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00:01:59,833\n我特別提到是在鄭前部長的時候就已經到這個地方來了我們特別邀鄭部長現在鄭副院長到這個地方那林前部長也到這個地方他這個地方確實絕對有達到讓臺鐵在整個歷史建物\n\n7\n00:02:22,717 --> 00:02:43,603\n在整個這個文化資產的一個維護裡面然後進而把它變成一個亮點那甚至後來林前部長在另外王前部長也都有在到這個地方我們希望這個地方串聯整個倉庫的這個整修甚至可以變成一個鐵道文化園區\n\n8\n00:02:46,404 --> 00:03:07,938\n圖顯整個臺鐵對這個地方的重視而且它不只倉庫聯動的倉庫不只這個舊站體還有一個新站體嘛對不對然後周遭還有蠻多是臺鐵的土地所以這個地方要變成一個臺鐵的這個陡嵐的鐵道文化園區文化部也支持那我們臺鐵局現在的第一步的作為是什麼\n\n9\n00:03:09,784 --> 00:03:33,640\n郭委員報告據我的了解現在除了我們這個斗南那個舊站的整修以外其實周遭包括剛剛委員講的倉庫還有一些土地現在應該比較多是屬於那個市政府縣政府的縣政府的所以要成立一個比較大範圍的那個文化園區的一個規劃這個我們應該要跟縣政府一起\n\n10\n00:03:37,803 --> 00:03:52,723\n努力啦呃沒關係啦呃就規劃的方面董事長董事長規劃的方面好那那到底規劃的第一步有踏出去了嗎也也不然不然就這麼講嘛齁你們的第一步是什麼就簡單明確答我就好了嘿\n\n11\n00:03:54,203 --> 00:04:17,330\n這第一步的話當然是要去規劃一下他的範圍阿有了嗎有規劃了嗎還沒有目前還沒有對就從政前部長現在政務院長一直到林建永部長一直到王國采部長聯合國際部長都有去我記得當時杜局長也有去過對不對我們最後那個地方是屬於你們台砥局的\n\n12\n00:04:18,157 --> 00:04:44,211\n我們利用走到那一個樓上新站的二樓看過去的那個很大倉庫那也是台鐵局的右邊的土地也是台鐵局的火車站的正對面好像寶雅珠的那塊周遭的土地也都是台鐵局的那個腹地何其之大對那我們經歷過一個文化部長兩個前部長你們到現在規劃的地步都還沒有\n\n13\n00:04:45,752 --> 00:05:05,655\n好,這個跟委員報告,這個我回去再趕快我們來進行我們的一個研議啦好了,辦公局長一個月內給我們一個第一步的計畫好不好第一步,我只要求第一步的計畫,就跨出去的計畫就好初步的一個評估的一個做法啦,設想一個月內嘛,可以吧\n\n14\n00:05:06,536 --> 00:05:23,558\n那就代表剛剛杜董事長在答覆村委員的就確實你在這個地方有做調整我相信臺鐵今天要高鐵啦齁要跟高鐵讓消費者有所區別啦齁坦白講臺鐵一定要利用這些文資啦這些文資利用得越精緻啦越到位啦\n\n15\n00:05:24,857 --> 00:05:25,418\n臺鐵越花光花熱\n\n16\n00:05:42,067 --> 00:06:02,407\n謝謝陳部長這個我們交通部署有報告是這樣臺鐵建設三輪分別110年有5次、113年有3次重大的形成事故那113年一般事故平均42件一場事件平均發生是600餘件那脫落起來就是一般加一場就是642件坦白講平均一天就1.75的事故\n\n17\n00:06:05,470 --> 00:06:21,058\n我部長部長對這大大小小事故要怎麼如何進行這個檢討這個數字確實是國人看起來不會很滿意所以今天的報告的第一個重點就是說確保安全的部分要先做好第二才是提升服務品質的部分\n\n18\n00:06:21,738 --> 00:06:36,555\n所以這個部分其實我看臺鐵有相當多的計畫在處理安全的這個議題那不過我認為橫向的聯繫跟橫向的這個討論可能還不太足夠那這個部分我們正在整合當中安全的部分很多的計畫\n\n19\n00:06:37,176 --> 00:06:38,557\n二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長就\n\n20\n00:06:59,784 --> 00:07:15,731\n大致上的規律我也沒有說部長要在這邊討論但部長知道今年的1月到7月這個一般加異常事故已經累積幾件了部長知道嗎委員您上面有寫551件551件你看他到1到7月就已經551件現在已經10月了我們手上沒有89的資料顯然已經超越112年的沒錯\n\n21\n00:07:27,516 --> 00:07:55,223\n這個這個是很大的問題啦我們認為它的穩定性確實是要加強尤其在公司化之後我們是希望公司化之後效率要提升那如果公司化之後效率又更低那當然是不好那幾個方面要處理啦一方面就是我剛剛在講的那些計畫要好好的進行第二其實我有發現說臺鐵在近一兩年裡面人才的流失是個問題所以這個部分我們也正在努力留才的部分怎麼樣讓他的薪資能提高怎麼樣讓他的工作環境能夠更好\n\n22\n00:07:55,943 --> 00:08:23,709\n讓人才能夠留下來因為臺鐵很多都是技術面的問題那如果人才流動得很快速的話其實對於技術面的保留是不好的所以部長知道這個事情就是一個核心的問題連監察院都有針對臺鐵安全改革執行的這個審核通知事項有去揭露三缺嘛我們臺鐵有三缺嘛對不對這三缺很清楚缺信心缺人力缺法制然後我知道目前為止借領退休有200多位\n\n23\n00:08:24,989 --> 00:08:52,757\n然後特考上的因故位卻則有100幾位這補不進來補不到位然後到時候可能會面臨將近2000餘人的空缺跟委員報告不是這樣的不是這樣我們估計從公司成立一直到今年的年底我們大約會有包含那個在1月1號優退的包含那個我們在今年的年底大概會有15\n\n24\n00:08:53,877 --> 00:09:10,350\n一、五、四、三人來調走或者是退休或者就是離開但是我們從去年的特考一直延續到今年的從業人員考試我們一共禁用了一、六、二、三人\n\n25\n00:09:11,050 --> 00:09:29,292\n所以人力上是夠的而且我們在年底之前我們還會再禁用722人人力上確定是夠的所以監察院的報告是有問題但是剛剛有一個重點就是新進來的人我們要怎麼樣能夠讓他要留得住\n\n26\n00:09:29,813 --> 00:09:30,614\n臺鐵的員工都很辛苦\n\n27\n00:09:45,664 --> 00:10:05,759\n董事長就是有義務要照顧好他們對不對所以這個缺信心在經常會報告裡面放在第一項這是很恐怖一件事情是不是這些事情我們也不希望一般加那個異常事故會再一直的往上提升改制之後反而說還比去年還更多這個是不是請部長這邊折騰一個月內一個檢討修正的報告給我們做參考好不好好謝謝謝謝部長謝謝董事長謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3039\t21797\t好 謝謝主席剛剛聽陳委員在這個垂詢杜董事長聽來還蠻高興的就臺鐵的文資嘛那我就先請杜董事長部長你先休息一下那也請部長聽聽我跟杜董事長的這樣的相關的這樣一個討論\n25260\t51760\t我等於說臺鐵舉辦臺鐵公司之後董事長有在文資這一塊確實有做了一個蠻大幅度的調整來招聘更多的這些更專業更好的這些人才來針對臺鐵相關的文資保安歷史建物來做這樣的一個處理嘛對不對那當然還是要文化部來做協助嘛那我再請教一下那我現在有看到這個古蹟台南站在修繕臺鐵是預計要11月底絕標嘛\n54442\t66069\t那個11月底絕標是臺南市政府的文資局他協助我們做現況調查的也有臺南市政府、地方政府去協助你們做現況的調查、做結報對不對那斗蘭、歷史進入斗蘭火車站\n76875\t85526\t我要提醒我要提醒董事長齁這個是鄭前部長現在的鄭副院長林前部長齁家榮兄都有到的地方\n86980\t110789\t是對那個跟委員報告齁斗南委員剛剛提到的是那個舊站是啊那是舊站啊現在就不用修了我們現在齁有有編列那個修復的經費了我們預計在七千萬七千萬嗎對我們預計在明年的四月明年四月對來公告發包公告發包所以你們系社什麼時候完成\n115572\t119833\t我特別提到是在鄭前部長的時候就已經到這個地方來了我們特別邀鄭部長現在鄭副院長到這個地方那林前部長也到這個地方他這個地方確實絕對有達到讓臺鐵在整個歷史建物\n142717\t163603\t在整個這個文化資產的一個維護裡面然後進而把它變成一個亮點那甚至後來林前部長在另外王前部長也都有在到這個地方我們希望這個地方串聯整個倉庫的這個整修甚至可以變成一個鐵道文化園區\n166404\t187938\t圖顯整個臺鐵對這個地方的重視而且它不只倉庫聯動的倉庫不只這個舊站體還有一個新站體嘛對不對然後周遭還有蠻多是臺鐵的土地所以這個地方要變成一個臺鐵的這個陡嵐的鐵道文化園區文化部也支持那我們臺鐵局現在的第一步的作為是什麼\n189784\t213640\t郭委員報告據我的了解現在除了我們這個斗南那個舊站的整修以外其實周遭包括剛剛委員講的倉庫還有一些土地現在應該比較多是屬於那個市政府縣政府的縣政府的所以要成立一個比較大範圍的那個文化園區的一個規劃這個我們應該要跟縣政府一起\n217803\t232723\t努力啦呃 沒關係啦呃 就規劃的方面 董事長 董事長 規劃的方面好 那 那到底規劃的第一步有踏出去了嗎也 也 不然 不然就這麼講嘛齁你們的第一步是什麼 就簡單 明確答我就好了嘿\n234203\t257330\t這第一步的話當然是要去規劃一下他的範圍阿有了嗎 有規劃了嗎還沒有 目前還沒有對 就從政前部長現在政務院長一直到林建永部長一直到王國采部長聯合國際部長都有去我記得當時杜局長也有去過 對不對我們最後那個地方是屬於你們台砥局的\n258157\t284211\t我們利用走到那一個樓上新站的二樓看過去的那個很大倉庫那也是台鐵局的右邊的土地也是台鐵局的火車站的正對面好像寶雅珠的那塊周遭的土地也都是台鐵局的那個腹地何其之大對 那我們經歷過一個文化部長兩個前部長你們到現在規劃的地步都還沒有\n285752\t305655\t好,這個跟委員報告,這個我回去再趕快我們來進行我們的一個研議啦好了,辦公局長一個月內給我們一個第一步的計畫好不好第一步,我只要求第一步的計畫,就跨出去的計畫就好初步的一個評估的一個做法啦,設想一個月內嘛,可以吧\n306536\t323558\t那就代表剛剛杜董事長在答覆村委員的就確實你在這個地方有做調整我相信臺鐵今天要高鐵啦齁要跟高鐵讓消費者有所區別啦齁坦白講臺鐵一定要利用這些文資啦這些文資利用得越精緻啦越到位啦\n324857\t325418\t臺鐵越花光花熱\n342067\t362407\t謝謝陳部長這個我們交通部署有報告是這樣臺鐵建設三輪分別110年有5次、113年有3次重大的形成事故那113年一般事故平均42件一場事件平均發生是600餘件那脫落起來就是一般加一場就是642件坦白講平均一天就1.75的事故\n365470\t381058\t我部長部長對這大大小小事故要怎麼如何進行這個檢討這個數字確實是國人看起來不會很滿意所以今天的報告的第一個重點就是說確保安全的部分要先做好第二才是提升服務品質的部分\n381738\t396555\t所以這個部分其實我看臺鐵有相當多的計畫在處理安全的這個議題那不過我認為橫向的聯繫跟橫向的這個討論可能還不太足夠那這個部分我們正在整合當中安全的部分很多的計畫\n397176\t398557\t二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長就\n419784\t435731\t大致上的規律我也沒有說部長要在這邊討論但部長知道今年的1月到7月這個一般加異常事故已經累積幾件了部長知道嗎委員您上面有寫551件551件你看他到1到7月就已經551件現在已經10月了我們手上沒有89的資料顯然已經超越112年的沒錯\n447516\t475223\t這個 這個是很大的問題啦我們認為它的穩定性確實是要加強尤其在公司化之後我們是希望公司化之後效率要提升那如果公司化之後效率又更低那當然是不好那幾個方面要處理啦一方面就是我剛剛在講的那些計畫要好好的進行第二其實我有發現說臺鐵在近一兩年裡面人才的流失是個問題所以這個部分我們也正在努力留才的部分怎麼樣讓他的薪資能提高怎麼樣讓他的工作環境能夠更好\n475943\t503709\t讓人才能夠留下來因為臺鐵很多都是技術面的問題那如果人才流動得很快速的話其實對於技術面的保留是不好的所以部長知道這個事情就是一個核心的問題連監察院都有針對臺鐵安全改革執行的這個審核通知事項有去揭露三缺嘛我們臺鐵有三缺嘛對不對這三缺很清楚缺信心缺人力缺法制然後我知道目前為止借領退休有200多位\n504989\t532757\t然後特考上的因故位卻則有100幾位這補不進來補不到位然後到時候可能會面臨將近2000餘人的空缺跟委員報告不是這樣的不是這樣我們估計從公司成立一直到今年的年底我們大約會有包含那個在1月1號優退的包含那個我們在今年的年底大概會有15\n533877\t550350\t一、五、四、三人來調走或者是退休或者就是離開但是我們從去年的特考一直延續到今年的從業人員考試我們一共禁用了一、六、二、三人\n551050\t569292\t所以人力上是夠的而且我們在年底之前我們還會再禁用722人人力上確定是夠的所以監察院的報告是有問題但是剛剛有一個重點就是新進來的人我們要怎麼樣能夠讓他要留得住\n569813\t570614\t臺鐵的員工都很辛苦\n585664\t605759\t董事長就是有義務要照顧好他們對不對所以這個缺信心在經常會報告裡面放在第一項這是很恐怖一件事情是不是這些事情我們也不希望一般加那個異常事故會再一直的往上提升改制之後反而說還比去年還更多這個是不是請部長這邊折騰一個月內一個檢討修正的報告給我們做參考好不好好謝謝謝謝部長謝謝董事長謝謝主席\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席剛剛聽陳委員在這個垂詢杜董事長聽來還蠻高興的就臺鐵的文資嘛那我就先請杜董事長部長你先休息一下那也請部長聽聽我跟杜董事長的這樣的相關的這樣一個討論\n我等於說臺鐵舉辦臺鐵公司之後董事長有在文資這一塊確實有做了一個蠻大幅度的調整來招聘更多的這些更專業更好的這些人才來針對臺鐵相關的文資保安歷史建物來做這樣的一個處理嘛對不對那當然還是要文化部來做協助嘛那我再請教一下那我現在有看到這個古蹟台南站在修繕臺鐵是預計要11月底絕標嘛\n那個11月底絕標是臺南市政府的文資局他協助我們做現況調查的也有臺南市政府、地方政府去協助你們做現況的調查、做結報對不對那斗蘭、歷史進入斗蘭火車站\n我要提醒我要提醒董事長齁這個是鄭前部長現在的鄭副院長林前部長齁家榮兄都有到的地方\n是對那個跟委員報告齁斗南委員剛剛提到的是那個舊站是啊那是舊站啊現在就不用修了我們現在齁有有編列那個修復的經費了我們預計在七千萬七千萬嗎對我們預計在明年的四月明年四月對來公告發包公告發包所以你們系社什麼時候完成\n我特別提到是在鄭前部長的時候就已經到這個地方來了我們特別邀鄭部長現在鄭副院長到這個地方那林前部長也到這個地方他這個地方確實絕對有達到讓臺鐵在整個歷史建物\n在整個這個文化資產的一個維護裡面然後進而把它變成一個亮點那甚至後來林前部長在另外王前部長也都有在到這個地方我們希望這個地方串聯整個倉庫的這個整修甚至可以變成一個鐵道文化園區\n圖顯整個臺鐵對這個地方的重視而且它不只倉庫聯動的倉庫不只這個舊站體還有一個新站體嘛對不對然後周遭還有蠻多是臺鐵的土地所以這個地方要變成一個臺鐵的這個陡嵐的鐵道文化園區文化部也支持那我們臺鐵局現在的第一步的作為是什麼\n郭委員報告據我的了解現在除了我們這個斗南那個舊站的整修以外其實周遭包括剛剛委員講的倉庫還有一些土地現在應該比較多是屬於那個市政府縣政府的縣政府的所以要成立一個比較大範圍的那個文化園區的一個規劃這個我們應該要跟縣政府一起\n努力啦呃 沒關係啦呃 就規劃的方面 董事長 董事長 規劃的方面好 那 那到底規劃的第一步有踏出去了嗎也 也 不然 不然就這麼講嘛齁你們的第一步是什麼 就簡單 明確答我就好了嘿\n這第一步的話當然是要去規劃一下他的範圍阿有了嗎 有規劃了嗎還沒有 目前還沒有對 就從政前部長現在政務院長一直到林建永部長一直到王國采部長聯合國際部長都有去我記得當時杜局長也有去過 對不對我們最後那個地方是屬於你們台砥局的\n我們利用走到那一個樓上新站的二樓看過去的那個很大倉庫那也是台鐵局的右邊的土地也是台鐵局的火車站的正對面好像寶雅珠的那塊周遭的土地也都是台鐵局的那個腹地何其之大對 那我們經歷過一個文化部長兩個前部長你們到現在規劃的地步都還沒有\n好,這個跟委員報告,這個我回去再趕快我們來進行我們的一個研議啦好了,辦公局長一個月內給我們一個第一步的計畫好不好第一步,我只要求第一步的計畫,就跨出去的計畫就好初步的一個評估的一個做法啦,設想一個月內嘛,可以吧\n那就代表剛剛杜董事長在答覆村委員的就確實你在這個地方有做調整我相信臺鐵今天要高鐵啦齁要跟高鐵讓消費者有所區別啦齁坦白講臺鐵一定要利用這些文資啦這些文資利用得越精緻啦越到位啦\n臺鐵越花光花熱\n謝謝陳部長這個我們交通部署有報告是這樣臺鐵建設三輪分別110年有5次、113年有3次重大的形成事故那113年一般事故平均42件一場事件平均發生是600餘件那脫落起來就是一般加一場就是642件坦白講平均一天就1.75的事故\n我部長部長對這大大小小事故要怎麼如何進行這個檢討這個數字確實是國人看起來不會很滿意所以今天的報告的第一個重點就是說確保安全的部分要先做好第二才是提升服務品質的部分\n所以這個部分其實我看臺鐵有相當多的計畫在處理安全的這個議題那不過我認為橫向的聯繫跟橫向的這個討論可能還不太足夠那這個部分我們正在整合當中安全的部分很多的計畫\n二、邀請交通部鐵道局局長就\n大致上的規律我也沒有說部長要在這邊討論但部長知道今年的1月到7月這個一般加異常事故已經累積幾件了部長知道嗎委員您上面有寫551件551件你看他到1到7月就已經551件現在已經10月了我們手上沒有89的資料顯然已經超越112年的沒錯\n這個 這個是很大的問題啦我們認為它的穩定性確實是要加強尤其在公司化之後我們是希望公司化之後效率要提升那如果公司化之後效率又更低那當然是不好那幾個方面要處理啦一方面就是我剛剛在講的那些計畫要好好的進行第二其實我有發現說臺鐵在近一兩年裡面人才的流失是個問題所以這個部分我們也正在努力留才的部分怎麼樣讓他的薪資能提高怎麼樣讓他的工作環境能夠更好\n讓人才能夠留下來因為臺鐵很多都是技術面的問題那如果人才流動得很快速的話其實對於技術面的保留是不好的所以部長知道這個事情就是一個核心的問題連監察院都有針對臺鐵安全改革執行的這個審核通知事項有去揭露三缺嘛我們臺鐵有三缺嘛對不對這三缺很清楚缺信心缺人力缺法制然後我知道目前為止借領退休有200多位\n然後特考上的因故位卻則有100幾位這補不進來補不到位然後到時候可能會面臨將近2000餘人的空缺跟委員報告不是這樣的不是這樣我們估計從公司成立一直到今年的年底我們大約會有包含那個在1月1號優退的包含那個我們在今年的年底大概會有15\n一、五、四、三人來調走或者是退休或者就是離開但是我們從去年的特考一直延續到今年的從業人員考試我們一共禁用了一、六、二、三人\n所以人力上是夠的而且我們在年底之前我們還會再禁用722人人力上確定是夠的所以監察院的報告是有問題但是剛剛有一個重點就是新進來的人我們要怎麼樣能夠讓他要留得住\n臺鐵的員工都很辛苦\n董事長就是有義務要照顧好他們對不對所以這個缺信心在經常會報告裡面放在第一項這是很恐怖一件事情是不是這些事情我們也不希望一般加那個異常事故會再一直的往上提升改制之後反而說還比去年還更多這個是不是請部長這邊折騰一個月內一個檢討修正的報告給我們做參考好不好好謝謝謝謝部長謝謝董事長謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.039 --> 00:21.797\n好謝謝主席剛剛聽陳委員在這個垂詢杜董事長聽來還蠻高興的就臺鐵的文資嘛那我就先請杜董事長部長你先休息一下那也請部長聽聽我跟杜董事長的這樣的相關的這樣一個討論\n\n00:25.260 --> 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