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00:02:18,579\n那我們還爭取一個崇德豐原縣那台中市政府已經提出中央已經合訂了1170萬來辦理所謂的可行性研究我們會補助1170萬這個你們已經合訂了啦各位部長上次有承諾那也真的馬上說到做到了所以非常感謝那當然綠線的延伸這個我們也繼續在推動當中那我現在\n\n7\n00:02:22,941 --> 00:02:37,487\n基本上就是要請部長支持一件事因為之前的李孟業、李部長有支持我在7月8號有考察我們臺中的捷運路網那時候在我們的臺中火車站裡面那裡有一個藍線跟橘線會交叉\n\n8\n00:02:38,547 --> 00:02:53,266\n交叉的轉乘站目前我們是在甘城離台中市的火車站平台大概動線有380公尺所以我們那一次考察的時候有認為\n\n9\n00:02:54,568 --> 00:03:18,603\n方向決議距離的動線這個380公尺希望把它縮短不管用什麼方式我相信這個是專業上技術上一定做得到的因為我們可以預期預期未來這個臺中市捷運入網成型之後這裡的一個轉運的樞紐還有這個人潮一定是非常多的所以我接著就要問一下部長\n\n10\n00:03:20,034 --> 00:03:35,674\n我剛剛提到了現在的捷運藍線、橘線是在台中車站的甘城交會那距離380公尺非常不方便那甘城之後我們在7月8號的那一次考察我們不管藍綠的立委\n\n11\n00:03:37,296 --> 00:03:54,344\n還有了很多的市議員有提出一個建議那個建議就是在現行規劃於臺中車站甘城的那個站交會之外我們有沒有可能在增設一站是比較連結這個臺鐵的火車站比較近距離的\n\n12\n00:03:59,806 --> 00:04:25,293\n那這個部分我現在就要問說之前的李孟彥部長他支持共戰那希望解決這個問題那現在呢我碰到一個當時候考察時候也提到大車站計畫裡面我們曾經有一個臺鐵的都更那這個都更現在目前的進度呢也從107年就提出來了對目前正在進行這個都更的過程那這個過程應該是在臺鐵局長\n\n13\n00:04:30,009 --> 00:04:33,690\n這個因為上一次會刊跟委員報告上一次會刊那個就是我們上次交通委員會去考察啦我記得不分藍綠的委員都到了那考察現場委員應該清楚就是說本來我們這個都更的規劃都已經完成了要提報可是因為現在那個預計那個車站會往南移嘛\n\n14\n00:04:58,078 --> 00:05:13,893\n那所以說他那個不是往南移喔那個方案有好幾個方案喔我還記得7月8號考察的現場除了現在既有的規劃的方案ABC之外我們又有一個公司提出另外一個方案是說乾層不動\n\n15\n00:05:15,294 --> 00:05:43,542\n不移因為你們早就公告早就已經讓地方知道說那裡會有一個甘城站那我們現在是希望解決380公尺的距離那這個動線我們希望這個廊道不是戶外可以呢戶外跟室內兼顧那室內呢考量成本我們有好幾個方案其中一個方案是什麼我們有沒有可能再增設一站捷運的捷運站\n\n16\n00:05:45,063 --> 00:05:48,613\n離台中車站比較近的捷運站再增設一個\n\n17\n00:05:50,199 --> 00:06:14,634\n主任那次的考察是我主持的所以我記得很清楚所以我們現在希望是不分藍綠的委員的共識我們要解決這一個大平台380公尺的這一個距離如何能夠把它化為是安全舒適而且是未來真的達到轉運效果的那一個方案是什麼那牽涉到你的都更啊\n\n18\n00:06:15,506 --> 00:06:29,825\n那個應該跟委包應該這樣齁就是說在那個可言裡面他如果把這個方案定下來以後我們就可以馬上來推動報告委員其實台中市政府如果把方案定說要經過台鐵的那塊地台鐵有沒有影響\n\n19\n00:06:31,247 --> 00:06:50,120\n臺鐵會來配合那如果臺中市政府提出交通部一定支持因為這個真的對兩站的那個距離的拉近相當有幫助那這個部分會照委員您所建議的方案來進行但要由臺中市政府他們來提出但是我現在碰到一個問題啊總不能大家等來等過去啊\n\n20\n00:06:51,141 --> 00:07:13,386\n你說你要等臺中市政府那臺中市政府說啊臺鐵的這個都跟怎樣所以兩方我記得在7月8號的考察那個會議現場我們也有要求臺鐵跟臺中市政府能夠組成一個溝通平臺定期的來討論這一件事情那到底有沒有組成有沒有談過啊之前有談過嗎\n\n21\n00:07:16,246 --> 00:07:32,114\n之前沒有談到現在還沒有談過從7月8號到現在現在10月中旬了您今天提到這件事我們趕快要求鐵道局也好臺鐵公司也好主動的去找臺中市政府來討論這件事是嗎是要快速來解決這個問題我再拜託部長拜託我們董事長拜託局長、楊局長\n\n22\n00:07:37,457 --> 00:07:49,986\n這個真的要兩方面中央地方大家一起合作不要說誰在等誰不要等來等去你看從7月8號的考察到現在10月中旬了單來單過去本來說要建立一個溝通平台要成立一個專案小組也好或者是溝通平台也好要定期的來開會溝通結果到現在等了三個多月了也還沒等到原來連第一次都還沒有我現在是拜託好不好\n\n23\n00:08:07,477 --> 00:08:21,829\n我們主動去建立這個溝通平台我們定期的跟台中市政府來溝通我們希望台中市政府趕快確定是不是在甘城之外可以增設這一個\n\n24\n00:08:24,370 --> 00:08:42,970\n結運站然後呢把這個距離380公尺的這個從結運的這個藍線跟橘線的這個交匯處到中間的這個客運的轉運站到我們火車站這380公尺的這個距離我們真的要想出一個最好的方法來解決嘛\n\n25\n00:08:43,871 --> 00:09:12,857\n那以現在的科技以現在的專業我相信一定做得到的所以拜託主動跟臺中市政府溝通因為一旦這個增設的這個站體有確定你們的都更才有可能確定嘛那你雙方都確定的時候才可以進行招商你的資產才可以活化你這個大火車站的計畫才能夠完整嘛你要知道我們臺中的城區要\n\n26\n00:09:14,197 --> 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有沒有影響\n391247\t410120\t臺鐵會來配合那如果臺中市政府提出交通部一定支持因為這個真的對兩站的那個距離的拉近相當有幫助那這個部分會照委員您所建議的方案來進行但要由臺中市政府他們來提出但是我現在碰到一個問題啊總不能大家等來等過去啊\n411141\t433386\t你說你要等臺中市政府那臺中市政府說啊臺鐵的這個都跟怎樣所以兩方我記得在7月8號的考察那個會議現場我們也有要求臺鐵跟臺中市政府能夠組成一個溝通平臺定期的來討論這一件事情那到底有沒有組成有沒有談過啊之前有談過嗎\n436246\t452114\t之前沒有談到現在還沒有談過從7月8號到現在現在10月中旬了您今天提到這件事我們趕快要求鐵道局也好臺鐵公司也好主動的去找臺中市政府來討論這件事是嗎是要快速來解決這個問題我再拜託部長拜託我們董事長拜託局長、楊局長\n457457\t469986\t這個真的要兩方面中央地方大家一起合作不要說誰在等誰不要等來等去你看從7月8號的考察到現在10月中旬了單來單過去本來說要建立一個溝通平台要成立一個專案小組也好或者是溝通平台也好要定期的來開會溝通結果到現在等了三個多月了也還沒等到原來連第一次都還沒有我現在是拜託好不好\n487477\t501829\t我們主動去建立這個溝通平台我們定期的跟台中市政府來溝通我們希望台中市政府趕快確定是不是在甘城之外可以增設這一個\n504370\t522970\t結運站然後呢把這個距離380公尺的這個從結運的這個藍線跟橘線的這個交匯處到中間的這個客運的轉運站到我們火車站這380公尺的這個距離我們真的要想出一個最好的方法來解決嘛\n523871\t552857\t那以現在的科技以現在的專業我相信一定做得到的所以拜託主動跟臺中市政府溝通因為一旦這個增設的這個站體有確定你們的都更才有可能確定嘛那你雙方都確定的時候才可以進行招商你的資產才可以活化你這個大火車站的計畫才能夠完整嘛你要知道我們臺中的城區要\n554197\t570890\t發展就是靠你們啦拜託啦主動一點好不好我們一起努力我要求他們主動而且快速的去跟台中市政府是是是是這樣子我們才能夠帶動台中城區的發展好不好部長拜託那什麼時候可以給我消息你們什麼時候要主動盡快給委員書盡快你先你現在今天會後就趕快定時間會後直接去找找你報告好不好好謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席和我們盧昭偉我們請那個陳世凱部長交通部陳部長部長好\n在進入這個臺鐵的諮詢之前還是在提醒在拜託對我們臺中清泉鋼機場的國際航線你要全力來支持要增加這個一定會支持一定支持跟民航局、核局長有特別交代一定要支持好那我們希望在近期內可以看到那接著我要問臺我們的軌道部長來自臺中所以對\n台中捷運路網非常清楚那我們現在呢台中捷運已經落後台北30年了這個昨天市府自己講的那我們現在要拼這個全線推進全線開工那這個需要很大很大中央的支持我現在先整理出來這個部長應該也非常熟悉大屏幕的屯區的環狀線現在台中市政府可行性研究在修正當中那藍線呢\n已經合訂基本設計現在交通部正在審議那藍線還有一個延伸太平屯區的是我們縣政府對不起,台中市政府可行性研究也還在修正當中那中央也支持我知道我們過去那個李部長也很支持局限我們已經基本原則同意現在可行性研究要修正修正報告\n這個月10月1號交通部已經收到那現在正在審議當中那還有兩條線就是局線的延伸清水我們希望台中市政府可以提出這個可行性的一個評估那我們中央來補助這個部分補助沒有問題現在等台中市政府提出\n那我們還爭取一個崇德豐原縣那台中市政府已經提出中央已經合訂了1170萬來辦理所謂的可行性研究我們會補助1170萬這個你們已經合訂了啦各位部長上次有承諾那也真的馬上說到做到了所以非常感謝那當然綠線的延伸這個我們也繼續在推動當中那我現在\n基本上就是要請部長支持一件事因為之前的李孟業、李部長有支持我在7月8號有考察我們臺中的捷運路網那時候在我們的臺中火車站裡面那裡有一個藍線跟橘線會交叉\n交叉的轉乘站目前我們是在甘城離台中市的火車站平台大概動線有380公尺所以我們那一次考察的時候有認為\n方向決議距離的動線這個380公尺希望把它縮短不管用什麼方式我相信這個是專業上技術上一定做得到的因為我們可以預期預期未來這個臺中市捷運入網成型之後這裡的一個轉運的樞紐還有這個人潮一定是非常多的所以我接著就要問一下部長\n我剛剛提到了現在的捷運藍線、橘線是在台中車站的甘城交會那距離380公尺非常不方便那甘城之後我們在7月8號的那一次考察我們不管藍綠的立委\n還有了很多的市議員有提出一個建議那個建議就是在現行規劃於臺中車站甘城的那個站交會之外我們有沒有可能在增設一站是比較連結這個臺鐵的火車站比較近距離的\n那這個部分我現在就要問說之前的李孟彥部長他支持共戰那希望解決這個問題那現在呢我碰到一個當時候考察時候也提到大車站計畫裡面我們曾經有一個臺鐵的都更那這個都更現在目前的進度呢也從107年就提出來了對目前正在進行這個都更的過程那這個過程應該是在臺鐵局長\n這個因為上一次會刊跟委員報告上一次會刊那個就是我們上次交通委員會去考察啦我記得不分藍綠的委員都到了那考察現場委員應該清楚就是說本來我們這個都更的規劃都已經完成了要提報可是因為現在那個預計那個車站會往南移嘛\n那所以說他那個不是往南移喔那個方案有好幾個方案喔我還記得7月8號考察的現場除了現在既有的規劃的方案ABC之外我們又有一個公司提出另外一個方案是說乾層不動\n不移因為你們早就公告早就已經讓地方知道說那裡會有一個甘城站那我們現在是希望解決380公尺的距離那這個動線我們希望這個廊道不是戶外可以呢戶外跟室內兼顧那室內呢考量成本我們有好幾個方案其中一個方案是什麼我們有沒有可能再增設一站捷運的捷運站\n離台中車站比較近的捷運站再增設一個\n主任那次的考察是我主持的所以我記得很清楚所以我們現在希望是不分藍綠的委員的共識我們要解決這一個大平台380公尺的這一個距離如何能夠把它化為是安全舒適而且是未來真的達到轉運效果的那一個方案是什麼那牽涉到你的都更啊\n那個應該跟委包應該這樣齁就是說在那個可言裡面他如果把這個方案定下來以後我們就可以馬上來推動報告委員其實台中市政府如果把方案定說要經過台鐵的那塊地台鐵 有沒有影響\n臺鐵會來配合那如果臺中市政府提出交通部一定支持因為這個真的對兩站的那個距離的拉近相當有幫助那這個部分會照委員您所建議的方案來進行但要由臺中市政府他們來提出但是我現在碰到一個問題啊總不能大家等來等過去啊\n你說你要等臺中市政府那臺中市政府說啊臺鐵的這個都跟怎樣所以兩方我記得在7月8號的考察那個會議現場我們也有要求臺鐵跟臺中市政府能夠組成一個溝通平臺定期的來討論這一件事情那到底有沒有組成有沒有談過啊之前有談過嗎\n之前沒有談到現在還沒有談過從7月8號到現在現在10月中旬了您今天提到這件事我們趕快要求鐵道局也好臺鐵公司也好主動的去找臺中市政府來討論這件事是嗎是要快速來解決這個問題我再拜託部長拜託我們董事長拜託局長、楊局長\n這個真的要兩方面中央地方大家一起合作不要說誰在等誰不要等來等去你看從7月8號的考察到現在10月中旬了單來單過去本來說要建立一個溝通平台要成立一個專案小組也好或者是溝通平台也好要定期的來開會溝通結果到現在等了三個多月了也還沒等到原來連第一次都還沒有我現在是拜託好不好\n我們主動去建立這個溝通平台我們定期的跟台中市政府來溝通我們希望台中市政府趕快確定是不是在甘城之外可以增設這一個\n結運站然後呢把這個距離380公尺的這個從結運的這個藍線跟橘線的這個交匯處到中間的這個客運的轉運站到我們火車站這380公尺的這個距離我們真的要想出一個最好的方法來解決嘛\n那以現在的科技以現在的專業我相信一定做得到的所以拜託主動跟臺中市政府溝通因為一旦這個增設的這個站體有確定你們的都更才有可能確定嘛那你雙方都確定的時候才可以進行招商你的資產才可以活化你這個大火車站的計畫才能夠完整嘛你要知道我們臺中的城區要\n發展就是靠你們啦拜託啦主動一點好不好我們一起努力我要求他們主動而且快速的去跟台中市政府是是是是這樣子我們才能夠帶動台中城區的發展好不好部長拜託那什麼時候可以給我消息你們什麼時候要主動盡快給委員書盡快你先你現在今天會後就趕快定時間會後直接去找找你報告好不好好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.565 --> 00:08.188\n謝謝主席和我們盧昭偉我們請那個陳世凱部長交通部陳部長部長好\n\n00:17.640 --> 00:36.470\n在進入這個臺鐵的諮詢之前還是在提醒在拜託對我們臺中清泉鋼機場的國際航線你要全力來支持要增加這個一定會支持一定支持跟民航局、核局長有特別交代一定要支持好那我們希望在近期內可以看到那接著我要問臺我們的軌道部長來自臺中所以對\n\n00:43.214 --> 01:11.542\n台中捷運路網非常清楚那我們現在呢台中捷運已經落後台北30年了這個昨天市府自己講的那我們現在要拼這個全線推進全線開工那這個需要很大很大中央的支持我現在先整理出來這個部長應該也非常熟悉大屏幕的屯區的環狀線現在台中市政府可行性研究在修正當中那藍線呢\n\n01:13.042 --> 01:37.699\n已經合訂基本設計現在交通部正在審議那藍線還有一個延伸太平屯區的是我們縣政府對不起,台中市政府可行性研究也還在修正當中那中央也支持我知道我們過去那個李部長也很支持局限我們已經基本原則同意現在可行性研究要修正修正報告\n\n01:39.620 --> 01:57.267\n這個月10月1號交通部已經收到那現在正在審議當中那還有兩條線就是局線的延伸清水我們希望台中市政府可以提出這個可行性的一個評估那我們中央來補助這個部分補助沒有問題現在等台中市政府提出\n\n01:58.627 --> 02:18.579\n那我們還爭取一個崇德豐原縣那台中市政府已經提出中央已經合訂了1170萬來辦理所謂的可行性研究我們會補助1170萬這個你們已經合訂了啦各位部長上次有承諾那也真的馬上說到做到了所以非常感謝那當然綠線的延伸這個我們也繼續在推動當中那我現在\n\n02:22.941 --> 02:37.487\n基本上就是要請部長支持一件事因為之前的李孟業、李部長有支持我在7月8號有考察我們臺中的捷運路網那時候在我們的臺中火車站裡面那裡有一個藍線跟橘線會交叉\n\n02:38.547 --> 02:53.266\n交叉的轉乘站目前我們是在甘城離台中市的火車站平台大概動線有380公尺所以我們那一次考察的時候有認為\n\n02:54.568 --> 03:18.603\n方向決議距離的動線這個380公尺希望把它縮短不管用什麼方式我相信這個是專業上技術上一定做得到的因為我們可以預期預期未來這個臺中市捷運入網成型之後這裡的一個轉運的樞紐還有這個人潮一定是非常多的所以我接著就要問一下部長\n\n03:20.034 --> 03:35.674\n我剛剛提到了現在的捷運藍線、橘線是在台中車站的甘城交會那距離380公尺非常不方便那甘城之後我們在7月8號的那一次考察我們不管藍綠的立委\n\n03:37.296 --> 03:54.344\n還有了很多的市議員有提出一個建議那個建議就是在現行規劃於臺中車站甘城的那個站交會之外我們有沒有可能在增設一站是比較連結這個臺鐵的火車站比較近距離的\n\n03:59.806 --> 04:25.293\n那這個部分我現在就要問說之前的李孟彥部長他支持共戰那希望解決這個問題那現在呢我碰到一個當時候考察時候也提到大車站計畫裡面我們曾經有一個臺鐵的都更那這個都更現在目前的進度呢也從107年就提出來了對目前正在進行這個都更的過程那這個過程應該是在臺鐵局長\n\n04:30.009 --> 04:33.690\n這個因為上一次會刊跟委員報告上一次會刊那個就是我們上次交通委員會去考察啦我記得不分藍綠的委員都到了那考察現場委員應該清楚就是說本來我們這個都更的規劃都已經完成了要提報可是因為現在那個預計那個車站會往南移嘛\n\n04:58.078 --> 05:13.893\n那所以說他那個不是往南移喔那個方案有好幾個方案喔我還記得7月8號考察的現場除了現在既有的規劃的方案ABC之外我們又有一個公司提出另外一個方案是說乾層不動\n\n05:15.294 --> 05:43.542\n不移因為你們早就公告早就已經讓地方知道說那裡會有一個甘城站那我們現在是希望解決380公尺的距離那這個動線我們希望這個廊道不是戶外可以呢戶外跟室內兼顧那室內呢考量成本我們有好幾個方案其中一個方案是什麼我們有沒有可能再增設一站捷運的捷運站\n\n05:45.063 --> 05:48.613\n離台中車站比較近的捷運站再增設一個\n\n05:50.199 --> 06:14.634\n主任那次的考察是我主持的所以我記得很清楚所以我們現在希望是不分藍綠的委員的共識我們要解決這一個大平台380公尺的這一個距離如何能夠把它化為是安全舒適而且是未來真的達到轉運效果的那一個方案是什麼那牽涉到你的都更啊\n\n06:15.506 --> 06:29.825\n那個應該跟委包應該這樣齁就是說在那個可言裡面他如果把這個方案定下來以後我們就可以馬上來推動報告委員其實台中市政府如果把方案定說要經過台鐵的那塊地台鐵有沒有影響\n\n06:31.247 --> 06:50.120\n臺鐵會來配合那如果臺中市政府提出交通部一定支持因為這個真的對兩站的那個距離的拉近相當有幫助那這個部分會照委員您所建議的方案來進行但要由臺中市政府他們來提出但是我現在碰到一個問題啊總不能大家等來等過去啊\n\n06:51.141 --> 07:13.386\n你說你要等臺中市政府那臺中市政府說啊臺鐵的這個都跟怎樣所以兩方我記得在7月8號的考察那個會議現場我們也有要求臺鐵跟臺中市政府能夠組成一個溝通平臺定期的來討論這一件事情那到底有沒有組成有沒有談過啊之前有談過嗎\n\n07:16.246 --> 07:32.114\n之前沒有談到現在還沒有談過從7月8號到現在現在10月中旬了您今天提到這件事我們趕快要求鐵道局也好臺鐵公司也好主動的去找臺中市政府來討論這件事是嗎是要快速來解決這個問題我再拜託部長拜託我們董事長拜託局長、楊局長\n\n07:37.457 --> 07:49.986\n這個真的要兩方面中央地方大家一起合作不要說誰在等誰不要等來等去你看從7月8號的考察到現在10月中旬了單來單過去本來說要建立一個溝通平台要成立一個專案小組也好或者是溝通平台也好要定期的來開會溝通結果到現在等了三個多月了也還沒等到原來連第一次都還沒有我現在是拜託好不好\n\n08:07.477 --> 08:21.829\n我們主動去建立這個溝通平台我們定期的跟台中市政府來溝通我們希望台中市政府趕快確定是不是在甘城之外可以增設這一個\n\n08:24.370 --> 08:42.970\n結運站然後呢把這個距離380公尺的這個從結運的這個藍線跟橘線的這個交匯處到中間的這個客運的轉運站到我們火車站這380公尺的這個距離我們真的要想出一個最好的方法來解決嘛\n\n08:43.871 --> 09:12.857\n那以現在的科技以現在的專業我相信一定做得到的所以拜託主動跟臺中市政府溝通因為一旦這個增設的這個站體有確定你們的都更才有可能確定嘛那你雙方都確定的時候才可以進行招商你的資產才可以活化你這個大火車站的計畫才能夠完整嘛你要知道我們臺中的城區要\n\n09:14.197 --> 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