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00:00:11,913\n主席謝謝麻煩請李遠部長我們有請李遠部長阿公部長很關心向下扎根的議題十二項沃土計畫其中第一個就是向下扎根我先請教一個上個禮拜我們教育文化委員會由另外一位召委有開這個公聽會\n\n2\n00:00:30,932 --> 00:00:53,024\n討論的就是手機校園裡面的限制管理的一個方向那很多人會講啊就如同您的一個報告裡面講3C產品的盛行讓兒少漸漸失去閱讀的習慣等等所以你希望能夠再重拾閱讀的能力請教文化部長那您認為手機在校園裡面應該更禁止或是如同現在一樣\n\n3\n00:00:54,429 --> 00:01:22,343\n這個部分好像應該教育部部長來回答但是我個人覺得我們只能繼續開發讓小朋友可以去做別的事情的項目比如說剛剛講到閱讀比如說旅遊我剛剛講一百大基地也好我們推出繪本也好或者是辦那個故事也故事說也好就是想把小孩子拉出三四一產品的那個範圍我們甚至於用科技跟文化來證明用三四一產品\n\n4\n00:01:23,303 --> 00:01:24,304\n所以會有現在就做這樣的研究嗎?\n\n5\n00:01:38,399 --> 00:02:05,035\n我們正在進行一些跟國會會的一些申請是市長最後能夠提出一個這個就是本期上一個禮拜在公聽會講的我說除了我們大人認為說現在可能手機會有影響學習或是影響專注力以及在手機上面可能會有一些交友的一些陷阱等等以外其實更重要的是要拿數據說話所以現在我們看到說歐美有一些國家是已經禁止了\n\n6\n00:02:05,555 --> 00:02:32,943\n校園不用手機那我也要求是說上禮拜其實這不是只有教育部的工作因為上禮拜我們文化部我記得是次長還是我們司長也有來列席就代表這其實教育文化都應該要一體的所以其實部長今天本席是希望能夠讓你更多的理念的宣傳告訴大家是說其實除了手機這個3.5吋4吋的一個螢幕以外世界還有更大的一個\n\n7\n00:02:33,903 --> 00:02:35,864\n這一點很簡單就只要國科會願意支持我們的話\n\n8\n00:03:02,622 --> 00:03:06,900\n他願意支持我們經費我們就可以做我們文化部今年的預算多少錢\n\n9\n00:03:07,984 --> 00:03:33,594\n目前編列300億300億300億裡面的然後300億我們沒有任何的300億我們還要拜託一個國科會國科會今年預算多少錢我們的我們的300億裡面部長你這樣子感覺很不勇於認識我現在是肯定你的肯定你的想法但是我們現在是希望是說如果說文化部願意來做是就像你講的嗎山西產品盛期失去閱讀習慣不喜歡與大自然為伍\n\n10\n00:03:34,474 --> 00:03:34,494\n部長\n\n11\n00:03:46,769 --> 00:03:48,290\n來部長第二個部分本席看到這個影劇\n\n12\n00:04:13,137 --> 00:04:27,280\n影視我也很認同說我們文化部要來推動影劇影視但是我跟很多的這些影劇影視的好朋友在溝通聊天發覺說現在現象是文化部有照顧到前面拍攝的部分\n\n13\n00:04:28,427 --> 00:04:30,928\n國際上的串流平台大的平台\n\n14\n00:04:48,813 --> 00:05:06,367\n11月又要有一個串流平台也要再登陸台灣嘛對不對而新聞報導講是說強勢進攻阿把哈利波特把慾望城市要帶進來強勢進攻那一樣我們的台劇或是電影能不能也強勢回公\n\n15\n00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:33,092\n部長知不知道現在現對多人使用的串流平台Netflix一年購買我們差不多多少個台劇他買台劇有兩個方式一個是買全球的版權是如果能夠取得全球版權的購買大概就可以成本就可以回來他如果是買台灣的劇的話是買台灣版權的話其實是不夠的那至於他一共買多少你知道他買多少我不知道最後數字我不曉得是\n\n16\n00:05:33,852 --> 00:06:01,279\n就我的了解啊Netflix一年啊可能真真正正授權買的差不多四部而已買全球版權是那剩下的我們一年製作多少台劇Netflix可能輕點看上的四部DisneyPlus可能更低HBOMax現在還沒有上所以說還不知道但部長現在我就要跟你來討論怎麼樣能夠push我們這些串流平台通路\n\n17\n00:06:02,179 --> 00:06:02,480\n我非常謝謝委員問這個問題因為\n\n18\n00:06:14,537 --> 00:06:39,279\n的確我們的台灣的那個串流平台如果控制在國外的這個手上的話我們台灣的巨真的出不去那現在我們如果我爭取到這個下一個100億其實我就是想做這件事我想跟台灣先解決三大那個電信業者我們來合組基金其中有一個中華電信我們已經談了快一年\n\n19\n00:06:40,200 --> 00:07:06,728\n最近接近快要完成了那他是第一個我們跟中華電信成立大概30億的這個基金由他們來操盤目的就是我們說服台灣三大電信業者原來不覺得投資文化內容是有意義的因為他本身的收入用文化內容來講他可能還是賠錢的但是我們說服他們說文化內容如果做出來成功的話\n\n20\n00:07:23,812 --> 00:07:39,352\n不要認為是說我們自己內部的本土平台即便做了也都是買外國的戲劇來播放那這樣子就會變什麼就很像是我們過去看這個有線電視也是一樣到最後都是買國外的這影片來播放是一樣的道理嗎\n\n21\n00:07:39,993 --> 00:07:54,487\n但是另外一個部分現行我覺得你分兩個層面部長因為這是比較龐大的議題但是我一定要把我們立場講清楚另外一個部分現行串流平台上面我們能夠怎麼樣來協助幫忙把他們有更多誘因讓他們能夠多\n\n22\n00:07:56,169 --> 00:08:09,996\n不管是購買也好不管是多吸納也好因為其實串流平台對他們來講他們放上那個空間沒有問題啊甚至有沒有可能跟串流平台談能夠先把這些好的影星作品放上然後之後靠點閱還是靠什麼來做這個回收\n\n23\n00:08:13,197 --> 00:08:31,438\n我覺得這都是可能文化部可以來去做媒合跟串接的讓多一點台劇台影能夠上串流平台讓全世界能看到部長有沒有辦法好其實我們過去沒有去補助平台這個項目我沒有說要補助平台我現在講的是說怎麼樣跟平台來溝通讓\n\n24\n00:08:34,625 --> 00:08:59,503\n美和或者是有一個什麼樣的誘因其實我們有雙管齊下就是第一個我們必須要把我們的台劇那個品質要提高到別人接受至少跟日韓可以競爭第二個我們要擁有平台那平台我們上架以後我們如果去推廣他這部分是我心裡最著急所以為什麼我一上任之後我就去找國發會的主委拜託一定要給我\n\n25\n00:09:01,324 --> 00:09:19,004\n部長這個部分我們之後再討論但是對於影視行業好的作品跟好的通路都要一起兼顧來第三個部分黑神話悟空這一個電動國安體系有講說這個是對岸對台灣的文化統戰\n\n26\n00:09:20,509 --> 00:09:48,382\n我想已經講到你的專業的文化統戰那我們講說只要有人好像網路上也講說有人質疑這個就是中共同路人部長贊成國安會這樣子的一個評估嗎國安單位評估嗎OK你問的也非常好其實我不太清楚國安會的完整描述那對我來講黑悟空跟中華文化是因為中華文化才使得黑悟空大賣嗎黑神話悟空啦神話悟空我真的不懂因為我也沒看你也沒玩但是你用那個\n\n27\n00:09:49,622 --> 00:10:12,912\n神話悟空這個東西就叫中華文化嗎?那我們也有動畫叫八戒啊我們對中華文化這個第一是有點模糊的所以你不認同這個是文化統戰我覺得交流跟那個統戰還有就是會不會很多因為我們現在台灣的玩家可以在我們的平台上面可以玩到可以買到了那會不會你會擔心說很多台灣的玩家去玩黑神話悟空被統戰\n\n28\n00:10:14,110 --> 00:10:28,939\n拜託看內容阿有的時候他玩得很好玩裡面如果百姓思想我覺得文化裡面最可怕的是思想因為台灣是民主制度我們反而開放的讓大家進來部長您到底知不知道黑神話悟空在玩什麼或是我不知道阿\n\n29\n00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:56,395\n那你跟我講一下那這樣比較不好討論啦不過沒關係因為部長我覺得這個就是一樣嘛就是說你是個文化人我想要問的是國安單位說這是文化統戰結果我們自己文化部完全沒有警覺或是沒有去思考說欸有人文化統戰了我們要不要去了解研究有有有警覺啊結果沒有想到部長到現在誇誇其詞但是一問三不知不知道內容是什麼那不過部長我再請教上個禮拜金鐘獎頒獎典禮\n\n30\n00:10:59,377 --> 00:11:01,198\n他希望能夠有下一個宏願,部長知道是什麼嗎?\n\n31\n00:11:20,694 --> 00:11:21,974\n他說金鐘獎希望能夠納入華語節目讓金鐘更大更久\n\n32\n00:11:37,699 --> 00:11:38,179\n我先請教你認同吳宗憲主持人這一段話嗎?\n\n33\n00:11:57,455 --> 00:12:09,225\n所以我們可以怎麼做我先問你認不認同納入全部華語節目這一句話我們再來討論執行面你現在要先講執行面那我們就很難討論下去了我為什麼要在金馬獎一定要開放華語呢我們當年金馬獎就是開放華語之後又很長一段時間我們金馬獎是被香港跟華語佔領台灣電影幾乎沒有空間後來是靠我們2008年海角七號起來之後比較爭氣一點點\n\n34\n00:12:25,299 --> 00:12:51,357\n那後來中國大陸的電影自己要撤退以後我們自己很爭氣啊所以重點第一是京中如果我們很爭氣開放是沒有問題的是不是我們很爭氣開放就像吳宗憲他的最佳人氣綜藝節目吳宗憲他的主持也常被對岸邀請去啊他也有去對岸不管是參加來賓或是當主持啊但不管怎麼樣如果說我們的京中是\n\n35\n00:12:52,438 --> 00:12:52,578\n我現在只講部長\n\n36\n00:13:16,491 --> 00:13:27,893\n不用這樣氣急敗壞我們文化人喔真的因為我一開始有講你72歲文化阿公部長我很尊重所以這是吳宗憲因為我認識吳宗憲阿因為已經超過三分半我們也希望既然如此我們文化有更高的宏願更高的想像更強的自信面對任何的文化我們可以去輸出我想後續我們請文化部再給洪孟楷委員這個詳細的報告說明喔\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7609\t11913\t主席謝謝麻煩請李遠部長我們有請李遠部長阿公部長很關心向下扎根的議題十二項沃土計畫其中第一個就是向下扎根我先請教一個上個禮拜我們教育文化委員會由另外一位召委有開這個公聽會\n30932\t53024\t討論的就是手機校園裡面的限制管理的一個方向那很多人會講啊就如同您的一個報告裡面講3C產品的盛行讓兒少漸漸失去閱讀的習慣等等所以你希望能夠再重拾閱讀的能力請教文化部長那您認為手機在校園裡面應該更禁止或是如同現在一樣\n54429\t82343\t這個部分好像應該教育部部長來回答但是我個人覺得我們只能繼續開發讓小朋友可以去做別的事情的項目比如說剛剛講到閱讀比如說旅遊我剛剛講一百大基地也好我們推出繪本也好或者是辦那個故事也故事說也好就是想把小孩子拉出三四一產品的那個範圍我們甚至於用科技跟文化來證明用三四一產品\n83303\t84304\t所以會有現在就做這樣的研究嗎?\n98399\t125035\t我們正在進行一些跟國會會的一些申請是市長最後能夠提出一個這個就是本期上一個禮拜在公聽會講的我說除了我們大人認為說現在可能手機會有影響學習或是影響專注力以及在手機上面可能會有一些交友的一些陷阱等等以外其實更重要的是要拿數據說話所以現在我們看到說歐美有一些國家是已經禁止了\n125555\t152943\t校園不用手機那我也要求是說上禮拜其實這不是只有教育部的工作因為上禮拜我們文化部我記得是次長還是我們司長也有來列席就代表這其實教育文化都應該要一體的所以其實部長今天本席是希望能夠讓你更多的理念的宣傳告訴大家是說其實除了手機這個3.5吋4吋的一個螢幕以外世界還有更大的一個\n153903\t155864\t這一點很簡單就只要國科會願意支持我們的話\n182622\t186900\t他願意支持我們經費我們就可以做我們文化部今年的預算多少錢\n187984\t213594\t目前編列300億300億300億裡面的然後300億我們沒有任何的300億我們還要拜託一個國科會國科會今年預算多少錢我們的我們的300億裡面部長你這樣子感覺很不勇於認識我現在是肯定你的肯定你的想法但是我們現在是希望是說如果說文化部願意來做是就像你講的嗎山西產品盛期失去閱讀習慣不喜歡與大自然為伍\n214474\t214494\t部長\n226769\t228290\t來部長第二個部分本席看到這個影劇\n253137\t267280\t影視我也很認同說我們文化部要來推動影劇影視但是我跟很多的這些影劇影視的好朋友在溝通聊天發覺說現在現象是文化部有照顧到前面拍攝的部分\n268427\t270928\t國際上的串流平台大的平台\n288813\t306367\t11月又要有一個串流平台也要再登陸台灣嘛對不對而新聞報導講是說強勢進攻阿把哈利波特把慾望城市要帶進來強勢進攻那一樣我們的台劇或是電影能不能也強勢回公\n308240\t333092\t部長知不知道現在現對多人使用的串流平台Netflix一年購買我們差不多多少個台劇他買台劇有兩個方式一個是買全球的版權是如果能夠取得全球版權的購買大概就可以成本就可以回來他如果是買台灣的劇的話是買台灣版權的話其實是不夠的那至於他一共買多少你知道他買多少我不知道最後數字我不曉得是\n333852\t361279\t就我的了解啊Netflix一年啊可能真真正正授權買的差不多四部而已買全球版權是那剩下的我們一年製作多少台劇Netflix可能輕點看上的四部Disney Plus可能更低HBO Max現在還沒有上所以說還不知道但部長現在我就要跟你來討論怎麼樣能夠push我們這些串流平台通路\n362179\t362480\t我非常謝謝委員問這個問題因為\n374537\t399279\t的確我們的台灣的那個串流平台如果控制在國外的這個手上的話我們台灣的巨真的出不去那現在我們如果我爭取到這個下一個100億其實我就是想做這件事我想跟台灣先解決三大那個電信業者我們來合組基金其中有一個中華電信我們已經談了快一年\n400200\t426728\t最近接近快要完成了那他是第一個我們跟中華電信成立大概30億的這個基金由他們來操盤目的就是我們說服台灣三大電信業者原來不覺得投資文化內容是有意義的因為他本身的收入用文化內容來講他可能還是賠錢的但是我們說服他們說文化內容如果做出來成功的話\n427108\t443712\t﹗\n443812\t459352\t不要認為是說我們自己內部的本土平台即便做了也都是買外國的戲劇來播放那這樣子就會變什麼就很像是我們過去看這個有線電視也是一樣到最後都是買國外的這影片來播放是一樣的道理嗎\n459993\t474487\t但是另外一個部分現行我覺得你分兩個層面部長因為這是比較龐大的議題但是我一定要把我們立場講清楚另外一個部分現行串流平台上面我們能夠怎麼樣來協助幫忙把他們有更多誘因讓他們能夠多\n476169\t489996\t不管是購買也好 不管是多吸納也好 因為其實串流平台對他們來講 他們放上那個空間沒有問題啊甚至有沒有可能跟串流平台談 能夠先把這些好的影星作品放上 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Plus可能更低HBO Max現在還沒有上所以說還不知道但部長現在我就要跟你來討論怎麼樣能夠push我們這些串流平台通路\n我非常謝謝委員問這個問題因為\n的確我們的台灣的那個串流平台如果控制在國外的這個手上的話我們台灣的巨真的出不去那現在我們如果我爭取到這個下一個100億其實我就是想做這件事我想跟台灣先解決三大那個電信業者我們來合組基金其中有一個中華電信我們已經談了快一年\n最近接近快要完成了那他是第一個我們跟中華電信成立大概30億的這個基金由他們來操盤目的就是我們說服台灣三大電信業者原來不覺得投資文化內容是有意義的因為他本身的收入用文化內容來講他可能還是賠錢的但是我們說服他們說文化內容如果做出來成功的話\n﹗\n不要認為是說我們自己內部的本土平台即便做了也都是買外國的戲劇來播放那這樣子就會變什麼就很像是我們過去看這個有線電視也是一樣到最後都是買國外的這影片來播放是一樣的道理嗎\n但是另外一個部分現行我覺得你分兩個層面部長因為這是比較龐大的議題但是我一定要把我們立場講清楚另外一個部分現行串流平台上面我們能夠怎麼樣來協助幫忙把他們有更多誘因讓他們能夠多\n不管是購買也好 不管是多吸納也好 因為其實串流平台對他們來講 他們放上那個空間沒有問題啊甚至有沒有可能跟串流平台談 能夠先把這些好的影星作品放上 然後之後靠點閱還是靠什麼來做這個回收\n我覺得這都是可能文化部可以來去做媒合跟串接的讓多一點台劇台影能夠上串流平台讓全世界能看到部長有沒有辦法好其實我們過去沒有去補助平台這個項目我沒有說要補助平台我現在講的是說怎麼樣跟平台來溝通讓\n美和或者是有一個什麼樣的誘因其實我們有雙管齊下就是第一個我們必須要把我們的台劇那個品質要提高到別人接受至少跟日韓可以競爭第二個我們要擁有平台那平台我們上架以後我們如果去推廣他這部分是我心裡最著急所以為什麼我一上任之後我就去找國發會的主委拜託一定要給我\n部長這個部分我們之後再討論但是對於影視行業好的作品跟好的通路都要一起兼顧來第三個部分黑神話悟空這一個電動國安體系有講說這個是對岸對台灣的文化統戰\n我想已經講到你的專業的文化統戰那我們講說只要有人好像網路上也講說有人質疑這個就是中共同路人部長贊成國安會這樣子的一個評估嗎國安單位評估嗎OK你問的也非常好其實我不太清楚國安會的完整描述那對我來講黑悟空跟中華文化是因為中華文化才使得黑悟空大賣嗎黑神話悟空啦神話悟空我真的不懂因為我也沒看你也沒玩但是你用那個\n神話悟空這個東西就叫中華文化嗎?那我們也有動畫叫八戒啊我們對中華文化這個第一是有點模糊的所以你不認同這個是文化統戰我覺得交流跟那個統戰還有就是會不會很多因為我們現在台灣的玩家可以在我們的平台上面可以玩到可以買到了那會不會你會擔心說很多台灣的玩家去玩黑神話悟空被統戰\n拜託看內容阿 有的時候他玩得很好玩 裡面如果百姓思想 我覺得文化裡面最可怕的是思想因為台灣是民主制度 我們反而開放的讓大家進來部長您到底知不知道黑神話悟空在玩什麼或是我不知道阿\n那你跟我講一下 那這樣比較不好討論啦不過沒關係 因為部長我覺得這個就是一樣嘛就是說你是個文化人我想要問的是國安單位說這是文化統戰結果我們自己文化部完全沒有警覺或是沒有去思考說欸有人文化統戰了我們要不要去了解研究有有有警覺啊結果沒有想到部長到現在誇誇其詞但是一問三不知不知道內容是什麼那不過部長我再請教上個禮拜金鐘獎頒獎典禮\n他希望能夠有下一個宏願,部長知道是什麼嗎?\n他說金鐘獎希望能夠納入華語節目讓金鐘更大更久\n我先請教你認同吳宗憲主持人這一段話嗎?\n所以我們可以怎麼做我先問你認不認同納入全部華語節目這一句話我們再來討論執行面你現在要先講執行面那我們就很難討論下去了我為什麼要在金馬獎一定要開放華語呢我們當年金馬獎就是開放華語之後又很長一段時間我們金馬獎是被香港跟華語佔領台灣電影幾乎沒有空間後來是靠我們2008年海角七號起來之後比較爭氣一點點\n那後來中國大陸的電影自己要撤退以後我們自己很爭氣啊所以重點第一是京中如果我們很爭氣開放是沒有問題的是不是我們很爭氣開放就像吳宗憲他的最佳人氣綜藝節目吳宗憲他的主持也常被對岸邀請去啊他也有去對岸不管是參加來賓或是當主持啊但不管怎麼樣如果說我們的京中是\n我現在只講部長\n不用這樣氣急敗壞我們文化人喔真的因為我一開始有講你72歲文化阿公部長我很尊重所以這是吳宗憲因為我認識吳宗憲阿因為已經超過三分半我們也希望既然如此我們文化有更高的宏願更高的想像更強的自信面對任何的文化我們可以去輸出我想後續我們請文化部再給洪孟楷委員這個詳細的報告說明喔\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.609 --> 00:11.913\n主席謝謝麻煩請李遠部長我們有請李遠部長阿公部長很關心向下扎根的議題十二項沃土計畫其中第一個就是向下扎根我先請教一個上個禮拜我們教育文化委員會由另外一位召委有開這個公聽會\n\n00:30.932 --> 00:53.024\n討論的就是手機校園裡面的限制管理的一個方向那很多人會講啊就如同您的一個報告裡面講3C產品的盛行讓兒少漸漸失去閱讀的習慣等等所以你希望能夠再重拾閱讀的能力請教文化部長那您認為手機在校園裡面應該更禁止或是如同現在一樣\n\n00:54.429 --> 01:22.343\n這個部分好像應該教育部部長來回答但是我個人覺得我們只能繼續開發讓小朋友可以去做別的事情的項目比如說剛剛講到閱讀比如說旅遊我剛剛講一百大基地也好我們推出繪本也好或者是辦那個故事也故事說也好就是想把小孩子拉出三四一產品的那個範圍我們甚至於用科技跟文化來證明用三四一產品\n\n01:23.303 --> 01:24.304\n所以會有現在就做這樣的研究嗎?\n\n01:38.399 --> 02:05.035\n我們正在進行一些跟國會會的一些申請是市長最後能夠提出一個這個就是本期上一個禮拜在公聽會講的我說除了我們大人認為說現在可能手機會有影響學習或是影響專注力以及在手機上面可能會有一些交友的一些陷阱等等以外其實更重要的是要拿數據說話所以現在我們看到說歐美有一些國家是已經禁止了\n\n02:05.555 --> 02:32.943\n校園不用手機那我也要求是說上禮拜其實這不是只有教育部的工作因為上禮拜我們文化部我記得是次長還是我們司長也有來列席就代表這其實教育文化都應該要一體的所以其實部長今天本席是希望能夠讓你更多的理念的宣傳告訴大家是說其實除了手機這個3.5吋4吋的一個螢幕以外世界還有更大的一個\n\n02:33.903 --> 02:35.864\n這一點很簡單就只要國科會願意支持我們的話\n\n03:02.622 --> 03:06.900\n他願意支持我們經費我們就可以做我們文化部今年的預算多少錢\n\n03:07.984 --> 03:33.594\n目前編列300億300億300億裡面的然後300億我們沒有任何的300億我們還要拜託一個國科會國科會今年預算多少錢我們的我們的300億裡面部長你這樣子感覺很不勇於認識我現在是肯定你的肯定你的想法但是我們現在是希望是說如果說文化部願意來做是就像你講的嗎山西產品盛期失去閱讀習慣不喜歡與大自然為伍\n\n03:34.474 --> 03:34.494\n部長\n\n03:46.769 --> 03:48.290\n來部長第二個部分本席看到這個影劇\n\n04:13.137 --> 04:27.280\n影視我也很認同說我們文化部要來推動影劇影視但是我跟很多的這些影劇影視的好朋友在溝通聊天發覺說現在現象是文化部有照顧到前面拍攝的部分\n\n04:28.427 --> 04:30.928\n國際上的串流平台大的平台\n\n04:48.813 --> 05:06.367\n11月又要有一個串流平台也要再登陸台灣嘛對不對而新聞報導講是說強勢進攻阿把哈利波特把慾望城市要帶進來強勢進攻那一樣我們的台劇或是電影能不能也強勢回公\n\n05:08.240 --> 05:33.092\n部長知不知道現在現對多人使用的串流平台Netflix一年購買我們差不多多少個台劇他買台劇有兩個方式一個是買全球的版權是如果能夠取得全球版權的購買大概就可以成本就可以回來他如果是買台灣的劇的話是買台灣版權的話其實是不夠的那至於他一共買多少你知道他買多少我不知道最後數字我不曉得是\n\n05:33.852 --> 06:01.279\n就我的了解啊Netflix一年啊可能真真正正授權買的差不多四部而已買全球版權是那剩下的我們一年製作多少台劇Netflix可能輕點看上的四部DisneyPlus可能更低HBOMax現在還沒有上所以說還不知道但部長現在我就要跟你來討論怎麼樣能夠push我們這些串流平台通路\n\n06:02.179 --> 06:02.480\n我非常謝謝委員問這個問題因為\n\n06:14.537 --> 06:39.279\n的確我們的台灣的那個串流平台如果控制在國外的這個手上的話我們台灣的巨真的出不去那現在我們如果我爭取到這個下一個100億其實我就是想做這件事我想跟台灣先解決三大那個電信業者我們來合組基金其中有一個中華電信我們已經談了快一年\n\n06:40.200 --> 07:06.728\n最近接近快要完成了那他是第一個我們跟中華電信成立大概30億的這個基金由他們來操盤目的就是我們說服台灣三大電信業者原來不覺得投資文化內容是有意義的因為他本身的收入用文化內容來講他可能還是賠錢的但是我們說服他們說文化內容如果做出來成功的話\n\n07:23.812 --> 07:39.352\n不要認為是說我們自己內部的本土平台即便做了也都是買外國的戲劇來播放那這樣子就會變什麼就很像是我們過去看這個有線電視也是一樣到最後都是買國外的這影片來播放是一樣的道理嗎\n\n07:39.993 --> 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