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00:00:53,289\n是有這樣的規劃,我們是不是請後製室做一個來各委員報告一下,我們在強化這整個韌性上面,後勤韌性,我們的確準備了除了乾糧之外的一些便利包或者是即食品,可以方便這個官兵隨時可以使用其實現在官兵也有所謂的這個加熱式餐盒,只是現在列為的是救災物資而不是戰備物資\n\n3\n00:00:54,520 --> 00:01:17,183\n我們已經改列為戰備物資然後在下個年度會開始試行那全面來做的話是在115年115年等於一年多後對這應該有預算的關係是我也很清楚這沒問題我想給官兵弟兄吃的比較好或是說比較及時加熱熱騰騰的食物嘛總不是說這個冷冰冰的乾涼口涼\n\n4\n00:01:18,204 --> 00:01:39,480\n但是有外界講是說他一個參核要240塊如果說我們比較大量的話是不是能夠壓低這個成本或甚至說我們是不是能夠有跟國內的廠商來去做研發合作還是怎麼樣是其實我們這個加勒斯的參核跟美軍他的加勒斯參核幾乎是一樣我們要考慮到官兵在戰場上面他需要的熱量\n\n5\n00:01:40,521 --> 00:02:06,817\n保存、攜帶性、方便性等等還有一些特殊的狀況需要使用的話它的加熱速度要很快所以基本上它的價格應該是不會太低這是成本價好了解沒問題這給官編弟兄比較好的待遇我想這個是我們共同努力的目標再來部長我想請教您今天上午也有證實是說在\n\n6\n00:02:08,277 --> 00:02:15,817\n中共他們上個禮拜的一個軍演的時候當天是有調動相關部隊的其中包括說關子部是不是\n\n7\n00:02:17,677 --> 00:02:45,148\n我想這個關子部的部分因為我們沒有提升戰備成績那關子部的部分的話應該是由關子部的指揮官他基於這個淡水河防的一個介護的一個任務他認為有這樣的一個戰備需求所以他召回小部分的應該是只有25名的這個郡居地在附近的然後回來然後做一個這個他認為一個加強戒備\n\n8\n00:02:46,108 --> 00:03:13,742\n那這個是他應該是指揮官比較積極認識的部分積極認識啦齁那但是就整個國防部來講並沒有提高這個戰備等級因為當天國防部的記者會有媒體也詢問那當天的記者會是講是說並未下達任何的動員那可是昨天就有看到是說官職部因為本期的選區就在淡水阿其實我們淡水的鄉親真的很配合我們國軍阿\n\n9\n00:03:15,023 --> 00:03:30,456\n就是說要演習要有任何的動作的時候其實都是在淡水地區但是我們淡水地區的鄉親也認為是說我們軍民也一家嘛可是如果說有什麼樣的一個動作什麼樣的情況下的話總是我們也希望是國防部能夠告訴我們國人\n\n10\n00:03:32,277 --> 00:04:01,549\n而不是說記者會講沒有那後來你才講是說有戰備需求因為今天早上的媒體的下標是顧立雄認了有戰備需求所以關子部10點召回官兵我是說是由關子部他自己做決定就這個部分的話我是事後去了解是由關子部的那關子部抱歉喔部長關子部做相關的一個動作沒有再往上呈報嗎還是關子部就可以來做決定了\n\n11\n00:04:03,135 --> 00:04:30,376\n報告委員我是林三次長因為上個禮拜的這個中共的聯合力軍2024B他的一個威脅的態樣我們北中南東不見得是一致的那關子部他所負責的是包含的淡水河口甚至於他這個藉由河口他可以很快的突入到我們的中蘇地區所以關子部的指揮官他這個考量了敵情未來的發展他才會有這樣子的一個\n\n12\n00:04:30,936 --> 00:04:50,738\n官職或指揮官考量的敵情他的敵情是他有看到什麼還是他有掌握到什麼而做一下動作他的情報是從哪邊來當然第一個部分是從中共他所發布軍演的課程第二個是我們相關的一些情監偵的手段\n\n13\n00:04:51,178 --> 00:05:17,088\n相關單位嘛是是不是所以是相關單位告訴關子部關子部來做相關的命令但做相關的命令來做相關動作的時候他沒有往國防部回報嗎這個部分基本上我們沒有去要求他必須要向我們回報但是關子部的指揮官他也是他並不是把所有關子部的人全部召回他也只是做一些預應的措施只召回25位好來部長\n\n14\n00:05:20,831 --> 00:05:45,128\n部長本席再請教現在有媒體也有一些民調機構都有講到是說對於中共近期武力犯台國軍防衛台灣的能力有沒有信心這個是基金會做說45%的民眾對於國軍防衛台灣能力有信心但是50.3%是沒有信心部長你有看到這一個相關民調嗎\n\n15\n00:05:46,629 --> 00:06:07,603\n我有大略看一下這個相關的不過我想國軍的重要的一個戰略的目標是在拒止這個敵人達成任務也就是說我之前已經有講過了我們如果這個暫時的話我們就是主要的目的就是在讓中共能夠放棄奪台這個行動\n\n16\n00:06:09,484 --> 00:06:32,475\n我們會利用這個不對稱作戰的一個概念在它最脆弱的時候去讓拒止、遲滯或擾亂敵人達成這樣子登台的作戰目標這個是我們認為現在是我們的基本的一個戰略我們認為我們有信心應該可以來不斷地來削弱在它最脆弱的那一個時段不斷地削弱它的一個戰略\n\n17\n00:06:32,935 --> 00:06:57,417\n部長你認為我們現在有信心本席也希望對我們中華民國國軍都很有信心那但是另外一個部分那我們準備好打仗了嗎因為我們看到駐美代表他直接在接受媒體訪問的時候就講說台灣準備好打仗了我想請教一下外交系統跟國防系統他講這樣的話發言的時候有參考或是詢問國防系統的一個意見嗎\n\n18\n00:06:58,311 --> 00:07:11,614\n我想余大使應該主要的重點應該是要強化自我防衛的能力跟決心這樣子的一個意思這樣子那我們還是以這個維持兩岸的和平穩定的現狀我們沒有要求我們沒有要求戰如果說你強化自我防衛的意識跟決心我們百分之百贊成\n\n19\n00:07:22,617 --> 00:07:47,231\n但是為什麼會有一個駐美代表尤其是相關外交人員他尤其又是在美國對國際的媒體他反而會講出說台灣準備好作戰我還是認為部長怎麼現在感覺好像部長像外交官外交官像國防部長這以前我們有個戰狼外交部長現在我們有戰狼駐美代表這很奇怪啊\n\n20\n00:07:48,152 --> 00:08:09,109\n如果說真的有發生任何戰事全部都是我們的官兵弟兄要在第一線面臨戰事這都是我們的子弟那對於國防部長來講當然你有你的戰略考量但是對於國人來說我們希望的是安全我們也支持國軍捍衛中華民國捍衛2350萬人\n\n21\n00:08:13,254 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部長\n320831\t345128\t部長本席再請教現在有媒體也有一些民調機構都有講到是說對於中共近期武力犯台國軍防衛台灣的能力有沒有信心這個是基金會做說45%的民眾對於國軍防衛台灣能力有信心但是50.3%是沒有信心部長你有看到這一個相關民調嗎\n346629\t367603\t我有大略看一下這個相關的不過我想國軍的重要的一個戰略的目標是在拒止這個敵人達成任務也就是說我之前已經有講過了我們如果這個暫時的話我們就是主要的目的就是在讓中共能夠放棄奪台這個行動\n369484\t392475\t我們會利用這個不對稱作戰的一個概念在它最脆弱的時候去讓拒止、遲滯或擾亂敵人達成這樣子登台的作戰目標這個是我們認為現在是我們的基本的一個戰略我們認為我們有信心應該可以來不斷地來削弱在它最脆弱的那一個時段不斷地削弱它的一個戰略\n392935\t417417\t部長你認為我們現在有信心本席也希望對我們中華民國國軍都很有信心那但是另外一個部分那我們準備好打仗了嗎因為我們看到駐美代表他直接在接受媒體訪問的時候就講說台灣準備好打仗了我想請教一下外交系統跟國防系統他講這樣的話發言的時候有參考或是詢問國防系統的一個意見嗎\n418311\t431614\t我想余大使應該主要的重點應該是要強化自我防衛的能力跟決心這樣子的一個意思這樣子那我們還是以這個維持兩岸的和平穩定的現狀我們沒有要求我們沒有要求戰如果說你強化自我防衛的意識跟決心我們百分之百贊成\n442617\t467231\t但是為什麼會有一個駐美代表尤其是相關外交人員他尤其又是在美國對國際的媒體他反而會講出說台灣準備好作戰我還是認為部長怎麼現在感覺好像部長像外交官外交官像國防部長這以前我們有個戰狼外交部長現在我們有戰狼駐美代表這很奇怪啊\n468152\t489109\t如果說真的有發生任何戰事全部都是我們的官兵弟兄要在第一線面臨戰事這都是我們的子弟那對於國防部長來講當然你有你的戰略考量但是對於國人來說我們希望的是安全我們也支持國軍捍衛中華民國捍衛2350萬人\n493254\t507024\t可是我們有需要這樣子像駐美代表一樣然後講說準備好打仗嗎這樣的話是不是之前講出來沒有跟國防部討論過你是不是也不清楚他有接受這個專訪在他專訪之前我們備戰並不求戰\n511348\t538653\t我們也不拒戰、不畏戰,但我們不求戰我們也希望能夠和平穩定發展,不是嗎?是,我們維持希望兩岸維持現狀這個是我們的目標謝謝部長,我想在外交國防委員會既然是外交國防委員會,一半是外交一半是國防我們台灣的處境不容易,我也理解但是捍衛中華民國的主權,我們都是共同一致的\n539384\t539404\t謝謝好 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我想請教您今天上午也有證實是說在\n中共他們上個禮拜的一個軍演的時候當天是有調動相關部隊的其中包括說關子部是不是\n我想這個關子部的部分因為我們沒有提升戰備成績那關子部的部分的話應該是由關子部的指揮官他基於這個淡水河防的一個介護的一個任務他認為有這樣的一個戰備需求所以他召回小部分的應該是只有25名的這個郡居地在附近的然後回來然後做一個這個他認為一個加強戒備\n那這個是他應該是指揮官比較積極認識的部分積極認識啦齁那但是就整個國防部來講並沒有提高這個戰備等級因為當天國防部的記者會有媒體也詢問那當天的記者會是講是說並未下達任何的動員那可是昨天就有看到是說官職部因為本期的選區就在淡水阿其實我們淡水的鄉親真的很配合我們國軍阿\n就是說要演習要有任何的動作的時候其實都是在淡水地區但是我們淡水地區的鄉親也認為是說我們軍民也一家嘛可是如果說有什麼樣的一個動作什麼樣的情況下的話總是我們也希望是國防部能夠告訴我們國人\n而不是說記者會講沒有那後來你才講是說有戰備需求因為今天早上的媒體的下標是顧立雄認了有戰備需求所以關子部10點召回官兵我是說是由關子部他自己做決定就這個部分的話我是事後去了解是由關子部的那關子部 抱歉喔 部長關子部做相關的一個動作沒有再往上呈報嗎還是關子部就可以來做決定了\n報告委員我是林三次長因為上個禮拜的這個中共的聯合力軍2024B他的一個威脅的態樣我們北中南東不見得是一致的那關子部他所負責的是包含的淡水河口甚至於他這個藉由河口他可以很快的突入到我們的中蘇地區所以關子部的指揮官他這個考量了敵情未來的發展他才會有這樣子的一個\n官職或指揮官考量的敵情他的敵情是他有看到什麼還是他有掌握到什麼而做一下動作他的情報是從哪邊來當然第一個部分是從中共他所發布軍演的課程第二個是我們相關的一些情監偵的手段\n相關單位嘛 是是不是所以是相關單位告訴關子部關子部來做相關的命令但做相關的命令來做相關動作的時候他沒有往國防部回報嗎這個部分基本上我們沒有去要求他必須要向我們回報但是關子部的指揮官他也是他並不是把所有關子部的人全部召回他也只是做一些預應的措施只召回25位好 來 部長\n部長本席再請教現在有媒體也有一些民調機構都有講到是說對於中共近期武力犯台國軍防衛台灣的能力有沒有信心這個是基金會做說45%的民眾對於國軍防衛台灣能力有信心但是50.3%是沒有信心部長你有看到這一個相關民調嗎\n我有大略看一下這個相關的不過我想國軍的重要的一個戰略的目標是在拒止這個敵人達成任務也就是說我之前已經有講過了我們如果這個暫時的話我們就是主要的目的就是在讓中共能夠放棄奪台這個行動\n我們會利用這個不對稱作戰的一個概念在它最脆弱的時候去讓拒止、遲滯或擾亂敵人達成這樣子登台的作戰目標這個是我們認為現在是我們的基本的一個戰略我們認為我們有信心應該可以來不斷地來削弱在它最脆弱的那一個時段不斷地削弱它的一個戰略\n部長你認為我們現在有信心本席也希望對我們中華民國國軍都很有信心那但是另外一個部分那我們準備好打仗了嗎因為我們看到駐美代表他直接在接受媒體訪問的時候就講說台灣準備好打仗了我想請教一下外交系統跟國防系統他講這樣的話發言的時候有參考或是詢問國防系統的一個意見嗎\n我想余大使應該主要的重點應該是要強化自我防衛的能力跟決心這樣子的一個意思這樣子那我們還是以這個維持兩岸的和平穩定的現狀我們沒有要求我們沒有要求戰如果說你強化自我防衛的意識跟決心我們百分之百贊成\n但是為什麼會有一個駐美代表尤其是相關外交人員他尤其又是在美國對國際的媒體他反而會講出說台灣準備好作戰我還是認為部長怎麼現在感覺好像部長像外交官外交官像國防部長這以前我們有個戰狼外交部長現在我們有戰狼駐美代表這很奇怪啊\n如果說真的有發生任何戰事全部都是我們的官兵弟兄要在第一線面臨戰事這都是我們的子弟那對於國防部長來講當然你有你的戰略考量但是對於國人來說我們希望的是安全我們也支持國軍捍衛中華民國捍衛2350萬人\n可是我們有需要這樣子像駐美代表一樣然後講說準備好打仗嗎這樣的話是不是之前講出來沒有跟國防部討論過你是不是也不清楚他有接受這個專訪在他專訪之前我們備戰並不求戰\n我們也不拒戰、不畏戰,但我們不求戰我們也希望能夠和平穩定發展,不是嗎?是,我們維持希望兩岸維持現狀這個是我們的目標謝謝部長,我想在外交國防委員會既然是外交國防委員會,一半是外交一半是國防我們台灣的處境不容易,我也理解但是捍衛中華民國的主權,我們都是共同一致的\n謝謝好 謝謝謝偉\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.529 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