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00:00:49,193\n依照我們今天的主題似乎必須要再加把勁同時所有的主管機關也必須要有所應應例如說可能要做一個什麼快速打擊部隊之類的針對\n\n3\n00:00:53,097 --> 00:00:54,438\n其實我們也知道總院長代表政府宣誓要積極打擊毒品\n\n4\n00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:38,649\n要落實這個無毒家園的願景所以在4年裡面預計要編列150億來持續推動第三期的這個新世代的緩毒策略來讓這個新興毒品的氾濫可以得到有效的控制\n\n5\n00:01:39,309 --> 00:02:05,061\n那其中有一個重要的部分就是要做一些尿液的檢測檢查那剛剛有很多委員就說你了解說你夜間突然抓到一個疑似犯的時候你怎麼去判斷他是不是真的使用到了這個的確是有他執行上必須要在精進的地方那到今年7月為止已經有2.8件以上的這些檢查檢驗已經超過\n\n6\n00:02:06,462 --> 00:02:06,682\n李卓人議員\n\n7\n00:02:26,844 --> 00:02:46,914\n除了量以外這個質量怎麼做才會方便又能夠達到實際上的成效那這部分不知道部長目前有沒有什麼樣的因應作為我想衛福部站在專業的立場針對各種藥物的一個藥性它的影響各方面都會提供專業的\n\n8\n00:02:48,175 --> 00:03:13,768\n一個建議給相關的一個部會包括法務部、內政部、證書等等的大家共同有一個依據來分析來想辦法來實踐我們一個新世代的一個環圖的一個計畫那至於說這個量的夠不夠是不是法務部方面有沒有要那個在\n\n9\n00:03:27,222 --> 00:03:38,732\n第三期的工作重點我們可以看到在持續全國尿液的廣篩檢驗量能第二期是14萬件第三期的目標值是21.5萬件\n\n10\n00:03:43,975 --> 00:04:05,020\n法務部的長官也有提到這其實是由法務部購入的嘛那你們在編的時候有沒有針對於再過來的變化有哪一些的預期性的因應跟委員報告法務部主責的部分是氣堵的策略查氣的氣堵策略那有關於煙毒的部分是\n\n11\n00:04:06,479 --> 00:04:08,861\n您剛問的事實上它在尿液檢驗方面事實上這個尿液驗毒的其實不是衛福部的職\n\n12\n00:04:29,961 --> 00:04:29,981\n韓國瑜議員\n\n13\n00:04:47,534 --> 00:04:48,254\n有關新興煙毒品防制及強化虐童\n\n14\n00:05:08,963 --> 00:05:34,269\n規定他們在檢驗後的結果會給一定要報到食藥署那食藥署會把統計資料就是是到底有多少的量會公告在食藥署的網站那因為這個是民間的實驗室所以他的大概的量能大概是由是是因為靠檢證署委託去檢驗他們的所以到底他的量能會需要多少這個食藥署手上現在是沒有資料\n\n15\n00:05:35,469 --> 00:06:02,911\n所以除了食藥署他負責後面的這些處理以外那相關單位應該是要由誰來進行這方面的盤查呢這不知道什麼人可以說明一下我想剛剛食藥署有報告我們是認證我們去那個辦理濫用藥物的一個陰尿液檢查實驗室的認證那他的一個\n\n16\n00:06:04,808 --> 00:06:20,773\n統計的資料也都由消史來、官網來公布、各界來參考應該這個部分是至於檢驗機構這個部分是由內政部的警政署來委託檢驗標案來處理\n\n17\n00:06:26,024 --> 00:06:46,118\n好,所以是不是請部長這邊再根據這個...我們來瞭解瞭解一下齁,他那邊的一個量的一個...好,好,啊,稍後會看能不能有一個初步的報告好,沒問題沒問題好,拜託我們都是跨部會一起在努力的好,再來就是這個...這個案件是什麼應該是我們會請警政署去盤整跟提出來好\n\n18\n00:06:46,878 --> 00:07:12,539\n再過來剛剛有提到很多加速新興毒品認定期程嘛因為我們知道說這個去年9月這個一坨米紙就已經造成很大的衝擊跟困擾那目前我們知道就是每三個月定期檢討這真的是實際上太不符合現在的需要那什麼時候會進行或召開臨時會議或者是根據這個毒品危害防治條例過來因應\n\n19\n00:07:14,961 --> 00:07:15,141\n主席\n\n20\n00:07:36,235 --> 00:08:01,017\n我列管了有關於這個在國內還沒有出現但是在聯合國的這個毒品以及犯罪防治辦公室裡面有列了一項我們就把它列為二級毒品另外也列了兩個先驅顏料作為四級的這個先驅的毒品那剛委員提到的就是說一度米子的部分我們已經在禮拜一級已經發案在蒐集資料\n\n21\n00:08:02,518 --> 00:08:22,698\n我們預計在下個月收集完了之後預計在下個月的月底或者12月初就會召開這個毒品審議委員會來給這個毒品審議委員的委員來做一個參考是不是要把那個伊通鼻子把它升級到二級毒品以上報告\n\n22\n00:08:23,058 --> 00:08:39,594\n好謝謝希望能夠越確快越好那另外就是說這個毒品的部分是由毒品危害防治條例來制定那事實上行政院也會根據這個刑法第185之3公告毒品的項目這兩項到底有連結嗎\n\n23\n00:08:42,799 --> 00:09:09,507\n會不會說我這邊這個毒品原來防治條例公布的內容跟這個行政院針對刑法1853公告的毒品項目有那些不一致造成在執法上的一些困境跟委員報告有關於這個毒價的185條之3的第三項就是尿液跟血液所含的毒品有一定的預值就會構成185條之3的第三項的罪者的話\n\n24\n00:09:10,922 --> 00:09:15,937\n其實前提就是要衛福部的食藥署要公告那一個毒品的預指\n\n25\n00:09:17,284 --> 00:09:41,113\n意旨達到那個意旨就會直接過成這個罪名那在12月去年的12月其實這個衛部已經公告了我記得是38項的這個毒品意旨的一個公告那有關伊東米子的部分我們已經也拜託這個食藥署這一部分能夠盡快的把這個檢驗的意旨把它訂出來\n\n26\n00:09:41,873 --> 00:10:00,872\n我們就可以升級之後就可以用這個即便沒升級啦就是一直公告了之後就可以適用185-3的這個第三款的規定來加以處罰在還沒有一直沒公告之前我們可以用第四款的一個規定但是要證明它有適用毒品\n\n27\n00:10:01,288 --> 00:10:01,769\n最後跟部長討論一下\n\n28\n00:10:18,967 --> 00:10:37,536\n媽媽的子女造成了困難或困擾因為剛剛我稍微有提到這些使用毒品的家長當他尤其是媽媽小孩子出生的時候造成的這些影響因為臺灣少子化這麼嚴重老家的毒癮媽媽\n\n29\n00:10:38,957 --> 00:11:08,266\n有生下這個小朋友來的話我想這個困境就會更高因為依據我們現在所知道的這個死亡率如果是父母也一方使用鴉片的話成癮是2.3倍的死亡率那如果媽媽本身是鴉片要劣的成癮者是3.9倍這是要作謝的地方那針對這個毒癮媽媽未來在做相關的這些產檢檢查或者是所需要的這些相關的服務部分這邊也期待部長能夠多關心\n\n30\n00:11:08,826 --> 00:11:09,186\n好,謝謝王委員,謝謝部長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10086\t36581\t好 非常感謝主席我們也請邱部長好 部長請委員好部長今天可以聽那麼多看起來真的是計畫趕不上變化我想法治國家它有一定的流程要去檢討、要去討論、要去面對很多很多的困難\n38022\t49193\t依照我們今天的主題似乎必須要再加把勁同時所有的主管機關也必須要有所應應例如說可能要做一個什麼快速打擊部隊之類的針對\n53097\t54438\t其實我們也知道總院長代表政府宣誓要積極打擊毒品\n81960\t98649\t要落實這個無毒家園的願景所以在4年裡面預計要編列150億來持續推動第三期的這個新世代的緩毒策略來讓這個新興毒品的氾濫可以得到有效的控制\n99309\t125061\t那其中有一個重要的部分就是要做一些尿液的檢測檢查那剛剛有很多委員就說你了解說你夜間突然抓到一個疑似犯的時候你怎麼去判斷他是不是真的使用到了這個的確是有他執行上必須要在精進的地方那到今年7月為止已經有2.8件以上的這些檢查檢驗已經超過\n126462\t126682\t李卓人議員\n146844\t166914\t除了量以外這個質量怎麼做才會方便又能夠達到實際上的成效那這部分不知道部長目前有沒有什麼樣的因應作為我想衛福部站在專業的立場針對各種藥物的一個藥性它的影響各方面都會提供專業的\n168175\t193768\t一個建議給相關的一個部會包括法務部、內政部、證書等等的大家共同有一個依據來分析來想辦法來實踐我們一個新世代的一個環圖的一個計畫那至於說這個量的夠不夠是不是法務部方面有沒有要那個在\n207222\t218732\t第三期的工作重點我們可以看到在持續全國尿液的廣篩檢驗量能第二期是14萬件第三期的目標值是21.5萬件\n223975\t245020\t法務部的長官也有提到這其實是由法務部購入的嘛那你們在編的時候有沒有針對於再過來的變化有哪一些的預期性的因應跟委員報告法務部主責的部分是氣堵的策略查氣的氣堵策略那有關於煙毒的部分是\n246479\t248861\t您剛問的事實上它在尿液檢驗方面事實上這個尿液驗毒的其實不是衛福部的職\n269961\t269981\t韓國瑜議員\n287534\t288254\t有關新興煙毒品防制及強化虐童\n308963\t334269\t規定他們在檢驗後的結果會給一定要報到食藥署那食藥署會把統計資料就是是到底有多少的量會公告在食藥署的網站那因為這個是民間的實驗室所以他的大概的量能大概是由是是因為靠檢證署委託去檢驗他們的所以到底他的量能會需要多少這個食藥署手上現在是沒有資料\n335469\t362911\t所以除了食藥署他負責後面的這些處理以外那相關單位應該是要由誰來進行這方面的盤查呢這不知道什麼人可以說明一下我想剛剛食藥署有報告我們是認證我們去那個辦理濫用藥物的一個陰尿液檢查實驗室的認證那他的一個\n364808\t380773\t統計的資料也都由消史來、官網來公布、各界來參考應該這個部分是至於檢驗機構這個部分是由內政部的警政署來委託檢驗標案來處理\n386024\t406118\t好,所以是不是請部長這邊再根據這個...我們來瞭解瞭解一下齁,他那邊的一個量的一個...好,好,啊,稍後會看能不能有一個初步的報告好,沒問題沒問題好,拜託我們都是跨部會一起在努力的好,再來就是這個...這個案件是什麼應該是我們會請警政署去盤整跟提出來好\n406878\t432539\t再過來剛剛有提到很多加速新興毒品認定期程嘛因為我們知道說這個去年9月這個一坨米紙就已經造成很大的衝擊跟困擾那目前我們知道就是每三個月定期檢討這真的是實際上太不符合現在的需要那什麼時候會進行或召開臨時會議或者是根據這個毒品危害防治條例過來因應\n434961\t435141\t主席\n456235\t481017\t我列管了有關於這個在國內還沒有出現但是在聯合國的這個毒品以及犯罪防治辦公室裡面有列了一項我們就把它列為二級毒品另外也列了兩個先驅顏料作為四級的這個先驅的毒品那剛委員提到的就是說一度米子的部分我們已經在禮拜一級已經發案在蒐集資料\n482518\t502698\t我們預計在下個月收集完了之後預計在下個月的月底或者12月初就會召開這個毒品審議委員會來給這個毒品審議委員的委員來做一個參考是不是要把那個伊通鼻子把它升級到二級毒品以上報告\n503058\t519594\t好 謝謝希望能夠越確快越好那另外就是說這個毒品的部分是由毒品危害防治條例來制定那事實上行政院也會根據這個刑法第185之3公告毒品的項目這兩項到底有連結嗎\n522799\t549507\t會不會說我這邊這個毒品原來防治條例公布的內容跟這個行政院針對刑法1853公告的毒品項目有那些不一致造成在執法上的一些困境跟委員報告有關於這個毒價的185條之3的第三項就是尿液跟血液所含的毒品有一定的預值就會構成185條之3的第三項的罪者的話\n550922\t555937\t其實前提就是要衛福部的食藥署要公告那一個毒品的預指\n557284\t581113\t意旨達到那個意旨就會直接過成這個罪名那在12月去年的12月其實這個衛部已經公告了我記得是38項的這個毒品意旨的一個公告那有關伊東米子的部分我們已經也拜託這個食藥署這一部分能夠盡快的把這個檢驗的意旨把它訂出來\n581873\t600872\t我們就可以升級之後就可以用這個即便沒升級啦就是一直公告了之後就可以適用185-3的這個第三款的規定來加以處罰在還沒有一直沒公告之前我們可以用第四款的一個規定但是要證明它有適用毒品\n601288\t601769\t最後跟部長討論一下\n618967\t637536\t媽媽的子女造成了困難或困擾因為剛剛我稍微有提到這些使用毒品的家長當他尤其是媽媽小孩子出生的時候造成的這些影響因為臺灣少子化這麼嚴重老家的毒癮媽媽\n638957\t668266\t有生下這個小朋友來的話我想這個困境就會更高因為依據我們現在所知道的這個死亡率如果是父母也一方使用鴉片的話成癮是2.3倍的死亡率那如果媽媽本身是鴉片要劣的成癮者是3.9倍這是要作謝的地方那針對這個毒癮媽媽未來在做相關的這些產檢檢查或者是所需要的這些相關的服務部分這邊也期待部長能夠多關心\n668826\t669186\t好,謝謝王委員,謝謝部長\n","txt":"好 非常感謝主席我們也請邱部長好 部長請委員好部長今天可以聽那麼多看起來真的是計畫趕不上變化我想法治國家它有一定的流程要去檢討、要去討論、要去面對很多很多的困難\n依照我們今天的主題似乎必須要再加把勁同時所有的主管機關也必須要有所應應例如說可能要做一個什麼快速打擊部隊之類的針對\n其實我們也知道總院長代表政府宣誓要積極打擊毒品\n要落實這個無毒家園的願景所以在4年裡面預計要編列150億來持續推動第三期的這個新世代的緩毒策略來讓這個新興毒品的氾濫可以得到有效的控制\n那其中有一個重要的部分就是要做一些尿液的檢測檢查那剛剛有很多委員就說你了解說你夜間突然抓到一個疑似犯的時候你怎麼去判斷他是不是真的使用到了這個的確是有他執行上必須要在精進的地方那到今年7月為止已經有2.8件以上的這些檢查檢驗已經超過\n李卓人議員\n除了量以外這個質量怎麼做才會方便又能夠達到實際上的成效那這部分不知道部長目前有沒有什麼樣的因應作為我想衛福部站在專業的立場針對各種藥物的一個藥性它的影響各方面都會提供專業的\n一個建議給相關的一個部會包括法務部、內政部、證書等等的大家共同有一個依據來分析來想辦法來實踐我們一個新世代的一個環圖的一個計畫那至於說這個量的夠不夠是不是法務部方面有沒有要那個在\n第三期的工作重點我們可以看到在持續全國尿液的廣篩檢驗量能第二期是14萬件第三期的目標值是21.5萬件\n法務部的長官也有提到這其實是由法務部購入的嘛那你們在編的時候有沒有針對於再過來的變化有哪一些的預期性的因應跟委員報告法務部主責的部分是氣堵的策略查氣的氣堵策略那有關於煙毒的部分是\n您剛問的事實上它在尿液檢驗方面事實上這個尿液驗毒的其實不是衛福部的職\n韓國瑜議員\n有關新興煙毒品防制及強化虐童\n規定他們在檢驗後的結果會給一定要報到食藥署那食藥署會把統計資料就是是到底有多少的量會公告在食藥署的網站那因為這個是民間的實驗室所以他的大概的量能大概是由是是因為靠檢證署委託去檢驗他們的所以到底他的量能會需要多少這個食藥署手上現在是沒有資料\n所以除了食藥署他負責後面的這些處理以外那相關單位應該是要由誰來進行這方面的盤查呢這不知道什麼人可以說明一下我想剛剛食藥署有報告我們是認證我們去那個辦理濫用藥物的一個陰尿液檢查實驗室的認證那他的一個\n統計的資料也都由消史來、官網來公布、各界來參考應該這個部分是至於檢驗機構這個部分是由內政部的警政署來委託檢驗標案來處理\n好,所以是不是請部長這邊再根據這個...我們來瞭解瞭解一下齁,他那邊的一個量的一個...好,好,啊,稍後會看能不能有一個初步的報告好,沒問題沒問題好,拜託我們都是跨部會一起在努力的好,再來就是這個...這個案件是什麼應該是我們會請警政署去盤整跟提出來好\n再過來剛剛有提到很多加速新興毒品認定期程嘛因為我們知道說這個去年9月這個一坨米紙就已經造成很大的衝擊跟困擾那目前我們知道就是每三個月定期檢討這真的是實際上太不符合現在的需要那什麼時候會進行或召開臨時會議或者是根據這個毒品危害防治條例過來因應\n主席\n我列管了有關於這個在國內還沒有出現但是在聯合國的這個毒品以及犯罪防治辦公室裡面有列了一項我們就把它列為二級毒品另外也列了兩個先驅顏料作為四級的這個先驅的毒品那剛委員提到的就是說一度米子的部分我們已經在禮拜一級已經發案在蒐集資料\n我們預計在下個月收集完了之後預計在下個月的月底或者12月初就會召開這個毒品審議委員會來給這個毒品審議委員的委員來做一個參考是不是要把那個伊通鼻子把它升級到二級毒品以上報告\n好 謝謝希望能夠越確快越好那另外就是說這個毒品的部分是由毒品危害防治條例來制定那事實上行政院也會根據這個刑法第185之3公告毒品的項目這兩項到底有連結嗎\n會不會說我這邊這個毒品原來防治條例公布的內容跟這個行政院針對刑法1853公告的毒品項目有那些不一致造成在執法上的一些困境跟委員報告有關於這個毒價的185條之3的第三項就是尿液跟血液所含的毒品有一定的預值就會構成185條之3的第三項的罪者的話\n其實前提就是要衛福部的食藥署要公告那一個毒品的預指\n意旨達到那個意旨就會直接過成這個罪名那在12月去年的12月其實這個衛部已經公告了我記得是38項的這個毒品意旨的一個公告那有關伊東米子的部分我們已經也拜託這個食藥署這一部分能夠盡快的把這個檢驗的意旨把它訂出來\n我們就可以升級之後就可以用這個即便沒升級啦就是一直公告了之後就可以適用185-3的這個第三款的規定來加以處罰在還沒有一直沒公告之前我們可以用第四款的一個規定但是要證明它有適用毒品\n最後跟部長討論一下\n媽媽的子女造成了困難或困擾因為剛剛我稍微有提到這些使用毒品的家長當他尤其是媽媽小孩子出生的時候造成的這些影響因為臺灣少子化這麼嚴重老家的毒癮媽媽\n有生下這個小朋友來的話我想這個困境就會更高因為依據我們現在所知道的這個死亡率如果是父母也一方使用鴉片的話成癮是2.3倍的死亡率那如果媽媽本身是鴉片要劣的成癮者是3.9倍這是要作謝的地方那針對這個毒癮媽媽未來在做相關的這些產檢檢查或者是所需要的這些相關的服務部分這邊也期待部長能夠多關心\n好,謝謝王委員,謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.086 --> 00:36.581\n好非常感謝主席我們也請邱部長好部長請委員好部長今天可以聽那麼多看起來真的是計畫趕不上變化我想法治國家它有一定的流程要去檢討、要去討論、要去面對很多很多的困難\n\n00:38.022 --> 00:49.193\n依照我們今天的主題似乎必須要再加把勁同時所有的主管機關也必須要有所應應例如說可能要做一個什麼快速打擊部隊之類的針對\n\n00:53.097 --> 00:54.438\n其實我們也知道總院長代表政府宣誓要積極打擊毒品\n\n01:21.960 --> 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09:09.507\n會不會說我這邊這個毒品原來防治條例公布的內容跟這個行政院針對刑法1853公告的毒品項目有那些不一致造成在執法上的一些困境跟委員報告有關於這個毒價的185條之3的第三項就是尿液跟血液所含的毒品有一定的預值就會構成185條之3的第三項的罪者的話\n\n09:10.922 --> 09:15.937\n其實前提就是要衛福部的食藥署要公告那一個毒品的預指\n\n09:17.284 --> 09:41.113\n意旨達到那個意旨就會直接過成這個罪名那在12月去年的12月其實這個衛部已經公告了我記得是38項的這個毒品意旨的一個公告那有關伊東米子的部分我們已經也拜託這個食藥署這一部分能夠盡快的把這個檢驗的意旨把它訂出來\n\n09:41.873 --> 10:00.872\n我們就可以升級之後就可以用這個即便沒升級啦就是一直公告了之後就可以適用185-3的這個第三款的規定來加以處罰在還沒有一直沒公告之前我們可以用第四款的一個規定但是要證明它有適用毒品\n\n10:01.288 --> 10:01.769\n最後跟部長討論一下\n\n10:18.967 --> 10:37.536\n媽媽的子女造成了困難或困擾因為剛剛我稍微有提到這些使用毒品的家長當他尤其是媽媽小孩子出生的時候造成的這些影響因為臺灣少子化這麼嚴重老家的毒癮媽媽\n\n10:38.957 --> 11:08.266\n有生下這個小朋友來的話我想這個困境就會更高因為依據我們現在所知道的這個死亡率如果是父母也一方使用鴉片的話成癮是2.3倍的死亡率那如果媽媽本身是鴉片要劣的成癮者是3.9倍這是要作謝的地方那針對這個毒癮媽媽未來在做相關的這些產檢檢查或者是所需要的這些相關的服務部分這邊也期待部長能夠多關心\n\n11:08.826 --> 11:09.186\n好,謝謝王委員,謝謝部長\n\n","segments":[{"start":10.086,"end":36.581,"text":"好 非常感謝主席我們也請邱部長好 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