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00:00:10,034\n謝謝主席楊群發言邀請部長社會部嗎那個交通部交通部陳部長\n\n2\n00:00:20,629 --> 00:00:45,468\n部長好那省紀部呢日前他有發布了一個2023年臺鐵霧點的次數的一個統計有超過了143萬次那發生的這個發生率呢是達到了兩成多20.4%那所以在這樣的情況之下呢我們看到霧點機率甚至比2022年還要高\n\n3\n00:00:47,489 --> 00:00:50,350\n臺鐵路股份有限公司董事長陳世凱、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長\n\n4\n00:00:58,188 --> 00:01:20,544\n有高於50%所以顯現我們霧點偏高的情況是有需要做檢討的但是當提出了這樣子臺鐵是說部長您注意聽他是說現行國際標準為列車到達終點站要延誤5分鐘以內才被列為準點列車\n\n5\n00:01:22,165 --> 00:01:43,239\n但是省紀部以誤點延誤的超過一分鐘來計算所以如此的這樣的一個情況本需要請教部長也就是你認為我們臺鐵這樣的一個情況是不是我們應該要滾動式的檢討去改善它的誤點率請教\n\n6\n00:01:44,275 --> 00:02:04,296\n報告委員您所講的這個數據在我上任的第一天臺鐵就跟我說霧點綠的這個時間在國際上是算五分鐘那我第一個感受也會跟您一樣會覺得那也算五分鐘所以我也特別問了說有哪些國家是認定是五分鐘結果我問起來應該是大部分的國家都是絕大部分的國家都是以五分鐘作為霧點綠的計算所以會跟審計部的數字\n\n7\n00:02:06,758 --> 00:02:34,044\n有點不太一樣因為他們的目前今年的準點率如果扣掉天災的話應該有到97點多但委員跟你們報告我第一天上任搭臺鐵到台中那一天剛好延遲了5分鐘下車媒體們問的第一個問題就是說部長請問你搭的臺鐵那個延遲5分鐘你什麼感受那我就說嗯那個以他們給我的數據這還算在準點率裡面那天其實是4分鐘不是5分鐘\n\n8\n00:02:34,904 --> 00:03:04,198\n那還是算在準點率裡面但我覺得臺鐵還可以再加強因為現在大家搭高鐵搭得很習慣高鐵的時間非常的精準我希望它可以前進到跟高鐵一樣的水準部長還好你一個但還要再加強當然要還好你講這一句不然前面聽的我心驚驚因為我再要給你一個數字政府一直鼓勵我們再減碳那麼政府要鼓勵民眾搭乘這個大眾交通工具呢那推行T-pass\n\n9\n00:03:04,898 --> 00:03:31,018\n那政策上錄到現在我們大概有768.8萬人士在加值購買這個通勤月票對不對這是我們政府鼓勵人家的那如果污點那麼高機率那麼高那跟政府的美意他就要打折啦所以你剛才說的我們拿出這個議題民眾是希望讓他能夠便利能夠準時在這樣的一個情況之下我們還是有滾動式檢討\n\n10\n00:03:32,679 --> 00:03:38,264\n的空間,對不對?那你們去檢討好不好?那多久時間可以告訴本席呢?你們去檢討你們的方案,你給社會大眾知道你光是踢趴子的就有將近要800萬人,你要讓他們安心啊!好,你什麼時候可以告訴本席?多久時間告訴本席?你的方案怎麼去精準?\n\n11\n00:03:58,542 --> 00:04:02,703\n是我們我們沒關係你告訴我時間部長多久時間兩週內兩個禮拜內將我們怎麼樣霧點的距離降低怎麼樣這個時間可以整點的方案精進兩個禮拜內給本席以讓我們大眾運輸的這些乘客他都能夠放心這是政府應當要做的兩個禮拜那接下來本席要請教15歲少年那麼開車出車禍了\n\n12\n00:04:25,448 --> 00:04:36,639\n造成3個人死亡,讓各界引起關注,未成年無照駕駛數量平均每年有多少件?4.3萬件\n\n13\n00:04:40,402 --> 00:05:07,995\n那麼我們臺灣現有的罰則那麼僅有罰款、扣車牌那對於整個經濟條件的優異的犯罪者他的懲罰效果是非常的薄弱的而且發生這樣的事情引起社會的嘩然我相信部長你也非常的難過那難過之餘我們政府有什麼樣的因應方案每一年有四萬三千件這最近這五年來的一個統計\n\n14\n00:05:09,296 --> 00:05:27,644\n讓我們很憂心所以本席要請教如果以目前的處理方式他是這麼的薄弱那請教部長你是不是認同我國可以無照駕駛的這個法則有檢討的空間有沒有檢討的空間法則的部分在去年有加重過一次\n\n15\n00:05:27,984 --> 00:05:40,854\n好但是現在社會還希望他再繼續加重這個部分我們會繼續所以是不是有檢討的空間有有檢討的空間有檢討的空間然後接下來本席要具體跟你建議你應該可以參考日本的做法他加入什麼角質\n\n16\n00:05:44,879 --> 00:06:11,398\n輔導措施來降低無照駕駛的發生率這個非常重要因為你再怎麼樣提高它還是發生所以在這樣的情況之下你必須要加入其他的元素參考其他世界各國本局具體建議我提出的是日本的方式加入了角質跟輔導措施預防重瘀治療去告訴他們無照你不能開車那麼其他國家還有其他的方式\n\n17\n00:06:11,858 --> 00:06:29,489\n你是不是成立一個專案將世界各國無照駕駛的方案怎麼去要去圍堵罰車也好那麼你去做一個專案好嗎這個非常重要多久時間可以告訴我們四位大眾我們來研究一下各國的方案那你剛才多久時間可以告訴本席\n\n18\n00:06:30,205 --> 00:06:50,817\n一個月的時間好不好一個月內你將世界各國我就已經提出日本給你做參考他們甚至連綠房都加入了我們必須要如此做就正如你說的我們去年提高他還是一樣這樣子生命誠可貴這不行的好不好一個月內提出這個監禁方案最後一個議題大客車國道大型車的事故頻繁\n\n19\n00:06:55,200 --> 00:07:11,488\n他不只是生命安全的一個風險他也是財產的一個損失那麼受影響在國道上面車流也會增加我們的社會成本我們經常一整排又停在那邊動彈不擇在這樣的情況之下本席給你數字\n\n20\n00:07:12,728 --> 00:07:32,129\n截至今年10月17日開始,我們國道已經發生54件死亡的車禍,大型載重車如大貨車、連結車17件。它的佔比是32%,造勢原因是什麼?分心疲勞駕駛,有11件耶!它這樣子的一個分心疲勞駕駛是佔了65%!\n\n21\n00:07:35,592 --> 00:07:50,991\n部長你看到這個數字心驚膽跳啊所以在這樣的一個情況之下本市長要請教你交通部應該具體的去有對策來降低我們國道的這個事故你要怎麼做啊\n\n22\n00:07:51,611 --> 00:08:19,953\n針對這個議題我們最近也有關注到所以我們有特別請高工局跟公路局針對大型車輛的這個運行的過程當中在監理的手段我們可以做什麼樣的工作可以來減少這樣的可能性發生所以目前已經正在討論當中尤其分心疲勞駕駛這一點非常重要佔了65%所以你就精進這個方案也是給社會大眾了解那多久時間可以告訴本席呢\n\n23\n00:08:20,756 --> 00:08:21,620\n一個月時間一樣一個月齁那加油謝謝謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4118\t10034\t謝謝主席 楊群發言 邀請部長社會部嗎那個交通部交通部陳部長\n20629\t45468\t部長好那省紀部呢日前他有發布了一個2023年臺鐵霧點的次數的一個統計有超過了143萬次那發生的這個發生率呢是達到了兩成多20.4%那所以在這樣的情況之下呢我們看到霧點機率甚至比2022年還要高\n47489\t50350\t臺鐵路股份有限公司董事長陳世凱、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長\n58188\t80544\t有高於50%所以顯現我們霧點偏高的情況是有需要做檢討的但是當提出了這樣子臺鐵是說部長您注意聽他是說現行國際標準為列車到達終點站要延誤5分鐘以內才被列為準點列車\n82165\t103239\t但是省紀部以誤點延誤的超過一分鐘來計算所以如此的這樣的一個情況本需要請教部長也就是你認為我們臺鐵這樣的一個情況是不是我們應該要滾動式的檢討去改善它的誤點率請教\n104275\t124296\t報告委員您所講的這個數據在我上任的第一天臺鐵就跟我說霧點綠的這個時間在國際上是算五分鐘那我第一個感受也會跟您一樣會覺得那也算五分鐘所以我也特別問了說有哪些國家是認定是五分鐘結果我問起來應該是大部分的國家都是絕大部分的國家都是以五分鐘作為霧點綠的計算所以會跟審計部的數字\n126758\t154044\t有點不太一樣因為他們的目前今年的準點率如果扣掉天災的話應該有到97點多但委員跟你們報告我第一天上任搭臺鐵到台中那一天剛好延遲了5分鐘下車媒體們問的第一個問題就是說部長請問你搭的臺鐵那個延遲5分鐘你什麼感受那我就說嗯那個以他們給我的數據這還算在準點率裡面那天其實是4分鐘不是5分鐘\n154904\t184198\t那還是算在準點率裡面但我覺得臺鐵還可以再加強因為現在大家搭高鐵搭得很習慣高鐵的時間非常的精準我希望它可以前進到跟高鐵一樣的水準部長還好你一個但還要再加強當然要還好你講這一句不然前面聽的我心驚驚因為我再要給你一個數字政府一直鼓勵我們再減碳那麼政府要鼓勵民眾搭乘這個大眾交通工具呢那推行T-pass\n184898\t211018\t那政策上錄到現在我們大概有768.8萬人士在加值購買這個通勤月票對不對這是我們政府鼓勵人家的那如果污點那麼高機率那麼高那跟政府的美意他就要打折啦所以你剛才說的我們拿出這個議題民眾是希望讓他能夠便利能夠準時在這樣的一個情況之下我們還是有滾動式檢討\n212679\t218264\t的空間,對不對?那你們去檢討好不好?那多久時間可以告訴本席呢?你們去檢討你們的方案,你給社會大眾知道你光是踢趴子的就有將近要800萬人,你要讓他們安心啊!好,你什麼時候可以告訴本席?多久時間告訴本席?你的方案怎麼去精準?\n238542\t242703\t是我們我們沒關係你告訴我時間部長多久時間兩週內兩個禮拜內將我們怎麼樣霧點的距離降低怎麼樣這個時間可以整點的方案精進兩個禮拜內給本席以讓我們大眾運輸的這些乘客他都能夠放心這是政府應當要做的兩個禮拜那接下來本席要請教15歲少年那麼開車出車禍了\n265448\t276639\t造成3個人死亡,讓各界引起關注,未成年無照駕駛數量平均每年有多少件?4.3萬件\n280402\t307995\t那麼我們臺灣現有的罰則那麼僅有罰款、扣車牌那對於整個經濟條件的優異的犯罪者他的懲罰效果是非常的薄弱的而且發生這樣的事情引起社會的嘩然我相信部長你也非常的難過那難過之餘我們政府有什麼樣的因應方案每一年有四萬三千件這最近這五年來的一個統計\n309296\t327644\t讓我們很憂心所以本席要請教如果以目前的處理方式他是這麼的薄弱那請教部長你是不是認同我國可以無照駕駛的這個法則有檢討的空間有沒有檢討的空間法則的部分在去年有加重過一次\n327984\t340854\t好 但是現在社會還希望他再繼續加重這個部分我們會繼續所以是不是有檢討的空間有 有檢討的空間有檢討的空間然後接下來本席要具體跟你建議你應該可以參考日本的做法他加入什麼角質\n344879\t371398\t輔導措施來降低無照駕駛的發生率這個非常重要因為你再怎麼樣提高它還是發生所以在這樣的情況之下你必須要加入其他的元素參考其他世界各國本局具體建議我提出的是日本的方式加入了角質跟輔導措施預防重瘀治療去告訴他們無照你不能開車那麼其他國家還有其他的方式\n371858\t389489\t你是不是成立一個專案將世界各國無照駕駛的方案怎麼去要去圍堵罰車也好那麼你去做一個專案好嗎這個非常重要多久時間可以告訴我們四位大眾我們來研究一下各國的方案那你剛才多久時間可以告訴本席\n390205\t410817\t一個月的時間好不好一個月內你將世界各國我就已經提出日本給你做參考他們甚至連綠房都加入了我們必須要如此做就正如你說的我們去年提高他還是一樣這樣子生命誠可貴這不行的好不好一個月內提出這個監禁方案最後一個議題大客車國道大型車的事故頻繁\n415200\t431488\t他不只是生命安全的一個風險他也是財產的一個損失那麼受影響在國道上面車流也會增加我們的社會成本我們經常一整排又停在那邊動彈不擇在這樣的情況之下本席給你數字\n432728\t452129\t截至今年10月17日開始,我們國道已經發生54件死亡的車禍,大型載重車如大貨車、連結車17件。它的佔比是32%,造勢原因是什麼?分心疲勞駕駛,有11件耶!它這樣子的一個分心疲勞駕駛是佔了65%!\n455592\t470991\t部長你看到這個數字心驚膽跳啊所以在這樣的一個情況之下本市長要請教你交通部應該具體的去有對策來降低我們國道的這個事故你要怎麼做啊\n471611\t499953\t針對這個議題我們最近也有關注到所以我們有特別請高工局跟公路局針對大型車輛的這個運行的過程當中在監理的手段我們可以做什麼樣的工作可以來減少這樣的可能性發生所以目前已經正在討論當中尤其分心疲勞駕駛這一點非常重要佔了65%所以你就精進這個方案也是給社會大眾了解那多久時間可以告訴本席呢\n500756\t501620\t一個月時間一樣一個月齁那加油謝謝謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 楊群發言 邀請部長社會部嗎那個交通部交通部陳部長\n部長好那省紀部呢日前他有發布了一個2023年臺鐵霧點的次數的一個統計有超過了143萬次那發生的這個發生率呢是達到了兩成多20.4%那所以在這樣的情況之下呢我們看到霧點機率甚至比2022年還要高\n臺鐵路股份有限公司董事長陳世凱、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長\n有高於50%所以顯現我們霧點偏高的情況是有需要做檢討的但是當提出了這樣子臺鐵是說部長您注意聽他是說現行國際標準為列車到達終點站要延誤5分鐘以內才被列為準點列車\n但是省紀部以誤點延誤的超過一分鐘來計算所以如此的這樣的一個情況本需要請教部長也就是你認為我們臺鐵這樣的一個情況是不是我們應該要滾動式的檢討去改善它的誤點率請教\n報告委員您所講的這個數據在我上任的第一天臺鐵就跟我說霧點綠的這個時間在國際上是算五分鐘那我第一個感受也會跟您一樣會覺得那也算五分鐘所以我也特別問了說有哪些國家是認定是五分鐘結果我問起來應該是大部分的國家都是絕大部分的國家都是以五分鐘作為霧點綠的計算所以會跟審計部的數字\n有點不太一樣因為他們的目前今年的準點率如果扣掉天災的話應該有到97點多但委員跟你們報告我第一天上任搭臺鐵到台中那一天剛好延遲了5分鐘下車媒體們問的第一個問題就是說部長請問你搭的臺鐵那個延遲5分鐘你什麼感受那我就說嗯那個以他們給我的數據這還算在準點率裡面那天其實是4分鐘不是5分鐘\n那還是算在準點率裡面但我覺得臺鐵還可以再加強因為現在大家搭高鐵搭得很習慣高鐵的時間非常的精準我希望它可以前進到跟高鐵一樣的水準部長還好你一個但還要再加強當然要還好你講這一句不然前面聽的我心驚驚因為我再要給你一個數字政府一直鼓勵我們再減碳那麼政府要鼓勵民眾搭乘這個大眾交通工具呢那推行T-pass\n那政策上錄到現在我們大概有768.8萬人士在加值購買這個通勤月票對不對這是我們政府鼓勵人家的那如果污點那麼高機率那麼高那跟政府的美意他就要打折啦所以你剛才說的我們拿出這個議題民眾是希望讓他能夠便利能夠準時在這樣的一個情況之下我們還是有滾動式檢討\n的空間,對不對?那你們去檢討好不好?那多久時間可以告訴本席呢?你們去檢討你們的方案,你給社會大眾知道你光是踢趴子的就有將近要800萬人,你要讓他們安心啊!好,你什麼時候可以告訴本席?多久時間告訴本席?你的方案怎麼去精準?\n是我們我們沒關係你告訴我時間部長多久時間兩週內兩個禮拜內將我們怎麼樣霧點的距離降低怎麼樣這個時間可以整點的方案精進兩個禮拜內給本席以讓我們大眾運輸的這些乘客他都能夠放心這是政府應當要做的兩個禮拜那接下來本席要請教15歲少年那麼開車出車禍了\n造成3個人死亡,讓各界引起關注,未成年無照駕駛數量平均每年有多少件?4.3萬件\n那麼我們臺灣現有的罰則那麼僅有罰款、扣車牌那對於整個經濟條件的優異的犯罪者他的懲罰效果是非常的薄弱的而且發生這樣的事情引起社會的嘩然我相信部長你也非常的難過那難過之餘我們政府有什麼樣的因應方案每一年有四萬三千件這最近這五年來的一個統計\n讓我們很憂心所以本席要請教如果以目前的處理方式他是這麼的薄弱那請教部長你是不是認同我國可以無照駕駛的這個法則有檢討的空間有沒有檢討的空間法則的部分在去年有加重過一次\n好 但是現在社會還希望他再繼續加重這個部分我們會繼續所以是不是有檢討的空間有 有檢討的空間有檢討的空間然後接下來本席要具體跟你建議你應該可以參考日本的做法他加入什麼角質\n輔導措施來降低無照駕駛的發生率這個非常重要因為你再怎麼樣提高它還是發生所以在這樣的情況之下你必須要加入其他的元素參考其他世界各國本局具體建議我提出的是日本的方式加入了角質跟輔導措施預防重瘀治療去告訴他們無照你不能開車那麼其他國家還有其他的方式\n你是不是成立一個專案將世界各國無照駕駛的方案怎麼去要去圍堵罰車也好那麼你去做一個專案好嗎這個非常重要多久時間可以告訴我們四位大眾我們來研究一下各國的方案那你剛才多久時間可以告訴本席\n一個月的時間好不好一個月內你將世界各國我就已經提出日本給你做參考他們甚至連綠房都加入了我們必須要如此做就正如你說的我們去年提高他還是一樣這樣子生命誠可貴這不行的好不好一個月內提出這個監禁方案最後一個議題大客車國道大型車的事故頻繁\n他不只是生命安全的一個風險他也是財產的一個損失那麼受影響在國道上面車流也會增加我們的社會成本我們經常一整排又停在那邊動彈不擇在這樣的情況之下本席給你數字\n截至今年10月17日開始,我們國道已經發生54件死亡的車禍,大型載重車如大貨車、連結車17件。它的佔比是32%,造勢原因是什麼?分心疲勞駕駛,有11件耶!它這樣子的一個分心疲勞駕駛是佔了65%!\n部長你看到這個數字心驚膽跳啊所以在這樣的一個情況之下本市長要請教你交通部應該具體的去有對策來降低我們國道的這個事故你要怎麼做啊\n針對這個議題我們最近也有關注到所以我們有特別請高工局跟公路局針對大型車輛的這個運行的過程當中在監理的手段我們可以做什麼樣的工作可以來減少這樣的可能性發生所以目前已經正在討論當中尤其分心疲勞駕駛這一點非常重要佔了65%所以你就精進這個方案也是給社會大眾了解那多久時間可以告訴本席呢\n一個月時間一樣一個月齁那加油謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.118 --> 00:10.034\n謝謝主席楊群發言邀請部長社會部嗎那個交通部交通部陳部長\n\n00:20.629 --> 00:45.468\n部長好那省紀部呢日前他有發布了一個2023年臺鐵霧點的次數的一個統計有超過了143萬次那發生的這個發生率呢是達到了兩成多20.4%那所以在這樣的情況之下呢我們看到霧點機率甚至比2022年還要高\n\n00:47.489 --> 00:50.350\n臺鐵路股份有限公司董事長陳世凱、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長\n\n00:58.188 --> 01:20.544\n有高於50%所以顯現我們霧點偏高的情況是有需要做檢討的但是當提出了這樣子臺鐵是說部長您注意聽他是說現行國際標準為列車到達終點站要延誤5分鐘以內才被列為準點列車\n\n01:22.165 --> 01:43.239\n但是省紀部以誤點延誤的超過一分鐘來計算所以如此的這樣的一個情況本需要請教部長也就是你認為我們臺鐵這樣的一個情況是不是我們應該要滾動式的檢討去改善它的誤點率請教\n\n01:44.275 --> 02:04.296\n報告委員您所講的這個數據在我上任的第一天臺鐵就跟我說霧點綠的這個時間在國際上是算五分鐘那我第一個感受也會跟您一樣會覺得那也算五分鐘所以我也特別問了說有哪些國家是認定是五分鐘結果我問起來應該是大部分的國家都是絕大部分的國家都是以五分鐘作為霧點綠的計算所以會跟審計部的數字\n\n02:06.758 --> 02:34.044\n有點不太一樣因為他們的目前今年的準點率如果扣掉天災的話應該有到97點多但委員跟你們報告我第一天上任搭臺鐵到台中那一天剛好延遲了5分鐘下車媒體們問的第一個問題就是說部長請問你搭的臺鐵那個延遲5分鐘你什麼感受那我就說嗯那個以他們給我的數據這還算在準點率裡面那天其實是4分鐘不是5分鐘\n\n02:34.904 --> 03:04.198\n那還是算在準點率裡面但我覺得臺鐵還可以再加強因為現在大家搭高鐵搭得很習慣高鐵的時間非常的精準我希望它可以前進到跟高鐵一樣的水準部長還好你一個但還要再加強當然要還好你講這一句不然前面聽的我心驚驚因為我再要給你一個數字政府一直鼓勵我們再減碳那麼政府要鼓勵民眾搭乘這個大眾交通工具呢那推行T-pass\n\n03:04.898 --> 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邀請部長社會部嗎那個交通部交通部陳部長"},{"start":20.629,"end":45.468,"text":"部長好那省紀部呢日前他有發布了一個2023年臺鐵霧點的次數的一個統計有超過了143萬次那發生的這個發生率呢是達到了兩成多20.4%那所以在這樣的情況之下呢我們看到霧點機率甚至比2022年還要高"},{"start":47.489,"end":50.35,"text":"臺鐵路股份有限公司董事長陳世凱、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長"},{"start":58.188,"end":80.544,"text":"有高於50%所以顯現我們霧點偏高的情況是有需要做檢討的但是當提出了這樣子臺鐵是說部長您注意聽他是說現行國際標準為列車到達終點站要延誤5分鐘以內才被列為準點列車"},{"start":82.165,"end":103.239,"text":"但是省紀部以誤點延誤的超過一分鐘來計算所以如此的這樣的一個情況本需要請教部長也就是你認為我們臺鐵這樣的一個情況是不是我們應該要滾動式的檢討去改善它的誤點率請教"},{"start":104.275,"end":124.296,"text":"報告委員您所講的這個數據在我上任的第一天臺鐵就跟我說霧點綠的這個時間在國際上是算五分鐘那我第一個感受也會跟您一樣會覺得那也算五分鐘所以我也特別問了說有哪些國家是認定是五分鐘結果我問起來應該是大部分的國家都是絕大部分的國家都是以五分鐘作為霧點綠的計算所以會跟審計部的數字"},{"start":126.758,"end":154.044,"text":"有點不太一樣因為他們的目前今年的準點率如果扣掉天災的話應該有到97點多但委員跟你們報告我第一天上任搭臺鐵到台中那一天剛好延遲了5分鐘下車媒體們問的第一個問題就是說部長請問你搭的臺鐵那個延遲5分鐘你什麼感受那我就說嗯那個以他們給我的數據這還算在準點率裡面那天其實是4分鐘不是5分鐘"},{"start":154.904,"end":184.198,"text":"那還是算在準點率裡面但我覺得臺鐵還可以再加強因為現在大家搭高鐵搭得很習慣高鐵的時間非常的精準我希望它可以前進到跟高鐵一樣的水準部長還好你一個但還要再加強當然要還好你講這一句不然前面聽的我心驚驚因為我再要給你一個數字政府一直鼓勵我們再減碳那麼政府要鼓勵民眾搭乘這個大眾交通工具呢那推行T-pass"},{"start":184.898,"end":211.018,"text":"那政策上錄到現在我們大概有768.8萬人士在加值購買這個通勤月票對不對這是我們政府鼓勵人家的那如果污點那麼高機率那麼高那跟政府的美意他就要打折啦所以你剛才說的我們拿出這個議題民眾是希望讓他能夠便利能夠準時在這樣的一個情況之下我們還是有滾動式檢討"},{"start":212.679,"end":218.264,"text":"的空間,對不對?那你們去檢討好不好?那多久時間可以告訴本席呢?你們去檢討你們的方案,你給社會大眾知道你光是踢趴子的就有將近要800萬人,你要讓他們安心啊!好,你什麼時候可以告訴本席?多久時間告訴本席?你的方案怎麼去精準?"},{"start":238.542,"end":242.703,"text":"是我們我們沒關係你告訴我時間部長多久時間兩週內兩個禮拜內將我們怎麼樣霧點的距離降低怎麼樣這個時間可以整點的方案精進兩個禮拜內給本席以讓我們大眾運輸的這些乘客他都能夠放心這是政府應當要做的兩個禮拜那接下來本席要請教15歲少年那麼開車出車禍了"},{"start":265.448,"end":276.639,"text":"造成3個人死亡,讓各界引起關注,未成年無照駕駛數量平均每年有多少件?4.3萬件"},{"start":280.402,"end":307.995,"text":"那麼我們臺灣現有的罰則那麼僅有罰款、扣車牌那對於整個經濟條件的優異的犯罪者他的懲罰效果是非常的薄弱的而且發生這樣的事情引起社會的嘩然我相信部長你也非常的難過那難過之餘我們政府有什麼樣的因應方案每一年有四萬三千件這最近這五年來的一個統計"},{"start":309.296,"end":327.644,"text":"讓我們很憂心所以本席要請教如果以目前的處理方式他是這麼的薄弱那請教部長你是不是認同我國可以無照駕駛的這個法則有檢討的空間有沒有檢討的空間法則的部分在去年有加重過一次"},{"start":327.984,"end":340.854,"text":"好 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