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00:00:41,590\n委員好部長跟學特斯司長好同影片幫我按下一張謝謝部長我一直在跟你討論關於校園兒少不當對待的事情不應該成為兒少法的裁罰黑數不知道部長上任至今我來質詢過非常多次不知道部長有沒有掌握目前的進度我當時的說在衛福部的內部分案的做法會導致很多兒少加害者繼續在兒少法\n\n3\n00:00:42,230 --> 00:01:06,450\n是你們自己兒少跑的框架裡面繼續被隱形、被吃案教育部也給我們相關的回文說目前只剩下少數縣市的補證資料從提案到今天已經半年過去目前的裁罰公告進度如何?可不可以請兩位做個回應?好,是的,我是不是...好,沒關係,看起來沒有掌握那我來告訴你部長、司長請繼續聽喔,來下一頁\n\n4\n00:01:09,417 --> 00:01:18,442\n目前我們手上有幾個新聞光是這個查得到的新聞還不含沒有報出來的新聞在兒少法財閥專區依然一片空白\n\n5\n00:01:19,913 --> 00:01:44,527\n為什麼會這樣?你們的說法告訴我說因為他要走司法流程他沒有司法流程走完他就沒有辦法被公告所以到他相關的判決完成前只要當事人這個加害者當事人他被解除羈押他就繼續在民間大搖大擺他可以開課他可以開班他可以用各式各樣的名義在民間收小孩進來上他的課\n\n6\n00:01:46,048 --> 00:01:46,188\n登委員說明\n\n7\n00:02:03,618 --> 00:02:31,569\n其實行政法跟這個刑事法是兩個病例我當然知道可是我一再來這裡所以你們要告訴我怎麼辦嗎如果我今天要幫我的小孩去報名一個外面的課程可是衛福部這個兒少財法專區卻告訴我說家長們不用擔心你到我們的網站上來可以查一查陳培瑜是不是加害曾經有加害的案例陳培瑜是不是...但是因為陳培瑜的案件還沒有走完那你們難道沒有做法可以做嗎如果按照你的說法我跟你分享下一個案例來下一頁\n\n8\n00:02:32,729 --> 00:02:57,226\n凱凱案大家很心痛而且全臺灣都在矚目於是呢12月凱凱過世2024年3月新聞揭露很快的癥結起訴可是我要說要不是因為凱凱案有這麼高的關注度他的偵查起訴也不會這麼快於是你們才罰公告就很快有相關的案例可以讓我們去理解難道我們每一個孩子都要像凱凱一樣那麼慘加害人的名字才可以快速被看見嗎\n\n9\n00:03:02,073 --> 00:03:03,914\n臺灣的家長對於我們政府沒有信心因為有非常非常多的案子\n\n10\n00:03:31,482 --> 00:03:51,177\n一而再、一而再、再而三的就發生這個事情八月臺中六歲童遭虐捏脖子壓制者手全身傷施暴者是園長九月性侵竹北三個男童陽光國立大學生十月新竹三歲小孩昏厥送醫竟然是健身教練虐到睾丸發黑這些都是有上新聞\n\n11\n00:03:51,897 --> 00:04:05,825\n而且就算上了新聞他一樣不會在財閥專區被公告更何況沒有上新聞我要再次請教衛福部你們自己可不可以有更積極的做法不要再用司法判決還沒有裁處判決出來\n\n12\n00:04:07,746 --> 00:04:32,436\n自從這個委員關心特別是家外的不當對待希望能夠還有校外的不當對待這些事情對就是校外就是他們的關係不是主要照顧者這類的那我們現在都以岸管制那所以我們3個月都會定期去跟縣市做一些勾結核對3個月喔我們在自己跟縣市政府3個月會做定期的聯繫會議來做\n\n13\n00:04:34,477 --> 00:04:34,677\n陳培瑜議員\n\n14\n00:05:04,526 --> 00:05:30,218\n三個月這裡面的人如果再度做了什麼樣的壞事我們如何確保孩子的安全我覺得我們真的很難跟家長交代我們真的很難跟這些受害的小孩交代假設三個月你們真的也開成了會開成了會之後最後的決議一樣告訴我因為司法判決還沒有走完尚未定念所以他不能上兒少法裁罰專區被公告姓名那不就是回到原點了嗎\n\n15\n00:05:31,238 --> 00:05:31,658\n行政調查的\n\n16\n00:05:49,924 --> 00:05:52,647\n目前我們的行政規定原則上是4個月啦最長就是原則上就是說能夠超過的話就4個月因為這個4個月是按照這個性侵\n\n17\n00:06:16,508 --> 00:06:29,789\n姓邵的這個相關法規規定的最長4個月所以難道好那所以你的意思是告訴我說如果在相關法規我們表定4個月那難道我們要回來談修法嗎那就又回到之前我已經問過兒少全法修法進途到底是什麼\n\n18\n00:06:31,510 --> 00:06:31,550\n陳培瑜\n\n19\n00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:46,920\n陳培瑜\n\n20\n00:07:07,657 --> 00:07:25,812\n很難用啦齁但是我知道你們我看你們有誠意了你們知道把那個兒少法的部分跟幼教法加在一起讓家長可以快速查詢這個部分我要先快速給予肯定可是我相信整個系統整個平台都可以更加的好用然後讓家長一鍵查詢可是還是要回到兒少事件調查跟裁罰公告我認為應該要在一個月內告訴大家你們可以更積極的怎麼往下做而不是只有在告訴我們四個月法規範是四個月或者是三個月會開一次會議\n\n21\n00:07:36,621 --> 00:07:39,784\n縣市都在調查中那如果他還沒有公告就表示他在進行中\n\n22\n00:08:01,724 --> 00:08:18,273\n我想委員提的這個很重要,如果按照時程反不及急,我想我們來演繹看看有更快速的保護我們兒少的一定要第一時間就能夠保護,一定要用各種方法我們來努力\n\n23\n00:08:19,394 --> 00:08:47,437\n好那我要再一次說我並不是說臺北市做得好其實臺北市那個案子要不是鬧得很大其實它也不會走這麼快我們實話實說所以我只是要告訴部長也告訴司長您齁我們目前遇到的困境就是這樣假設所有立委辦公室都會收到跟兒少陳情最大的破口可能就是我剛剛講的那件事情不管你們是因為三個月才開一次會還是相關的法規範說四個月才要再開一次會所有這些中間的空洞會讓這些犯法的\n\n24\n00:08:47,577 --> 00:08:54,044\n大人一而再再而三繼續在民間流竄我要再次強調這些事情所以他可以不要進補習班\n\n25\n00:08:55,885 --> 00:09:22,082\n因為補習班他有相關的法規範要去查詢他自己光是在網路上在任何的報名平台他就可以開班授課他取名叫烘魚老師叫什麼大頭魚老師然後過去他所有的東西都不會被查到然後他繼續招生授課然後繼續殘害我們的小孩我們真的不知道什麼時候會再一個悲傷的個案產生所以我要真的積極我一而再再而三每次來衛環委員會都在講這個題目要拜託\n\n26\n00:09:23,513 --> 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我們也會再繼續追蹤 謝謝主席 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席,有請衛福部部長還有教育部,謝謝。\n委員好部長跟學特斯司長好同影片幫我按下一張謝謝部長我一直在跟你討論關於校園兒少不當對待的事情不應該成為兒少法的裁罰黑數不知道部長上任至今我來質詢過非常多次不知道部長有沒有掌握目前的進度我當時的說在衛福部的內部分案的做法會導致很多兒少加害者繼續在兒少法\n是你們自己兒少跑的框架裡面繼續被隱形、被吃案教育部也給我們相關的回文說目前只剩下少數縣市的補證資料從提案到今天已經半年過去目前的裁罰公告進度如何?可不可以請兩位做個回應?好,是的,我是不是...好,沒關係,看起來沒有掌握那我來告訴你部長、司長請繼續聽喔,來下一頁\n目前我們手上有幾個新聞光是這個查得到的新聞還不含沒有報出來的新聞在兒少法財閥專區依然一片空白\n為什麼會這樣?你們的說法告訴我說因為他要走司法流程他沒有司法流程走完他就沒有辦法被公告所以到他相關的判決完成前只要當事人這個加害者當事人他被解除羈押他就繼續在民間大搖大擺他可以開課他可以開班他可以用各式各樣的名義在民間收小孩進來上他的課\n登委員說明\n其實行政法跟這個刑事法是兩個病例我當然知道可是我一再來這裡所以你們要告訴我怎麼辦嗎如果我今天要幫我的小孩去報名一個外面的課程可是衛福部這個兒少財法專區卻告訴我說家長們不用擔心你到我們的網站上來可以查一查陳培瑜是不是加害曾經有加害的案例陳培瑜是不是...但是因為陳培瑜的案件還沒有走完那你們難道沒有做法可以做嗎如果按照你的說法我跟你分享下一個案例來下一頁\n凱凱案大家很心痛而且全臺灣都在矚目於是呢12月凱凱過世2024年3月新聞揭露很快的癥結起訴可是我要說要不是因為凱凱案有這麼高的關注度他的偵查起訴也不會這麼快於是你們才罰公告就很快有相關的案例可以讓我們去理解難道我們每一個孩子都要像凱凱一樣那麼慘加害人的名字才可以快速被看見嗎\n臺灣的家長對於我們政府沒有信心因為有非常非常多的案子\n一而再、一而再、再而三的就發生這個事情八月臺中六歲童遭虐捏脖子壓制者手全身傷施暴者是園長九月性侵竹北三個男童陽光國立大學生十月新竹三歲小孩昏厥送醫竟然是健身教練虐到睾丸發黑這些都是有上新聞\n而且就算上了新聞他一樣不會在財閥專區被公告更何況沒有上新聞我要再次請教衛福部你們自己可不可以有更積極的做法不要再用司法判決還沒有裁處判決出來\n自從這個委員關心特別是家外的不當對待希望能夠還有校外的不當對待這些事情對就是校外就是他們的關係不是主要照顧者這類的那我們現在都以岸管制那所以我們3個月都會定期去跟縣市做一些勾結核對3個月喔我們在自己跟縣市政府3個月會做定期的聯繫會議來做\n陳培瑜議員\n三個月這裡面的人如果再度做了什麼樣的壞事我們如何確保孩子的安全我覺得我們真的很難跟家長交代我們真的很難跟這些受害的小孩交代假設三個月你們真的也開成了會開成了會之後最後的決議一樣告訴我因為司法判決還沒有走完尚未定念所以他不能上兒少法裁罰專區被公告姓名那不就是回到原點了嗎\n行政調查的\n目前我們的行政規定原則上是4個月啦最長就是原則上就是說能夠超過的話就4個月因為這個4個月是按照這個性侵\n姓邵的這個相關法規規定的最長4個月所以難道好那所以你的意思是告訴我說如果在相關法規我們表定4個月那難道我們要回來談修法嗎那就又回到之前我已經問過兒少全法修法進途到底是什麼\n陳培瑜\n陳培瑜\n很難用啦齁但是我知道你們我看你們有誠意了你們知道把那個兒少法的部分跟幼教法加在一起讓家長可以快速查詢這個部分我要先快速給予肯定可是我相信整個系統整個平台都可以更加的好用然後讓家長一鍵查詢可是還是要回到兒少事件調查跟裁罰公告我認為應該要在一個月內告訴大家你們可以更積極的怎麼往下做而不是只有在告訴我們四個月法規範是四個月或者是三個月會開一次會議\n縣市都在調查中那如果他還沒有公告就表示他在進行中\n我想委員提的這個很重要,如果按照時程反不及急,我想我們來演繹看看有更快速的保護我們兒少的一定要第一時間就能夠保護,一定要用各種方法我們來努力\n好那我要再一次說我並不是說臺北市做得好其實臺北市那個案子要不是鬧得很大其實它也不會走這麼快我們實話實說所以我只是要告訴部長也告訴司長您齁我們目前遇到的困境就是這樣假設所有立委辦公室都會收到跟兒少陳情最大的破口可能就是我剛剛講的那件事情不管你們是因為三個月才開一次會還是相關的法規範說四個月才要再開一次會所有這些中間的空洞會讓這些犯法的\n大人一而再再而三繼續在民間流竄我要再次強調這些事情所以他可以不要進補習班\n因為補習班他有相關的法規範要去查詢他自己光是在網路上在任何的報名平台他就可以開班授課他取名叫烘魚老師叫什麼大頭魚老師然後過去他所有的東西都不會被查到然後他繼續招生授課然後繼續殘害我們的小孩我們真的不知道什麼時候會再一個悲傷的個案產生所以我要真的積極我一而再再而三每次來衛環委員會都在講這個題目要拜託\n好 我們也會再繼續追蹤 謝謝主席 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.396 --> 00:07.379\n謝謝主席,有請衛福部部長還有教育部,謝謝。\n\n00:13.444 --> 00:41.590\n委員好部長跟學特斯司長好同影片幫我按下一張謝謝部長我一直在跟你討論關於校園兒少不當對待的事情不應該成為兒少法的裁罰黑數不知道部長上任至今我來質詢過非常多次不知道部長有沒有掌握目前的進度我當時的說在衛福部的內部分案的做法會導致很多兒少加害者繼續在兒少法\n\n00:42.230 --> 01:06.450\n是你們自己兒少跑的框架裡面繼續被隱形、被吃案教育部也給我們相關的回文說目前只剩下少數縣市的補證資料從提案到今天已經半年過去目前的裁罰公告進度如何?可不可以請兩位做個回應?好,是的,我是不是...好,沒關係,看起來沒有掌握那我來告訴你部長、司長請繼續聽喔,來下一頁\n\n01:09.417 --> 01:18.442\n目前我們手上有幾個新聞光是這個查得到的新聞還不含沒有報出來的新聞在兒少法財閥專區依然一片空白\n\n01:19.913 --> 01:44.527\n為什麼會這樣?你們的說法告訴我說因為他要走司法流程他沒有司法流程走完他就沒有辦法被公告所以到他相關的判決完成前只要當事人這個加害者當事人他被解除羈押他就繼續在民間大搖大擺他可以開課他可以開班他可以用各式各樣的名義在民間收小孩進來上他的課\n\n01:46.048 --> 01:46.188\n登委員說明\n\n02:03.618 --> 02:31.569\n其實行政法跟這個刑事法是兩個病例我當然知道可是我一再來這裡所以你們要告訴我怎麼辦嗎如果我今天要幫我的小孩去報名一個外面的課程可是衛福部這個兒少財法專區卻告訴我說家長們不用擔心你到我們的網站上來可以查一查陳培瑜是不是加害曾經有加害的案例陳培瑜是不是...但是因為陳培瑜的案件還沒有走完那你們難道沒有做法可以做嗎如果按照你的說法我跟你分享下一個案例來下一頁\n\n02:32.729 --> 02:57.226\n凱凱案大家很心痛而且全臺灣都在矚目於是呢12月凱凱過世2024年3月新聞揭露很快的癥結起訴可是我要說要不是因為凱凱案有這麼高的關注度他的偵查起訴也不會這麼快於是你們才罰公告就很快有相關的案例可以讓我們去理解難道我們每一個孩子都要像凱凱一樣那麼慘加害人的名字才可以快速被看見嗎\n\n03:02.073 --> 03:03.914\n臺灣的家長對於我們政府沒有信心因為有非常非常多的案子\n\n03:31.482 --> 03:51.177\n一而再、一而再、再而三的就發生這個事情八月臺中六歲童遭虐捏脖子壓制者手全身傷施暴者是園長九月性侵竹北三個男童陽光國立大學生十月新竹三歲小孩昏厥送醫竟然是健身教練虐到睾丸發黑這些都是有上新聞\n\n03:51.897 --> 04:05.825\n而且就算上了新聞他一樣不會在財閥專區被公告更何況沒有上新聞我要再次請教衛福部你們自己可不可以有更積極的做法不要再用司法判決還沒有裁處判決出來\n\n04:07.746 --> 04:32.436\n自從這個委員關心特別是家外的不當對待希望能夠還有校外的不當對待這些事情對就是校外就是他們的關係不是主要照顧者這類的那我們現在都以岸管制那所以我們3個月都會定期去跟縣市做一些勾結核對3個月喔我們在自己跟縣市政府3個月會做定期的聯繫會議來做\n\n04:34.477 --> 04:34.677\n陳培瑜議員\n\n05:04.526 --> 05:30.218\n三個月這裡面的人如果再度做了什麼樣的壞事我們如何確保孩子的安全我覺得我們真的很難跟家長交代我們真的很難跟這些受害的小孩交代假設三個月你們真的也開成了會開成了會之後最後的決議一樣告訴我因為司法判決還沒有走完尚未定念所以他不能上兒少法裁罰專區被公告姓名那不就是回到原點了嗎\n\n05:31.238 --> 05:31.658\n行政調查的\n\n05:49.924 --> 05:52.647\n目前我們的行政規定原則上是4個月啦最長就是原則上就是說能夠超過的話就4個月因為這個4個月是按照這個性侵\n\n06:16.508 --> 06:29.789\n姓邵的這個相關法規規定的最長4個月所以難道好那所以你的意思是告訴我說如果在相關法規我們表定4個月那難道我們要回來談修法嗎那就又回到之前我已經問過兒少全法修法進途到底是什麼\n\n06:31.510 --> 06:31.550\n陳培瑜\n\n06:46.880 --> 06:46.920\n陳培瑜\n\n07:07.657 --> 07:25.812\n很難用啦齁但是我知道你們我看你們有誠意了你們知道把那個兒少法的部分跟幼教法加在一起讓家長可以快速查詢這個部分我要先快速給予肯定可是我相信整個系統整個平台都可以更加的好用然後讓家長一鍵查詢可是還是要回到兒少事件調查跟裁罰公告我認為應該要在一個月內告訴大家你們可以更積極的怎麼往下做而不是只有在告訴我們四個月法規範是四個月或者是三個月會開一次會議\n\n07:36.621 --> 07:39.784\n縣市都在調查中那如果他還沒有公告就表示他在進行中\n\n08:01.724 --> 08:18.273\n我想委員提的這個很重要,如果按照時程反不及急,我想我們來演繹看看有更快速的保護我們兒少的一定要第一時間就能夠保護,一定要用各種方法我們來努力\n\n08:19.394 --> 08:47.437\n好那我要再一次說我並不是說臺北市做得好其實臺北市那個案子要不是鬧得很大其實它也不會走這麼快我們實話實說所以我只是要告訴部長也告訴司長您齁我們目前遇到的困境就是這樣假設所有立委辦公室都會收到跟兒少陳情最大的破口可能就是我剛剛講的那件事情不管你們是因為三個月才開一次會還是相關的法規範說四個月才要再開一次會所有這些中間的空洞會讓這些犯法的\n\n08:47.577 --> 08:54.044\n大人一而再再而三繼續在民間流竄我要再次強調這些事情所以他可以不要進補習班\n\n08:55.885 --> 09:22.082\n因為補習班他有相關的法規範要去查詢他自己光是在網路上在任何的報名平台他就可以開班授課他取名叫烘魚老師叫什麼大頭魚老師然後過去他所有的東西都不會被查到然後他繼續招生授課然後繼續殘害我們的小孩我們真的不知道什麼時候會再一個悲傷的個案產生所以我要真的積極我一而再再而三每次來衛環委員會都在講這個題目要拜託\n\n09:23.513 --> 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