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00:01:56,111\n我們先前賴總統在國際委員會發表演說有一個祖國論當然不管是祖國論還是主權AI我們繁體中文正體中文都應該要更加正統而且更加的能夠表達我們華語的文化\n\n8\n00:02:13,382 --> 00:02:31,403\n但是本席最近接獲許多、非常多、超級多民眾的反應已經非常長的時間了。Google旗下的影片分享網站也是目前全世界最大的影片搜尋和分享平台YouTube。它本身內建的影片自動翻譯字幕的功能\n\n9\n00:02:31,983 --> 00:02:36,746\n所有的字幕都沒有問題簡體中文也沒有問題就只有繁體中文的字幕根本就是沒有辦法顯示沒有辦法出來常常就是有狀況的一個狀態如果部長上網搜尋你會發現非常多的網友非常多的網友崩潰\n\n10\n00:02:48,573 --> 00:03:12,509\n在討論這件事情甚至還有高手為了解決YouTube的這個問題寫了外掛的程式不知道部長有沒有認知到這件事情的嚴重性兩三年的時間都故障沒有辦法使用外掛都寫出來了業者沒有積極的辦理這背後到底有沒有一些其他或我們無法想像的考量呢本席認為政府不應該做事不管接下來我請部長看三段影片\n\n11\n00:03:19,977 --> 00:03:22,745\n我們讓自動翻譯我們看繁中\n\n12\n00:03:24,082 --> 00:03:51,512\n小朋友想看中文不好意思沒有繁體中文然後我們再看一下他們說我還是想看他在講什麼啊怎麼辦選擇簡體哇翻譯就出來啦我們年輕的小朋友就看簡體中文啦再來勒博物館利物浦博物館想要了解有國外的歷史想要來了解他繁體中文的翻譯\n\n13\n00:03:52,652 --> 00:04:16,890\n出不來沒有沒辦法看結果呢我們的台灣的青年要學習啊拍誰啦你只能看簡體中文的翻譯這個已經兩三年了網路上都是討論我其實從進來之後我每一天都在關注這件事情我沒有得到回應我們看到最可怕的是什麼我們再來看下一個例子\n\n14\n00:04:17,791 --> 00:04:27,901\n我們的賴清德總統用英語在國際場合進行演說結果我們的國民想要了解我們總統英語演說的內容居然被迫\n\n15\n00:04:29,025 --> 00:04:46,101\n沒有辦法看繁體中文竟然我們竟然只能看到我們的全國的民眾全世界愛好繁體中文台灣正體文化的人只能看到簡體中文在我們的總統的臉上部長\n\n16\n00:04:48,763 --> 00:04:56,448\n我真的覺得這件事情非常非常的重要我們若沒有辦法重視這件事情的話我們可能會淪為文化三級貧富什麼文化貧權變成貧窮的貧阿變成文化貧權我想上一次我就反應過了我們在金鐘獎podcast的報名軟體裡面曾經竟然看到了簡體中文當時文化部回應\n\n17\n00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:38,527\n說我們的影視工作者慣用的軟體開始逐漸的不提供繁體中文的介面結果現在全世界最大的這個影音的平台由我們總統的影片上面全國的民眾要看竟然沒有辦法看到繁體中文的翻譯本席認為網路上所有做外掛的積極向YouTube申訴反映但是卻沒有得到結果的這些網友值得欽佩\n\n18\n00:05:39,907 --> 00:05:59,358\n他們沒有因為一時的方便就說好啦簡體可以看就好了啦我是真的覺得很欽佩他們我也很痛心啦我想我們的部會如果有把我們賴總統的祖國論放在心裡重視我們台灣政體反體中文的華語的文化我想齁文化部是不是應該要來重視這件事部長\n\n19\n00:06:00,419 --> 00:06:29,673\n站在發展主權AI提升文化韌性的立場文化部對此是不是應該要來向YouTube或者這些商業的平台表達我們官方的立場這裡我們來試試看因為我覺得台灣的歷史命運一直在這種很強勢的政權跟文化的壓力下一直存活到現在全世界只有我們在用繁體制包括我們的文化也是在一直強力的打壓下往前走那這個部分\n\n20\n00:06:31,069 --> 00:06:33,131\n部長,您可不可以鼓勵一下我們所有的網友\n\n21\n00:06:52,626 --> 00:07:10,088\n我真的是很佩服這些我是真的現在都有點眼眶泛淚我佩服這些包括我自己啊我都不願意去看這些簡體的中文你能不能站在主權AI的立場文化部是不是支持強烈希望像YouTube這樣的平台可以有繁中翻譯的字幕\n\n22\n00:07:11,449 --> 00:07:25,858\n我們來試試看吧因為我覺得他們那種你去跟他溝通他有時候非常強勢的他不會理我們就像我們的自己的對外的關係一樣但是為了我們的文化為了我們的主權希望我們來努力好不好文化部\n\n23\n00:07:27,319 --> 00:07:51,616\n再來我想今年4月份我也曾經就台灣電影應該要建立官方資料庫的問題來質詢過為什麼呢我們的文化我們的習慣我們的過去美好的回憶開始慢慢的被侵略了這個角色我也很喜歡我們都叫蜘蛛人但是有很大一部分的人竟然是叫他蜘蛛俠這文化上的翻譯不一樣\n\n24\n00:07:52,777 --> 00:08:09,663\n一位電影沙丘走紅的這個Zendaya號稱地表最強30歲以下女演員在台灣就有多個藝名是沒有辦法平均的有人叫千代雅有人叫新代雅有人叫讚達雅我們叫珍妮佛的現在有些地方叫珍妮花\n\n25\n00:08:10,643 --> 00:08:35,502\n如果文化部沒有用官方的立場來建立這樣的資料庫我們年輕朋友未來在講這些電影的這麼棒的文化的這些語言的時候是沒有辦法用我們美麗的臺灣正體繁體中文過去慣用的稱呼您覺得這樣可以接受嗎請問部長我們目前電影資料庫創建的進度如何114年文化部有沒有編列相關的預算\n\n26\n00:08:38,183 --> 00:08:38,383\n我請市長來回答\n\n27\n00:09:00,970 --> 00:09:16,857\n委員好關於委員之前有詢問到台灣統一移民影片統一移民的部分我們之前其實有在進一步去詢問各個業界代表因為其實像這種國外的移民或外來片商的移民他其實進口的片商他還是會考慮在地性市場性他會有自己的翻譯\n\n28\n00:09:17,637 --> 00:09:34,501\n那其實很難是去統一我們要求說你全部進來的時候你都要統一用我們的議名來做呈現所以當時也有先跟委員做過說明我們這邊的部分其實我們現在是有一個票房系統那票房系統這邊的相關資料我們其實會進TED讓他作為AI訓練的那我就問一個問題下一步蜘蛛人出來的時候片商如果要叫蜘蛛俠我們有沒有意見我就只問這一題我們會不會有意見我們讓片商自己決定嘛我們就留下記錄沒有關係\n\n29\n00:09:48,271 --> 00:09:50,078\n可以嗎?你剛剛的回應是這樣嗎?\n\n30\n00:09:51,567 --> 00:10:17,353\n希望這一點我們請文化部再研議一下好不好那不管是用什麼樣的方式我們希望還是讓我們台灣有我們習慣的文化這也是我們的記憶嘛好不好那我想接下來還有幾題我跟這個主席爭取一點時間不好意思我盡快這個有非常多的調查都已經開始在關注剛剛羅廷偉委員也有提到已經有非常多文化產製影視動畫音樂遊戲的產業開始在用深層式的AI\n\n31\n00:10:21,394 --> 00:10:37,867\n已經有國外開始在做更普遍的調查比如說美國有七成二等等請教部長文化部有沒有針對臺灣我們文化內容產業在產製過程中使用AI工具或是提供資料供AI訓練的情形來進行調查有沒有做過董事長回答有沒有\n\n32\n00:10:46,936 --> 00:11:06,220\n謝謝委員關心這個議題那其實就這個AI這個文化藝術產業應用生成次AI這個部分我剛才已經有說明過其實我們已經開始在啟動一個指引的一個規範所以是有沒有我說的是產業使用的調查狀況調查不是指引規範指引規範是我下一題喔那產業調查部分因為還沒有因為這是文策院會來做一個處理\n\n33\n00:11:14,043 --> 00:11:22,815\n我真的是要提醒希望文化部具體要求可不可以文化內容產業跟AI運用的調查報告可不可以提出來多久可以提出\n\n34\n00:11:29,144 --> 00:11:57,945\n三個月希望我們可以看到另外最後提醒部長我們的AI訓練真的在面臨合法資料多元性不足的問題我們全世界的AI在繁體中文在我們中華民國的文化可以說是營養不良文化部是有責任的我們要帶頭提供更多的資料這是我們在用商用的這個現在全台灣可能最多學生在使用的AI說畫一張孫中山先生站在國旗前的照片\n\n35\n00:12:00,409 --> 00:12:18,136\n我非常痛心我非常痛心英文也翻譯很正確RepublicofChina就畫出來是這個樣子這就是資料不足造成的問題所以請教部長未來可能衍生出的這些侵權的疑慮產業的使用的指引\n\n36\n00:12:19,747 --> 00:12:32,220\n希望趕快提出那國科會人工智慧基本法的草案速發部有促進資料創新應用的發展條例有沒有徵詢文化部的意見最後一個問題對不起有沒有徵詢文化部的意見好\n\n37\n00:12:35,063 --> 00:12:35,243\n謝謝格瑞\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10195\t14421\t質詢謝謝主席有請文化部李遠部長好我們請李部長\n19506\t40468\t各位你好部長好不管是過去還是現在文化科技跟主權絕對都是密不可分的在我們邁入這個AI的時代我們要開始來更加的關注文化的議題自從CHECK GPT在2022年問世以來有各個國家在不同的地方都要來打造他們自己的AI\n41249\t56312\t中國的百度呢就宣布要打造華文版的生成式AI文心藝人現在AI的排行榜上面也有非常多中國大陸的團隊與之抗衡那我們已經看到了行政院的卓中泰院長宣誓我們要進入主權AI的時代\n57213\t72729\t我們作為少數使用繁體中文那當然我們的官方說法是臺灣政體以下我會用繁體中文來稱呼我們認為臺灣應該當然也急需打造我們自己的語言模型或者相關fine2的AI\n73530\t96445\t能夠捍衛我們台灣在華語世界裡指標性的燈塔讓繁體中文跟簡體中文的中文之爭文化之爭思想之爭這個重要的一戰我們不會輸也不能輸請問一下部長文化部作為組長中華民國我們台灣文化政策的部會是不是願意成為部會之間捍衛繁體中文正體中文的領頭羊\n97466\t101052\t所以您身為中華民國我們台灣的文化部的部長願不願意成為捍衛繁體中文的重要的第一人?\n112469\t116111\t我們先前賴總統在國際委員會發表演說有一個祖國論當然不管是祖國論還是主權AI我們繁體中文正體中文都應該要更加正統而且更加的能夠表達我們華語的文化\n133382\t151403\t但是本席最近接獲許多、非常多、超級多民眾的反應已經非常長的時間了。Google旗下的影片分享網站也是目前全世界最大的影片搜尋和分享平台YouTube。它本身內建的影片自動翻譯字幕的功能\n151983\t156746\t所有的字幕都沒有問題簡體中文也沒有問題就只有繁體中文的字幕根本就是沒有辦法顯示沒有辦法出來常常就是有狀況的一個狀態如果部長上網搜尋你會發現非常多的網友非常多的網友崩潰\n168573\t192509\t在討論這件事情甚至還有高手為了解決YouTube的這個問題寫了外掛的程式不知道部長有沒有認知到這件事情的嚴重性兩三年的時間都故障沒有辦法使用外掛都寫出來了業者沒有積極的辦理這背後到底有沒有一些其他或我們無法想像的考量呢本席認為政府不應該做事不管接下來我請部長看三段影片\n199977\t202745\t我們讓自動翻譯我們看繁中\n204082\t231512\t小朋友想看中文不好意思沒有繁體中文然後我們再看一下他們說我還是想看他在講什麼啊怎麼辦選擇簡體哇翻譯就出來啦我們年輕的小朋友就看簡體中文啦再來勒博物館利物浦博物館想要了解有國外的歷史想要來了解他繁體中文的翻譯\n232652\t256890\t出不來沒有沒辦法看結果呢我們的台灣的青年要學習啊拍誰啦你只能看簡體中文的翻譯這個已經兩三年了網路上都是討論我其實從進來之後我每一天都在關注這件事情我沒有得到回應我們看到最可怕的是什麼我們再來看下一個例子\n257791\t267901\t我們的賴清德總統用英語在國際場合進行演說結果我們的國民想要了解我們總統英語演說的內容居然被迫\n269025\t286101\t沒有辦法看繁體中文竟然我們竟然只能看到我們的全國的民眾全世界愛好繁體中文台灣正體文化的人只能看到簡體中文在我們的總統的臉上部長\n288763\t296448\t我真的覺得這件事情非常非常的重要我們若沒有辦法重視這件事情的話我們可能會淪為文化三級貧富什麼文化貧權變成貧窮的貧阿變成文化貧權我想上一次我就反應過了我們在金鐘獎podcast的報名軟體裡面曾經竟然看到了簡體中文當時文化部回應\n314640\t338527\t說我們的影視工作者慣用的軟體開始逐漸的不提供繁體中文的介面結果現在全世界最大的這個影音的平台由我們總統的影片上面全國的民眾要看竟然沒有辦法看到繁體中文的翻譯本席認為網路上所有做外掛的積極向YouTube申訴反映但是卻沒有得到結果的這些網友值得欽佩\n339907\t359358\t他們沒有因為一時的方便就說好啦簡體可以看就好了啦我是真的覺得很欽佩他們我也很痛心啦我想我們的部會如果有把我們賴總統的祖國論放在心裡重視我們台灣政體反體中文的華語的文化我想齁文化部是不是應該要來重視這件事部長\n360419\t389673\t站在發展主權AI提升文化韌性的立場文化部對此是不是應該要來向YouTube或者這些商業的平台表達我們官方的立場這裡我們來試試看因為我覺得台灣的歷史命運一直在這種很強勢的政權跟文化的壓力下一直存活到現在全世界只有我們在用繁體制包括我們的文化也是在一直強力的打壓下往前走那這個部分\n391069\t393131\t部長,您可不可以鼓勵一下我們所有的網友\n412626\t430088\t我真的是很佩服這些我是真的現在都有點眼眶泛淚我佩服這些包括我自己啊我都不願意去看這些簡體的中文你能不能站在主權AI的立場文化部是不是支持強烈希望像YouTube這樣的平台可以有繁中翻譯的字幕\n431449\t445858\t我們來試試看吧因為我覺得他們那種你去跟他溝通他有時候非常強勢的他不會理我們就像我們的自己的對外的關係一樣但是為了我們的文化為了我們的主權希望我們來努力好不好文化部\n447319\t471616\t再來我想今年4月份我也曾經就台灣電影應該要建立官方資料庫的問題來質詢過為什麼呢我們的文化我們的習慣我們的過去美好的回憶開始慢慢的被侵略了這個角色我也很喜歡我們都叫蜘蛛人但是有很大一部分的人竟然是叫他蜘蛛俠這文化上的翻譯不一樣\n472777\t489663\t一位電影沙丘走紅的這個Zendaya號稱地表最強30歲以下女演員在台灣就有多個藝名是沒有辦法平均的有人叫千代雅有人叫新代雅有人叫讚達雅我們叫珍妮佛的現在有些地方叫珍妮花\n490643\t515502\t如果文化部沒有用官方的立場來建立這樣的資料庫我們年輕朋友未來在講這些電影的這麼棒的文化的這些語言的時候是沒有辦法用我們美麗的臺灣正體繁體中文過去慣用的稱呼您覺得這樣可以接受嗎請問部長我們目前電影資料庫創建的進度如何114年文化部有沒有編列相關的預算\n518183\t518383\t我請市長來回答\n540970\t556857\t委員好關於委員之前有詢問到台灣統一移民影片統一移民的部分我們之前其實有在進一步去詢問各個業界代表因為其實像這種國外的移民或外來片商的移民他其實進口的片商他還是會考慮在地性市場性他會有自己的翻譯\n557637\t574501\t那其實很難是去統一我們要求說你全部進來的時候你都要統一用我們的議名來做呈現所以當時也有先跟委員做過說明我們這邊的部分其實我們現在是有一個票房系統那票房系統這邊的相關資料我們其實會進TED讓他作為AI訓練的那我就問一個問題下一步蜘蛛人出來的時候片商如果要叫蜘蛛俠我們有沒有意見我就只問這一題我們會不會有意見我們讓片商自己決定嘛我們就留下記錄沒有關係\n588271\t590078\t可以嗎?你剛剛的回應是這樣嗎?\n591567\t617353\t希望這一點我們請文化部再研議一下好不好那不管是用什麼樣的方式我們希望還是讓我們台灣有我們習慣的文化這也是我們的記憶嘛好不好那我想接下來還有幾題我跟這個主席爭取一點時間不好意思我盡快這個有非常多的調查都已經開始在關注剛剛羅廷偉委員也有提到已經有非常多文化產製影視動畫音樂遊戲的產業開始在用深層式的AI\n621394\t637867\t已經有國外開始在做更普遍的調查比如說美國有七成二等等請教部長文化部有沒有針對臺灣我們文化內容產業在產製過程中使用AI工具或是提供資料供AI訓練的情形來進行調查有沒有做過董事長回答有沒有\n646936\t666220\t謝謝委員關心這個議題那其實就這個AI這個文化藝術產業應用生成次AI這個部分我剛才已經有說明過其實我們已經開始在啟動一個指引的一個規範所以是有沒有我說的是產業使用的調查狀況調查不是指引規範指引規範是我下一題喔那產業調查部分因為還沒有因為這是文策院會來做一個處理\n674043\t682815\t我真的是要提醒希望文化部具體要求可不可以文化內容產業跟AI運用的調查報告可不可以提出來多久可以提出\n689144\t717945\t三個月希望我們可以看到另外最後提醒部長我們的AI訓練真的在面臨合法資料多元性不足的問題我們全世界的AI在繁體中文在我們中華民國的文化可以說是營養不良文化部是有責任的我們要帶頭提供更多的資料這是我們在用商用的這個現在全台灣可能最多學生在使用的AI說畫一張孫中山先生站在國旗前的照片\n720409\t738136\t我非常痛心我非常痛心英文也翻譯很正確Republic of China就畫出來是這個樣子這就是資料不足造成的問題所以請教部長未來可能衍生出的這些侵權的疑慮產業的使用的指引\n739747\t752220\t希望趕快提出那國科會人工智慧基本法的草案速發部有促進資料創新應用的發展條例有沒有徵詢文化部的意見最後一個問題對不起有沒有徵詢文化部的意見好\n755063\t755243\t謝謝格瑞\n","txt":"質詢謝謝主席有請文化部李遠部長好我們請李部長\n各位你好部長好不管是過去還是現在文化科技跟主權絕對都是密不可分的在我們邁入這個AI的時代我們要開始來更加的關注文化的議題自從CHECK GPT在2022年問世以來有各個國家在不同的地方都要來打造他們自己的AI\n中國的百度呢就宣布要打造華文版的生成式AI文心藝人現在AI的排行榜上面也有非常多中國大陸的團隊與之抗衡那我們已經看到了行政院的卓中泰院長宣誓我們要進入主權AI的時代\n我們作為少數使用繁體中文那當然我們的官方說法是臺灣政體以下我會用繁體中文來稱呼我們認為臺灣應該當然也急需打造我們自己的語言模型或者相關fine2的AI\n能夠捍衛我們台灣在華語世界裡指標性的燈塔讓繁體中文跟簡體中文的中文之爭文化之爭思想之爭這個重要的一戰我們不會輸也不能輸請問一下部長文化部作為組長中華民國我們台灣文化政策的部會是不是願意成為部會之間捍衛繁體中文正體中文的領頭羊\n所以您身為中華民國我們台灣的文化部的部長願不願意成為捍衛繁體中文的重要的第一人?\n我們先前賴總統在國際委員會發表演說有一個祖國論當然不管是祖國論還是主權AI我們繁體中文正體中文都應該要更加正統而且更加的能夠表達我們華語的文化\n但是本席最近接獲許多、非常多、超級多民眾的反應已經非常長的時間了。Google旗下的影片分享網站也是目前全世界最大的影片搜尋和分享平台YouTube。它本身內建的影片自動翻譯字幕的功能\n所有的字幕都沒有問題簡體中文也沒有問題就只有繁體中文的字幕根本就是沒有辦法顯示沒有辦法出來常常就是有狀況的一個狀態如果部長上網搜尋你會發現非常多的網友非常多的網友崩潰\n在討論這件事情甚至還有高手為了解決YouTube的這個問題寫了外掛的程式不知道部長有沒有認知到這件事情的嚴重性兩三年的時間都故障沒有辦法使用外掛都寫出來了業者沒有積極的辦理這背後到底有沒有一些其他或我們無法想像的考量呢本席認為政府不應該做事不管接下來我請部長看三段影片\n我們讓自動翻譯我們看繁中\n小朋友想看中文不好意思沒有繁體中文然後我們再看一下他們說我還是想看他在講什麼啊怎麼辦選擇簡體哇翻譯就出來啦我們年輕的小朋友就看簡體中文啦再來勒博物館利物浦博物館想要了解有國外的歷史想要來了解他繁體中文的翻譯\n出不來沒有沒辦法看結果呢我們的台灣的青年要學習啊拍誰啦你只能看簡體中文的翻譯這個已經兩三年了網路上都是討論我其實從進來之後我每一天都在關注這件事情我沒有得到回應我們看到最可怕的是什麼我們再來看下一個例子\n我們的賴清德總統用英語在國際場合進行演說結果我們的國民想要了解我們總統英語演說的內容居然被迫\n沒有辦法看繁體中文竟然我們竟然只能看到我們的全國的民眾全世界愛好繁體中文台灣正體文化的人只能看到簡體中文在我們的總統的臉上部長\n我真的覺得這件事情非常非常的重要我們若沒有辦法重視這件事情的話我們可能會淪為文化三級貧富什麼文化貧權變成貧窮的貧阿變成文化貧權我想上一次我就反應過了我們在金鐘獎podcast的報名軟體裡面曾經竟然看到了簡體中文當時文化部回應\n說我們的影視工作者慣用的軟體開始逐漸的不提供繁體中文的介面結果現在全世界最大的這個影音的平台由我們總統的影片上面全國的民眾要看竟然沒有辦法看到繁體中文的翻譯本席認為網路上所有做外掛的積極向YouTube申訴反映但是卻沒有得到結果的這些網友值得欽佩\n他們沒有因為一時的方便就說好啦簡體可以看就好了啦我是真的覺得很欽佩他們我也很痛心啦我想我們的部會如果有把我們賴總統的祖國論放在心裡重視我們台灣政體反體中文的華語的文化我想齁文化部是不是應該要來重視這件事部長\n站在發展主權AI提升文化韌性的立場文化部對此是不是應該要來向YouTube或者這些商業的平台表達我們官方的立場這裡我們來試試看因為我覺得台灣的歷史命運一直在這種很強勢的政權跟文化的壓力下一直存活到現在全世界只有我們在用繁體制包括我們的文化也是在一直強力的打壓下往前走那這個部分\n部長,您可不可以鼓勵一下我們所有的網友\n我真的是很佩服這些我是真的現在都有點眼眶泛淚我佩服這些包括我自己啊我都不願意去看這些簡體的中文你能不能站在主權AI的立場文化部是不是支持強烈希望像YouTube這樣的平台可以有繁中翻譯的字幕\n我們來試試看吧因為我覺得他們那種你去跟他溝通他有時候非常強勢的他不會理我們就像我們的自己的對外的關係一樣但是為了我們的文化為了我們的主權希望我們來努力好不好文化部\n再來我想今年4月份我也曾經就台灣電影應該要建立官方資料庫的問題來質詢過為什麼呢我們的文化我們的習慣我們的過去美好的回憶開始慢慢的被侵略了這個角色我也很喜歡我們都叫蜘蛛人但是有很大一部分的人竟然是叫他蜘蛛俠這文化上的翻譯不一樣\n一位電影沙丘走紅的這個Zendaya號稱地表最強30歲以下女演員在台灣就有多個藝名是沒有辦法平均的有人叫千代雅有人叫新代雅有人叫讚達雅我們叫珍妮佛的現在有些地方叫珍妮花\n如果文化部沒有用官方的立場來建立這樣的資料庫我們年輕朋友未來在講這些電影的這麼棒的文化的這些語言的時候是沒有辦法用我們美麗的臺灣正體繁體中文過去慣用的稱呼您覺得這樣可以接受嗎請問部長我們目前電影資料庫創建的進度如何114年文化部有沒有編列相關的預算\n我請市長來回答\n委員好關於委員之前有詢問到台灣統一移民影片統一移民的部分我們之前其實有在進一步去詢問各個業界代表因為其實像這種國外的移民或外來片商的移民他其實進口的片商他還是會考慮在地性市場性他會有自己的翻譯\n那其實很難是去統一我們要求說你全部進來的時候你都要統一用我們的議名來做呈現所以當時也有先跟委員做過說明我們這邊的部分其實我們現在是有一個票房系統那票房系統這邊的相關資料我們其實會進TED讓他作為AI訓練的那我就問一個問題下一步蜘蛛人出來的時候片商如果要叫蜘蛛俠我們有沒有意見我就只問這一題我們會不會有意見我們讓片商自己決定嘛我們就留下記錄沒有關係\n可以嗎?你剛剛的回應是這樣嗎?\n希望這一點我們請文化部再研議一下好不好那不管是用什麼樣的方式我們希望還是讓我們台灣有我們習慣的文化這也是我們的記憶嘛好不好那我想接下來還有幾題我跟這個主席爭取一點時間不好意思我盡快這個有非常多的調查都已經開始在關注剛剛羅廷偉委員也有提到已經有非常多文化產製影視動畫音樂遊戲的產業開始在用深層式的AI\n已經有國外開始在做更普遍的調查比如說美國有七成二等等請教部長文化部有沒有針對臺灣我們文化內容產業在產製過程中使用AI工具或是提供資料供AI訓練的情形來進行調查有沒有做過董事長回答有沒有\n謝謝委員關心這個議題那其實就這個AI這個文化藝術產業應用生成次AI這個部分我剛才已經有說明過其實我們已經開始在啟動一個指引的一個規範所以是有沒有我說的是產業使用的調查狀況調查不是指引規範指引規範是我下一題喔那產業調查部分因為還沒有因為這是文策院會來做一個處理\n我真的是要提醒希望文化部具體要求可不可以文化內容產業跟AI運用的調查報告可不可以提出來多久可以提出\n三個月希望我們可以看到另外最後提醒部長我們的AI訓練真的在面臨合法資料多元性不足的問題我們全世界的AI在繁體中文在我們中華民國的文化可以說是營養不良文化部是有責任的我們要帶頭提供更多的資料這是我們在用商用的這個現在全台灣可能最多學生在使用的AI說畫一張孫中山先生站在國旗前的照片\n我非常痛心我非常痛心英文也翻譯很正確Republic of China就畫出來是這個樣子這就是資料不足造成的問題所以請教部長未來可能衍生出的這些侵權的疑慮產業的使用的指引\n希望趕快提出那國科會人工智慧基本法的草案速發部有促進資料創新應用的發展條例有沒有徵詢文化部的意見最後一個問題對不起有沒有徵詢文化部的意見好\n謝謝格瑞\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.195 --> 00:14.421\n質詢謝謝主席有請文化部李遠部長好我們請李部長\n\n00:19.506 --> 00:40.468\n各位你好部長好不管是過去還是現在文化科技跟主權絕對都是密不可分的在我們邁入這個AI的時代我們要開始來更加的關注文化的議題自從CHECKGPT在2022年問世以來有各個國家在不同的地方都要來打造他們自己的AI\n\n00:41.249 --> 00:56.312\n中國的百度呢就宣布要打造華文版的生成式AI文心藝人現在AI的排行榜上面也有非常多中國大陸的團隊與之抗衡那我們已經看到了行政院的卓中泰院長宣誓我們要進入主權AI的時代\n\n00:57.213 --> 01:12.729\n我們作為少數使用繁體中文那當然我們的官方說法是臺灣政體以下我會用繁體中文來稱呼我們認為臺灣應該當然也急需打造我們自己的語言模型或者相關fine2的AI\n\n01:13.530 --> 01:36.445\n能夠捍衛我們台灣在華語世界裡指標性的燈塔讓繁體中文跟簡體中文的中文之爭文化之爭思想之爭這個重要的一戰我們不會輸也不能輸請問一下部長文化部作為組長中華民國我們台灣文化政策的部會是不是願意成為部會之間捍衛繁體中文正體中文的領頭羊\n\n01:37.466 --> 01:41.052\n所以您身為中華民國我們台灣的文化部的部長願不願意成為捍衛繁體中文的重要的第一人?\n\n01:52.469 --> 01:56.111\n我們先前賴總統在國際委員會發表演說有一個祖國論當然不管是祖國論還是主權AI我們繁體中文正體中文都應該要更加正統而且更加的能夠表達我們華語的文化\n\n02:13.382 --> 02:31.403\n但是本席最近接獲許多、非常多、超級多民眾的反應已經非常長的時間了。Google旗下的影片分享網站也是目前全世界最大的影片搜尋和分享平台YouTube。它本身內建的影片自動翻譯字幕的功能\n\n02:31.983 --> 02:36.746\n所有的字幕都沒有問題簡體中文也沒有問題就只有繁體中文的字幕根本就是沒有辦法顯示沒有辦法出來常常就是有狀況的一個狀態如果部長上網搜尋你會發現非常多的網友非常多的網友崩潰\n\n02:48.573 --> 03:12.509\n在討論這件事情甚至還有高手為了解決YouTube的這個問題寫了外掛的程式不知道部長有沒有認知到這件事情的嚴重性兩三年的時間都故障沒有辦法使用外掛都寫出來了業者沒有積極的辦理這背後到底有沒有一些其他或我們無法想像的考量呢本席認為政府不應該做事不管接下來我請部長看三段影片\n\n03:19.977 --> 03:22.745\n我們讓自動翻譯我們看繁中\n\n03:24.082 --> 03:51.512\n小朋友想看中文不好意思沒有繁體中文然後我們再看一下他們說我還是想看他在講什麼啊怎麼辦選擇簡體哇翻譯就出來啦我們年輕的小朋友就看簡體中文啦再來勒博物館利物浦博物館想要了解有國外的歷史想要來了解他繁體中文的翻譯\n\n03:52.652 --> 04:16.890\n出不來沒有沒辦法看結果呢我們的台灣的青年要學習啊拍誰啦你只能看簡體中文的翻譯這個已經兩三年了網路上都是討論我其實從進來之後我每一天都在關注這件事情我沒有得到回應我們看到最可怕的是什麼我們再來看下一個例子\n\n04:17.791 --> 04:27.901\n我們的賴清德總統用英語在國際場合進行演說結果我們的國民想要了解我們總統英語演說的內容居然被迫\n\n04:29.025 --> 04:46.101\n沒有辦法看繁體中文竟然我們竟然只能看到我們的全國的民眾全世界愛好繁體中文台灣正體文化的人只能看到簡體中文在我們的總統的臉上部長\n\n04:48.763 --> 04:56.448\n我真的覺得這件事情非常非常的重要我們若沒有辦法重視這件事情的話我們可能會淪為文化三級貧富什麼文化貧權變成貧窮的貧阿變成文化貧權我想上一次我就反應過了我們在金鐘獎podcast的報名軟體裡面曾經竟然看到了簡體中文當時文化部回應\n\n05:14.640 --> 05:38.527\n說我們的影視工作者慣用的軟體開始逐漸的不提供繁體中文的介面結果現在全世界最大的這個影音的平台由我們總統的影片上面全國的民眾要看竟然沒有辦法看到繁體中文的翻譯本席認為網路上所有做外掛的積極向YouTube申訴反映但是卻沒有得到結果的這些網友值得欽佩\n\n05:39.907 --> 05:59.358\n他們沒有因為一時的方便就說好啦簡體可以看就好了啦我是真的覺得很欽佩他們我也很痛心啦我想我們的部會如果有把我們賴總統的祖國論放在心裡重視我們台灣政體反體中文的華語的文化我想齁文化部是不是應該要來重視這件事部長\n\n06:00.419 --> 06:29.673\n站在發展主權AI提升文化韌性的立場文化部對此是不是應該要來向YouTube或者這些商業的平台表達我們官方的立場這裡我們來試試看因為我覺得台灣的歷史命運一直在這種很強勢的政權跟文化的壓力下一直存活到現在全世界只有我們在用繁體制包括我們的文化也是在一直強力的打壓下往前走那這個部分\n\n06:31.069 --> 06:33.131\n部長,您可不可以鼓勵一下我們所有的網友\n\n06:52.626 --> 07:10.088\n我真的是很佩服這些我是真的現在都有點眼眶泛淚我佩服這些包括我自己啊我都不願意去看這些簡體的中文你能不能站在主權AI的立場文化部是不是支持強烈希望像YouTube這樣的平台可以有繁中翻譯的字幕\n\n07:11.449 --> 07:25.858\n我們來試試看吧因為我覺得他們那種你去跟他溝通他有時候非常強勢的他不會理我們就像我們的自己的對外的關係一樣但是為了我們的文化為了我們的主權希望我們來努力好不好文化部\n\n07:27.319 --> 07:51.616\n再來我想今年4月份我也曾經就台灣電影應該要建立官方資料庫的問題來質詢過為什麼呢我們的文化我們的習慣我們的過去美好的回憶開始慢慢的被侵略了這個角色我也很喜歡我們都叫蜘蛛人但是有很大一部分的人竟然是叫他蜘蛛俠這文化上的翻譯不一樣\n\n07:52.777 --> 08:09.663\n一位電影沙丘走紅的這個Zendaya號稱地表最強30歲以下女演員在台灣就有多個藝名是沒有辦法平均的有人叫千代雅有人叫新代雅有人叫讚達雅我們叫珍妮佛的現在有些地方叫珍妮花\n\n08:10.643 --> 08:35.502\n如果文化部沒有用官方的立場來建立這樣的資料庫我們年輕朋友未來在講這些電影的這麼棒的文化的這些語言的時候是沒有辦法用我們美麗的臺灣正體繁體中文過去慣用的稱呼您覺得這樣可以接受嗎請問部長我們目前電影資料庫創建的進度如何114年文化部有沒有編列相關的預算\n\n08:38.183 --> 08:38.383\n我請市長來回答\n\n09:00.970 --> 09:16.857\n委員好關於委員之前有詢問到台灣統一移民影片統一移民的部分我們之前其實有在進一步去詢問各個業界代表因為其實像這種國外的移民或外來片商的移民他其實進口的片商他還是會考慮在地性市場性他會有自己的翻譯\n\n09:17.637 --> 09:34.501\n那其實很難是去統一我們要求說你全部進來的時候你都要統一用我們的議名來做呈現所以當時也有先跟委員做過說明我們這邊的部分其實我們現在是有一個票房系統那票房系統這邊的相關資料我們其實會進TED讓他作為AI訓練的那我就問一個問題下一步蜘蛛人出來的時候片商如果要叫蜘蛛俠我們有沒有意見我就只問這一題我們會不會有意見我們讓片商自己決定嘛我們就留下記錄沒有關係\n\n09:48.271 --> 09:50.078\n可以嗎?你剛剛的回應是這樣嗎?\n\n09:51.567 --> 10:17.353\n希望這一點我們請文化部再研議一下好不好那不管是用什麼樣的方式我們希望還是讓我們台灣有我們習慣的文化這也是我們的記憶嘛好不好那我想接下來還有幾題我跟這個主席爭取一點時間不好意思我盡快這個有非常多的調查都已經開始在關注剛剛羅廷偉委員也有提到已經有非常多文化產製影視動畫音樂遊戲的產業開始在用深層式的AI\n\n10:21.394 --> 10:37.867\n已經有國外開始在做更普遍的調查比如說美國有七成二等等請教部長文化部有沒有針對臺灣我們文化內容產業在產製過程中使用AI工具或是提供資料供AI訓練的情形來進行調查有沒有做過董事長回答有沒有\n\n10:46.936 --> 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