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00:03:49,225\n這個部分我們來確保但是我們剛才聽到116又到118啦對這個修正計畫推過來就是118那這個案子其實我也瞭解啦那也有跟他們討論過說怎麼去預防說未來還要再延宕的問題這個部分我們正在處理\n\n11\n00:03:50,145 --> 00:04:05,163\n好謝謝那最後當然我是從高雄來的嘛所以當然也有非常多鄉親我也知道您總諮詢這幾天有被問到這個問題請問今年年底是不是您就可以決定進高雄市區的這個方案\n\n12\n00:04:05,723 --> 00:04:21,710\n今年年底我們會在左營方案跟高雄方案選定一個方案來做好決定因為卓院長有信誓旦旦在總質詢的時候說如果你已經決定要採高雄案的話現在要趕快做才可以省一筆錢請問這個計算的依據是什麼\n\n13\n00:04:24,708 --> 00:04:45,658\n因為我們現在看到很多的交通建設越晚啟動它的成本越高那也看到有一些包含桃園包含其他地方的這個修正計畫提報過來都看到物價指數在提高然後那個勞工的那個薪資也提高所以你們年底前就會給我們好消息就一定要決定我們會決定方案對年底前一定要決定方案\n\n14\n00:04:46,598 --> 00:05:05,892\n本席在這邊也想跟您說我也是支持高鐵進高雄站的但是到時候現在居民還有我們的選民們他們很關心的就是你這個交通維持計畫大家擔心說你一旦宣布可不可以就開始啟動未來他們因應這個交通黑暗期的方式\n\n15\n00:05:06,252 --> 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