作品也好這點對我們來講是非常重要的去分辨它到底是AI還是原創\n\n20\n00:07:10,467 --> 00:07:38,482\n但是你說AI不是藝術好像也不能這樣講因為藝術的廣義就是大家可以欣賞就算是藝術對所以部長我覺得大家都不用擔心這件事不用緊張我們探討這個新興的問題因為AI創作是不是藝術我想是一個開放式的一個答案那每一個人都有自己的一個界定但是我想說的我心裡面的界定就是藝術它是根植於我們的社會也就是說和我們的社會變遷和文化歷史息息相關社會上當然也有一些其他不同的看法\n\n21\n00:07:39,102 --> 00:07:43,175\n有人認為AI創作就像是當初發明相機的時候\n\n22\n00:07:44,522 --> 00:08:10,630\n只是提供了一種新型態的藝術媒介但也有人認為AI創作是廉價的甚至會讓藝術走向沒落對此大家都可以有不同的觀點不過現在有一個更大的爭議是因為已經有人使用AI創作參與藝術競賽部長你認為在我們還沒有就AI創作是不是藝術達成共識的前提之下你認為讓AI作品參賽是否會引發問題\n\n23\n00:08:12,438 --> 00:08:27,333\n我剛才已經回答過我們如果發現他是AI我應該取消資格比如他就是得獎了有人來檢舉他他就應該取消資格當然我們也有看過潛力對吧我們近期就有發生類似這樣子的一個狀況\n\n24\n00:08:28,294 --> 00:08:42,720\n但我要講就是說我們有一個概念喔就像當年啊攝影技術誕生的時候同樣面臨藝術界的一個質疑但最終攝影成為了藝術的一個一部分喔所以請問部長認為AI創作是否也面臨類似的一個過程\n\n25\n00:08:43,803 --> 00:08:43,883\n﹚董事長\n\n26\n00:09:06,226 --> 00:09:35,069\n可是我覺得民眾可以不知道但文化部要有一個態度我想文化部是在這個立場上會成為一個關鍵如果文化部的這個立場有拿捏到或是是還有自己的一個態度未來對於這樣子的一個過程當中是否AI藝術會成為真正的藝術或者是它被否定不能成為藝術我想文化部在這個角色上所扮演的絕對是關鍵尤其未來不僅是AI參與\n\n27\n00:09:36,610 --> 00:10:04,128\n這個藝術的競賽可能還會涉及更復雜的一個問題例如AI生成的作品是否擁有與人類創作的作品有相同的著作權保護我想這個部分也值得我們去做探討那再來就是生成的過程涉及多位創作者作品AI生成的作品是否會侵犯原創作的一個著作權我想這個部分我們也應該要去來關注包括二次創作所以我想AI生成的作品在這樣子的狀況之下\n\n28\n00:10:05,489 --> 00:10:29,122\n文化部有沒有具體的一個因應措施我剛剛所提到的好像目前還沒有這方面的一些法律的規定但是我想我們應該要開始面對這個所以我今天點了這麼多問題就是希望我們要面對這件事情我們這一屆的政府被稱為AI內閣並為AI編列了大量的預算AI的技術運用不只是\n\n29\n00:10:29,622 --> 00:10:51,407\n只限於藝術創作所以也包括了文化創意的一個產業其他領域例如電影音樂遊戲文化部都是否會來推動AI技術這些領域的運用並提供資源的一個支持這部分我希望作為AI內閣您是部長則無旁貸我想AI創作的逐漸崛起對於傳統藝術的一個影響\n\n30\n00:10:54,068 --> 00:11:14,679\n都是一定會有的但是文化部是否認為這個改變藝術市場的結構或讓年輕藝術家面臨更大的競爭壓力我們是否有面對這樣子的一個變化的政策我想部長我希望近期能夠看到我們文化部內部開始討論開始要有一個期程旁邊點頭如搗蒜是不是直接回答一下\n\n31\n00:11:17,347 --> 00:11:21,210\n我希望這些指引AI生成式的指引要趕快出來讓藝術界能夠更加安心讓AI創作能夠有更加的明確指引這個部分麻煩文化部好嗎謝謝\n\n32\n00:11:44,841 --> 00:11:45,001\n謝謝羅廷瑋委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n15136\t30731\t羅廷瑋你好部長你好在首先開始今天的質詢我想先邀請你10月2627有機會的話來到台中你知道台中有一個林蘭通嗎\n32261\t33902\t臨南通散步納涼會臨南通散步納涼會\n54631\t79534\t他是一個由民間所發起的一個活動近年來因為臺東市政府也很關注我們覺得民間的力量值得我們去注意去協助我們也希望文化部未來能夠參考這一類的活動性質並且帶動到整個文化藝術甚至他在過往能夠參照整個日治時期所留下來的一些文化一直在延續我們也希望文化部能夠重視\n80655\t94475\t能夠一起來發展甚至能夠把這一個很好的案例複製到全國那我們也希望部長有機會來到台中10月26 27是不是撥個時間來看到我們這個林南通三不納兩會邀請你好嗎好\n95837\t115115\t第二個我要跟部長特別預告現在是10點37分再過將近一個半小時我們的藝術界演藝界就會發生一件非常慘烈的一個狀況那件狀況部長您覺得是什麼剛剛許多的委員都有提到\n119774\t138172\t你講周杰倫演唱會啊周杰倫演唱會大家會覺得這是好事啊怎麼會是慘烈的狀況部長我可以百分之一萬跟你保證待會12點以後他一定是接近秒殺然後呢開始就會哀鴻遍野全部的人就會告訴你買不到票\n139193\t160498\t現在我也到處在拜託我朋友中午大家一起守在電腦看能不能搶到一張一張算一張我們只求一張而已啊那可是我要告訴你這個待會12點那不是人在買的那是機器人在買的你知道現在基本上剛剛有一些跟你看網頁啊但是你大概知道周杰倫演唱會一張票大概多少嗎一二十萬\n166691\t193526\t沒有啦一二十萬我的錢跟人家不太一樣你那個日幣啦是大概六千八是最高的可是基本上九月多的新聞九月多的新聞沒有公布場次甚至有些人還不傻傻到底要辦在哪裡就已經有人在講要幫忙協助代購六萬二到六萬這樣子的一個價格\n194912\t204928\t令我們瞠目結舌我們只是想聽一場藝文表演卻變成一場奢望部長這一次他有沒有實名制你知道嗎\n206926\t232178\t看起來是沒有嘛對不對所以我要講真的是令我們非常擔憂12點以後我們一起來見證這一場慘烈的狀況周杰倫我自己都想親眼目睹一次做一個立法委員都難以去買到這樣子的一個演唱會門票更可想而知我們平常所有的國人所奢望就變成是一個夢\n233419\t247996\t我希望說我們的打黃牛辦公室實際的作為讓民眾能夠看到可是我要講的是部長您自己本身也是藝術界您知道當這個不管是藝術品或者是作者\n248737\t272687\t被人被所有的這個粉絲啊或者是國人所愛戴的時候那對他們來說是一個非常崇高的是非常開心的可是真正的粉絲卻沒辦法進入到現場去觀看而是黃牛不斷的透過我還曾經看過新聞報導人家是直接採訪這黃牛業者黃牛業者直接跟大家講他一個月賺幾百萬\n274997\t303430\t這讓我們看到真的是很痛心所以我要拜託部長我希望在近期打蚊牛辦公室能夠給我們實際的作為相關的期程或者是變革這部分您可以答應嗎這個世界是蠻不公平的你剛剛講說粉絲看不到黃牛從這邊賺很多錢這世界真的很不公平我盡量再想辦法用我們現在現有的那些其實我們一直在做\n305471\t319023\t好,你剛剛第一句話嚇到我,我以為你要叫我認清這個世界是不公平的我只是很感觸啊,我很感觸你的反述有點慢,速度快一點好不好,那個情緒來的讓我,我想說你要叫我說這個世界本來就不公平\n319864\t347662\t好不要這樣子的態度我們希望是會努力面對改進好來部長在質詢我想跟你請問一個問題雖然你是文學專家可能不是繪畫專家但我想文學跟繪畫其實都是藝術中不可或缺的重要領域我仍然想聽聽你的一些意見這個藝術的問題很難去界定但是他很主觀但我內心是有一個答案本席想先邀請你欣賞這一幅畫我們看一下BTT\n348562\t351968\t然後再進一步問部長這個問題部長有沒有看過這一幅圖畫沒有印象喔作者是誰我們也大概不知道這幅畫是幾世紀創作出來的\n359875\t376572\t也不太知道好沒關係我們來看喔他看起來很像一一幅名畫但其實他不是名畫這幅畫是一名國外的男子啊他使用AI去製作的繪圖他拿這一個深層圖像去參加科羅拉多科羅拉多州的博覽會舉辦的美術展結果獲獎\n381397\t395386\t評審團認為這幅畫達到了懂得講述故事以及有靈魂的作品的標準那很多網友就崩潰啊覺得這目睹了藝術消亡在我們眼前開始的時刻請問部長你認同嗎你覺得AI藝術創作算是藝術嗎\n403188\t429386\tAI藝術也算是一種藝術但是因為它是透過機器去把人類的智慧再反推回來我們不能說它不是藝術但是我們要分辨什麼是自己原創什麼是AI的設計這個對我們來講尤其是文化部我們實際上對外徵件嘛徵繪本也好徵漫畫也好徵文學作品也好這點對我們來講是非常重要的去分辨它到底是AI還是原創\n430467\t458482\t但是你說AI不是藝術好像也不能這樣講因為藝術的廣義就是大家可以欣賞就算是藝術對所以部長我覺得大家都不用擔心這件事不用緊張我們探討這個新興的問題因為AI創作是不是藝術我想是一個開放式的一個答案那每一個人都有自己的一個界定但是我想說的我心裡面的界定就是藝術它是根植於我們的社會也就是說和我們的社會變遷和文化歷史息息相關社會上當然也有一些其他不同的看法\n459102\t463175\t有人認為AI創作就像是當初發明相機的時候\n464522\t490630\t只是提供了一種新型態的藝術媒介但也有人認為AI創作是廉價的甚至會讓藝術走向沒落對此大家都可以有不同的觀點不過現在有一個更大的爭議是因為已經有人使用AI創作參與藝術競賽部長你認為在我們還沒有就AI創作是不是藝術達成共識的前提之下你認為讓AI作品參賽是否會引發問題\n492438\t507333\t我剛才已經回答過我們如果發現他是AI我應該取消資格比如他就是得獎了有人來檢舉他他就應該取消資格當然我們也有看過潛力對吧我們近期就有發生類似這樣子的一個狀況\n508294\t522720\t但我要講就是說我們有一個概念喔就像當年啊攝影技術誕生的時候同樣面臨藝術界的一個質疑但最終攝影成為了藝術的一個一部分喔所以請問部長認為AI創作是否也面臨類似的一個過程\n523803\t523883\t﹚董事長\n546226\t575069\t可是我覺得民眾可以不知道但文化部要有一個態度我想文化部是在這個立場上會成為一個關鍵如果文化部的這個立場有拿捏到或是是還有自己的一個態度未來對於這樣子的一個過程當中是否AI藝術會成為真正的藝術或者是它被否定不能成為藝術我想文化部在這個角色上所扮演的絕對是關鍵尤其未來不僅是AI參與\n576610\t604128\t這個藝術的競賽可能還會涉及更復雜的一個問題例如AI生成的作品是否擁有與人類創作的作品有相同的著作權保護我想這個部分也值得我們去做探討那再來就是生成的過程涉及多位創作者作品AI生成的作品是否會侵犯原創作的一個著作權我想這個部分我們也應該要去來關注包括二次創作所以我想AI生成的作品在這樣子的狀況之下\n605489\t629122\t文化部有沒有具體的一個因應措施我剛剛所提到的好像目前還沒有這方面的一些法律的規定但是我想我們應該要開始面對這個所以我今天點了這麼多問題就是希望我們要面對這件事情我們這一屆的政府被稱為AI內閣並為AI編列了大量的預算AI的技術運用不只是\n629622\t651407\t只限於藝術創作所以也包括了文化創意的一個產業其他領域例如電影音樂遊戲文化部都是否會來推動AI技術這些領域的運用並提供資源的一個支持這部分我希望作為AI內閣您是部長則無旁貸我想AI創作的逐漸崛起對於傳統藝術的一個影響\n654068\t674679\t都是一定會有的但是文化部是否認為這個改變藝術市場的結構或讓年輕藝術家面臨更大的競爭壓力我們是否有面對這樣子的一個變化的政策我想部長我希望近期能夠看到我們文化部內部開始討論開始要有一個期程旁邊點頭如搗蒜是不是直接回答一下\n677347\t681210\t我希望這些指引AI生成式的指引要趕快出來讓藝術界能夠更加安心讓AI創作能夠有更加的明確指引這個部分麻煩文化部好嗎謝謝\n704841\t705001\t謝謝羅廷瑋委員\n","txt":"羅廷瑋你好部長你好在首先開始今天的質詢我想先邀請你10月2627有機會的話來到台中你知道台中有一個林蘭通嗎\n臨南通散步納涼會臨南通散步納涼會\n他是一個由民間所發起的一個活動近年來因為臺東市政府也很關注我們覺得民間的力量值得我們去注意去協助我們也希望文化部未來能夠參考這一類的活動性質並且帶動到整個文化藝術甚至他在過往能夠參照整個日治時期所留下來的一些文化一直在延續我們也希望文化部能夠重視\n能夠一起來發展甚至能夠把這一個很好的案例複製到全國那我們也希望部長有機會來到台中10月26 27是不是撥個時間來看到我們這個林南通三不納兩會邀請你好嗎好\n第二個我要跟部長特別預告現在是10點37分再過將近一個半小時我們的藝術界演藝界就會發生一件非常慘烈的一個狀況那件狀況部長您覺得是什麼剛剛許多的委員都有提到\n你講周杰倫演唱會啊周杰倫演唱會大家會覺得這是好事啊怎麼會是慘烈的狀況部長我可以百分之一萬跟你保證待會12點以後他一定是接近秒殺然後呢開始就會哀鴻遍野全部的人就會告訴你買不到票\n現在我也到處在拜託我朋友中午大家一起守在電腦看能不能搶到一張一張算一張我們只求一張而已啊那可是我要告訴你這個待會12點那不是人在買的那是機器人在買的你知道現在基本上剛剛有一些跟你看網頁啊但是你大概知道周杰倫演唱會一張票大概多少嗎一二十萬\n沒有啦一二十萬我的錢跟人家不太一樣你那個日幣啦是大概六千八是最高的可是基本上九月多的新聞九月多的新聞沒有公布場次甚至有些人還不傻傻到底要辦在哪裡就已經有人在講要幫忙協助代購六萬二到六萬這樣子的一個價格\n令我們瞠目結舌我們只是想聽一場藝文表演卻變成一場奢望部長這一次他有沒有實名制你知道嗎\n看起來是沒有嘛對不對所以我要講真的是令我們非常擔憂12點以後我們一起來見證這一場慘烈的狀況周杰倫我自己都想親眼目睹一次做一個立法委員都難以去買到這樣子的一個演唱會門票更可想而知我們平常所有的國人所奢望就變成是一個夢\n我希望說我們的打黃牛辦公室實際的作為讓民眾能夠看到可是我要講的是部長您自己本身也是藝術界您知道當這個不管是藝術品或者是作者\n被人被所有的這個粉絲啊或者是國人所愛戴的時候那對他們來說是一個非常崇高的是非常開心的可是真正的粉絲卻沒辦法進入到現場去觀看而是黃牛不斷的透過我還曾經看過新聞報導人家是直接採訪這黃牛業者黃牛業者直接跟大家講他一個月賺幾百萬\n這讓我們看到真的是很痛心所以我要拜託部長我希望在近期打蚊牛辦公室能夠給我們實際的作為相關的期程或者是變革這部分您可以答應嗎這個世界是蠻不公平的你剛剛講說粉絲看不到黃牛從這邊賺很多錢這世界真的很不公平我盡量再想辦法用我們現在現有的那些其實我們一直在做\n好,你剛剛第一句話嚇到我,我以為你要叫我認清這個世界是不公平的我只是很感觸啊,我很感觸你的反述有點慢,速度快一點好不好,那個情緒來的讓我,我想說你要叫我說這個世界本來就不公平\n好不要這樣子的態度我們希望是會努力面對改進好來部長在質詢我想跟你請問一個問題雖然你是文學專家可能不是繪畫專家但我想文學跟繪畫其實都是藝術中不可或缺的重要領域我仍然想聽聽你的一些意見這個藝術的問題很難去界定但是他很主觀但我內心是有一個答案本席想先邀請你欣賞這一幅畫我們看一下BTT\n然後再進一步問部長這個問題部長有沒有看過這一幅圖畫沒有印象喔作者是誰我們也大概不知道這幅畫是幾世紀創作出來的\n也不太知道好沒關係我們來看喔他看起來很像一一幅名畫但其實他不是名畫這幅畫是一名國外的男子啊他使用AI去製作的繪圖他拿這一個深層圖像去參加科羅拉多科羅拉多州的博覽會舉辦的美術展結果獲獎\n評審團認為這幅畫達到了懂得講述故事以及有靈魂的作品的標準那很多網友就崩潰啊覺得這目睹了藝術消亡在我們眼前開始的時刻請問部長你認同嗎你覺得AI藝術創作算是藝術嗎\nAI藝術也算是一種藝術但是因為它是透過機器去把人類的智慧再反推回來我們不能說它不是藝術但是我們要分辨什麼是自己原創什麼是AI的設計這個對我們來講尤其是文化部我們實際上對外徵件嘛徵繪本也好徵漫畫也好徵文學作品也好這點對我們來講是非常重要的去分辨它到底是AI還是原創\n但是你說AI不是藝術好像也不能這樣講因為藝術的廣義就是大家可以欣賞就算是藝術對所以部長我覺得大家都不用擔心這件事不用緊張我們探討這個新興的問題因為AI創作是不是藝術我想是一個開放式的一個答案那每一個人都有自己的一個界定但是我想說的我心裡面的界定就是藝術它是根植於我們的社會也就是說和我們的社會變遷和文化歷史息息相關社會上當然也有一些其他不同的看法\n有人認為AI創作就像是當初發明相機的時候\n只是提供了一種新型態的藝術媒介但也有人認為AI創作是廉價的甚至會讓藝術走向沒落對此大家都可以有不同的觀點不過現在有一個更大的爭議是因為已經有人使用AI創作參與藝術競賽部長你認為在我們還沒有就AI創作是不是藝術達成共識的前提之下你認為讓AI作品參賽是否會引發問題\n我剛才已經回答過我們如果發現他是AI我應該取消資格比如他就是得獎了有人來檢舉他他就應該取消資格當然我們也有看過潛力對吧我們近期就有發生類似這樣子的一個狀況\n但我要講就是說我們有一個概念喔就像當年啊攝影技術誕生的時候同樣面臨藝術界的一個質疑但最終攝影成為了藝術的一個一部分喔所以請問部長認為AI創作是否也面臨類似的一個過程\n﹚董事長\n可是我覺得民眾可以不知道但文化部要有一個態度我想文化部是在這個立場上會成為一個關鍵如果文化部的這個立場有拿捏到或是是還有自己的一個態度未來對於這樣子的一個過程當中是否AI藝術會成為真正的藝術或者是它被否定不能成為藝術我想文化部在這個角色上所扮演的絕對是關鍵尤其未來不僅是AI參與\n這個藝術的競賽可能還會涉及更復雜的一個問題例如AI生成的作品是否擁有與人類創作的作品有相同的著作權保護我想這個部分也值得我們去做探討那再來就是生成的過程涉及多位創作者作品AI生成的作品是否會侵犯原創作的一個著作權我想這個部分我們也應該要去來關注包括二次創作所以我想AI生成的作品在這樣子的狀況之下\n文化部有沒有具體的一個因應措施我剛剛所提到的好像目前還沒有這方面的一些法律的規定但是我想我們應該要開始面對這個所以我今天點了這麼多問題就是希望我們要面對這件事情我們這一屆的政府被稱為AI內閣並為AI編列了大量的預算AI的技術運用不只是\n只限於藝術創作所以也包括了文化創意的一個產業其他領域例如電影音樂遊戲文化部都是否會來推動AI技術這些領域的運用並提供資源的一個支持這部分我希望作為AI內閣您是部長則無旁貸我想AI創作的逐漸崛起對於傳統藝術的一個影響\n都是一定會有的但是文化部是否認為這個改變藝術市場的結構或讓年輕藝術家面臨更大的競爭壓力我們是否有面對這樣子的一個變化的政策我想部長我希望近期能夠看到我們文化部內部開始討論開始要有一個期程旁邊點頭如搗蒜是不是直接回答一下\n我希望這些指引AI生成式的指引要趕快出來讓藝術界能夠更加安心讓AI創作能夠有更加的明確指引這個部分麻煩文化部好嗎謝謝\n謝謝羅廷瑋委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:15.136 --> 00:30.731\n羅廷瑋你好部長你好在首先開始今天的質詢我想先邀請你10月2627有機會的話來到台中你知道台中有一個林蘭通嗎\n\n00:32.261 --> 00:33.902\n臨南通散步納涼會臨南通散步納涼會\n\n00:54.631 --> 01:19.534\n他是一個由民間所發起的一個活動近年來因為臺東市政府也很關注我們覺得民間的力量值得我們去注意去協助我們也希望文化部未來能夠參考這一類的活動性質並且帶動到整個文化藝術甚至他在過往能夠參照整個日治時期所留下來的一些文化一直在延續我們也希望文化部能夠重視\n\n01:20.655 --> 01:34.475\n能夠一起來發展甚至能夠把這一個很好的案例複製到全國那我們也希望部長有機會來到台中10月2627是不是撥個時間來看到我們這個林南通三不納兩會邀請你好嗎好\n\n01:35.837 --> 01:55.115\n第二個我要跟部長特別預告現在是10點37分再過將近一個半小時我們的藝術界演藝界就會發生一件非常慘烈的一個狀況那件狀況部長您覺得是什麼剛剛許多的委員都有提到\n\n01:59.774 --> 02:18.172\n你講周杰倫演唱會啊周杰倫演唱會大家會覺得這是好事啊怎麼會是慘烈的狀況部長我可以百分之一萬跟你保證待會12點以後他一定是接近秒殺然後呢開始就會哀鴻遍野全部的人就會告訴你買不到票\n\n02:19.193 --> 02:40.498\n現在我也到處在拜託我朋友中午大家一起守在電腦看能不能搶到一張一張算一張我們只求一張而已啊那可是我要告訴你這個待會12點那不是人在買的那是機器人在買的你知道現在基本上剛剛有一些跟你看網頁啊但是你大概知道周杰倫演唱會一張票大概多少嗎一二十萬\n\n02:46.691 --> 03:13.526\n沒有啦一二十萬我的錢跟人家不太一樣你那個日幣啦是大概六千八是最高的可是基本上九月多的新聞九月多的新聞沒有公布場次甚至有些人還不傻傻到底要辦在哪裡就已經有人在講要幫忙協助代購六萬二到六萬這樣子的一個價格\n\n03:14.912 --> 03:24.928\n令我們瞠目結舌我們只是想聽一場藝文表演卻變成一場奢望部長這一次他有沒有實名制你知道嗎\n\n03:26.926 --> 03:52.178\n看起來是沒有嘛對不對所以我要講真的是令我們非常擔憂12點以後我們一起來見證這一場慘烈的狀況周杰倫我自己都想親眼目睹一次做一個立法委員都難以去買到這樣子的一個演唱會門票更可想而知我們平常所有的國人所奢望就變成是一個夢\n\n03:53.419 --> 04:07.996\n我希望說我們的打黃牛辦公室實際的作為讓民眾能夠看到可是我要講的是部長您自己本身也是藝術界您知道當這個不管是藝術品或者是作者\n\n04:08.737 --> 04:32.687\n被人被所有的這個粉絲啊或者是國人所愛戴的時候那對他們來說是一個非常崇高的是非常開心的可是真正的粉絲卻沒辦法進入到現場去觀看而是黃牛不斷的透過我還曾經看過新聞報導人家是直接採訪這黃牛業者黃牛業者直接跟大家講他一個月賺幾百萬\n\n04:34.997 --> 05:03.430\n這讓我們看到真的是很痛心所以我要拜託部長我希望在近期打蚊牛辦公室能夠給我們實際的作為相關的期程或者是變革這部分您可以答應嗎這個世界是蠻不公平的你剛剛講說粉絲看不到黃牛從這邊賺很多錢這世界真的很不公平我盡量再想辦法用我們現在現有的那些其實我們一直在做\n\n05:05.471 --> 05:19.023\n好,你剛剛第一句話嚇到我,我以為你要叫我認清這個世界是不公平的我只是很感觸啊,我很感觸你的反述有點慢,速度快一點好不好,那個情緒來的讓我,我想說你要叫我說這個世界本來就不公平\n\n05:19.864 --> 05:47.662\n好不要這樣子的態度我們希望是會努力面對改進好來部長在質詢我想跟你請問一個問題雖然你是文學專家可能不是繪畫專家但我想文學跟繪畫其實都是藝術中不可或缺的重要領域我仍然想聽聽你的一些意見這個藝術的問題很難去界定但是他很主觀但我內心是有一個答案本席想先邀請你欣賞這一幅畫我們看一下BTT\n\n05:48.562 --> 05:51.968\n然後再進一步問部長這個問題部長有沒有看過這一幅圖畫沒有印象喔作者是誰我們也大概不知道這幅畫是幾世紀創作出來的\n\n05:59.875 --> 06:16.572\n也不太知道好沒關係我們來看喔他看起來很像一一幅名畫但其實他不是名畫這幅畫是一名國外的男子啊他使用AI去製作的繪圖他拿這一個深層圖像去參加科羅拉多科羅拉多州的博覽會舉辦的美術展結果獲獎\n\n06:21.397 --> 06:35.386\n評審團認為這幅畫達到了懂得講述故事以及有靈魂的作品的標準那很多網友就崩潰啊覺得這目睹了藝術消亡在我們眼前開始的時刻請問部長你認同嗎你覺得AI藝術創作算是藝術嗎\n\n06:43.188 --> 07:09.386\nAI藝術也算是一種藝術但是因為它是透過機器去把人類的智慧再反推回來我們不能說它不是藝術但是我們要分辨什麼是自己原創什麼是AI的設計這個對我們來講尤其是文化部我們實際上對外徵件嘛徵繪本也好徵漫畫也好徵文學作品也好這點對我們來講是非常重要的去分辨它到底是AI還是原創\n\n07:10.467 --> 07:38.482\n但是你說AI不是藝術好像也不能這樣講因為藝術的廣義就是大家可以欣賞就算是藝術對所以部長我覺得大家都不用擔心這件事不用緊張我們探討這個新興的問題因為AI創作是不是藝術我想是一個開放式的一個答案那每一個人都有自己的一個界定但是我想說的我心裡面的界定就是藝術它是根植於我們的社會也就是說和我們的社會變遷和文化歷史息息相關社會上當然也有一些其他不同的看法\n\n07:39.102 --> 07:43.175\n有人認為AI創作就像是當初發明相機的時候\n\n07:44.522 --> 08:10.630\n只是提供了一種新型態的藝術媒介但也有人認為AI創作是廉價的甚至會讓藝術走向沒落對此大家都可以有不同的觀點不過現在有一個更大的爭議是因為已經有人使用AI創作參與藝術競賽部長你認為在我們還沒有就AI創作是不是藝術達成共識的前提之下你認為讓AI作品參賽是否會引發問題\n\n08:12.438 --> 08:27.333\n我剛才已經回答過我們如果發現他是AI我應該取消資格比如他就是得獎了有人來檢舉他他就應該取消資格當然我們也有看過潛力對吧我們近期就有發生類似這樣子的一個狀況\n\n08:28.294 --> 08:42.720\n但我要講就是說我們有一個概念喔就像當年啊攝影技術誕生的時候同樣面臨藝術界的一個質疑但最終攝影成為了藝術的一個一部分喔所以請問部長認為AI創作是否也面臨類似的一個過程\n\n08:43.803 --> 08:43.883\n﹚董事長\n\n09:06.226 --> 09:35.069\n可是我覺得民眾可以不知道但文化部要有一個態度我想文化部是在這個立場上會成為一個關鍵如果文化部的這個立場有拿捏到或是是還有自己的一個態度未來對於這樣子的一個過程當中是否AI藝術會成為真正的藝術或者是它被否定不能成為藝術我想文化部在這個角色上所扮演的絕對是關鍵尤其未來不僅是AI參與\n\n09:36.610 --> 10:04.128\n這個藝術的競賽可能還會涉及更復雜的一個問題例如AI生成的作品是否擁有與人類創作的作品有相同的著作權保護我想這個部分也值得我們去做探討那再來就是生成的過程涉及多位創作者作品AI生成的作品是否會侵犯原創作的一個著作權我想這個部分我們也應該要去來關注包括二次創作所以我想AI生成的作品在這樣子的狀況之下\n\n10:05.489 --> 10:29.122\n文化部有沒有具體的一個因應措施我剛剛所提到的好像目前還沒有這方面的一些法律的規定但是我想我們應該要開始面對這個所以我今天點了這麼多問題就是希望我們要面對這件事情我們這一屆的政府被稱為AI內閣並為AI編列了大量的預算AI的技術運用不只是\n\n10:29.622 --> 10:51.407\n只限於藝術創作所以也包括了文化創意的一個產業其他領域例如電影音樂遊戲文化部都是否會來推動AI技術這些領域的運用並提供資源的一個支持這部分我希望作為AI內閣您是部長則無旁貸我想AI創作的逐漸崛起對於傳統藝術的一個影響\n\n10:54.068 --> 11:14.679\n都是一定會有的但是文化部是否認為這個改變藝術市場的結構或讓年輕藝術家面臨更大的競爭壓力我們是否有面對這樣子的一個變化的政策我想部長我希望近期能夠看到我們文化部內部開始討論開始要有一個期程旁邊點頭如搗蒜是不是直接回答一下\n\n11:17.347 --> 11:21.210\n我希望這些指引AI生成式的指引要趕快出來讓藝術界能夠更加安心讓AI創作能夠有更加的明確指引這個部分麻煩文化部好嗎謝謝\n\n11:44.841 --> 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是非常崇高的、是非常開心的，可是真正的粉絲卻沒辦法進到現場去觀看，而是黃牛不斷地透過……我還曾經看過新聞報導，人家是直接採訪這些黃牛業者，黃牛業者直接跟大家講他一個月賺幾百萬，讓我們看到真的是很痛心，所以我要拜託部長，我希望近期打黃牛辦公室能夠給我們實際的作為、相關的期程或者是變革，這部分您可以答應嗎？"],["李部長遠：這個世界滿不公平的，你剛剛說粉絲看不到，黃牛從這邊賺很多錢，這世界真的很不公平，我儘量再想辦法用我們現有的那些……其實我們一直在做耶！"],["羅委員廷瑋：好，你剛剛第一句話嚇到我，我以為你要叫我認清這個世界是不公平的。"],["李部長遠：我只是有感觸。"],["羅委員廷瑋：你的感觸有點慢，速度快一點好不好，那個情緒來的讓我……我想說你要跟我說這個世界本來就不公平，不要這樣子的態度，我們希望的是面對、改進。"],["李部長遠：我們會努力。"],["羅委員廷瑋：部長，在質詢我想跟你詢問一個問題，雖然你是文學專家，可能不是繪畫專家，但我想文學跟繪畫其實都是藝術中不可或缺的重要領域，我仍然想聽聽你的一些意見，藝術的問題很難去界定，它很主觀，但我內心有一個答案，本席想先邀請你欣賞這一幅畫，我們看一下PPT，然後再進一步問部長這個問題，部長有沒有看過這一幅圖畫？沒有印象喔？作者是誰我們大概也不知道；這幅畫是幾世紀創作出來的？也不太知道，好，沒關係。我們來看，它看起來很像一幅名畫，但其實它不是名畫，這幅畫是一名國外的男子，他使用AI去製作的繪圖，他拿這一個生成圖像去參加科羅拉多州博覽會舉辦的美術展，結果獲獎了，評審團認為這幅畫達到懂得講述故事以及有靈魂的作品的標準。很多網友就崩潰，覺得目睹了藝術開始消亡在我們眼前的時刻，請問部長你認同嗎？你覺得AI藝術創作算是藝術嗎？"],["李部長遠：AI藝術也算是一種藝術，但是因為它是透過機器去把人類的智慧再反推回來，我們不能說它不是藝術，但是我們要分辨什麼是自己原創、什麼是AI的設計，這個對我們來講，尤其是文化部，我們時常對外徵件，徵繪本也好、徵漫畫也好，徵文學作品也好，這點對我們來講是非常重要的，去分辨它到底是AI還是原創，但是你說AI不是藝術，好像也不能這樣講，因為廣義的藝術是大家可以欣賞就算是藝術。"],["羅委員廷瑋：對，所以部長，我覺得大家都不用擔心這件事，不用緊張，我們探討這個新興的問題，AI創作是不是藝術，我想是一個開放式的答案，每一個人都有自己的界定，但是我心裡面的界定就是藝術是根植於我們的社會，也就是說，與我們的社會變遷及文化歷史息息相關。社會上當然也有一些其他不同的看法，有人認為AI創作就像是當初發明相機的時候，只是提供了一種新型態的藝術媒介，但也有人認為AI創作是廉價的，甚至會讓藝術走向沒落，對此，大家都可以有不同的觀點。不過現在有一個更大的爭議，是因為已經有人使用AI創作參與藝術競賽，部長，在我們還沒有就AI創作是不是藝術達成共識的前提之下，你認為讓AI作品參賽是否會引發問題？"],["李部長遠：我剛剛已經回答過，我們如果發現它是AI，應該取消資格，譬如它得獎了，有人來檢舉它，它就應該取消資格。"],["羅委員廷瑋：當然我們也有看過前例，對吧？我們近期就有發生類似這樣的狀況，但我要講就是我們有一個概念，就像當年攝影技術誕生的時候，同樣面臨藝術界的質疑，但最終攝影成為藝術的一部分，所以請問部長，你認為AI創作是否也面臨類似的過程，這個過程你覺得是不是類似？"],["李部長遠：還不知道它未來會發展成什麼樣子，就像您剛剛講攝影跟繪畫，他們能夠拍得這麼真實，也有人可以畫得這麼真實，它的藝術價值在哪裡，各有各的說法，AI會不會成為未來藝術的一個項目，憑良心講，我還不知道。"],["羅委員廷瑋：好，我覺得民眾可以不知道，但文化部要有一個態度，我想文化部在這個立場上會成為一個關鍵，如果文化部的立場有拿捏到，或者是有自己的態度，未來對於這樣子的過程當中，是否AI藝術會成為真正的藝術，或者是它被否定，不能成為藝術，我想文化部在這個角色上所扮演的絕對是關鍵。","尤其未來不僅是AI參與藝術的競賽，可能還會涉及更複雜的問題，例如AI生成的作品是否擁有與人類創作的作品有相同的著作權保護，我想這個部分也值得我們去探討。再來就是生成的過程涉及多位創作者的作品，AI生成的作品是否會侵犯原創作的著作權，我想這個部分我們也應該要去關注，包括二次創作。AI生成的作品，在這樣子的狀況之下，文化部有沒有具體的因應措施？我剛剛所提到的。"],["李部長遠：好像目前還沒有這方面的一些法律規定，但是我想我們應該要開始面對這個。"],["羅委員廷瑋：所以我今天點了這麼多問題，就是希望我們要面對這件事情。我們這一屆的政府被稱為AI內閣，並為AI編列了大量的預算，AI的技術運用不只限於藝術創作，也包括了文化創意產業的其他領域，例如電影、音樂、遊戲。文化部是否都會來推動AI技術這些領域的運用，並提供資源的支持？這個部分我希望作為AI內閣，您是部長，責無旁貸。我想AI創作逐漸崛起，對於傳統藝術的影響都是一定會有的，文化部是否認為這個會改變藝術市場的結構，會讓年輕藝術家面臨更大的競爭壓力？你們是否有面對這樣子變化的政策？部長，我希望近期能夠看到文化部內部開始討論，開始要有個期程。旁邊點頭如搗蒜，是不是直接回答一下？"],["魏司長秋宜：跟委員報告，委員關心的這個議題，其實我們已經在準備，目前已經整個開始討論，要進行生成式AI使用的指引，這個部分我們已經有持續規劃在進行。"],["羅委員廷瑋：我希望這些AI生成式的指引要趕快出來，讓藝術界能夠更加安心，讓AI創作能夠有更加明確的指引，這個部分麻煩文化部好嗎？謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝羅廷瑋委員。等一下12點因為我們這裡還在開會，倒是文化部有人有空等等可以看一下羅廷瑋委員剛剛所謂的災難。不過部長，真的要提醒您，其實昨天我有朋友好整以暇地說他一定會有周杰倫的票，因為他說有人找他很清楚6萬塊代購，所以今天很多委員在談這個議題，我想文化部還是要注意一下。謝謝羅廷瑋委員。","接下來我們有請陳秀寳委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":382,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-5","speakers":["萬美玲","林倩綺","洪孟楷","柯志恩","葉元之","陳培瑜","林宜瑾","羅廷瑋","陳秀寳","葛如鈞","張雅琳","郭昱晴","吳沛憶","吳春城","范雲","陳菁徽","楊瓊瓔","徐富癸","郭國文","王鴻薇","陳亭妃","林楚茵","何欣純","蔡易餘","邱志偉","賴惠員","涂權吉","高金素梅"],"page_start":309,"meetingDate":["2024-10-23"],"gazette_id":"1138901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138901_00006"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請文化部部長李遠列席報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1138901_00005"}}}