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\"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:07,184 --> 00:00:13,472\n謝謝主席請彭主委與各列席官員彭主委\n\n2\n00:00:16,642 --> 00:00:33,995\n林委員早彭主委早我想今天專題討論的是政府推動臺灣成為亞洲資產管理中心那本席想請教主委幾個問題一這個主委針對亞洲資產管理中心你說軍管會這個\n\n3\n00:00:36,497 --> 00:00:54,810\n提出階段性的目標兩年有趕四年有變六年有成以六年期的計畫來達成亞洲資產管理中心的政策目標我請問主委政府是不是有非成立不可的理由\n\n4\n00:00:55,871 --> 00:00:56,391\n主委\n\n5\n00:01:26,483 --> 00:01:49,230\n政府如果決心要成立你是不是有把握在你任內讓政策目標完成而不會到最後就流於指紋樓梯響不見人下來的這種口號政策是謝謝委員我想這次如果各位有仔細檢視我們提出的亞洲資產管理中心可能跟過去有些比較不同我們這次非常的務實\n\n6\n00:01:50,330 --> 00:02:10,103\n我想即便是任何人接棒都可以非常容易的去執行我們這樣的一個規劃我想這個是一個持續的工作這也不是一個簡單的工作有很多國家他可能花了二三十年來建制但是我們剛才希望說我們能夠在兩年的時候呢讓大家可以有感覺到我們整個制度有所改變\n\n7\n00:02:11,044 --> 00:02:39,148\n那所以我們會透過大量法規的鬆綁讓大家知道說臺灣在這方面我們有高度的承諾四年有變我們是希望說我們整個在資產管理規模能夠有顯著的增加六年有成是希望我們臺灣的努力已經可以得到國際上面的肯定說臺灣已經朝向這個方向來發展我想整個國際的金融的競爭是持續的但是我覺得這件事情我覺得一棒接一棒我想這應該是臺灣未來金融市場努力以及國家發展的一個方向\n\n8\n00:02:39,508 --> 00:03:06,982\n主委媒體報導金融這個金管會選定高雄市政府合作推動高雄成為亞洲資產管理中心的金融特區設置計畫讓臺灣的有錢人以後去高雄不用去新加坡那我請問現階段除了高雄之外你認為臺灣還有哪些城市適合設置的金融特區\n\n9\n00:03:08,912 --> 00:03:26,601\n主要是這次會選擇跟高雄合作是因為高雄過去在3年來一直都有針對這個計畫在有一定的基礎再加上高雄他有非常多的條件比如說他有灣區還有自由貿易港還有國際港還有距離比如說我們在整個南北平衡都有很多的考慮\n\n10\n00:03:27,381 --> 00:03:54,939\n我想這主要是接近日本在發展所謂的各個地方政府與中央政府合作推廣這個資產管理的一個概念我想臺灣有非常多的城市都非常適合發展各自的特色像這是我剛才跟大家報告的內容因為高雄市他願意提供非常多地方政府願意提供的誘因我想這部分也是各個地方政府如果願意來發展的話可以盤點自己的優勢我們中央這邊金管會一定會全力配合\n\n11\n00:03:55,399 --> 00:04:10,468\n所以說彭主委你還是認為高雄市最適合就以現階段我們是做個實驗區希望高雄能夠成功然後能夠複製在我們各個地方各地方縣市如果說也有這樣的規劃我想我們都可以來實施\n\n12\n00:04:12,429 --> 00:04:29,223\n主委對於金管會規劃亞洲資產管理中心的願景前經濟部長王美花表示臺灣先天有困難因為地緣壓力存在外資要進來會遇到臺灣先天的問題\n\n13\n00:04:32,566 --> 00:04:32,926\n跟委員報告．我想\n\n14\n00:04:49,311 --> 00:05:03,748\n臺灣的狀況大家都非常的清楚但是呢臺灣在這個狀況之下也發展出非常多有優勢的產業我想資金呢他有各種不同的面向臺灣要發展自己有特色的我們並不是複製比如說我們常提到的像新加坡\n\n15\n00:05:09,254 --> 00:05:20,304\n臺灣有它先天的限制但是它有它非常多先天的優勢我想我們這次是非常務實的政策就希望說怎麼樣發揮臺灣的優勢能夠彌補我們相對競爭的劣勢我們覺得還是可以非常有為\n\n16\n00:05:25,549 --> 00:05:47,257\n那我請教你如果像王美花所說的真的是有他先天地緣的一個壓力的存在那這個先天困難會不會影響到整個中心的推動會不會我想推動這個東西困難一定有的如果簡單的話就輪不到現在金管會來做我想這個確實是有很多問題要來克服\n\n17\n00:05:47,697 --> 00:06:09,283\n我們有先天的劣勢像剛才講很多不可改變的像比如說我們也盤點過去其他地區發展這個過程當中它有幾個優勢比如說他們有非常好的租稅的誘因有非常好的比如說外匯的彈性再來他們有語言的優勢我想臺灣在這個狀況相對之下是這樣劣勢的還有就是我們有特殊的地緣關係的問題這當然是\n\n18\n00:06:11,384 --> 00:06:19,577\n但是在這些限制之下臺灣還是可以發展出非常具有韌性的一些金融活動我想我們就是希望透過發揮我們這個優勢我們非常務實的讓我們的實力展現出來\n\n19\n00:06:24,483 --> 00:06:44,283\n主委基於先天困難的考量政府會不會為了成立而限縮原先計畫中心成立的這種規模會不會我想其實這個亞洲資產管理中心我們現在的策略是這樣我們是希望我們各個金融產業都有現在在做的事情\n\n20\n00:06:44,864 --> 00:07:04,756\n我們希望他們在這個計畫之下加大串聯所謂加大串聯就是希望說把我們現在你們現在業務把它做大再來彼此串聯彼此互相協助整個拉伸整個臺灣整體金融業的發展我想這樣是可以克服我們現在很多很多的困難我們也不需要去排擠到其他的計畫\n\n21\n00:07:06,001 --> 00:07:20,041\n彭主委政府既然規劃推動想必應該要對先天困難的存在也應該有因應的一個對策請問你有什麼因應的對策\n\n22\n00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:38,482\n是,謝謝委員的指正就是我剛才講就是說我們有優勢比如說臺灣其實有估計超過比如說我們民間的財富估計將近有200兆這是我們看到很多報告的估計但是這些呢確實很多呢不是由臺灣的資產管理業者或是由臺灣人來管理這些資產\n\n23\n00:07:39,423 --> 00:08:01,504\n那我想說未來這一部分的話我們要怎麼克服其實我們第一個法規鬆綁我們過去確實在在很多的這方面的法規我們有很多可以考慮所以我們在第一年我們自己金管會盤點在前兩年希望能夠鬆綁超過50個我們自己所主管的法規命令我想這就是一個我們來克服這困難很重要的點那當然就是再來我們希望投資臺灣\n\n24\n00:08:02,405 --> 00:08:03,606\n主委,那你認為政府的對策辦法有幾層把握來克服整個先天上的困難\n\n25\n00:08:21,889 --> 00:08:39,172\n我想假設委員你問我我是覺得我是很有信心的最好是有信心濟南號稱亞洲資產管理中心那我請問主委我們有什麼條件你認為比新加坡、香港更吸引外資\n\n26\n00:08:40,410 --> 00:08:52,826\n而且能夠消除對臺灣先天困難的餘力也就是投資人面對中國的文攻武嚇還是要前赴後繼一無反顧把資產送到臺灣你認為呢\n\n27\n00:08:55,537 --> 00:09:09,780\n報告委員我想主要是我這次在很多地方我強調我並沒有要成為新加坡第二我要成為臺灣的特色的資產管理中心那你認為因為我們現在講實在話這一段時間從賴總統上任以後到現在幾乎這個對岸跟我們\n\n28\n00:09:17,182 --> 00:09:26,943\n不但是沒有很好的這個大家互動甚至於搞到兵兇戰為你認為你成立這個中心人家會來投資嗎\n\n29\n00:09:29,085 --> 00:09:54,623\n確實陳主委員講的有些人會在意但是我們在整個規劃過程當中其實資金很多面向有很多人考慮的不只有這個東西比如說臺灣有個優勢就是他有非常多具有競爭力的投資機會我想最近在國際間走訪我們都發現說大家對臺灣的投資的興趣遠過於以往我想資金有很多層面我們要吸引適合我們的我們並不是那我請教你那個彭主委\n\n30\n00:09:55,023 --> 00:09:55,143\n主委\n\n31\n00:10:19,830 --> 00:10:40,822\n其實跨國性的金融或資產管理中心先前的條件就是要有一個穩定安全的政治環境才沒有危害投資的這種餘力那以下有幾個幾點我請問主委主委你說推動亞洲這個資產管理中心並非要取代哪個國家\n\n32\n00:10:43,784 --> 00:11:06,921\n並舉日本模式大量提倡新資本主義以資產管理來立國那我請問主委新資產主義是日本前首相岸田文雄在倒台以前他的政策你認為可以借鏡的地方在哪裡還是你有把握新資本主義在日本失敗在臺灣一定能夠成功嗎\n\n33\n00:11:07,581 --> 00:11:35,823\n其實報告委員其實這個在日本並沒有失敗因為它實際上這還是持續在進行的一個計畫我想主要是臺灣跟日本有很多地方相似比如說我們都面臨到高齡化還有就是說我們的財富集中在一些比較保守的投資上面這些都是相同的我們希望透過這個計畫導引民眾有更多的資產管理的意識除了是因應未來高齡化社會的發展也是希望說我們能夠有更積極的投資的這樣的意識能夠投入更多的\n\n34\n00:11:37,964 --> 00:11:59,555\n主委啊針對三階段的目標兩年有有感的目標包括法規鬆綁市場調整跨部會的協調那請問主委推動跨部會協調業務是以哪一個或哪幾個部會的業務最多或者是最有挑戰性您的看法呢\n\n35\n00:11:59,955 --> 00:12:22,483\n其實在過去我們跟各部會接觸的立場各部會都非常的支持也提供了非常多他們在各個部會專業的考量像這次我們在TISA的推動的時候我們過去的思維其實上是比較不符合所謂的租稅專業財政部就給我們很多的建議我覺得這個就是一個很好的例證像比如說我們跟其他部會裡面的接觸過程當中都得到非常非常多的意見\n\n36\n00:12:23,143 --> 00:12:27,186\n所以說法規鬆綁不只是只有金管會有法規要鬆綁也是要跨部會的法規來配合那當然\n\n37\n00:12:41,936 --> 00:13:00,341\n主委最後一個議題蔡總統在執政期間政府推動過境外資金匯回當時也有相關法規及配套現在換代總統執政政府又以推動亞洲資產管理中心的名義要修法來鬆綁\n\n38\n00:13:01,561 --> 00:13:01,581\n其實這\n\n39\n00:13:18,879 --> 00:13:44,769\n設立中心只是替臺灣有錢人找到一條可以規劃海外資金流通的管道其實委員您誤會了其實我們剛才講像比如我們TISA就是全民參與我們這次資產管理是涵蓋所有的金融業所有的客戶那個高淨值客戶只是其中的一部分不是全部該資金匯回的目的跟這次完全不同我想這是一個金融全面提升刺激經濟的一個方案\n\n40\n00:13:45,393 --> 00:14:12,328\n我希望這個主委就是針對這三階段兩年有成的目標包括法規鬆綁調整等等這個我希望這個我們金管會你多琢磨多用一點這是我們會努力我們一定會全力來支持全力來努力謝謝謝謝林德副委員謝謝彭主委接著我們請登記第二位的吳秉瑞委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7184\t13472\t謝謝主席請彭主委與各列席官員彭主委\n16642\t33995\t林委員早彭主委早我想今天專題討論的是政府推動臺灣成為亞洲資產管理中心那本席想請教主委幾個問題一這個主委針對亞洲資產管理中心你說軍管會這個\n36497\t54810\t提出階段性的目標兩年有趕四年有變六年有成以六年期的計畫來達成亞洲資產管理中心的政策目標我請問主委政府是不是有非成立不可的理由\n55871\t56391\t主委\n86483\t109230\t政府如果決心要成立你是不是有把握在你任內讓政策目標完成而不會到最後就流於指紋樓梯響不見人下來的這種口號政策是謝謝委員我想這次如果各位有仔細檢視我們提出的亞洲資產管理中心可能跟過去有些比較不同我們這次非常的務實\n110330\t130103\t我想即便是任何人接棒都可以非常容易的去執行我們這樣的一個規劃我想這個是一個持續的工作這也不是一個簡單的工作有很多國家他可能花了二三十年來建制但是我們剛才希望說我們能夠在兩年的時候呢讓大家可以有感覺到我們整個制度有所改變\n131044\t159148\t那所以我們會透過大量法規的鬆綁讓大家知道說臺灣在這方面我們有高度的承諾四年有變我們是希望說我們整個在資產管理規模能夠有顯著的增加六年有成是希望我們臺灣的努力已經可以得到國際上面的肯定說臺灣已經朝向這個方向來發展我想整個國際的金融的競爭是持續的但是我覺得這件事情我覺得一棒接一棒我想這應該是臺灣未來金融市場努力以及國家發展的一個方向\n159508\t186982\t主委媒體報導金融這個金管會選定高雄市政府合作推動高雄成為亞洲資產管理中心的金融特區設置計畫讓臺灣的有錢人以後去高雄不用去新加坡那我請問現階段除了高雄之外你認為臺灣還有哪些城市適合設置的金融特區\n188912\t206601\t主要是這次會選擇跟高雄合作是因為高雄過去在3年來一直都有針對這個計畫在有一定的基礎再加上高雄他有非常多的條件比如說他有灣區還有自由貿易港還有國際港還有距離比如說我們在整個南北平衡都有很多的考慮\n207381\t234939\t我想這主要是接近日本在發展所謂的各個地方政府與中央政府合作推廣這個資產管理的一個概念我想臺灣有非常多的城市都非常適合發展各自的特色像這是我剛才跟大家報告的內容因為高雄市他願意提供非常多地方政府願意提供的誘因我想這部分也是各個地方政府如果願意來發展的話可以盤點自己的優勢我們中央這邊金管會一定會全力配合\n235399\t250468\t所以說彭主委你還是認為高雄市最適合就以現階段我們是做個實驗區希望高雄能夠成功然後能夠複製在我們各個地方各地方縣市如果說也有這樣的規劃我想我們都可以來實施\n252429\t269223\t主委對於金管會規劃亞洲資產管理中心的願景前經濟部長王美花表示臺灣先天有困難因為地緣壓力存在外資要進來會遇到臺灣先天的問題\n272566\t272926\t跟委員報告．我想\n289311\t303748\t臺灣的狀況大家都非常的清楚但是呢臺灣在這個狀況之下也發展出非常多有優勢的產業我想資金呢他有各種不同的面向臺灣要發展自己有特色的我們並不是複製比如說我們常提到的像新加坡\n309254\t320304\t臺灣有它先天的限制但是它有它非常多先天的優勢我想我們這次是非常務實的政策就希望說怎麼樣發揮臺灣的優勢能夠彌補我們相對競爭的劣勢我們覺得還是可以非常有為\n325549\t347257\t那我請教你如果像王美花所說的真的是有他先天地緣的一個壓力的存在那這個先天困難會不會影響到整個中心的推動會不會我想推動這個東西困難一定有的如果簡單的話就輪不到現在金管會來做我想這個確實是有很多問題要來克服\n347697\t369283\t我們有先天的劣勢像剛才講很多不可改變的像比如說我們也盤點過去其他地區發展這個過程當中它有幾個優勢比如說他們有非常好的租稅的誘因有非常好的比如說外匯的彈性再來他們有語言的優勢我想臺灣在這個狀況相對之下是這樣劣勢的還有就是我們有特殊的地緣關係的問題這當然是\n371384\t379577\t但是在這些限制之下臺灣還是可以發展出非常具有韌性的一些金融活動我想我們就是希望透過發揮我們這個優勢我們非常務實的讓我們的實力展現出來\n384483\t404283\t主委 基於先天困難的考量政府會不會為了成立而限縮原先計畫中心成立的這種規模會不會我想其實這個亞洲資產管理中心我們現在的策略是這樣我們是希望我們各個金融產業都有現在在做的事情\n404864\t424756\t我們希望他們在這個計畫之下加大串聯所謂加大串聯就是希望說把我們現在你們現在業務把它做大再來彼此串聯彼此互相協助整個拉伸整個臺灣整體金融業的發展我想這樣是可以克服我們現在很多很多的困難我們也不需要去排擠到其他的計畫\n426001\t440041\t彭主委政府既然規劃推動想必應該要對先天困難的存在也應該有因應的一個對策請問你有什麼因應的對策\n440600\t458482\t是,謝謝委員的指正就是我剛才講就是說我們有優勢比如說臺灣其實有估計超過比如說我們民間的財富估計將近有200兆這是我們看到很多報告的估計但是這些呢確實很多呢不是由臺灣的資產管理業者或是由臺灣人來管理這些資產\n459423\t481504\t那我想說未來這一部分的話我們要怎麼克服其實我們第一個法規鬆綁我們過去確實在在很多的這方面的法規我們有很多可以考慮所以我們在第一年我們自己金管會盤點在前兩年希望能夠鬆綁超過50個我們自己所主管的法規命令我想這就是一個我們來克服這困難很重要的點那當然就是再來我們希望投資臺灣\n482405\t483606\t主委,那你認為政府的對策辦法有幾層把握來克服整個先天上的困難\n501889\t519172\t我想假設委員你問我我是覺得我是很有信心的最好是有信心濟南號稱亞洲資產管理中心那我請問主委我們有什麼條件你認為比新加坡、香港更吸引外資\n520410\t532826\t而且能夠消除對臺灣先天困難的餘力也就是投資人面對中國的文攻武嚇還是要前赴後繼一無反顧把資產送到臺灣你認為呢\n535537\t549780\t報告委員我想主要是我這次在很多地方我強調我並沒有要成為新加坡第二我要成為臺灣的特色的資產管理中心那你認為因為我們現在講實在話這一段時間從賴總統上任以後到現在幾乎這個對岸跟我們\n557182\t566943\t不但是沒有很好的這個大家互動甚至於搞到兵兇戰為你認為你成立這個中心人家會來投資嗎\n569085\t594623\t確實陳主委員講的有些人會在意但是我們在整個規劃過程當中其實資金很多面向有很多人考慮的不只有這個東西比如說臺灣有個優勢就是他有非常多具有競爭力的投資機會我想最近在國際間走訪我們都發現說大家對臺灣的投資的興趣遠過於以往我想資金有很多層面我們要吸引適合我們的我們並不是那我請教你那個彭主委\n595023\t595143\t主委\n619830\t640822\t其實跨國性的金融或資產管理中心先前的條件就是要有一個穩定安全的政治環境才沒有危害投資的這種餘力那以下有幾個幾點我請問主委主委你說推動亞洲這個資產管理中心並非要取代哪個國家\n643784\t666921\t並舉日本模式大量提倡新資本主義以資產管理來立國那我請問主委新資產主義是日本前首相岸田文雄在倒台以前他的政策你認為可以借鏡的地方在哪裡還是你有把握新資本主義在日本失敗在臺灣一定能夠成功嗎\n667581\t695823\t其實報告委員其實這個在日本並沒有失敗因為它實際上這還是持續在進行的一個計畫我想主要是臺灣跟日本有很多地方相似比如說我們都面臨到高齡化還有就是說我們的財富集中在一些比較保守的投資上面這些都是相同的我們希望透過這個計畫導引民眾有更多的資產管理的意識除了是因應未來高齡化社會的發展也是希望說我們能夠有更積極的投資的這樣的意識能夠投入更多的\n697964\t719555\t主委啊 針對三階段的目標兩年有有感的目標包括法規鬆綁市場調整跨部會的協調那請問主委推動跨部會協調業務是以哪一個或哪幾個部會的業務最多或者是最有挑戰性 您的看法呢\n719955\t742483\t其實在過去我們跟各部會接觸的立場各部會都非常的支持也提供了非常多他們在各個部會專業的考量像這次我們在TISA的推動的時候我們過去的思維其實上是比較不符合所謂的租稅專業財政部就給我們很多的建議我覺得這個就是一個很好的例證像比如說我們跟其他部會裡面的接觸過程當中都得到非常非常多的意見\n743143\t747186\t所以說法規鬆綁不只是只有金管會有法規要鬆綁也是要跨部會的法規來配合那當然\n761936\t780341\t主委最後一個議題蔡總統在執政期間政府推動過境外資金匯回當時也有相關法規及配套現在換代總統執政政府又以推動亞洲資產管理中心的名義要修法來鬆綁\n781561\t781581\t其實這\n798879\t824769\t設立中心只是替臺灣有錢人找到一條可以規劃海外資金流通的管道其實委員您誤會了其實我們剛才講像比如我們TISA就是全民參與我們這次資產管理是涵蓋所有的金融業所有的客戶那個高淨值客戶只是其中的一部分不是全部該資金匯回的目的跟這次完全不同我想這是一個金融全面提升刺激經濟的一個方案\n825393\t852328\t我希望這個主委就是針對這三階段兩年有成的目標包括法規鬆綁調整等等這個我希望這個我們金管會你多琢磨多用一點這是我們會努力我們一定會全力來支持全力來努力謝謝謝謝林德副委員謝謝彭主委接著我們請登記第二位的吳秉瑞委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席請彭主委與各列席官員彭主委\n林委員早彭主委早我想今天專題討論的是政府推動臺灣成為亞洲資產管理中心那本席想請教主委幾個問題一這個主委針對亞洲資產管理中心你說軍管會這個\n提出階段性的目標兩年有趕四年有變六年有成以六年期的計畫來達成亞洲資產管理中心的政策目標我請問主委政府是不是有非成立不可的理由\n主委\n政府如果決心要成立你是不是有把握在你任內讓政策目標完成而不會到最後就流於指紋樓梯響不見人下來的這種口號政策是謝謝委員我想這次如果各位有仔細檢視我們提出的亞洲資產管理中心可能跟過去有些比較不同我們這次非常的務實\n我想即便是任何人接棒都可以非常容易的去執行我們這樣的一個規劃我想這個是一個持續的工作這也不是一個簡單的工作有很多國家他可能花了二三十年來建制但是我們剛才希望說我們能夠在兩年的時候呢讓大家可以有感覺到我們整個制度有所改變\n那所以我們會透過大量法規的鬆綁讓大家知道說臺灣在這方面我們有高度的承諾四年有變我們是希望說我們整個在資產管理規模能夠有顯著的增加六年有成是希望我們臺灣的努力已經可以得到國際上面的肯定說臺灣已經朝向這個方向來發展我想整個國際的金融的競爭是持續的但是我覺得這件事情我覺得一棒接一棒我想這應該是臺灣未來金融市場努力以及國家發展的一個方向\n主委媒體報導金融這個金管會選定高雄市政府合作推動高雄成為亞洲資產管理中心的金融特區設置計畫讓臺灣的有錢人以後去高雄不用去新加坡那我請問現階段除了高雄之外你認為臺灣還有哪些城市適合設置的金融特區\n主要是這次會選擇跟高雄合作是因為高雄過去在3年來一直都有針對這個計畫在有一定的基礎再加上高雄他有非常多的條件比如說他有灣區還有自由貿易港還有國際港還有距離比如說我們在整個南北平衡都有很多的考慮\n我想這主要是接近日本在發展所謂的各個地方政府與中央政府合作推廣這個資產管理的一個概念我想臺灣有非常多的城市都非常適合發展各自的特色像這是我剛才跟大家報告的內容因為高雄市他願意提供非常多地方政府願意提供的誘因我想這部分也是各個地方政府如果願意來發展的話可以盤點自己的優勢我們中央這邊金管會一定會全力配合\n所以說彭主委你還是認為高雄市最適合就以現階段我們是做個實驗區希望高雄能夠成功然後能夠複製在我們各個地方各地方縣市如果說也有這樣的規劃我想我們都可以來實施\n主委對於金管會規劃亞洲資產管理中心的願景前經濟部長王美花表示臺灣先天有困難因為地緣壓力存在外資要進來會遇到臺灣先天的問題\n跟委員報告．我想\n臺灣的狀況大家都非常的清楚但是呢臺灣在這個狀況之下也發展出非常多有優勢的產業我想資金呢他有各種不同的面向臺灣要發展自己有特色的我們並不是複製比如說我們常提到的像新加坡\n臺灣有它先天的限制但是它有它非常多先天的優勢我想我們這次是非常務實的政策就希望說怎麼樣發揮臺灣的優勢能夠彌補我們相對競爭的劣勢我們覺得還是可以非常有為\n那我請教你如果像王美花所說的真的是有他先天地緣的一個壓力的存在那這個先天困難會不會影響到整個中心的推動會不會我想推動這個東西困難一定有的如果簡單的話就輪不到現在金管會來做我想這個確實是有很多問題要來克服\n我們有先天的劣勢像剛才講很多不可改變的像比如說我們也盤點過去其他地區發展這個過程當中它有幾個優勢比如說他們有非常好的租稅的誘因有非常好的比如說外匯的彈性再來他們有語言的優勢我想臺灣在這個狀況相對之下是這樣劣勢的還有就是我們有特殊的地緣關係的問題這當然是\n但是在這些限制之下臺灣還是可以發展出非常具有韌性的一些金融活動我想我們就是希望透過發揮我們這個優勢我們非常務實的讓我們的實力展現出來\n主委 基於先天困難的考量政府會不會為了成立而限縮原先計畫中心成立的這種規模會不會我想其實這個亞洲資產管理中心我們現在的策略是這樣我們是希望我們各個金融產業都有現在在做的事情\n我們希望他們在這個計畫之下加大串聯所謂加大串聯就是希望說把我們現在你們現在業務把它做大再來彼此串聯彼此互相協助整個拉伸整個臺灣整體金融業的發展我想這樣是可以克服我們現在很多很多的困難我們也不需要去排擠到其他的計畫\n彭主委政府既然規劃推動想必應該要對先天困難的存在也應該有因應的一個對策請問你有什麼因應的對策\n是,謝謝委員的指正就是我剛才講就是說我們有優勢比如說臺灣其實有估計超過比如說我們民間的財富估計將近有200兆這是我們看到很多報告的估計但是這些呢確實很多呢不是由臺灣的資產管理業者或是由臺灣人來管理這些資產\n那我想說未來這一部分的話我們要怎麼克服其實我們第一個法規鬆綁我們過去確實在在很多的這方面的法規我們有很多可以考慮所以我們在第一年我們自己金管會盤點在前兩年希望能夠鬆綁超過50個我們自己所主管的法規命令我想這就是一個我們來克服這困難很重要的點那當然就是再來我們希望投資臺灣\n主委,那你認為政府的對策辦法有幾層把握來克服整個先天上的困難\n我想假設委員你問我我是覺得我是很有信心的最好是有信心濟南號稱亞洲資產管理中心那我請問主委我們有什麼條件你認為比新加坡、香港更吸引外資\n而且能夠消除對臺灣先天困難的餘力也就是投資人面對中國的文攻武嚇還是要前赴後繼一無反顧把資產送到臺灣你認為呢\n報告委員我想主要是我這次在很多地方我強調我並沒有要成為新加坡第二我要成為臺灣的特色的資產管理中心那你認為因為我們現在講實在話這一段時間從賴總統上任以後到現在幾乎這個對岸跟我們\n不但是沒有很好的這個大家互動甚至於搞到兵兇戰為你認為你成立這個中心人家會來投資嗎\n確實陳主委員講的有些人會在意但是我們在整個規劃過程當中其實資金很多面向有很多人考慮的不只有這個東西比如說臺灣有個優勢就是他有非常多具有競爭力的投資機會我想最近在國際間走訪我們都發現說大家對臺灣的投資的興趣遠過於以往我想資金有很多層面我們要吸引適合我們的我們並不是那我請教你那個彭主委\n主委\n其實跨國性的金融或資產管理中心先前的條件就是要有一個穩定安全的政治環境才沒有危害投資的這種餘力那以下有幾個幾點我請問主委主委你說推動亞洲這個資產管理中心並非要取代哪個國家\n並舉日本模式大量提倡新資本主義以資產管理來立國那我請問主委新資產主義是日本前首相岸田文雄在倒台以前他的政策你認為可以借鏡的地方在哪裡還是你有把握新資本主義在日本失敗在臺灣一定能夠成功嗎\n其實報告委員其實這個在日本並沒有失敗因為它實際上這還是持續在進行的一個計畫我想主要是臺灣跟日本有很多地方相似比如說我們都面臨到高齡化還有就是說我們的財富集中在一些比較保守的投資上面這些都是相同的我們希望透過這個計畫導引民眾有更多的資產管理的意識除了是因應未來高齡化社會的發展也是希望說我們能夠有更積極的投資的這樣的意識能夠投入更多的\n主委啊 針對三階段的目標兩年有有感的目標包括法規鬆綁市場調整跨部會的協調那請問主委推動跨部會協調業務是以哪一個或哪幾個部會的業務最多或者是最有挑戰性 您的看法呢\n其實在過去我們跟各部會接觸的立場各部會都非常的支持也提供了非常多他們在各個部會專業的考量像這次我們在TISA的推動的時候我們過去的思維其實上是比較不符合所謂的租稅專業財政部就給我們很多的建議我覺得這個就是一個很好的例證像比如說我們跟其他部會裡面的接觸過程當中都得到非常非常多的意見\n所以說法規鬆綁不只是只有金管會有法規要鬆綁也是要跨部會的法規來配合那當然\n主委最後一個議題蔡總統在執政期間政府推動過境外資金匯回當時也有相關法規及配套現在換代總統執政政府又以推動亞洲資產管理中心的名義要修法來鬆綁\n其實這\n設立中心只是替臺灣有錢人找到一條可以規劃海外資金流通的管道其實委員您誤會了其實我們剛才講像比如我們TISA就是全民參與我們這次資產管理是涵蓋所有的金融業所有的客戶那個高淨值客戶只是其中的一部分不是全部該資金匯回的目的跟這次完全不同我想這是一個金融全面提升刺激經濟的一個方案\n我希望這個主委就是針對這三階段兩年有成的目標包括法規鬆綁調整等等這個我希望這個我們金管會你多琢磨多用一點這是我們會努力我們一定會全力來支持全力來努力謝謝謝謝林德副委員謝謝彭主委接著我們請登記第二位的吳秉瑞委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.184 --> 00:13.472\n謝謝主席請彭主委與各列席官員彭主委\n\n00:16.642 --> 00:33.995\n林委員早彭主委早我想今天專題討論的是政府推動臺灣成為亞洲資產管理中心那本席想請教主委幾個問題一這個主委針對亞洲資產管理中心你說軍管會這個\n\n00:36.497 --> 00:54.810\n提出階段性的目標兩年有趕四年有變六年有成以六年期的計畫來達成亞洲資產管理中心的政策目標我請問主委政府是不是有非成立不可的理由\n\n00:55.871 --> 00:56.391\n主委\n\n01:26.483 --> 01:49.230\n政府如果決心要成立你是不是有把握在你任內讓政策目標完成而不會到最後就流於指紋樓梯響不見人下來的這種口號政策是謝謝委員我想這次如果各位有仔細檢視我們提出的亞洲資產管理中心可能跟過去有些比較不同我們這次非常的務實\n\n01:50.330 --> 02:10.103\n我想即便是任何人接棒都可以非常容易的去執行我們這樣的一個規劃我想這個是一個持續的工作這也不是一個簡單的工作有很多國家他可能花了二三十年來建制但是我們剛才希望說我們能夠在兩年的時候呢讓大家可以有感覺到我們整個制度有所改變\n\n02:11.044 --> 02:39.148\n那所以我們會透過大量法規的鬆綁讓大家知道說臺灣在這方面我們有高度的承諾四年有變我們是希望說我們整個在資產管理規模能夠有顯著的增加六年有成是希望我們臺灣的努力已經可以得到國際上面的肯定說臺灣已經朝向這個方向來發展我想整個國際的金融的競爭是持續的但是我覺得這件事情我覺得一棒接一棒我想這應該是臺灣未來金融市場努力以及國家發展的一個方向\n\n02:39.508 --> 03:06.982\n主委媒體報導金融這個金管會選定高雄市政府合作推動高雄成為亞洲資產管理中心的金融特區設置計畫讓臺灣的有錢人以後去高雄不用去新加坡那我請問現階段除了高雄之外你認為臺灣還有哪些城市適合設置的金融特區\n\n03:08.912 --> 03:26.601\n主要是這次會選擇跟高雄合作是因為高雄過去在3年來一直都有針對這個計畫在有一定的基礎再加上高雄他有非常多的條件比如說他有灣區還有自由貿易港還有國際港還有距離比如說我們在整個南北平衡都有很多的考慮\n\n03:27.381 --> 03:54.939\n我想這主要是接近日本在發展所謂的各個地方政府與中央政府合作推廣這個資產管理的一個概念我想臺灣有非常多的城市都非常適合發展各自的特色像這是我剛才跟大家報告的內容因為高雄市他願意提供非常多地方政府願意提供的誘因我想這部分也是各個地方政府如果願意來發展的話可以盤點自己的優勢我們中央這邊金管會一定會全力配合\n\n03:55.399 --> 04:10.468\n所以說彭主委你還是認為高雄市最適合就以現階段我們是做個實驗區希望高雄能夠成功然後能夠複製在我們各個地方各地方縣市如果說也有這樣的規劃我想我們都可以來實施\n\n04:12.429 --> 04:29.223\n主委對於金管會規劃亞洲資產管理中心的願景前經濟部長王美花表示臺灣先天有困難因為地緣壓力存在外資要進來會遇到臺灣先天的問題\n\n04:32.566 --> 04:32.926\n跟委員報告．我想\n\n04:49.311 --> 05:03.748\n臺灣的狀況大家都非常的清楚但是呢臺灣在這個狀況之下也發展出非常多有優勢的產業我想資金呢他有各種不同的面向臺灣要發展自己有特色的我們並不是複製比如說我們常提到的像新加坡\n\n05:09.254 --> 05:20.304\n臺灣有它先天的限制但是它有它非常多先天的優勢我想我們這次是非常務實的政策就希望說怎麼樣發揮臺灣的優勢能夠彌補我們相對競爭的劣勢我們覺得還是可以非常有為\n\n05:25.549 --> 05:47.257\n那我請教你如果像王美花所說的真的是有他先天地緣的一個壓力的存在那這個先天困難會不會影響到整個中心的推動會不會我想推動這個東西困難一定有的如果簡單的話就輪不到現在金管會來做我想這個確實是有很多問題要來克服\n\n05:47.697 --> 06:09.283\n我們有先天的劣勢像剛才講很多不可改變的像比如說我們也盤點過去其他地區發展這個過程當中它有幾個優勢比如說他們有非常好的租稅的誘因有非常好的比如說外匯的彈性再來他們有語言的優勢我想臺灣在這個狀況相對之下是這樣劣勢的還有就是我們有特殊的地緣關係的問題這當然是\n\n06:11.384 --> 06:19.577\n但是在這些限制之下臺灣還是可以發展出非常具有韌性的一些金融活動我想我們就是希望透過發揮我們這個優勢我們非常務實的讓我們的實力展現出來\n\n06:24.483 --> 06:44.283\n主委基於先天困難的考量政府會不會為了成立而限縮原先計畫中心成立的這種規模會不會我想其實這個亞洲資產管理中心我們現在的策略是這樣我們是希望我們各個金融產業都有現在在做的事情\n\n06:44.864 --> 07:04.756\n我們希望他們在這個計畫之下加大串聯所謂加大串聯就是希望說把我們現在你們現在業務把它做大再來彼此串聯彼此互相協助整個拉伸整個臺灣整體金融業的發展我想這樣是可以克服我們現在很多很多的困難我們也不需要去排擠到其他的計畫\n\n07:06.001 --> 07:20.041\n彭主委政府既然規劃推動想必應該要對先天困難的存在也應該有因應的一個對策請問你有什麼因應的對策\n\n07:20.600 --> 07:38.482\n是,謝謝委員的指正就是我剛才講就是說我們有優勢比如說臺灣其實有估計超過比如說我們民間的財富估計將近有200兆這是我們看到很多報告的估計但是這些呢確實很多呢不是由臺灣的資產管理業者或是由臺灣人來管理這些資產\n\n07:39.423 --> 08:01.504\n那我想說未來這一部分的話我們要怎麼克服其實我們第一個法規鬆綁我們過去確實在在很多的這方面的法規我們有很多可以考慮所以我們在第一年我們自己金管會盤點在前兩年希望能夠鬆綁超過50個我們自己所主管的法規命令我想這就是一個我們來克服這困難很重要的點那當然就是再來我們希望投資臺灣\n\n08:02.405 --> 08:03.606\n主委,那你認為政府的對策辦法有幾層把握來克服整個先天上的困難\n\n08:21.889 --> 08:39.172\n我想假設委員你問我我是覺得我是很有信心的最好是有信心濟南號稱亞洲資產管理中心那我請問主委我們有什麼條件你認為比新加坡、香港更吸引外資\n\n08:40.410 --> 08:52.826\n而且能夠消除對臺灣先天困難的餘力也就是投資人面對中國的文攻武嚇還是要前赴後繼一無反顧把資產送到臺灣你認為呢\n\n08:55.537 --> 09:09.780\n報告委員我想主要是我這次在很多地方我強調我並沒有要成為新加坡第二我要成為臺灣的特色的資產管理中心那你認為因為我們現在講實在話這一段時間從賴總統上任以後到現在幾乎這個對岸跟我們\n\n09:17.182 --> 09:26.943\n不但是沒有很好的這個大家互動甚至於搞到兵兇戰為你認為你成立這個中心人家會來投資嗎\n\n09:29.085 --> 09:54.623\n確實陳主委員講的有些人會在意但是我們在整個規劃過程當中其實資金很多面向有很多人考慮的不只有這個東西比如說臺灣有個優勢就是他有非常多具有競爭力的投資機會我想最近在國際間走訪我們都發現說大家對臺灣的投資的興趣遠過於以往我想資金有很多層面我們要吸引適合我們的我們並不是那我請教你那個彭主委\n\n09:55.023 --> 09:55.143\n主委\n\n10:19.830 --> 10:40.822\n其實跨國性的金融或資產管理中心先前的條件就是要有一個穩定安全的政治環境才沒有危害投資的這種餘力那以下有幾個幾點我請問主委主委你說推動亞洲這個資產管理中心並非要取代哪個國家\n\n10:43.784 --> 11:06.921\n並舉日本模式大量提倡新資本主義以資產管理來立國那我請問主委新資產主義是日本前首相岸田文雄在倒台以前他的政策你認為可以借鏡的地方在哪裡還是你有把握新資本主義在日本失敗在臺灣一定能夠成功嗎\n\n11:07.581 --> 11:35.823\n其實報告委員其實這個在日本並沒有失敗因為它實際上這還是持續在進行的一個計畫我想主要是臺灣跟日本有很多地方相似比如說我們都面臨到高齡化還有就是說我們的財富集中在一些比較保守的投資上面這些都是相同的我們希望透過這個計畫導引民眾有更多的資產管理的意識除了是因應未來高齡化社會的發展也是希望說我們能夠有更積極的投資的這樣的意識能夠投入更多的\n\n11:37.964 --> 11:59.555\n主委啊針對三階段的目標兩年有有感的目標包括法規鬆綁市場調整跨部會的協調那請問主委推動跨部會協調業務是以哪一個或哪幾個部會的業務最多或者是最有挑戰性您的看法呢\n\n11:59.955 --> 12:22.483\n其實在過去我們跟各部會接觸的立場各部會都非常的支持也提供了非常多他們在各個部會專業的考量像這次我們在TISA的推動的時候我們過去的思維其實上是比較不符合所謂的租稅專業財政部就給我們很多的建議我覺得這個就是一個很好的例證像比如說我們跟其他部會裡面的接觸過程當中都得到非常非常多的意見\n\n12:23.143 --> 12:27.186\n所以說法規鬆綁不只是只有金管會有法規要鬆綁也是要跨部會的法規來配合那當然\n\n12:41.936 --> 13:00.341\n主委最後一個議題蔡總統在執政期間政府推動過境外資金匯回當時也有相關法規及配套現在換代總統執政政府又以推動亞洲資產管理中心的名義要修法來鬆綁\n\n13:01.561 --> 13:01.581\n其實這\n\n13:18.879 --> 13:44.769\n設立中心只是替臺灣有錢人找到一條可以規劃海外資金流通的管道其實委員您誤會了其實我們剛才講像比如我們TISA就是全民參與我們這次資產管理是涵蓋所有的金融業所有的客戶那個高淨值客戶只是其中的一部分不是全部該資金匯回的目的跟這次完全不同我想這是一個金融全面提升刺激經濟的一個方案\n\n13:45.393 --> 14:12.328\n我希望這個主委就是針對這三階段兩年有成的目標包括法規鬆綁調整等等這個我希望這個我們金管會你多琢磨多用一點這是我們會努力我們一定會全力來支持全力來努力謝謝謝謝林德副委員謝謝彭主委接著我們請登記第二位的吳秉瑞委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":7.184,"end":13.472,"text":"謝謝主席請彭主委與各列席官員彭主委"},{"start":16.642,"end":33.995,"text":"林委員早彭主委早我想今天專題討論的是政府推動臺灣成為亞洲資產管理中心那本席想請教主委幾個問題一這個主委針對亞洲資產管理中心你說軍管會這個"},{"start":36.497,"end":54.81,"text":"提出階段性的目標兩年有趕四年有變六年有成以六年期的計畫來達成亞洲資產管理中心的政策目標我請問主委政府是不是有非成立不可的理由"},{"start":55.871,"end":56.391,"text":"主委"},{"start":86.483,"end":109.23,"text":"政府如果決心要成立你是不是有把握在你任內讓政策目標完成而不會到最後就流於指紋樓梯響不見人下來的這種口號政策是謝謝委員我想這次如果各位有仔細檢視我們提出的亞洲資產管理中心可能跟過去有些比較不同我們這次非常的務實"},{"start":110.33,"end":130.103,"text":"我想即便是任何人接棒都可以非常容易的去執行我們這樣的一個規劃我想這個是一個持續的工作這也不是一個簡單的工作有很多國家他可能花了二三十年來建制但是我們剛才希望說我們能夠在兩年的時候呢讓大家可以有感覺到我們整個制度有所改變"},{"start":131.044,"end":159.148,"text":"那所以我們會透過大量法規的鬆綁讓大家知道說臺灣在這方面我們有高度的承諾四年有變我們是希望說我們整個在資產管理規模能夠有顯著的增加六年有成是希望我們臺灣的努力已經可以得到國際上面的肯定說臺灣已經朝向這個方向來發展我想整個國際的金融的競爭是持續的但是我覺得這件事情我覺得一棒接一棒我想這應該是臺灣未來金融市場努力以及國家發展的一個方向"},{"start":159.508,"end":186.982,"text":"主委媒體報導金融這個金管會選定高雄市政府合作推動高雄成為亞洲資產管理中心的金融特區設置計畫讓臺灣的有錢人以後去高雄不用去新加坡那我請問現階段除了高雄之外你認為臺灣還有哪些城市適合設置的金融特區"},{"start":188.912,"end":206.601,"text":"主要是這次會選擇跟高雄合作是因為高雄過去在3年來一直都有針對這個計畫在有一定的基礎再加上高雄他有非常多的條件比如說他有灣區還有自由貿易港還有國際港還有距離比如說我們在整個南北平衡都有很多的考慮"},{"start":207.381,"end":234.939,"text":"我想這主要是接近日本在發展所謂的各個地方政府與中央政府合作推廣這個資產管理的一個概念我想臺灣有非常多的城市都非常適合發展各自的特色像這是我剛才跟大家報告的內容因為高雄市他願意提供非常多地方政府願意提供的誘因我想這部分也是各個地方政府如果願意來發展的話可以盤點自己的優勢我們中央這邊金管會一定會全力配合"},{"start":235.399,"end":250.468,"text":"所以說彭主委你還是認為高雄市最適合就以現階段我們是做個實驗區希望高雄能夠成功然後能夠複製在我們各個地方各地方縣市如果說也有這樣的規劃我想我們都可以來實施"},{"start":252.429,"end":269.223,"text":"主委對於金管會規劃亞洲資產管理中心的願景前經濟部長王美花表示臺灣先天有困難因為地緣壓力存在外資要進來會遇到臺灣先天的問題"},{"start":272.566,"end":272.926,"text":"跟委員報告．我想"},{"start":289.311,"end":303.748,"text":"臺灣的狀況大家都非常的清楚但是呢臺灣在這個狀況之下也發展出非常多有優勢的產業我想資金呢他有各種不同的面向臺灣要發展自己有特色的我們並不是複製比如說我們常提到的像新加坡"},{"start":309.254,"end":320.304,"text":"臺灣有它先天的限制但是它有它非常多先天的優勢我想我們這次是非常務實的政策就希望說怎麼樣發揮臺灣的優勢能夠彌補我們相對競爭的劣勢我們覺得還是可以非常有為"},{"start":325.549,"end":347.257,"text":"那我請教你如果像王美花所說的真的是有他先天地緣的一個壓力的存在那這個先天困難會不會影響到整個中心的推動會不會我想推動這個東西困難一定有的如果簡單的話就輪不到現在金管會來做我想這個確實是有很多問題要來克服"},{"start":347.697,"end":369.283,"text":"我們有先天的劣勢像剛才講很多不可改變的像比如說我們也盤點過去其他地區發展這個過程當中它有幾個優勢比如說他們有非常好的租稅的誘因有非常好的比如說外匯的彈性再來他們有語言的優勢我想臺灣在這個狀況相對之下是這樣劣勢的還有就是我們有特殊的地緣關係的問題這當然是"},{"start":371.384,"end":379.577,"text":"但是在這些限制之下臺灣還是可以發展出非常具有韌性的一些金融活動我想我們就是希望透過發揮我們這個優勢我們非常務實的讓我們的實力展現出來"},{"start":384.483,"end":404.283,"text":"主委 基於先天困難的考量政府會不會為了成立而限縮原先計畫中心成立的這種規模會不會我想其實這個亞洲資產管理中心我們現在的策略是這樣我們是希望我們各個金融產業都有現在在做的事情"},{"start":404.864,"end":424.756,"text":"我們希望他們在這個計畫之下加大串聯所謂加大串聯就是希望說把我們現在你們現在業務把它做大再來彼此串聯彼此互相協助整個拉伸整個臺灣整體金融業的發展我想這樣是可以克服我們現在很多很多的困難我們也不需要去排擠到其他的計畫"},{"start":426.001,"end":440.041,"text":"彭主委政府既然規劃推動想必應該要對先天困難的存在也應該有因應的一個對策請問你有什麼因應的對策"},{"start":440.6,"end":458.482,"text":"是,謝謝委員的指正就是我剛才講就是說我們有優勢比如說臺灣其實有估計超過比如說我們民間的財富估計將近有200兆這是我們看到很多報告的估計但是這些呢確實很多呢不是由臺灣的資產管理業者或是由臺灣人來管理這些資產"},{"start":459.423,"end":481.504,"text":"那我想說未來這一部分的話我們要怎麼克服其實我們第一個法規鬆綁我們過去確實在在很多的這方面的法規我們有很多可以考慮所以我們在第一年我們自己金管會盤點在前兩年希望能夠鬆綁超過50個我們自己所主管的法規命令我想這就是一個我們來克服這困難很重要的點那當然就是再來我們希望投資臺灣"},{"start":482.405,"end":483.606,"text":"主委,那你認為政府的對策辦法有幾層把握來克服整個先天上的困難"},{"start":501.889,"end":519.172,"text":"我想假設委員你問我我是覺得我是很有信心的最好是有信心濟南號稱亞洲資產管理中心那我請問主委我們有什麼條件你認為比新加坡、香港更吸引外資"},{"start":520.41,"end":532.826,"text":"而且能夠消除對臺灣先天困難的餘力也就是投資人面對中國的文攻武嚇還是要前赴後繼一無反顧把資產送到臺灣你認為呢"},{"start":535.537,"end":549.78,"text":"報告委員我想主要是我這次在很多地方我強調我並沒有要成為新加坡第二我要成為臺灣的特色的資產管理中心那你認為因為我們現在講實在話這一段時間從賴總統上任以後到現在幾乎這個對岸跟我們"},{"start":557.182,"end":566.943,"text":"不但是沒有很好的這個大家互動甚至於搞到兵兇戰為你認為你成立這個中心人家會來投資嗎"},{"start":569.085,"end":594.623,"text":"確實陳主委員講的有些人會在意但是我們在整個規劃過程當中其實資金很多面向有很多人考慮的不只有這個東西比如說臺灣有個優勢就是他有非常多具有競爭力的投資機會我想最近在國際間走訪我們都發現說大家對臺灣的投資的興趣遠過於以往我想資金有很多層面我們要吸引適合我們的我們並不是那我請教你那個彭主委"},{"start":595.023,"end":595.143,"text":"主委"},{"start":619.83,"end":640.822,"text":"其實跨國性的金融或資產管理中心先前的條件就是要有一個穩定安全的政治環境才沒有危害投資的這種餘力那以下有幾個幾點我請問主委主委你說推動亞洲這個資產管理中心並非要取代哪個國家"},{"start":643.784,"end":666.921,"text":"並舉日本模式大量提倡新資本主義以資產管理來立國那我請問主委新資產主義是日本前首相岸田文雄在倒台以前他的政策你認為可以借鏡的地方在哪裡還是你有把握新資本主義在日本失敗在臺灣一定能夠成功嗎"},{"start":667.581,"end":695.823,"text":"其實報告委員其實這個在日本並沒有失敗因為它實際上這還是持續在進行的一個計畫我想主要是臺灣跟日本有很多地方相似比如說我們都面臨到高齡化還有就是說我們的財富集中在一些比較保守的投資上面這些都是相同的我們希望透過這個計畫導引民眾有更多的資產管理的意識除了是因應未來高齡化社會的發展也是希望說我們能夠有更積極的投資的這樣的意識能夠投入更多的"},{"start":697.964,"end":719.555,"text":"主委啊 針對三階段的目標兩年有有感的目標包括法規鬆綁市場調整跨部會的協調那請問主委推動跨部會協調業務是以哪一個或哪幾個部會的業務最多或者是最有挑戰性 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有成的目標，包括法規鬆綁、調整等等，我希望金管會多著墨、多用一點心，好不好？"],["彭主任委員金隆：是，我們會努力，我們一定會全力來支持，全力來努力。謝謝。"],["林委員德福：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝林德福委員，謝謝彭主委。","接著我們請登記第2位的吳秉叡委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":308,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-20-4","speakers":["陳玉珍","林德福","吳秉叡","郭國文","賴惠員","李彥秀","李坤城","賴士葆","顏寬恒","黃珊珊","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","王鴻薇","王世堅","廖先翔","黃國昌","鍾佳濱","葉元之","沈發惠","葛如鈞","賴瑞隆","羅明才","邱志偉","林楚茵"],"page_start":225,"meetingDate":["2024-10-24"],"gazette_id":"1138901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138901_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、財政部莊部長翠雲、中央銀行、國家發展委員會、經\n濟部、交通部就「政府推動臺灣成為亞洲資產管理中心之具體作為暨如何協助金融科技及新創產\n業籌資現況與未來發展」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1138901_00004"}}}