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00:01:47,123\n主要是因為在還沒有更改歷史之前其中一個主管機關也是我們的教育部所以我質詢了很多次同樣的這個部分我要再來問一下下了這個表24當中包含公立醫療院所的各式的醫事人員另外也有包含公立學校但為什麼我要特別把公立學校的這個部分要圈起來再加一個問號是\n\n5\n00:01:48,804 --> 00:02:06,900\n我們校戶的部分很多人沒有都沒有特別注意到校戶但是我想要請教一下部長部長你知道現在校園喔光是自傷自殺這5年當中那個比例人數增加幾倍您知道這個數據嗎\n\n6\n00:02:09,175 --> 00:02:34,528\n沒關係回答5到10倍已經暴增了5到10倍前幾年是7倍現在是5到10倍也就是說校戶的工作繁重他們其實在面臨一個人要負責大概1000個學校的人員不管是自殺、自傷、被霸凌、傷害、受傷\n\n7\n00:02:35,669 --> 00:03:04,282\n其實校護人員大家認為他們的工作好像沒有醫護人員這麼的忙錯了我們看到很多的第一線在學校服務的校護人員他們面臨的身心上的壓力碰到孩子們從樓上掉下來之後他們的緊急的處理他們是第一線但往往因為人力的配置這也是另外一個問題我們回到教育部的質詢的時候我們再來好好討論但我現在想要知道的就是\n\n8\n00:03:05,523 --> 00:03:09,450\n醫事人員的加擠我們已經送行政院在爭取當中\n\n9\n00:03:10,834 --> 00:03:39,176\n公立學校的校護人員呢有沒有被毒漏啊到底他的主管機關是誰啊是衛福部今天在這個地方還是我們的教育部還是說只要掛上學校兩個字就變成是教育部我們因為兩位都在嘛我們是把這個主管機關的這個大家分配講好講清楚到底校護人員歸誰管我先報告一下因為我也擔任過台灣大學\n\n10\n00:03:40,543 --> 00:03:40,863\n教育部說法\n\n11\n00:04:09,602 --> 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