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00:05:22,714\n其實價錢不便宜欸350塊錢是不便宜的所以你當初大張旗鼓講這麼多當然你可以說這是不是你故宮館但是我要提醒當初你有花了這麼多錢你也配合宣傳也這麼大3600萬元整合動線9000多萬元蓋個景觀橋但是你們當初信誓旦旦說可以帶動更多的觀光客有嗎院長有嗎數據來這邊呈現在這個地方啊\n\n14\n00:05:32,692 --> 00:05:50,204\n的確在故宮整個國際化的情況的話是並沒有更好所以這個部分的話也是我們未來要努力的方向因為故宮這兩年來其實我們展覽辦得非常好可是為什麼沒有辦法吸引更多的民眾我就說嘛我剛剛講的那都是很細節的要吸引觀光客但是國外觀光客可是你卻沒有辦法像過去韓國來說以前是去年的北院是26萬人但是到南院的時候只有個位數而已\n\n15\n00:06:02,512 --> 00:06:02,713\n拜訪委員\n\n16\n00:06:21,559 --> 00:06:40,011\n呃上面的話就就螢幕上面的話是故宮的所謂的人氣三寶那當然中間的話毛功鼎是國寶然後崔白菜肉心是好了我們不管了我現在只是提醒了當然有很多人有不同的觀點他們認為正寶正正院的三寶最好是離就是在本院不要動因為大銀博物館對\n\n17\n00:06:42,592 --> 00:07:00,815\n對啦我是說過去很多世界各國都認為政殿之寶就要不要亂移動但是你現在為了要吸引更多人來那你當然把移到這個嘉義我們只是提醒因為你根據故宮的這個南院來調查的話說實在的出遊家庭互動比較多啦學習也在贊成對於展覽有興趣的在南院\n\n18\n00:07:01,976 --> 00:07:25,116\n您的問卷裡面只有14.2%嘛所以我們也只希望你要搬過去請你小心一點包裝搬運簽收要小心不要出差錯高速公路好不好然後拿這個部分裡面這個是跟國外一些東西是不太一樣的這是本期再次的一個提醒跟各位報告三寶到故宮的話我們會整合那個航空公司然後高鐵然後跟街頭跟旅館然後變成是一個套裝\n\n19\n00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:48,019\n拜託提醒一下大家都要來看這個政院的三寶當他離開北院到南院的時候很多人遊客這麼多到北院看不到那三寶的時候你這樣的訊息你這樣的宣傳你還是院長還是要非常的注意一下好不好然後呢我們回到北院的這個所謂的玻璃圍牆你看嘛你說你不是你\n\n20\n00:07:48,379 --> 00:08:09,000\n大家認為他會破壞這歷史建築的一個外觀然後目前為止還在審議當中那你院長說你不是堅持設立這個玻璃入口亭那你是院長啊你說不是你也沒有很堅持啊你不能你不是很堅持是誰在這麼堅持根文報告因為當初的招標的時候是有4家廠商然後\n\n21\n00:08:09,921 --> 00:08:28,535\n這一個有做入口亭的廠商他得標得標之後的話他理應理約的話他就要做做去送審的話臺北市第一次沒有過可是會議記錄上面的第二點好了院長那你讚不讚同啦院長你讚不讚同啦大玻璃亭你到底讚不讚同不是個人的問題這是一個專業的判斷\n\n22\n00:08:31,057 --> 00:08:44,335\n我只告訴你山上有颱風我們高雄裡面即使是非常厚重的一個玻璃大家都用擋著因為你從來不知道臺北也有這玻璃今天有這麼多不管是文資人士很多博物館的人士都有這樣的意見我還是請院長你要本職專業\n\n23\n00:08:49,841 --> 00:09:01,490\n當然大家都知道但是我是說他以如果還有這麼樣子的不管是從哪一個角度來去看已經有這麼多的爭議然後呢你說也不是你決定完全尊重專業我只告訴你這件事情到目前為止都還沒有一個定論你還是\n\n24\n00:09:03,732 --> 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shuttle comes every 20 minutes所以到底是幾十分鐘還是三十分鐘你的中文班次給我寫30到底英文\n259003\t269146\t寫的還有像是你叫comes every 20 minutes而且你而且你告訴我們那時候大張旗鼓的我們都寄予非常大期望的這五分車有沒有糖廠的這個五分車那時候的我們的院長啊還有副院長全部過去然後告訴我們我們可以我們可以振興多少的這個嘉義的觀光但是你會看看\n279808\t305601\t現在來說只剩下平常要預約現在只剩下週末的時間而且外國人還不知道你中文有五分車外國的這個所謂的這個告訴大家怎麼樣到故宮說並沒有這個英文的一個一個一個簡介所以你如何吸引到外國觀光客location location location這是我們買房地產的但同樣的交通交通交通你在南運的時候你竟然沒有讓步外國人都不會去而且班次很少而且你知道多少錢嗎\n306701\t322714\t其實價錢不便宜欸350塊錢是不便宜的所以你當初大張旗鼓講這麼多當然你可以說這是不是你故宮館但是我要提醒當初你有花了這麼多錢你也配合宣傳也這麼大3600萬元整合動線9000多萬元蓋個景觀橋但是你們當初信誓旦旦說可以帶動更多的觀光客有嗎院長有嗎數據來這邊呈現在這個地方啊\n332692\t350204\t的確在故宮整個國際化的情況的話是並沒有更好所以這個部分的話也是我們未來要努力的方向因為故宮這兩年來其實我們展覽辦得非常好可是為什麼沒有辦法吸引更多的民眾我就說嘛我剛剛講的那都是很細節的要吸引觀光客但是國外觀光客可是你卻沒有辦法像過去韓國來說以前是去年的北院是26萬人但是到南院的時候只有個位數而已\n362512\t362713\t拜訪委員\n381559\t400011\t呃上面的話就就螢幕上面的話是故宮的所謂的人氣三寶那當然中間的話毛功鼎是國寶然後崔白菜肉心是好了我們不管了我現在只是提醒了當然有很多人有不同的觀點他們認為正寶正正院的三寶最好是離就是在本院不要動因為大銀博物館對\n402592\t420815\t對啦 我是說過去很多世界各國都認為政殿之寶就要不要亂移動但是你現在為了要吸引更多人來那你當然把移到這個嘉義我們只是提醒因為你根據故宮的這個南院來調查的話說實在的出遊家庭互動比較多啦學習也在贊成對於展覽有興趣的在南院\n421976\t445116\t您的問卷裡面只有14.2%嘛所以我們也只希望你要搬過去請你小心一點包裝搬運簽收要小心不要出差錯高速公路好不好然後拿這個部分裡面這個是跟國外一些東西是不太一樣的這是本期再次的一個提醒跟各位報告三寶到故宮的話我們會整合那個航空公司然後高鐵然後跟街頭跟旅館然後變成是一個套裝\n448880\t468019\t拜託提醒一下大家都要來看這個政院的三寶當他離開北院到南院的時候很多人遊客這麼多到北院看不到那三寶的時候你這樣的訊息你這樣的宣傳你還是院長還是要非常的注意一下好不好然後呢我們回到北院的這個所謂的玻璃圍牆你看嘛你說你不是你\n468379\t489000\t大家認為他會破壞這歷史建築的一個外觀然後目前為止還在審議當中那你院長說你不是堅持設立這個玻璃入口亭那你是院長啊你說不是你也沒有很堅持啊你不能你不是很堅持是誰在這麼堅持根文報告因為當初的招標的時候是有4家廠商然後\n489921\t508535\t這一個有做入口亭的廠商他得標得標之後的話他理應理約的話他就要做做去送審的話臺北市第一次沒有過可是會議記錄上面的第二點好了院長那你讚不讚同啦院長你讚不讚同啦大玻璃亭你到底讚不讚同不是個人的問題這是一個專業的判斷\n511057\t524335\t我只告訴你山上有颱風我們高雄裡面即使是非常厚重的一個玻璃大家都用擋著因為你從來不知道臺北也有這玻璃今天有這麼多不管是文資人士很多博物館的人士都有這樣的意見我還是請院長你要本職專業\n529841\t541490\t當然大家都知道但是我是說他以如果還有這麼樣子的不管是從哪一個角度來去看已經有這麼多的爭議然後呢你說也不是你決定完全尊重專業我只告訴你這件事情到目前為止都還沒有一個定論你還是\n543732\t543752\t謝謝委員\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我們是不是請蕭院長請蕭院長\n委員長我想剛剛孟楷委員也特別關注因為故宮明年就是100週年所以百年故宮是值得期待的那我記得我以前在第9任當這個教育文化委員的時候每次提到故宮我覺得那是我們故宮非常大的一個驕傲因為它不管是外國旅客的觀光或大家的喜愛度其實都是非常高的但是數據會說話剛剛孟楷已經特別提到了今年暑假全國的博物館\n指根國務院來比故宮是排第7這故宮是排第7我很難想像故宮竟然輸給我們臺灣科學教育館那以外國觀光客來說這是故宮存在一個非常重要的一個價值你看他的喜好度是下降的然後來台觀光客的排名過去在105年的時候我覺得故宮都是排前三但是你現在來說的話呢如果108的話大概故宮是可以排第9到106到108但你會發現他的喜好\n愛度逐年下降我覺得這是院長你特別應該要去注意的因為我們要吸引觀光客我們再來看如果105年的走訪的景點是第三那為什麼近年來故宮的人氣會下跌你很簡單的你自己分析的理由是什麼\n嗯,因為博物館在整個旅遊生態上面的話就是比較屬於後面一點怎麼會呢?以前都是前三啊以前都是前三啊所以說它不應該是一個旅遊上面但是在旅遊的一個興旺的\n一百五年的時候呢我們剛剛提到外國觀客的吸引率是非常高的一百五年的北越他大概是外籍訪客大概占65%\n﹏﹏\n﹗﹗\n所以你看過去來說我們新南向的時候我們也在南越舉辦了很多亞洲藝術節但是你會發現一般來說東南亞旅客完全不買單因為在他們自己的國家看就好了為什麼要到這個地方所以你過去辦了泰國展辦了很多的展其實是很多人是會有一些的批評的我們再往下看因為時間很短那你如果去觀光客的話院長你可以告訴我嗎你如果去觀光客\n你去了北院之後呢你會去想去南院嗎?這比例高不高?\n現在越來越多的國際遊客尤其是專業的博物館人士都到南院因為他們發現南院是﹖好吧好啦你如果說這麼多人到南院去你告訴我如果從桃園機場出來的話你怎麼到南院往前面一個你怎麼到南院這的確是當初在規劃重要的一個文化設施沒有去完整考量的一個配套那你現在想到改變的方式了嗎\n你這樣做從高鐵做到嘉義太保出來之後來我院長你有沒有去考慮過你的接駁班次當中你的接駁班次一般來說你只有中文表你沒有英文而且你英文寫的也很奇怪你的班次表是30分鐘是一般30分鐘是一般但是你的英文裡面的schedule裡面寫the shuttle comes every 20 minutes所以到底是幾十分鐘還是三十分鐘你的中文班次給我寫30到底英文\n寫的還有像是你叫comes every 20 minutes而且你而且你告訴我們那時候大張旗鼓的我們都寄予非常大期望的這五分車有沒有糖廠的這個五分車那時候的我們的院長啊還有副院長全部過去然後告訴我們我們可以我們可以振興多少的這個嘉義的觀光但是你會看看\n現在來說只剩下平常要預約現在只剩下週末的時間而且外國人還不知道你中文有五分車外國的這個所謂的這個告訴大家怎麼樣到故宮說並沒有這個英文的一個一個一個簡介所以你如何吸引到外國觀光客location location location這是我們買房地產的但同樣的交通交通交通你在南運的時候你竟然沒有讓步外國人都不會去而且班次很少而且你知道多少錢嗎\n其實價錢不便宜欸350塊錢是不便宜的所以你當初大張旗鼓講這麼多當然你可以說這是不是你故宮館但是我要提醒當初你有花了這麼多錢你也配合宣傳也這麼大3600萬元整合動線9000多萬元蓋個景觀橋但是你們當初信誓旦旦說可以帶動更多的觀光客有嗎院長有嗎數據來這邊呈現在這個地方啊\n的確在故宮整個國際化的情況的話是並沒有更好所以這個部分的話也是我們未來要努力的方向因為故宮這兩年來其實我們展覽辦得非常好可是為什麼沒有辦法吸引更多的民眾我就說嘛我剛剛講的那都是很細節的要吸引觀光客但是國外觀光客可是你卻沒有辦法像過去韓國來說以前是去年的北院是26萬人但是到南院的時候只有個位數而已\n拜訪委員\n呃上面的話就就螢幕上面的話是故宮的所謂的人氣三寶那當然中間的話毛功鼎是國寶然後崔白菜肉心是好了我們不管了我現在只是提醒了當然有很多人有不同的觀點他們認為正寶正正院的三寶最好是離就是在本院不要動因為大銀博物館對\n對啦 我是說過去很多世界各國都認為政殿之寶就要不要亂移動但是你現在為了要吸引更多人來那你當然把移到這個嘉義我們只是提醒因為你根據故宮的這個南院來調查的話說實在的出遊家庭互動比較多啦學習也在贊成對於展覽有興趣的在南院\n您的問卷裡面只有14.2%嘛所以我們也只希望你要搬過去請你小心一點包裝搬運簽收要小心不要出差錯高速公路好不好然後拿這個部分裡面這個是跟國外一些東西是不太一樣的這是本期再次的一個提醒跟各位報告三寶到故宮的話我們會整合那個航空公司然後高鐵然後跟街頭跟旅館然後變成是一個套裝\n拜託提醒一下大家都要來看這個政院的三寶當他離開北院到南院的時候很多人遊客這麼多到北院看不到那三寶的時候你這樣的訊息你這樣的宣傳你還是院長還是要非常的注意一下好不好然後呢我們回到北院的這個所謂的玻璃圍牆你看嘛你說你不是你\n大家認為他會破壞這歷史建築的一個外觀然後目前為止還在審議當中那你院長說你不是堅持設立這個玻璃入口亭那你是院長啊你說不是你也沒有很堅持啊你不能你不是很堅持是誰在這麼堅持根文報告因為當初的招標的時候是有4家廠商然後\n這一個有做入口亭的廠商他得標得標之後的話他理應理約的話他就要做做去送審的話臺北市第一次沒有過可是會議記錄上面的第二點好了院長那你讚不讚同啦院長你讚不讚同啦大玻璃亭你到底讚不讚同不是個人的問題這是一個專業的判斷\n我只告訴你山上有颱風我們高雄裡面即使是非常厚重的一個玻璃大家都用擋著因為你從來不知道臺北也有這玻璃今天有這麼多不管是文資人士很多博物館的人士都有這樣的意見我還是請院長你要本職專業\n當然大家都知道但是我是說他以如果還有這麼樣子的不管是從哪一個角度來去看已經有這麼多的爭議然後呢你說也不是你決定完全尊重專業我只告訴你這件事情到目前為止都還沒有一個定論你還是\n謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.022 --> 00:05.467\n好謝謝主席我們是不是請蕭院長請蕭院長\n\n00:11.380 --> 00:38.581\n委員長我想剛剛孟楷委員也特別關注因為故宮明年就是100週年所以百年故宮是值得期待的那我記得我以前在第9任當這個教育文化委員的時候每次提到故宮我覺得那是我們故宮非常大的一個驕傲因為它不管是外國旅客的觀光或大家的喜愛度其實都是非常高的但是數據會說話剛剛孟楷已經特別提到了今年暑假全國的博物館\n\n00:39.522 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