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00:02:06,198\n主要的資料會來自於交通部但有個問題就是說各支的部分會不會有影響到這個我們來研究一下如果在不影響的狀況底下我們來跟執法單位也好或者是所謂的ETC的ETEC有裝停車場的或者高速公路上面的我們來討論這個可能性\n\n7\n00:02:07,798 --> 00:02:29,779\n說今天有很多的車牌他可能有重複的我之前也聽過警界的朋友跟我講他講是說其實他們也有系統是針對假設這一個車牌號碼他出現在台北但是同時間也出現在高雄他就不可能說一個車牌號碼出現在兩個地方那就一定是有一個車牌是假的\n\n8\n00:02:30,279 --> 00:02:51,305\n那他就會把它列為是警示的號碼那一樣的道理嘛現在的做法其實有這樣做而且現在抓到的假車牌大部分就是這個樣子在高速公路上面跑的來那我們上一頁所以部長就應該不會存在說如果說他已經被扣管沒有監管然後他再買原車牌來趴趴走的問題啊\n\n9\n00:02:52,405 --> 00:03:10,803\n照理講你不應該出現這個狀況所以我只點出來因為假車牌方方面面包括說你們要講是說要新的車牌要防偽但是你只有明年上市的車牌防偽可是你現有的車牌沒有防偽那還是一樣沒有辦法控管到90%現有在市面上的車牌嗎\n\n10\n00:03:11,403 --> 00:03:34,574\n以及道路處罰條例我們是不是應該加重刑責是不是應該沒路車輛等等的我們都應該討論但我是說至少看到問題我們要來處理問題所以部長這可以研議什麼時候能夠告訴國人說你們有進一步的一個動作我們盡快跟執法單位來研議看未來的執法面時間會來研議看要怎麼樣讓它執法的落實更好那我們是不是兩個禮拜開個會可以吧\n\n11\n00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:59,625\n跟委員報告一下是不是給公務局一個月的時間因為跟這個委員報告這裡面包括跨機關包括這個一個月內研理相關的辦法用科技的方式來減輕我們警務同仁的一個業務量但是又能夠抓出來假車牌好嗎讓這個公務那個公路局他們趕快去找執法單位好跟警政署來協商開會好\n\n12\n00:04:00,985 --> 00:04:17,111\n路政司、公路局、高工局可能都需要好不好來再來請教部長有沒有注意到萬聖節要到了那今天早上北捷有個新聞啊他講說拒絕太暴露血腥恐怖者的服裝上大眾運輸工具\n\n13\n00:04:18,351 --> 00:04:37,752\n我覺得這個在其他民主國家也有類似我印象中日本然後韓國他幾個部分第一造成恐慌啊譬如說他如果說這個都滿臉是血啦什麼可能會讓人家誤會恐慌大眾運輸那有一些是他的衣服相對來講太暴露所以說北捷已經先喊了\n\n14\n00:04:38,712 --> 00:05:07,612\n說大眾運輸如果說萬聖節變裝的話太暴露血腥恐怖者要拒絕載那如果說你還硬要進來的話最高罰7500塊那我想請教交通部省委主管機關臺鐵、高鐵以及我們相關單位有沒有要做相關的一個不然有可能他從外縣市坐高鐵來臺北可以然後就下了轉成決定不行這樣也有點奇怪啊大眾運輸應該就是要一體啊\n\n15\n00:05:08,479 --> 00:05:35,170\n部長您的看法呢委員您提醒的這個我也覺得蠻重要的如果真的太過血腥或者太過暴露或者是大家看了會不舒服的畫面在萬聖節的過程有時候會發生那在公共運輸的運具上面也會造成大家的困擾尤其有時候在之前有發生過一些比較不幸的事件大家會害怕是的我覺得這個確實是應該要討論所以在高鐵跟台鐵的部分我會請他們來研究這個問題因為萬聖節要到了如果我印象沒錯應該是這禮拜嘛\n\n16\n00:05:36,551 --> 00:05:49,684\n是所以我們就趕快來研議這個問題而且可能還是要有一個標準不然的話我覺得上有政策下有對策到之後我們第一線的同仁可能也會很難認定到底你的標準是標準還是什麼部分是\n\n17\n00:05:50,424 --> 00:06:08,351\n大家認定的部分應該會差不多啦我們也會跟北捷來討論也參考北捷的經驗他的經驗跟他的標準因為現在北捷已經說了就是他要開罰巨債那其他的大眾運輸我也希望是說我們國家不要說一國多製的概念最後部長一分鐘啦\n\n18\n00:06:09,571 --> 00:06:26,645\n之前葉元智委員有質詢關於太阪輕軌那本席一方面泰山一方面葉元智委員是板橋所以他其實橫跨我跟葉元智委員的選區那我們也都非常的關心尤其我也知道新北市府他送了三次給我們鐵道局但是都被推薦\n\n19\n00:06:27,446 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«我國軌道建設執行概況》進二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長\n89929\t107210\t假車牌的狀況給揪出來部長您覺得勒我覺得這個方法是可以進入討論那這個部分我們也可以來跟這個執法單位現在執法單位是內政部警政署那這個部分我們來跟他們溝通ETC高速公路上面的ETC應該是廠商吧\n111312\t126198\t主要的資料會來自於交通部但有個問題就是說各支的部分會不會有影響到這個我們來研究一下如果在不影響的狀況底下我們來跟執法單位也好或者是所謂的ETC的ETEC有裝停車場的或者高速公路上面的我們來討論這個可能性\n127798\t149779\t說今天有很多的車牌他可能有重複的我之前也聽過警界的朋友跟我講他講是說其實他們也有系統是針對假設這一個車牌號碼他出現在台北但是同時間也出現在高雄他就不可能說一個車牌號碼出現在兩個地方那就一定是有一個車牌是假的\n150279\t171305\t那他就會把它列為是警示的號碼那一樣的道理嘛現在的做法其實有這樣做而且現在抓到的假車牌大部分就是這個樣子在高速公路上面跑的來 那我們上一頁所以部長就應該不會存在說如果說他已經被扣管沒有監管然後他再買原車牌來趴趴走的問題啊\n172405\t190803\t照理講你不應該出現這個狀況所以我只點出來因為假車牌方方面面包括說你們要講是說要新的車牌要防偽但是你只有明年上市的車牌防偽可是你現有的車牌沒有防偽那還是一樣沒有辦法控管到90%現有在市面上的車牌嗎\n191403\t214574\t以及道路處罰條例我們是不是應該加重刑責是不是應該沒路車輛等等的我們都應該討論但我是說至少看到問題我們要來處理問題所以部長這可以研議什麼時候能夠告訴國人說你們有進一步的一個動作我們盡快跟執法單位來研議看未來的執法面時間會來研議看要怎麼樣讓它執法的落實更好那我們是不是兩個禮拜開個會可以吧\n215760\t239625\t跟委員報告一下是不是給公務局一個月的時間因為跟這個委員報告這裡面包括跨機關包括這個一個月內研理相關的辦法用科技的方式來減輕我們警務同仁的一個業務量但是又能夠抓出來假車牌好嗎讓這個公務那個公路局他們趕快去找執法單位好跟警政署來協商開會好\n240985\t257111\t路政司、公路局、高工局可能都需要好不好來再來請教部長有沒有注意到萬聖節要到了那今天早上北捷有個新聞啊他講說拒絕太暴露血腥恐怖者的服裝上大眾運輸工具\n258351\t277752\t我覺得這個在其他民主國家也有類似我印象中日本然後韓國他幾個部分第一造成恐慌啊譬如說他如果說這個都滿臉是血啦什麼可能會讓人家誤會恐慌大眾運輸那有一些是他的衣服相對來講太暴露所以說北捷已經先喊了\n278712\t307612\t說大眾運輸如果說萬聖節變裝的話太暴露血腥恐怖者要拒絕載那如果說你還硬要進來的話最高罰7500塊那我想請教交通部省委主管機關臺鐵、高鐵以及我們相關單位有沒有要做相關的一個不然有可能他從外縣市坐高鐵來臺北可以然後就下了轉成決定不行這樣也有點奇怪啊大眾運輸應該就是要一體啊\n308479\t335170\t部長您的看法呢委員您提醒的這個我也覺得蠻重要的如果真的太過血腥或者太過暴露或者是大家看了會不舒服的畫面在萬聖節的過程有時候會發生那在公共運輸的運具上面也會造成大家的困擾尤其有時候在之前有發生過一些比較不幸的事件大家會害怕是的我覺得這個確實是應該要討論所以在高鐵跟台鐵的部分我會請他們來研究這個問題因為萬聖節要到了如果我印象沒錯應該是這禮拜嘛\n336551\t349684\t是所以我們就趕快來研議這個問題而且可能還是要有一個標準不然的話我覺得上有政策下有對策到之後我們第一線的同仁可能也會很難認定到底你的標準是標準還是什麼部分是\n350424\t368351\t大家認定的部分應該會差不多啦我們也會跟北捷來討論也參考北捷的經驗他的經驗跟他的標準因為現在北捷已經說了就是他要開罰巨債那其他的大眾運輸我也希望是說我們國家不要說一國多製的概念最後部長一分鐘啦\n369571\t386645\t之前葉元智委員有質詢關於太阪輕軌那本席一方面泰山一方面葉元智委員是板橋所以他其實橫跨我跟葉元智委員的選區那我們也都非常的關心尤其我也知道新北市府他送了三次給我們鐵道局但是都被推薦\n387446\t398914\t那你也承諾說一個月內會召集相關會議包括新北市政府共同來開會我覺得中央要嚴格把關沒有問題但是一次把問題講清楚比如說ABCDEFG讓\n401068\t420566\t執行單位他們一次把這些疑點釐清再送上來不要說今天講ABC送來然後我退回明天講CD送來我退回一次把它給釐清所以這一個月開會現在開會了嗎報告委員他們的報告還沒有送過來那上次葉元之委員講到現在應該一個月了嗎還沒到\n422948\t449333\t上一次議員之委員講是說你們一個月內找新北市府的共同來把那個疑點一次講我們已經在召開會議了我們已經在約集會議了已經約了是不是部長本期也拜託因為除了太阪輕軌被退三次以外巴黎輕軌也有被推薦還有我們包括本期選區裡面我們也希望能夠爭取林口歸山的這個跨縣市的輕軌\n450473\t468952\t那未來這是不是能夠都比照辦理相關的這種流程我要說要求的是鐵道局一次把疑點給釐清讓地方政府能夠去補相關的一個資料不要說這一次挑三個下一次挑四個那永遠都是在攻防往返啊\n469412\t470472\t二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長\n","txt":"主席謝謝麻煩請陳部長交通部陳部長部長好部長本席跟我們交委以及很多委員都很關心這個假車牌的事件尤其假車牌現在非常氾濫那今天又看到一個新的新聞他說扣牌沒有監管買原車牌假牌趴趴走\n這什麼樣的情況就是說他牌可能被扣了扣完之後他就直接上網去訂一樣的號碼那因為一樣的號碼如果說被警方查到的時候車型一樣這個車主行照什麼都一樣很有可能就被雲木混珠混過了那但是他其實是被扣牌的是所以這就變成是一個漏洞對\n好 那我們看其中這個媒體他就有下一頁其中媒體他就有去訪問他講說其實如果說我們現在全台灣有ETC也有很多的一個繳費的地方各縣市警局打擊犯罪也都有側排辨識的監視器系統\n二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長就 «我國軌道建設執行概況》進二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長\n假車牌的狀況給揪出來部長您覺得勒我覺得這個方法是可以進入討論那這個部分我們也可以來跟這個執法單位現在執法單位是內政部警政署那這個部分我們來跟他們溝通ETC高速公路上面的ETC應該是廠商吧\n主要的資料會來自於交通部但有個問題就是說各支的部分會不會有影響到這個我們來研究一下如果在不影響的狀況底下我們來跟執法單位也好或者是所謂的ETC的ETEC有裝停車場的或者高速公路上面的我們來討論這個可能性\n說今天有很多的車牌他可能有重複的我之前也聽過警界的朋友跟我講他講是說其實他們也有系統是針對假設這一個車牌號碼他出現在台北但是同時間也出現在高雄他就不可能說一個車牌號碼出現在兩個地方那就一定是有一個車牌是假的\n那他就會把它列為是警示的號碼那一樣的道理嘛現在的做法其實有這樣做而且現在抓到的假車牌大部分就是這個樣子在高速公路上面跑的來 那我們上一頁所以部長就應該不會存在說如果說他已經被扣管沒有監管然後他再買原車牌來趴趴走的問題啊\n照理講你不應該出現這個狀況所以我只點出來因為假車牌方方面面包括說你們要講是說要新的車牌要防偽但是你只有明年上市的車牌防偽可是你現有的車牌沒有防偽那還是一樣沒有辦法控管到90%現有在市面上的車牌嗎\n以及道路處罰條例我們是不是應該加重刑責是不是應該沒路車輛等等的我們都應該討論但我是說至少看到問題我們要來處理問題所以部長這可以研議什麼時候能夠告訴國人說你們有進一步的一個動作我們盡快跟執法單位來研議看未來的執法面時間會來研議看要怎麼樣讓它執法的落實更好那我們是不是兩個禮拜開個會可以吧\n跟委員報告一下是不是給公務局一個月的時間因為跟這個委員報告這裡面包括跨機關包括這個一個月內研理相關的辦法用科技的方式來減輕我們警務同仁的一個業務量但是又能夠抓出來假車牌好嗎讓這個公務那個公路局他們趕快去找執法單位好跟警政署來協商開會好\n路政司、公路局、高工局可能都需要好不好來再來請教部長有沒有注意到萬聖節要到了那今天早上北捷有個新聞啊他講說拒絕太暴露血腥恐怖者的服裝上大眾運輸工具\n我覺得這個在其他民主國家也有類似我印象中日本然後韓國他幾個部分第一造成恐慌啊譬如說他如果說這個都滿臉是血啦什麼可能會讓人家誤會恐慌大眾運輸那有一些是他的衣服相對來講太暴露所以說北捷已經先喊了\n說大眾運輸如果說萬聖節變裝的話太暴露血腥恐怖者要拒絕載那如果說你還硬要進來的話最高罰7500塊那我想請教交通部省委主管機關臺鐵、高鐵以及我們相關單位有沒有要做相關的一個不然有可能他從外縣市坐高鐵來臺北可以然後就下了轉成決定不行這樣也有點奇怪啊大眾運輸應該就是要一體啊\n部長您的看法呢委員您提醒的這個我也覺得蠻重要的如果真的太過血腥或者太過暴露或者是大家看了會不舒服的畫面在萬聖節的過程有時候會發生那在公共運輸的運具上面也會造成大家的困擾尤其有時候在之前有發生過一些比較不幸的事件大家會害怕是的我覺得這個確實是應該要討論所以在高鐵跟台鐵的部分我會請他們來研究這個問題因為萬聖節要到了如果我印象沒錯應該是這禮拜嘛\n是所以我們就趕快來研議這個問題而且可能還是要有一個標準不然的話我覺得上有政策下有對策到之後我們第一線的同仁可能也會很難認定到底你的標準是標準還是什麼部分是\n大家認定的部分應該會差不多啦我們也會跟北捷來討論也參考北捷的經驗他的經驗跟他的標準因為現在北捷已經說了就是他要開罰巨債那其他的大眾運輸我也希望是說我們國家不要說一國多製的概念最後部長一分鐘啦\n之前葉元智委員有質詢關於太阪輕軌那本席一方面泰山一方面葉元智委員是板橋所以他其實橫跨我跟葉元智委員的選區那我們也都非常的關心尤其我也知道新北市府他送了三次給我們鐵道局但是都被推薦\n那你也承諾說一個月內會召集相關會議包括新北市政府共同來開會我覺得中央要嚴格把關沒有問題但是一次把問題講清楚比如說ABCDEFG讓\n執行單位他們一次把這些疑點釐清再送上來不要說今天講ABC送來然後我退回明天講CD送來我退回一次把它給釐清所以這一個月開會現在開會了嗎報告委員他們的報告還沒有送過來那上次葉元之委員講到現在應該一個月了嗎還沒到\n上一次議員之委員講是說你們一個月內找新北市府的共同來把那個疑點一次講我們已經在召開會議了我們已經在約集會議了已經約了是不是部長本期也拜託因為除了太阪輕軌被退三次以外巴黎輕軌也有被推薦還有我們包括本期選區裡面我們也希望能夠爭取林口歸山的這個跨縣市的輕軌\n那未來這是不是能夠都比照辦理相關的這種流程我要說要求的是鐵道局一次把疑點給釐清讓地方政府能夠去補相關的一個資料不要說這一次挑三個下一次挑四個那永遠都是在攻防往返啊\n二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.518 --> 00:29.173\n主席謝謝麻煩請陳部長交通部陳部長部長好部長本席跟我們交委以及很多委員都很關心這個假車牌的事件尤其假車牌現在非常氾濫那今天又看到一個新的新聞他說扣牌沒有監管買原車牌假牌趴趴走\n\n00:30.343 --> 00:51.575\n這什麼樣的情況就是說他牌可能被扣了扣完之後他就直接上網去訂一樣的號碼那因為一樣的號碼如果說被警方查到的時候車型一樣這個車主行照什麼都一樣很有可能就被雲木混珠混過了那但是他其實是被扣牌的是所以這就變成是一個漏洞對\n\n00:52.535 --> 01:07.967\n好那我們看其中這個媒體他就有下一頁其中媒體他就有去訪問他講說其實如果說我們現在全台灣有ETC也有很多的一個繳費的地方各縣市警局打擊犯罪也都有側排辨識的監視器系統\n\n01:09.989 --> 01:11.890\n二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長就«我國軌道建設執行概況》進二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長\n\n01:29.929 --> 01:47.210\n假車牌的狀況給揪出來部長您覺得勒我覺得這個方法是可以進入討論那這個部分我們也可以來跟這個執法單位現在執法單位是內政部警政署那這個部分我們來跟他們溝通ETC高速公路上面的ETC應該是廠商吧\n\n01:51.312 --> 02:06.198\n主要的資料會來自於交通部但有個問題就是說各支的部分會不會有影響到這個我們來研究一下如果在不影響的狀況底下我們來跟執法單位也好或者是所謂的ETC的ETEC有裝停車場的或者高速公路上面的我們來討論這個可能性\n\n02:07.798 --> 02:29.779\n說今天有很多的車牌他可能有重複的我之前也聽過警界的朋友跟我講他講是說其實他們也有系統是針對假設這一個車牌號碼他出現在台北但是同時間也出現在高雄他就不可能說一個車牌號碼出現在兩個地方那就一定是有一個車牌是假的\n\n02:30.279 --> 02:51.305\n那他就會把它列為是警示的號碼那一樣的道理嘛現在的做法其實有這樣做而且現在抓到的假車牌大部分就是這個樣子在高速公路上面跑的來那我們上一頁所以部長就應該不會存在說如果說他已經被扣管沒有監管然後他再買原車牌來趴趴走的問題啊\n\n02:52.405 --> 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