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00:03:19,986\n委員好我是數位資訊室主任謝俊科第一次發言那個數量的減少有很多的原因一個原因就是最近那個計量機制從改成了GA4那另外還有很多其他的原因比如說我們的opendata大量的開放之後還有那個資料庫越改越好用之後很多那個觀眾是\n\n10\n00:03:21,967 --> 00:03:21,987\n院長：\n\n11\n00:03:41,104 --> 00:04:10,128\n其實本期今天提出來我們還講我們心目中的第一名是故宮但故宮不管是瀏覽次數就虛擬次數以及實體次數目前為止都是大幅衰退那你剛講到網站的部分我再提一個這兩天我們日本的友人傳訊給我他問說故宮有針對不同的國籍的人有不同的差別待遇嗎還是他覺得說日本人跟其他國籍的人對於故宮的興趣不同\n\n12\n00:04:11,478 --> 00:04:40,247\n來我們看一下這個是我們的故宮精品網站的網頁首頁中文版沒有問題有一個這個本月主題商品來我們找英文版也有本月主題商品populartopic那換成日本版本月主題商品變了那我們再來看法文版也是一樣本月主題商品都是這一些再來看韓文版也是這樣子\n\n13\n00:04:41,451 --> 00:05:05,748\n那我們就拉回來我這日本朋友就問我就說奇怪中文版英文版來我們看一下中文版首頁中文版月刊這一些典藏佛經正知道了英文版也是一樣典藏佛經那我們看日文版片蛋糕是日本人比較愛吃蛋糕還是故宮覺得說日本人\n\n14\n00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:35,995\n消費力而且這個蛋糕我們再點進去他不能訂他說貨到才會通知你所以他是一個沒有上架的商品跟委員報告的確故宮的網站在即時性我們在即時性上面是有改進的空間的確對但是怎麼會有差別待遇因為日本朋友問我我真的第一時間回答不出來我就說我來了解一下我也實際去操作這個是我早上請同仁在操作的畫面\n\n15\n00:05:37,068 --> 00:05:57,582\n所以部長欸院長我今天提出來只是講是說當網站沒有那麼的螺絲沒有那麼酸緊精緻度連這個部分都會有出錯的時候我們真的很難是說你之後接下來數位前瞻還有第5期希望要再編2700萬我們該不該支持因為那個數位網站的話我們是我要幫你這個部分的話我們會會會所以這是廠商的責任我們的責任\n\n16\n00:06:06,257 --> 00:06:20,629\n好來簡單補充好不好因為還有一個議題因為中文的出版品的話我們會比較針對中國的遊客所以說商城在行銷的時候還是會針對不同的遊客我覺得你這樣越解釋越糟喔請謹慎\n\n17\n00:06:22,210 --> 00:06:41,577\n因為這樣意思日本的遊客就覺得是說我們怎樣日本人比較不愛文物愛吃愛蛋糕所以你給中文版你給英文版你給法文版都是我們故宮的文物然後結果到給日本的時候你這樣有沒有歧視的意味啊是日本朋友問我所以說我在講是說我要來了解\n\n18\n00:06:42,737 --> 00:07:02,410\n所以我覺得沒有解釋還好我就說姑且這可能是陳氏錯誤廠商沒有更正趕快更正但如果說你講是說這是刻意為之這樣就不對囉這不是刻意為之吧來謝謝院長那趕快改進好不好來院長另外一部分其實比較重要是明年是故宮百年\n\n19\n00:07:02,930 --> 00:07:31,488\n那我們也知道是說我們有文物百選及其故事要到捷克首展我先簡單說明一下捷克它其實是一個重要的國家第一它是歐洲國家歐盟國家第二1000萬的人口但是它的觀光旅次有多少在去年2200萬它的觀光旅客是它本國人口的兩倍那換言之很多歐洲歐美旅客會喜歡選擇捷克去觀光啊\n\n20\n00:07:32,248 --> 00:07:57,197\n我們的這個百年的這個競選展目前我們要前往明年9月到12月對不對我覺得這是一個重要的大事因為翠玉白菜清明上河圖這些重要文物也都會前往嘛那我們現在是不是聽說因為之前他們的眾議院以及參議院院長也都有來我們的中華民國來訪問那我們現在是不是有計劃也要邀請我們的立法院院長或副院長前往\n\n21\n00:07:58,130 --> 00:08:25,979\n昨天我有跟捷克在台的代表見面他說據他了解的話就是捷方已經邀請韓國瑜院長就是說他們已經表達這樣的一個...捷方邀請韓國瑜院長我覺得這很有意義喔因為他有可能就變成是韓國瑜院長因為到目前為止他上任都還沒有出國訪問嘛那當然有沒有可能變成是明年不一定但至少以韓國瑜院長的高度還有就是捷克現在相對跟我們中華民國的關係良好\n\n22\n00:08:26,559 --> 00:08:37,684\n有沒有可能韓國瑜院長也到他們的國會去做一個演講因為他的參議院議長或是眾議院議長來也都有演講嘛是不是我們也是共同努力啊那還有\n\n23\n00:08:43,846 --> 00:09:09,521\n因為我們的文物翠玉白菜清明上河圖這個東西我們一講連國人可能都不一定有親眼看過那這個一講大家都知道的我相信歐美的人士也都很清楚這個文物的價值所以這是不是應該要利用這個機會把國際的民生或者是說讓觀光相關的人士也都一起去參觀所以這是不是應該不只是故宮單打獨鬥\n\n24\n00:09:11,082 --> 00:09:32,657\n觀光部．交通部觀光署外交部是不是一起過來努力?院長您覺得呢?這個部分的話就是那個政委那邊已經在在在哪一位政委?使者政委這邊使者政委我們前文化部長對對對那他已經有在做規劃了是不是?他有在跟故宮要故宮去報告所以我們會去處理會去規劃他什麼時候要故宮報告?\n\n25\n00:09:38,421 --> 00:09:55,653\n我們議會院長已經第一次報告過了但是只是報告那個展覽的內容對報告展覽內容展覽內容當然是專業規劃這沒有問題啊本期現在講的是說我們怎麼樣利用這就像闖樓街的概念嘛\n\n26\n00:09:55,933 --> 00:10:11,931\n所以這就像是今天我們一個國際巨星前往捷克4個月而且又是100年盛大盛世如果說他在捷克第一能夠吸引更多歐美人士前往捷克也去看我們的文物這是好第二我們能夠怎麼樣在那個利用這個\n\n27\n00:10:13,432 --> 00:10:33,022\n國際巨星來把我們的比如說韓國院長邀請去來做一個我們國家的一個國立展現也是好第三怎麼樣能夠讓觀光的人士從看了我們的文物之後進一步想說啊看不夠一百件文物看不夠我想要來故宮博物院來中華民國再看這是三好啊\n\n28\n00:10:34,371 --> 00:11:01,451\n所以我們才想說要交通部要外交部一起來第一次的會議的話當然跟政委報告第二次的報告的話是院長級的報告所以我們就會報告那個相關的規劃那在報告之前是不是也邀請由故宮這邊來邀集外交部邀集交通部共同來討論他們能夠出什麼力至少讓他們在明年的規劃上面也有一些外交計畫外交預算觀光預算一起共同來\n\n29\n00:11:02,608 --> 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data大量的開放之後還有那個資料庫越改越好用之後很多那個觀眾是\n院長：\n其實本期今天提出來我們還講我們心目中的第一名是故宮但故宮不管是瀏覽次數就虛擬次數以及實體次數目前為止都是大幅衰退那你剛講到網站的部分我再提一個這兩天我們日本的友人傳訊給我他問說故宮有針對不同的國籍的人有不同的差別待遇嗎還是他覺得說日本人跟其他國籍的人對於故宮的興趣不同\n來我們看一下這個是我們的故宮精品網站的網頁首頁中文版沒有問題有一個這個本月主題商品來我們找英文版也有本月主題商品popular topic那換成日本版本月主題商品變了那我們再來看法文版也是一樣本月主題商品都是這一些再來看韓文版也是這樣子\n那我們就拉回來我這日本朋友就問我就說奇怪中文版英文版來我們看一下中文版首頁中文版月刊這一些典藏佛經正知道了英文版也是一樣典藏佛經那我們看日文版片蛋糕是日本人比較愛吃蛋糕還是故宮覺得說日本人\n消費力而且這個蛋糕我們再點進去他不能訂他說貨到才會通知你所以他是一個沒有上架的商品跟委員報告的確故宮的網站在即時性我們在即時性上面是有改進的空間的確對但是怎麼會有差別待遇因為日本朋友問我我真的第一時間回答不出來我就說我來了解一下我也實際去操作這個是我早上請同仁在操作的畫面\n所以部長 欸院長我今天提出來只是講是說當網站沒有那麼的螺絲沒有那麼酸緊精緻度連這個部分都會有出錯的時候我們真的很難是說你之後接下來數位前瞻還有第5期希望要再編2700萬我們該不該支持因為那個數位網站的話我們是我要幫你這個部分的話我們會會會所以這是廠商的責任我們的責任\n好 來簡單補充好不好因為還有一個議題因為中文的出版品的話我們會比較針對中國的遊客所以說商城在行銷的時候還是會針對不同的遊客我覺得你這樣越解釋越糟喔請謹慎\n因為這樣意思日本的遊客就覺得是說我們怎樣日本人比較不愛文物愛吃愛蛋糕所以你給中文版你給英文版你給法文版都是我們故宮的文物然後結果到給日本的時候你這樣有沒有歧視的意味啊是日本朋友問我所以說我在講是說我要來了解\n所以我覺得沒有解釋還好我就說姑且這可能是陳氏錯誤廠商沒有更正趕快更正但如果說你講是說這是刻意為之這樣就不對囉這不是刻意為之吧來謝謝院長那趕快改進好不好來院長另外一部分其實比較重要是明年是故宮百年\n那我們也知道是說我們有文物百選及其故事要到捷克首展我先簡單說明一下捷克它其實是一個重要的國家第一它是歐洲國家歐盟國家第二1000萬的人口但是它的觀光旅次有多少在去年2200萬它的觀光旅客是它本國人口的兩倍那換言之很多歐洲歐美旅客會喜歡選擇捷克去觀光啊\n我們的這個百年的這個競選展目前我們要前往明年9月到12月對不對我覺得這是一個重要的大事因為翠玉白菜清明上河圖這些重要文物也都會前往嘛那我們現在是不是聽說因為之前他們的眾議院以及參議院院長也都有來我們的中華民國來訪問那我們現在是不是有計劃也要邀請我們的立法院院長或副院長前往\n昨天我有跟捷克在台的代表見面他說據他了解的話就是捷方已經邀請韓國瑜院長就是說他們已經表達這樣的一個...捷方邀請韓國瑜院長我覺得這很有意義喔因為他有可能就變成是韓國瑜院長因為到目前為止他上任都還沒有出國訪問嘛那當然有沒有可能變成是明年不一定但至少以韓國瑜院長的高度還有就是捷克現在相對跟我們中華民國的關係良好\n有沒有可能韓國瑜院長也到他們的國會去做一個演講因為他的參議院議長或是眾議院議長來也都有演講嘛是不是我們也是共同努力啊那還有\n因為我們的文物翠玉白菜清明上河圖這個東西我們一講連國人可能都不一定有親眼看過那這個一講大家都知道的我相信歐美的人士也都很清楚這個文物的價值所以這是不是應該要利用這個機會把國際的民生或者是說讓觀光相關的人士也都一起去參觀所以這是不是應該不只是故宮單打獨鬥\n觀光部．交通部觀光署外交部是不是一起過來努力?院長您覺得呢?這個部分的話就是那個政委那邊已經在在在哪一位政委?使者政委這邊使者政委我們前文化部長對對對那他已經有在做規劃了是不是?他有在跟故宮要故宮去報告所以我們會去處理會去規劃他什麼時候要故宮報告?\n我們議會院長已經第一次報告過了但是只是報告那個展覽的內容對 報告展覽內容展覽內容當然是專業規劃這沒有問題啊本期現在講的是說我們怎麼樣利用這就像闖樓街的概念嘛\n所以這就像是今天我們一個國際巨星前往捷克4個月而且又是100年盛大盛世如果說他在捷克第一能夠吸引更多歐美人士前往捷克也去看我們的文物這是好第二我們能夠怎麼樣在那個利用這個\n國際巨星來把我們的比如說韓國院長邀請去來做一個我們國家的一個國立展現也是好第三怎麼樣能夠讓觀光的人士從看了我們的文物之後進一步想說啊看不夠一百件文物看不夠我想要來故宮博物院來中華民國再看這是三好啊\n所以我們才想說要交通部要外交部一起來第一次的會議的話當然跟政委報告第二次的報告的話是院長級的報告所以我們就會報告那個相關的規劃那在報告之前是不是也邀請由故宮這邊來邀集外交部邀集交通部共同來討論他們能夠出什麼力至少讓他們在明年的規劃上面也有一些外交計畫外交預算觀光預算一起共同來\n人家講說堆疊嘛堆疊上去能夠讓這個能量更加發光發熱啊一加一大於三有沒有有沒有可能是這個部分的話我們來努力好那就請院長這邊來召集外交部交通部共同來言商我們希望把這個餅做大是讓國際都看到\n謝謝委員謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.097 --> 00:00.458\n主席謝謝麻煩請蕭院長有請蕭院長\n\n00:19.386 --> 00:32.711\n院長今天故宮的部分我針對幾個層次來跟您請教首先上個月新聞媒體報導說台灣最強博物館故宮輸了故宮只排第6名院長您認為這代表什麼\n\n00:34.066 --> 00:53.356\n故宮的確有很多精進的空間可是當然沒有錯中正紀念堂要升為第一名那其中一個原因的話當然是因為國際聯管現在在整修所以整個課員的話就跑到我現在是講是說其實這代表心目中大家認為故宮是第一\n\n00:54.758 --> 01:12.108\n就我們清楚大家明白認知會認為故宮至始至終你講到博物館我覺得以我們中華民國來講你講到博物館100個人問我一定是第一個優先推薦故宮嘛那所以媒體才會講是說大家心目中的第一名但是居然是排在第6名這就代表說我們的實體參觀人數其實是下降那再來我請教\n\n01:19.571 --> 01:46.085\n我們的這個我跟觀光署這邊來調的資料其實也一樣我們這觀光旅客參觀的人數我們故宮也是第6名代表是說國外觀光客來他其實他也是往這個也沒有到故宮首選那還有前瞻預算裡面有針對故宮數位典藏庫編列了第4期有編列將近2000萬但是典藏網站瀏覽次數\n\n01:48.266 --> 02:05.278\n院長有概念嗎?從最高峰一年有300多萬次的瀏覽人數到現在今年一到七月目前幾次?跟委員報告就是的確就是網站的瀏覽數字有降低降低多少?你有怎樣?\n\n02:07.339 --> 02:28.132\n降低的比例來講我不是要做這個小學堂考試啦但是今年降低的比例非常的低到目前1到7月就我這邊同仁給的資料是54萬次從300多萬一年變到現在三分之二年過去了只有54萬次可能將近一年不會到百萬次\n\n02:28.592 --> 02:29.452\n所以是現在新的計量機制造成我們人數變少?這不太合理吧?\n\n02:59.874 --> 03:19.986\n委員好我是數位資訊室主任謝俊科第一次發言那個數量的減少有很多的原因一個原因就是最近那個計量機制從改成了GA4那另外還有很多其他的原因比如說我們的opendata大量的開放之後還有那個資料庫越改越好用之後很多那個觀眾是\n\n03:21.967 --> 03:21.987\n院長：\n\n03:41.104 --> 04:10.128\n其實本期今天提出來我們還講我們心目中的第一名是故宮但故宮不管是瀏覽次數就虛擬次數以及實體次數目前為止都是大幅衰退那你剛講到網站的部分我再提一個這兩天我們日本的友人傳訊給我他問說故宮有針對不同的國籍的人有不同的差別待遇嗎還是他覺得說日本人跟其他國籍的人對於故宮的興趣不同\n\n04:11.478 --> 04:40.247\n來我們看一下這個是我們的故宮精品網站的網頁首頁中文版沒有問題有一個這個本月主題商品來我們找英文版也有本月主題商品populartopic那換成日本版本月主題商品變了那我們再來看法文版也是一樣本月主題商品都是這一些再來看韓文版也是這樣子\n\n04:41.451 --> 05:05.748\n那我們就拉回來我這日本朋友就問我就說奇怪中文版英文版來我們看一下中文版首頁中文版月刊這一些典藏佛經正知道了英文版也是一樣典藏佛經那我們看日文版片蛋糕是日本人比較愛吃蛋糕還是故宮覺得說日本人\n\n05:06.880 --> 05:35.995\n消費力而且這個蛋糕我們再點進去他不能訂他說貨到才會通知你所以他是一個沒有上架的商品跟委員報告的確故宮的網站在即時性我們在即時性上面是有改進的空間的確對但是怎麼會有差別待遇因為日本朋友問我我真的第一時間回答不出來我就說我來了解一下我也實際去操作這個是我早上請同仁在操作的畫面\n\n05:37.068 --> 05:57.582\n所以部長欸院長我今天提出來只是講是說當網站沒有那麼的螺絲沒有那麼酸緊精緻度連這個部分都會有出錯的時候我們真的很難是說你之後接下來數位前瞻還有第5期希望要再編2700萬我們該不該支持因為那個數位網站的話我們是我要幫你這個部分的話我們會會會所以這是廠商的責任我們的責任\n\n06:06.257 --> 06:20.629\n好來簡單補充好不好因為還有一個議題因為中文的出版品的話我們會比較針對中國的遊客所以說商城在行銷的時候還是會針對不同的遊客我覺得你這樣越解釋越糟喔請謹慎\n\n06:22.210 --> 06:41.577\n因為這樣意思日本的遊客就覺得是說我們怎樣日本人比較不愛文物愛吃愛蛋糕所以你給中文版你給英文版你給法文版都是我們故宮的文物然後結果到給日本的時候你這樣有沒有歧視的意味啊是日本朋友問我所以說我在講是說我要來了解\n\n06:42.737 --> 07:02.410\n所以我覺得沒有解釋還好我就說姑且這可能是陳氏錯誤廠商沒有更正趕快更正但如果說你講是說這是刻意為之這樣就不對囉這不是刻意為之吧來謝謝院長那趕快改進好不好來院長另外一部分其實比較重要是明年是故宮百年\n\n07:02.930 --> 07:31.488\n那我們也知道是說我們有文物百選及其故事要到捷克首展我先簡單說明一下捷克它其實是一個重要的國家第一它是歐洲國家歐盟國家第二1000萬的人口但是它的觀光旅次有多少在去年2200萬它的觀光旅客是它本國人口的兩倍那換言之很多歐洲歐美旅客會喜歡選擇捷克去觀光啊\n\n07:32.248 --> 07:57.197\n我們的這個百年的這個競選展目前我們要前往明年9月到12月對不對我覺得這是一個重要的大事因為翠玉白菜清明上河圖這些重要文物也都會前往嘛那我們現在是不是聽說因為之前他們的眾議院以及參議院院長也都有來我們的中華民國來訪問那我們現在是不是有計劃也要邀請我們的立法院院長或副院長前往\n\n07:58.130 --> 08:25.979\n昨天我有跟捷克在台的代表見面他說據他了解的話就是捷方已經邀請韓國瑜院長就是說他們已經表達這樣的一個...捷方邀請韓國瑜院長我覺得這很有意義喔因為他有可能就變成是韓國瑜院長因為到目前為止他上任都還沒有出國訪問嘛那當然有沒有可能變成是明年不一定但至少以韓國瑜院長的高度還有就是捷克現在相對跟我們中華民國的關係良好\n\n08:26.559 --> 08:37.684\n有沒有可能韓國瑜院長也到他們的國會去做一個演講因為他的參議院議長或是眾議院議長來也都有演講嘛是不是我們也是共同努力啊那還有\n\n08:43.846 --> 09:09.521\n因為我們的文物翠玉白菜清明上河圖這個東西我們一講連國人可能都不一定有親眼看過那這個一講大家都知道的我相信歐美的人士也都很清楚這個文物的價值所以這是不是應該要利用這個機會把國際的民生或者是說讓觀光相關的人士也都一起去參觀所以這是不是應該不只是故宮單打獨鬥\n\n09:11.082 --> 09:32.657\n觀光部．交通部觀光署外交部是不是一起過來努力?院長您覺得呢?這個部分的話就是那個政委那邊已經在在在哪一位政委?使者政委這邊使者政委我們前文化部長對對對那他已經有在做規劃了是不是?他有在跟故宮要故宮去報告所以我們會去處理會去規劃他什麼時候要故宮報告?\n\n09:38.421 --> 09:55.653\n我們議會院長已經第一次報告過了但是只是報告那個展覽的內容對報告展覽內容展覽內容當然是專業規劃這沒有問題啊本期現在講的是說我們怎麼樣利用這就像闖樓街的概念嘛\n\n09:55.933 --> 10:11.931\n所以這就像是今天我們一個國際巨星前往捷克4個月而且又是100年盛大盛世如果說他在捷克第一能夠吸引更多歐美人士前往捷克也去看我們的文物這是好第二我們能夠怎麼樣在那個利用這個\n\n10:13.432 --> 10:33.022\n國際巨星來把我們的比如說韓國院長邀請去來做一個我們國家的一個國立展現也是好第三怎麼樣能夠讓觀光的人士從看了我們的文物之後進一步想說啊看不夠一百件文物看不夠我想要來故宮博物院來中華民國再看這是三好啊\n\n10:34.371 --> 11:01.451\n所以我們才想說要交通部要外交部一起來第一次的會議的話當然跟政委報告第二次的報告的話是院長級的報告所以我們就會報告那個相關的規劃那在報告之前是不是也邀請由故宮這邊來邀集外交部邀集交通部共同來討論他們能夠出什麼力至少讓他們在明年的規劃上面也有一些外交計畫外交預算觀光預算一起共同來\n\n11:02.608 --> 11:22.010\n人家講說堆疊嘛堆疊上去能夠讓這個能量更加發光發熱啊一加一大於三有沒有有沒有可能是這個部分的話我們來努力好那就請院長這邊來召集外交部交通部共同來言商我們希望把這個餅做大是讓國際都看到\n\n11:23.116 --> 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