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00:01:34,332\n請部長回答其實過去最早我聽到的是有6個方案後來變成4個方案那最近我們收斂成是兩個方案在討論就是高雄案跟左營案那漸漸收斂我們還是希望照李前部長他當時的宣示我們在年底之前交通部要來公告說要走哪一個方案要來決定這件事情所以年底的這個計畫不會延宕我們年底一定會來確定路線\n\n5\n00:01:35,672 --> 00:01:57,331\n部長本席還是要提醒這個剛剛我聽到林俊憲委員說臺南沒有捷運這聽起來我很心酸的啦我們屏東沒有捷運也沒有高鐵有機場也不能用我們陸海空的交通真的完全完全都在西部縣是完全非常的一個落後啦部長你覺得這樣正常不然我們付資金來改善一下\n\n6\n00:01:59,393 --> 00:02:16,030\n我們現在作為執政黨當然要負責任來解決屏東的行的問題過去幾十年甚至是幾百年屏東的交通的建設確實是落後到其他縣市非常非常多尤其跟西部的其他都市比起來那這個部分我們加緊腳步加緊腳步\n\n7\n00:02:18,007 --> 00:02:41,296\n部長我想本席對你很有信心尤其你上任之後我們也聊了很多關於屏東這個交通建設的事情那我也相信部長一直都有包含我們的鐵路的運輸軌道建設也好包含我們屏南快速道路包含高鐵的一個進度我想部長跟我們局長大家都有在掌握但是我們期待的是\n\n8\n00:02:42,296 --> 00:02:57,243\n不管哪一條方案,我們都支持趕快定案、趕快動工,這才是屏東人的期待。沒錯。不要給我們汙聞民話說,今天高雄被拆房子是因為屏東造成的,這個對屏東人來講扛不起這個責任啊,部長。是。\n\n9\n00:02:59,450 --> 00:03:12,167\n這個部分我們會努力啦對社會的說明也好對地方的說明也好剛才在講的兩個方案不管是走左營案或者是走高雄案其實對地方還是會有一些影響那這個影響我們會來說明\n\n10\n00:03:14,431 --> 00:03:21,393\n部長我記得上個會期我們王國材前部長我就問過這個問題那時候我們的期程是2019年我們那時候開始啟動2029年要完工動開始我們的運行結果現在已經2024年了\n\n11\n00:03:31,076 --> 00:03:50,696\n到現在連路線在哪裡就還沒確定這是要怎麼對屏東人做交代是啦不能讓屏東的鄉親覺得這個案子一直在拖或者是說一直說沒有做啦所以交通部既定的立場就是我們希望在年底一定要定案對於路線的部分要做定案這樣才能夠進入下一步\n\n12\n00:03:51,317 --> 00:03:51,517\n的進度。\n\n13\n00:04:16,507 --> 00:04:20,532\n二、政府若高雄市受影響部分也希望我們部裡面積極來溝通。我們有責任要來溝通\n\n14\n00:04:36,508 --> 00:05:03,496\n另外我想第二個問題就是我們屏東這邊我們的高捷紅線有衍生到我們所謂的臨邊道東港這個路線那因為之前我們有知道我們在大概在高雄端有這個一線到底的一個問題那高雄市好像比較堅持這個方案那另外就是針對這個臨遠市化貢業區這部分的這個到底要是要高價化還是要走淺遁這個部分不曉得目前有沒有比較最新的一個進度\n\n15\n00:05:05,265 --> 00:05:22,457\n我們現在齁這個系統還是希望他走高價輕軌的方式如果用高價輕軌的方式可能是比較適合屏東這一端那目前可行性研究正在進行當中那也送到鐵道局了鐵道局在審查那我是不是請鐵道局長來回應一下好跟完報告齁\n\n16\n00:05:24,624 --> 00:05:38,245\n這個案子屏東縣政府最近有送回來但是因為這個就是林園這一段在高雄跟在屏東這個地方高架的這個部分石化廠這個議題我們要持續來跟屏東縣政府跟高雄市政府來溝通協調\n\n17\n00:05:41,185 --> 00:06:01,970\n能不能再加快施程這個齁?我們一定加速來辦理尤其我想這個這也要跟部長請命啦齁因為其實對我們來講我們當然希望一車道理但是這牽扯到這個經費分攤的部分齁運動觀念再講比較困難啦如果我們交通部可以來多幫忙一點有沒有辦法克服這個一車道理這個問題\n\n18\n00:06:04,242 --> 00:06:23,149\n一車到底要溝通,因為屏東縣政府有他的想法,然後高雄市政府有他的想法,這兩邊的想法我們在中間當然會協助來溝通。對,部長所以本市都一直很擔心,尤其剛剛高鐵那個案子,回過頭來我再講那個案子,你如果今天進高雄市,好,現在我紅磅也在拖啦,\n\n19\n00:06:25,611 --> 00:06:43,707\n在進行評估之後會不會時間越拖越長我們都擔心這個問題因為有新的方案出來就會有新的討論就會有很多的想法地方有很多的意見時間真的不能等所以我們會加速溝通而且要落實溝通讓地方上大家能夠理解\n\n20\n00:06:44,848 --> 00:06:58,742\n這個方案或那個方案哪一個方案比較好那對民眾的影響我們也會盡量降到最低大家擔心的部分我們會盡量去跟民眾說明我們如何用工程的方式或者是用交違的方式來降低民眾的影響跟擔心\n\n21\n00:06:59,909 --> 00:07:21,168\n部長那第三個就針對我們下禮拜一我們有排交通委員會的考察會看一下恆春機場那恆春機場其實是一個很重要的一個尤其對我們這個整個墾丁恆春的觀光是一個很重要那之前我知道縣政府一直有在啟動所謂一個包機也好一些計畫但是有牽扯到跟軍方的一些\n\n22\n00:07:21,789 --> 00:07:36,897\n一切的問題,還有一個所謂的一個洛杉磅的一個天后因素那這部分有沒有機會能夠重新再做這樣一個評估,要不然這放在那邊、趴在那邊也沒辦法討論怎麼樣做一個活化的一個規劃是這個機場一直都在那個地方,那我們部內也在討論說機場整體的活化的問題\n\n23\n00:07:39,938 --> 00:08:03,716\n那天候的問題其實我們用技術上可不可以再精進一點那雖然幅度不一定有辦法做到很確很落實或者很大但是我們在技術上或者是科技的層面上怎麼讓克服這個天候的問題這一方面二方面其實包機的補助的部分我們也在思考看有沒有辦法再做更多的這個優惠方案來促銷來讓包機能夠進來肯定這邊\n\n24\n00:08:05,877 --> 00:08:24,663\n有請你看我們對整個我們東南亞如果說我們可以直接包機直接到鳳村機場我們可以在地這樣子做一個整個南台灣的一個旅遊我相信很有賣點啦是這麼節省很多的交通時間因為現在很多我們很多的這個亞洲的國家的旅客都必須飛到桃園還要坐高鐵就來對浪費很多時間的啦\n\n25\n00:08:26,644 --> 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不能讓屏東的鄉親覺得這個案子一直在拖或者是說一直說沒有做啦所以交通部既定的立場就是我們希望在年底一定要定案對於路線的部分要做定案這樣才能夠進入下一步\n231317\t231517\t的進度。\n256507\t260532\t二、政府若高雄市受影響部分也希望我們部裡面積極來溝通。我們有責任要來溝通\n276508\t303496\t另外我想第二個問題就是我們屏東這邊我們的高捷紅線有衍生到我們所謂的臨邊道東港這個路線那因為之前我們有知道我們在大概在高雄端有這個一線到底的一個問題那高雄市好像比較堅持這個方案那另外就是針對這個臨遠市化貢業區這部分的這個到底要是要高價化還是要走淺遁這個部分不曉得目前有沒有比較最新的一個進度\n305265\t322457\t我們現在齁這個系統還是希望他走高價輕軌的方式如果用高價輕軌的方式可能是比較適合屏東這一端那目前可行性研究正在進行當中那也送到鐵道局了鐵道局在審查那我是不是請鐵道局長來回應一下好跟完報告齁\n324624\t338245\t這個案子屏東縣政府最近有送回來但是因為這個就是林園這一段在高雄跟在屏東這個地方高架的這個部分石化廠這個議題我們要持續來跟屏東縣政府跟高雄市政府來溝通協調\n341185\t361970\t能不能再加快施程這個齁?我們一定加速來辦理尤其我想這個這也要跟部長請命啦齁因為其實對我們來講我們當然希望一車道理但是這牽扯到這個經費分攤的部分齁運動觀念再講比較困難啦如果我們交通部可以來多幫忙一點有沒有辦法克服這個一車道理這個問題\n364242\t383149\t一車到底要溝通,因為屏東縣政府有他的想法,然後高雄市政府有他的想法,這兩邊的想法我們在中間當然會協助來溝通。對,部長所以本市都一直很擔心,尤其剛剛高鐵那個案子,回過頭來我再講那個案子,你如果今天進高雄市,好,現在我紅磅也在拖啦,\n385611\t403707\t在進行評估之後會不會時間越拖越長我們都擔心這個問題因為有新的方案出來就會有新的討論就會有很多的想法地方有很多的意見時間真的不能等所以我們會加速溝通而且要落實溝通讓地方上大家能夠理解\n404848\t418742\t這個方案或那個方案哪一個方案比較好那對民眾的影響我們也會盡量降到最低大家擔心的部分我們會盡量去跟民眾說明我們如何用工程的方式或者是用交違的方式來降低民眾的影響跟擔心\n419909\t441168\t部長那第三個就針對我們下禮拜一我們有排交通委員會的考察會看一下恆春機場那恆春機場其實是一個很重要的一個尤其對我們這個整個墾丁恆春的觀光是一個很重要那之前我知道縣政府一直有在啟動所謂一個包機也好一些計畫但是有牽扯到跟軍方的一些\n441789\t456897\t一切的問題,還有一個所謂的一個洛杉磅的一個天后因素那這部分有沒有機會能夠重新再做這樣一個評估,要不然這放在那邊、趴在那邊也沒辦法討論怎麼樣做一個活化的一個規劃是這個機場一直都在那個地方,那我們部內也在討論說機場整體的活化的問題\n459938\t483716\t那天候的問題其實我們用技術上可不可以再精進一點那雖然幅度不一定有辦法做到很確很落實或者很大但是我們在技術上或者是科技的層面上怎麼讓克服這個天候的問題這一方面二方面其實包機的補助的部分我們也在思考看有沒有辦法再做更多的這個優惠方案來促銷來讓包機能夠進來肯定這邊\n485877\t504663\t有請你看我們對整個我們東南亞如果說我們可以直接包機直接到鳳村機場我們可以在地這樣子做一個整個南台灣的一個旅遊我相信很有賣點啦是這麼節省很多的交通時間因為現在很多我們很多的這個亞洲的國家的旅客都必須飛到桃園還要坐高鐵就來對浪費很多時間的啦\n506644\t516689\t這部分我們再來努力,拜師傅請部長我們也來講一下怎麼樣來協助我們這個肯定的觀光業能夠繼續的蓬勃發展,好不好?好,謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席。有請我們陳部長還有我們鐵道局楊局長。\n部長、局長早安今天本期用很沉重的心情站在這個地方要來質詢我想最近這個高鐵的這個難免的議題這個不管是在我們立法院也好還有高雄市議會也好廢廢揚揚\n那我要請教部長的是從我印象最深刻現在我們總統府的潘茂安秘書長在2005年擔任立委的任內就開始在追蹤所謂的高鐵南延屏東這個案子一直到2019年我們蘇貞昌前院長正式核定了這個高鐵南延屏東而且路線也都確定了為什麼到目前我們還在討論這個路線的問題難道有什麼狀況嗎\n請部長回答其實過去最早我聽到的是有6個方案後來變成4個方案那最近我們收斂成是兩個方案在討論就是高雄案跟左營案那漸漸收斂我們還是希望照李前部長他當時的宣示我們在年底之前交通部要來公告說要走哪一個方案要來決定這件事情所以年底的這個計畫不會延宕我們年底一定會來確定路線\n部長本席還是要提醒這個剛剛我聽到林俊憲委員說臺南沒有捷運這聽起來我很心酸的啦我們屏東沒有捷運也沒有高鐵有機場也不能用我們陸海空的交通真的完全完全都在西部縣是完全非常的一個落後啦部長你覺得這樣正常不然我們付資金來改善一下\n我們現在作為執政黨當然要負責任來解決屏東的行的問題過去幾十年甚至是幾百年屏東的交通的建設確實是落後到其他縣市非常非常多尤其跟西部的其他都市比起來那這個部分我們加緊腳步加緊腳步\n部長我想本席對你很有信心尤其你上任之後我們也聊了很多關於屏東這個交通建設的事情那我也相信部長一直都有包含我們的鐵路的運輸軌道建設也好包含我們屏南快速道路包含高鐵的一個進度我想部長跟我們局長大家都有在掌握但是我們期待的是\n不管哪一條方案,我們都支持趕快定案、趕快動工,這才是屏東人的期待。沒錯。不要給我們汙聞民話說,今天高雄被拆房子是因為屏東造成的,這個對屏東人來講扛不起這個責任啊,部長。是。\n這個部分我們會努力啦對社會的說明也好對地方的說明也好剛才在講的兩個方案不管是走左營案或者是走高雄案其實對地方還是會有一些影響那這個影響我們會來說明\n部長我記得上個會期我們王國材前部長我就問過這個問題那時候我們的期程是2019年我們那時候開始啟動2029年要完工動開始我們的運行結果現在已經2024年了\n到現在連路線在哪裡就還沒確定這是要怎麼對屏東人做交代是啦 不能讓屏東的鄉親覺得這個案子一直在拖或者是說一直說沒有做啦所以交通部既定的立場就是我們希望在年底一定要定案對於路線的部分要做定案這樣才能夠進入下一步\n的進度。\n二、政府若高雄市受影響部分也希望我們部裡面積極來溝通。我們有責任要來溝通\n另外我想第二個問題就是我們屏東這邊我們的高捷紅線有衍生到我們所謂的臨邊道東港這個路線那因為之前我們有知道我們在大概在高雄端有這個一線到底的一個問題那高雄市好像比較堅持這個方案那另外就是針對這個臨遠市化貢業區這部分的這個到底要是要高價化還是要走淺遁這個部分不曉得目前有沒有比較最新的一個進度\n我們現在齁這個系統還是希望他走高價輕軌的方式如果用高價輕軌的方式可能是比較適合屏東這一端那目前可行性研究正在進行當中那也送到鐵道局了鐵道局在審查那我是不是請鐵道局長來回應一下好跟完報告齁\n這個案子屏東縣政府最近有送回來但是因為這個就是林園這一段在高雄跟在屏東這個地方高架的這個部分石化廠這個議題我們要持續來跟屏東縣政府跟高雄市政府來溝通協調\n能不能再加快施程這個齁?我們一定加速來辦理尤其我想這個這也要跟部長請命啦齁因為其實對我們來講我們當然希望一車道理但是這牽扯到這個經費分攤的部分齁運動觀念再講比較困難啦如果我們交通部可以來多幫忙一點有沒有辦法克服這個一車道理這個問題\n一車到底要溝通,因為屏東縣政府有他的想法,然後高雄市政府有他的想法,這兩邊的想法我們在中間當然會協助來溝通。對,部長所以本市都一直很擔心,尤其剛剛高鐵那個案子,回過頭來我再講那個案子,你如果今天進高雄市,好,現在我紅磅也在拖啦,\n在進行評估之後會不會時間越拖越長我們都擔心這個問題因為有新的方案出來就會有新的討論就會有很多的想法地方有很多的意見時間真的不能等所以我們會加速溝通而且要落實溝通讓地方上大家能夠理解\n這個方案或那個方案哪一個方案比較好那對民眾的影響我們也會盡量降到最低大家擔心的部分我們會盡量去跟民眾說明我們如何用工程的方式或者是用交違的方式來降低民眾的影響跟擔心\n部長那第三個就針對我們下禮拜一我們有排交通委員會的考察會看一下恆春機場那恆春機場其實是一個很重要的一個尤其對我們這個整個墾丁恆春的觀光是一個很重要那之前我知道縣政府一直有在啟動所謂一個包機也好一些計畫但是有牽扯到跟軍方的一些\n一切的問題,還有一個所謂的一個洛杉磅的一個天后因素那這部分有沒有機會能夠重新再做這樣一個評估,要不然這放在那邊、趴在那邊也沒辦法討論怎麼樣做一個活化的一個規劃是這個機場一直都在那個地方,那我們部內也在討論說機場整體的活化的問題\n那天候的問題其實我們用技術上可不可以再精進一點那雖然幅度不一定有辦法做到很確很落實或者很大但是我們在技術上或者是科技的層面上怎麼讓克服這個天候的問題這一方面二方面其實包機的補助的部分我們也在思考看有沒有辦法再做更多的這個優惠方案來促銷來讓包機能夠進來肯定這邊\n有請你看我們對整個我們東南亞如果說我們可以直接包機直接到鳳村機場我們可以在地這樣子做一個整個南台灣的一個旅遊我相信很有賣點啦是這麼節省很多的交通時間因為現在很多我們很多的這個亞洲的國家的旅客都必須飛到桃園還要坐高鐵就來對浪費很多時間的啦\n這部分我們再來努力,拜師傅請部長我們也來講一下怎麼樣來協助我們這個肯定的觀光業能夠繼續的蓬勃發展,好不好?好,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.096 --> 00:08.261\n謝謝主席。有請我們陳部長還有我們鐵道局楊局長。\n\n00:19.657 --> 00:35.191\n部長、局長早安今天本期用很沉重的心情站在這個地方要來質詢我想最近這個高鐵的這個難免的議題這個不管是在我們立法院也好還有高雄市議會也好廢廢揚揚\n\n00:37.313 --> 01:02.748\n那我要請教部長的是從我印象最深刻現在我們總統府的潘茂安秘書長在2005年擔任立委的任內就開始在追蹤所謂的高鐵南延屏東這個案子一直到2019年我們蘇貞昌前院長正式核定了這個高鐵南延屏東而且路線也都確定了為什麼到目前我們還在討論這個路線的問題難道有什麼狀況嗎\n\n01:07.442 --> 01:34.332\n請部長回答其實過去最早我聽到的是有6個方案後來變成4個方案那最近我們收斂成是兩個方案在討論就是高雄案跟左營案那漸漸收斂我們還是希望照李前部長他當時的宣示我們在年底之前交通部要來公告說要走哪一個方案要來決定這件事情所以年底的這個計畫不會延宕我們年底一定會來確定路線\n\n01:35.672 --> 01:57.331\n部長本席還是要提醒這個剛剛我聽到林俊憲委員說臺南沒有捷運這聽起來我很心酸的啦我們屏東沒有捷運也沒有高鐵有機場也不能用我們陸海空的交通真的完全完全都在西部縣是完全非常的一個落後啦部長你覺得這樣正常不然我們付資金來改善一下\n\n01:59.393 --> 02:16.030\n我們現在作為執政黨當然要負責任來解決屏東的行的問題過去幾十年甚至是幾百年屏東的交通的建設確實是落後到其他縣市非常非常多尤其跟西部的其他都市比起來那這個部分我們加緊腳步加緊腳步\n\n02:18.007 --> 02:41.296\n部長我想本席對你很有信心尤其你上任之後我們也聊了很多關於屏東這個交通建設的事情那我也相信部長一直都有包含我們的鐵路的運輸軌道建設也好包含我們屏南快速道路包含高鐵的一個進度我想部長跟我們局長大家都有在掌握但是我們期待的是\n\n02:42.296 --> 02:57.243\n不管哪一條方案,我們都支持趕快定案、趕快動工,這才是屏東人的期待。沒錯。不要給我們汙聞民話說,今天高雄被拆房子是因為屏東造成的,這個對屏東人來講扛不起這個責任啊,部長。是。\n\n02:59.450 --> 03:12.167\n這個部分我們會努力啦對社會的說明也好對地方的說明也好剛才在講的兩個方案不管是走左營案或者是走高雄案其實對地方還是會有一些影響那這個影響我們會來說明\n\n03:14.431 --> 03:21.393\n部長我記得上個會期我們王國材前部長我就問過這個問題那時候我們的期程是2019年我們那時候開始啟動2029年要完工動開始我們的運行結果現在已經2024年了\n\n03:31.076 --> 03:50.696\n到現在連路線在哪裡就還沒確定這是要怎麼對屏東人做交代是啦不能讓屏東的鄉親覺得這個案子一直在拖或者是說一直說沒有做啦所以交通部既定的立場就是我們希望在年底一定要定案對於路線的部分要做定案這樣才能夠進入下一步\n\n03:51.317 --> 03:51.517\n的進度。\n\n04:16.507 --> 04:20.532\n二、政府若高雄市受影響部分也希望我們部裡面積極來溝通。我們有責任要來溝通\n\n04:36.508 --> 05:03.496\n另外我想第二個問題就是我們屏東這邊我們的高捷紅線有衍生到我們所謂的臨邊道東港這個路線那因為之前我們有知道我們在大概在高雄端有這個一線到底的一個問題那高雄市好像比較堅持這個方案那另外就是針對這個臨遠市化貢業區這部分的這個到底要是要高價化還是要走淺遁這個部分不曉得目前有沒有比較最新的一個進度\n\n05:05.265 --> 05:22.457\n我們現在齁這個系統還是希望他走高價輕軌的方式如果用高價輕軌的方式可能是比較適合屏東這一端那目前可行性研究正在進行當中那也送到鐵道局了鐵道局在審查那我是不是請鐵道局長來回應一下好跟完報告齁\n\n05:24.624 --> 05:38.245\n這個案子屏東縣政府最近有送回來但是因為這個就是林園這一段在高雄跟在屏東這個地方高架的這個部分石化廠這個議題我們要持續來跟屏東縣政府跟高雄市政府來溝通協調\n\n05:41.185 --> 06:01.970\n能不能再加快施程這個齁?我們一定加速來辦理尤其我想這個這也要跟部長請命啦齁因為其實對我們來講我們當然希望一車道理但是這牽扯到這個經費分攤的部分齁運動觀念再講比較困難啦如果我們交通部可以來多幫忙一點有沒有辦法克服這個一車道理這個問題\n\n06:04.242 --> 06:23.149\n一車到底要溝通,因為屏東縣政府有他的想法,然後高雄市政府有他的想法,這兩邊的想法我們在中間當然會協助來溝通。對,部長所以本市都一直很擔心,尤其剛剛高鐵那個案子,回過頭來我再講那個案子,你如果今天進高雄市,好,現在我紅磅也在拖啦,\n\n06:25.611 --> 06:43.707\n在進行評估之後會不會時間越拖越長我們都擔心這個問題因為有新的方案出來就會有新的討論就會有很多的想法地方有很多的意見時間真的不能等所以我們會加速溝通而且要落實溝通讓地方上大家能夠理解\n\n06:44.848 --> 06:58.742\n這個方案或那個方案哪一個方案比較好那對民眾的影響我們也會盡量降到最低大家擔心的部分我們會盡量去跟民眾說明我們如何用工程的方式或者是用交違的方式來降低民眾的影響跟擔心\n\n06:59.909 --> 07:21.168\n部長那第三個就針對我們下禮拜一我們有排交通委員會的考察會看一下恆春機場那恆春機場其實是一個很重要的一個尤其對我們這個整個墾丁恆春的觀光是一個很重要那之前我知道縣政府一直有在啟動所謂一個包機也好一些計畫但是有牽扯到跟軍方的一些\n\n07:21.789 --> 07:36.897\n一切的問題,還有一個所謂的一個洛杉磅的一個天后因素那這部分有沒有機會能夠重新再做這樣一個評估,要不然這放在那邊、趴在那邊也沒辦法討論怎麼樣做一個活化的一個規劃是這個機場一直都在那個地方,那我們部內也在討論說機場整體的活化的問題\n\n07:39.938 --> 08:03.716\n那天候的問題其實我們用技術上可不可以再精進一點那雖然幅度不一定有辦法做到很確很落實或者很大但是我們在技術上或者是科技的層面上怎麼讓克服這個天候的問題這一方面二方面其實包機的補助的部分我們也在思考看有沒有辦法再做更多的這個優惠方案來促銷來讓包機能夠進來肯定這邊\n\n08:05.877 --> 08:24.663\n有請你看我們對整個我們東南亞如果說我們可以直接包機直接到鳳村機場我們可以在地這樣子做一個整個南台灣的一個旅遊我相信很有賣點啦是這麼節省很多的交通時間因為現在很多我們很多的這個亞洲的國家的旅客都必須飛到桃園還要坐高鐵就來對浪費很多時間的啦\n\n08:26.644 --> 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