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--> 00:00:08,588\n謝謝主席有請陳世凱部長跟黃英貴市長好陳部長市長部長好委員好部長那個來自台南有些台南的交通問題來跟您談討一下\n\n2\n00:00:21,516 --> 00:00:39,581\n大概好幾次的民調數字顯示出來臺南的交通問題是所有的市民最頭痛同時也是最期待不論是住在臺南或是來到臺南的人都有感受到臺南的交通相對其他的城市發展或其他的面向而言相對落後了\n\n3\n00:00:40,694 --> 00:00:56,583\n那是有相對落後大概幾個面向可以來做思考啦我想第一個就是說我們從公路運輸的部分公路運輸的部分其實你我們如果從設備面或管理面兩個角度來看的話最後的結果就是那個肇事的情況其實肇事率其實一直居高不下\n\n4\n00:00:58,052 --> 00:01:20,490\n那A1的部分的發生其實讓人家都非常的心痛特別是少子化的這種狀況那本席在這一個南科區的當中常常有A1的事件那都是國家的人才也是父母的心中寶貝但是問題是這個交通系統的部分政府也投入一些的部分但是有一些方向我想說就跟本部長跟市長來做探討\n\n5\n00:01:21,551 --> 00:01:37,086\n因為在整個交通系統來說他會因應整個南科的變化變化最主要南科的部分呢大部分人都住在高速公路以西也就是舊的舊城區那邊那你又要跑到高速公路以東的南科來上班\n\n6\n00:01:37,606 --> 00:01:59,705\n那南科現在的就業人口數大概9萬人接下來就大概10萬所以所有新增人口當中造成整個運輸流量的一個擁擠但是偏偏這種擁擠的部分你沒有辦法解決然後當然你也想要一直投入在這部分也就是開闢了所謂的北外環道路北外環道路當然是正確的一個方向但是現階段因為交通的問題或房價的因素這些人已經有往北\n\n7\n00:02:01,165 --> 00:02:26,373\n移動南科的一些硝煙往北就目前37個行政區當中人口數成長最多就是西港區它就是在所謂的曾文溪的北邊那本席就是要跟您探討這個部分應該因應整個區域的發展跟需求來進行公路運輸的一個規劃我就請教部長跟市長的部分是不是應該朝向這個部分除了內政部的一些跨西大橋是屬於生活圈道路之外\n\n8\n00:02:27,173 --> 00:02:35,062\n我們交通部的公路運輸系統在整個往南科向北蔓延的情況底下到底有沒有這樣的思維?部長\n\n9\n00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:57,472\n報告委員您所提到的這些我們也認為是相當的重要所以現在其實我們也結合台南市政府大家一起在研商跟研討說要怎麼樣去解決這樣型的方面的問題那各方面不管是公路或者是鐵路各方面在努力那委員您今天關注的是公路的部分部長我先打算一下\n\n10\n00:02:58,032 --> 00:03:19,970\n因為呢地方政府通常是比較沒有錢啊那貧窮都限制了想像所以呢我們事實上現在有個35億元就是說有珍貴西港大橋底下的一個道路系統還有包括國發展立體化的一個工程這個都是好事情但是這不夠譬如講最近討論最多的是加科到南科的道路加科到南科的道路你們居然把重點放在嘉義到新穎\n\n11\n00:03:21,311 --> 00:03:41,267\n加科其實還沒有成型耶真正的成型是南科耶我剛剛說的由南往北就是南科的效應所以真正需要把高鐵橋下道路開闢的其實是南科往西營這一段這段的一個起初報告那個研究報告其實在2009年的時候就有報告出來了\n\n12\n00:03:42,849 --> 00:04:05,982\n2009年喔2009年到現在是連動都沒有動喔整個南科的發展這個一二十年來已經是產值最多了部長我慎重的提醒你這個部分應該去思考南科到家科的部分南半段的需求遠遠大過於北半段的需求南科的產值跟實質的效用遠遠大過於未來的這個家科的想像啊\n\n13\n00:04:07,203 --> 00:04:36,343\n這是ING正在發生的可是每次區呢都有不同的理由公路局都來說不同的理由每次會刊之後說要進度也沒有任何具體的進度我請部長把這些公路運輸應該發展的陸正式就在你旁邊做一個因應南科發展一個整體的規劃出來以你的高度來跟地方政府協助而不是由地方政府來跟你提出需求委員您所提到這個高鐵\n\n14\n00:04:37,603 --> 00:04:55,016\n橋下的這個對沒有錯就是呃臺37線臺39臺3737那個南部這邊是39對對對沒關係啦重點那那這個部分當然我們現在會積極來推動啦您剛剛有提到一個問題的關鍵點是在於說我們一直在等待地方政府跟我們提\n\n15\n00:04:55,837 --> 00:05:09,929\n現在或許我們換一個角度因為對於整個國家的發展來講臺南是相當的重要所以我們可能由我們交通部主動來跟地方政府我們一起來協商然後把可行性評估把它做好可行性研究把它做好\n\n16\n00:05:10,529 --> 00:05:11,530\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長\n\n17\n00:05:25,546 --> 00:05:29,068\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長有限公司董事長有限公司董事長\n\n18\n00:05:51,138 --> 00:06:13,352\n那最後我還是要耽誤主席一點時間因為整個最關鍵的問題是六都當中現在唯一沒有捷運的就是臺南就臺南那核定的第一期的燃線初步的路網的部分是涵蓋整個高鐵的周遭這個部分這不是錯誤的這是基本的這個路網是需要可是第一個部分就是說\n\n19\n00:06:14,913 --> 00:06:30,710\n藍線的綠線的一個延伸的一個深綠線他結合了整個高鐵跟南科這兩個最重要的發展引擎這個部分我不曉得為什麼地方政府跟你溝通這麼久連這個可行性評估計畫都拖延了這麼久的時間\n\n20\n00:06:32,717 --> 00:07:01,673\n花了已經兩三年了難道是放任他們自己去深綠線確實是現在最重要的啦我們有私下都討論過對那這個部分確實我們鐵道局是不是也來協助一下市政府對我們協助一下市政府讓他趕快送出來也就是臺南的捷運在六都整個西海岸地區當中有沒有可能後發先知後發先知方式不是一定要複製copy因為啊要融入一些聯合開發的一個可能性是\n\n21\n00:07:02,333 --> 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--> 00:08.588\n謝謝主席有請陳世凱部長跟黃英貴市長好陳部長市長部長好委員好部長那個來自台南有些台南的交通問題來跟您談討一下\n\n00:21.516 --> 00:39.581\n大概好幾次的民調數字顯示出來臺南的交通問題是所有的市民最頭痛同時也是最期待不論是住在臺南或是來到臺南的人都有感受到臺南的交通相對其他的城市發展或其他的面向而言相對落後了\n\n00:40.694 --> 00:56.583\n那是有相對落後大概幾個面向可以來做思考啦我想第一個就是說我們從公路運輸的部分公路運輸的部分其實你我們如果從設備面或管理面兩個角度來看的話最後的結果就是那個肇事的情況其實肇事率其實一直居高不下\n\n00:58.052 --> 01:20.490\n那A1的部分的發生其實讓人家都非常的心痛特別是少子化的這種狀況那本席在這一個南科區的當中常常有A1的事件那都是國家的人才也是父母的心中寶貝但是問題是這個交通系統的部分政府也投入一些的部分但是有一些方向我想說就跟本部長跟市長來做探討\n\n01:21.551 --> 01:37.086\n因為在整個交通系統來說他會因應整個南科的變化變化最主要南科的部分呢大部分人都住在高速公路以西也就是舊的舊城區那邊那你又要跑到高速公路以東的南科來上班\n\n01:37.606 --> 01:59.705\n那南科現在的就業人口數大概9萬人接下來就大概10萬所以所有新增人口當中造成整個運輸流量的一個擁擠但是偏偏這種擁擠的部分你沒有辦法解決然後當然你也想要一直投入在這部分也就是開闢了所謂的北外環道路北外環道路當然是正確的一個方向但是現階段因為交通的問題或房價的因素這些人已經有往北\n\n02:01.165 --> 02:26.373\n移動南科的一些硝煙往北就目前37個行政區當中人口數成長最多就是西港區它就是在所謂的曾文溪的北邊那本席就是要跟您探討這個部分應該因應整個區域的發展跟需求來進行公路運輸的一個規劃我就請教部長跟市長的部分是不是應該朝向這個部分除了內政部的一些跨西大橋是屬於生活圈道路之外\n\n02:27.173 --> 02:35.062\n我們交通部的公路運輸系統在整個往南科向北蔓延的情況底下到底有沒有這樣的思維?部長\n\n02:36.520 --> 02:57.472\n報告委員您所提到的這些我們也認為是相當的重要所以現在其實我們也結合台南市政府大家一起在研商跟研討說要怎麼樣去解決這樣型的方面的問題那各方面不管是公路或者是鐵路各方面在努力那委員您今天關注的是公路的部分部長我先打算一下\n\n02:58.032 --> 03:19.970\n因為呢地方政府通常是比較沒有錢啊那貧窮都限制了想像所以呢我們事實上現在有個35億元就是說有珍貴西港大橋底下的一個道路系統還有包括國發展立體化的一個工程這個都是好事情但是這不夠譬如講最近討論最多的是加科到南科的道路加科到南科的道路你們居然把重點放在嘉義到新穎\n\n03:21.311 --> 03:41.267\n加科其實還沒有成型耶真正的成型是南科耶我剛剛說的由南往北就是南科的效應所以真正需要把高鐵橋下道路開闢的其實是南科往西營這一段這段的一個起初報告那個研究報告其實在2009年的時候就有報告出來了\n\n03:42.849 --> 04:05.982\n2009年喔2009年到現在是連動都沒有動喔整個南科的發展這個一二十年來已經是產值最多了部長我慎重的提醒你這個部分應該去思考南科到家科的部分南半段的需求遠遠大過於北半段的需求南科的產值跟實質的效用遠遠大過於未來的這個家科的想像啊\n\n04:07.203 --> 04:36.343\n這是ING正在發生的可是每次區呢都有不同的理由公路局都來說不同的理由每次會刊之後說要進度也沒有任何具體的進度我請部長把這些公路運輸應該發展的陸正式就在你旁邊做一個因應南科發展一個整體的規劃出來以你的高度來跟地方政府協助而不是由地方政府來跟你提出需求委員您所提到這個高鐵\n\n04:37.603 --> 04:55.016\n橋下的這個對沒有錯就是呃臺37線臺39臺3737那個南部這邊是39對對對沒關係啦重點那那這個部分當然我們現在會積極來推動啦您剛剛有提到一個問題的關鍵點是在於說我們一直在等待地方政府跟我們提\n\n04:55.837 --> 05:09.929\n現在或許我們換一個角度因為對於整個國家的發展來講臺南是相當的重要所以我們可能由我們交通部主動來跟地方政府我們一起來協商然後把可行性評估把它做好可行性研究把它做好\n\n05:10.529 --> 05:11.530\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長\n\n05:25.546 --> 05:29.068\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長有限公司董事長有限公司董事長\n\n05:51.138 --> 06:13.352\n那最後我還是要耽誤主席一點時間因為整個最關鍵的問題是六都當中現在唯一沒有捷運的就是臺南就臺南那核定的第一期的燃線初步的路網的部分是涵蓋整個高鐵的周遭這個部分這不是錯誤的這是基本的這個路網是需要可是第一個部分就是說\n\n06:14.913 --> 06:30.710\n藍線的綠線的一個延伸的一個深綠線他結合了整個高鐵跟南科這兩個最重要的發展引擎這個部分我不曉得為什麼地方政府跟你溝通這麼久連這個可行性評估計畫都拖延了這麼久的時間\n\n06:32.717 --> 07:01.673\n花了已經兩三年了難道是放任他們自己去深綠線確實是現在最重要的啦我們有私下都討論過對那這個部分確實我們鐵道局是不是也來協助一下市政府對我們協助一下市政府讓他趕快送出來也就是臺南的捷運在六都整個西海岸地區當中有沒有可能後發先知後發先知方式不是一定要複製copy因為啊要融入一些聯合開發的一個可能性是\n\n07:02.333 --> 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關鍵的問題是六都當中現在唯一沒有捷運的就是臺南，核定第1期藍線初步的路網是涵蓋於整個高鐵的周遭部分，這不是錯誤的，這個基本的路網是需要的，可是第一個的部分，綠線的延伸即深綠線，它結合了整個高鐵跟南科這兩個最重要的發展引擎，這個部分我不曉得為什麼地方政府跟你溝通這麼久，連可行性評估計畫都拖延了這麼久的時間，已經花兩、三年了，難道是放任他們自己去……"],["陳部長世凱：跟委員報告，深綠線確實是現在最重要的，我們都討論過。"],["郭委員國文：對。"],["陳部長世凱：這個部分我們鐵道局也來協助一下市政府，讓他們趕快送出來。"],["郭委員國文：就是臺南的捷運在六都整個西海岸地區當中有沒有可能後發先至？後發先至的方式不是一定要複製，因為要融入一些聯合開發的可能性，我們有土地來源的單位，即我們有國有財產署，有台糖，還有軍方，這些可能性把綜合架構做下去，剛開始的評估怎麼可能說它綜合效益是低於1以下呢？不太可能的事情啊！","因為主席已經站起來了，我不方便占用太多時間，這個部分麻煩你們好好規劃一下，我剩下沒有問的問題在下次再來請教部長。"],["陳部長世凱：我們再跟委員報告。"],["郭委員國文：好，謝謝主席。"],["主席：謝謝郭委員。","接下來請王育敏發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":288,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-7","speakers":["魯明哲","李昆澤","林國成","許智傑","林沛祥","何欣純","陳素月","林俊憲","徐富癸","蔡其昌","廖先翔","邱若華","陳雪生","郭國文","王育敏","陳亭妃","陳菁徽","徐巧芯","黃國昌","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","林月琴","林倩綺","洪孟楷","楊瓊瓔","蔡易餘","陳培瑜","劉建國","游顥","黃健豪"],"page_start":197,"meetingDate":["2024-10-23"],"gazette_id":"1139001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139001_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長杜微及文化部就「臺鐵如何精進\n服務品質、落實轉型治理、加速資產活化、強化文資保存及提升鐵道美學與功能」進行專題報\n告，並備質詢；二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長就「我國軌道建設執行概況」進行專題報告，並備質\n詢；三、邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男、數位發展部資通安全署署長及國防部就「國防部財產申報\n作業誤失之問題檢討、應處作為、風險管控及後續強化資安保護」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1139001_00004"}}}