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00:00:34,514\n謝主席請蕭院長有請蕭院長委員長院長早安其實剛剛林警委員所質詢的這個議題對於我們一般的民眾其實對你們這個方式也一直覺得有點疑慮就是說如果是不對等條件的這樣子的一個計存方式您現在在這個位置上有能力可以解決您就要去解決它而不是用歷史脈絡或者說用古物的價值來推搪\n\n2\n00:00:35,014 --> 00:00:56,369\n我努力在解決現在的話就是因為有6個法定的代表人6個法定的代表人他們的意見不一所以我努力在解決並不是沒有辦法並不是不願意解決好沒關係那院長這個部分呢我希望說如果您給林一景委員辦公室的你這個給他的\n\n3\n00:00:57,819 --> 00:01:00,863\n報告一份給我辦公室我現在不跟你討論這個問題來我們來討論一下關於新故宮計劃最早呢我們為了強化故宮在觀光產業的發展的作用力呢那前院長林正儀內內提出了新故宮計劃\n\n4\n00:01:12,699 --> 00:01:16,761\n那原本是計畫在107年啟動6年計畫期間是到112年那這個計畫內容包括整擴建故宮北院故宮南院新建國寶文物修復展示館以及博物館群國際觀光網絡的建制那\n\n5\n00:01:29,688 --> 00:01:40,435\n而這個部分呢從107年啟動呢到現在其實經過行政院三次合定修正計畫本來的啟程呢更是延到了116年齁總經費來到107.47億元那我想請教院長目前我們執行的情況怎麼樣有落後嗎為什麼6年計畫會變成10年計畫\n\n6\n00:01:51,973 --> 00:02:15,609\n六年計劃變成十年計劃當然就是有很多原因因為原來最早最早的話規劃是大故宮計劃那大故宮計劃的話就是有一些不一樣的聲音後來修訂為新故宮計劃新故宮計劃的話其實它就是小故宮計劃這不是大故宮計劃就是把一些工項收減然後把它集中在焦點的部分\n\n7\n00:02:16,289 --> 00:02:19,832\n議員長您的意思是說原來的6年計劃改成10年是因為說計劃的內容是有調整的\n\n8\n00:02:44,926 --> 00:03:11,108\n不是因為進度落後而延宕而是因為計劃的內容有調整才會6年變成10年進度的話以目前來講的話北部的進度基本上來講的話大概符合一起正是北部的政管的整修就是畫面上這一個就是說因為他的文職審議的話現在有一點點焦灼所以我們已經又報到台北市政府去了\n\n9\n00:03:11,588 --> 00:03:19,494\n那南院的部分的話目前的進度還算順利然後就是這邊請教您這個關於進度的問題是因為故宮明年即將迎來100週年慶那如何確保新故宮計畫整個工程進度及歷史建築修復及再利用計畫不會延長這個真的非常的重要也希望院長這邊您要特別關注特別的用心另外再請教我們故宮南院新館原本是規劃有三個部分\n\n10\n00:03:38,767 --> 00:03:57,806\n其中博物館展示有設置人氣國寶廳數位展廳以及國際展廳原本預計明年9月就要完工驗收115年的年底可以開館試營運但是因為這個期間因為種種因素有疫情的因素或是物料上漲的因素我們工程有三次流標\n\n11\n00:03:58,747 --> 00:04:22,332\n現在已經延到115年的10月之前主體建築才能夠完工那要到116年的12月底才能開館試營運那我想請教院長以目前工程的進度您有沒有把握在116年的年底能夠如期的試營運以目前的新的進度的流程表的話是沒有問題因為目前整體的進度來講的話微乎超前\n\n12\n00:04:23,288 --> 00:04:46,018\n好如果以南院這邊現在目前進度是微乎超前的話那院長您是有信心的那再請教關於故宮的北院院區的整擴建計畫包括我們鎮館的整建就是含屋頂漏水的這個部分有五大項的工程那你們在報告裡面就提到說112年度起執行的研究大樓以及圖書文獻大樓等整建工程呢\n\n13\n00:04:46,778 --> 00:05:08,897\n途書文獻大樓會在今年底竣工那麼其他的部分呢包括研究大樓政管整件這些部分目前執行的進度為何那個途書文獻大樓就未來的第二展覽館的話在今年年底可以報進那另外的話那個我們新的行政辦公大樓的話跟圖書館的話是已經在10月份的時候報進那\n\n14\n00:05:10,959 --> 00:05:28,541\n研究大樓的話就要到明年的5月左右那政管的部分的話因為目前還等待那個臺北市政府文化局的文資審議所以這個部分的話就是要看後面的一個審議的一個狀況\n\n15\n00:05:30,833 --> 00:05:56,165\n審議的狀況會影響很久嗎?他們要多久才會有這個結果?我有特別去拜訪那個臺北市文化局的蔡世平局長就是請他就是說我們送進去以後能夠趕快排那個文資審議因為文資審議的話依照各個單位的話它也都是一種固定式的就是說譬如說半年後遺跡再審我希望說他們可以趕快幫我們\n\n16\n00:05:57,746 --> 00:06:12,833\n其實在這邊我會一直強調說所有工程的進度是因為故宮明年的一百週年慶我們的這個工程進度一定要特別的關注希望是不是可以如期如止那在這邊針對這個故宮百年願慶我在這邊也要請教就是說我們迎來這個願慶的這個同時我們是不是會有個特展那想請教目前對於這個百年願慶的特展我們籌備的進度如何\n\n17\n00:06:24,235 --> 00:06:38,104\n特展的進度現在都按照我們規劃的期程在進行那當然就是說包括國內展定期的話都會做一個策展的報告國外展的話也是目前的情況都很正常\n\n18\n00:06:39,724 --> 00:06:47,690\n情況都很正常據說照你們的規劃的期程照你們的進度都有在安排那這邊呢你們報告裡面有寫說你們在你們有規劃在2025年會在會參加臺北的國際書展臺北國際旅展及高雄國際旅展以及日本舉辦的國際旅展這樣大型的展會的活動你們都會去參展來行銷故宮那這是報導上面有報導說\n\n19\n00:07:05,723 --> 00:07:30,214\n故宮明年會規劃赴日參加2025年大阪世界博覽會但您報告裡面沒有提到你們有沒有規劃要去因為大阪世界博覽會是經濟部外貿協會在規劃的所以在這個規劃裡面的話故宮是融入整體的設計因為當然就是說日方的話\n\n20\n00:07:31,514 --> 00:07:32,095\n﹝無言﹞\n\n21\n00:07:49,660 --> 00:08:12,732\n規劃展示的話不是用用藏品而是用數位的影像所以影像的話當然我們就凸顯就是說故宮國寶中華文物在台灣的所以說我們參與的這個部分就對於大阪的市博我們去的不是帶藏品出門就對了我們用數位用3D用沉浸式的方式來做呈現\n\n22\n00:08:14,053 --> 00:08:27,797\n那因為明年9月呢我們會到捷克以及明年11月會到法國有展出那也希望說我們對於產品的這個安全跟維護應該要有周密的計畫相關的SOP一定要落實及確實這個部分希望你們一定要很謹慎你們目前對這些產品的整個的規劃呢\n\n23\n00:08:33,837 --> 00:08:52,179\n跟委員報告國境化交流的話基本上來講標準的作業程序的話一定是有的所以這個部分的話請委員放心然後整個司法面扣押然後甚至國內的文資審議然後甚至行政院的核定這個部分的話我們都會依規定期程來\n\n24\n00:08:53,240 --> 00:09:21,966\n院長請主席給我一分鐘我講一下關於校園大使計畫你們在報告裡面又說你們要連結青年族群呈現多元的觀點所以你們110年開始有推動校園大使的計畫但是你們本來規劃說每年要培育12到13位的校園大使並在11所學校來推出來展出那這個本期是非常的肯定但是你們今年只有培育11位也只有在9校展出而且這4年展出的學校裡面都沒有我們彰化的大學\n\n25\n00:09:23,046 --> 00:09:24,915\n是因為沒有學生報名還是沒有得到錄取?\n\n26\n00:09:26,857 --> 00:09:34,941\n我想是因為沒有報名吧好本期是很期盼就是說我們故宮校園大使這個計畫能夠均衡城鄉除了離島之外其實彰化苗栗屏東台東也都沒有故宮校園大使這個巡展的這個活動喔這個部分我會希望說我們能夠加強輔導跟協助因為既然要擴大青年參與而且你們現在規劃只有北部院區的校園大使計畫希望說未來能夠擴大到南部的院區這個部分你們可以演繹嗎\n\n27\n00:09:54,769 --> 00:10:04,537\n當然可以研議因為剛剛委員有提醒我們就是有關慶之會的功能跟今天這個我會回去會做一個整體的同盤檢討好謝謝院長謝謝主席謝謝陳秀寳委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6519\t34514\t謝主席 請蕭院長有請蕭院長委員長 院長早安其實剛剛林警委員所質詢的這個議題對於我們一般的民眾其實對你們這個方式也一直覺得有點疑慮就是說如果是不對等條件的這樣子的一個計存方式您現在在這個位置上有能力可以解決您就要去解決它而不是用歷史脈絡或者說用古物的價值來推搪\n35014\t56369\t我努力在解決現在的話就是因為有6個法定的代表人6個法定的代表人他們的意見不一所以我努力在解決並不是沒有辦法並不是不願意解決好沒關係那院長這個部分呢我希望說如果您給林一景委員辦公室的你這個給他的\n57819\t60863\t報告一份給我辦公室我現在不跟你討論這個問題來我們來討論一下關於新故宮計劃最早呢我們為了強化故宮在觀光產業的發展的作用力呢那前院長林正儀內內提出了新故宮計劃\n72699\t76761\t那原本是計畫在107年啟動6年計畫期間是到112年那這個計畫內容包括整擴建故宮北院故宮南院新建國寶文物修復展示館以及博物館群國際觀光網絡的建制那\n89688\t100435\t而這個部分呢從107年啟動呢到現在其實經過行政院三次合定修正計畫本來的啟程呢更是延到了116年齁總經費來到107.47億元那我想請教院長目前我們執行的情況怎麼樣有落後嗎為什麼6年計畫會變成10年計畫\n111973\t135609\t六年計劃變成十年計劃當然就是有很多原因因為原來最早最早的話規劃是大故宮計劃那大故宮計劃的話就是有一些不一樣的聲音後來修訂為新故宮計劃新故宮計劃的話其實它就是小故宮計劃這不是大故宮計劃就是把一些工項收減然後把它集中在焦點的部分\n136289\t139832\t議員長您的意思是說原來的6年計劃改成10年是因為說計劃的內容是有調整的\n164926\t191108\t不是因為進度落後而延宕而是因為計劃的內容有調整才會6年變成10年進度的話以目前來講的話北部的進度基本上來講的話大概符合一起正是北部的政管的整修就是畫面上這一個就是說因為他的文職審議的話現在有一點點焦灼所以我們已經又報到台北市政府去了\n191588\t199494\t那南院的部分的話目前的進度還算順利然後就是這邊請教您這個關於進度的問題是因為故宮明年即將迎來100週年慶那如何確保新故宮計畫整個工程進度及歷史建築修復及再利用計畫不會延長這個真的非常的重要也希望院長這邊您要特別關注特別的用心另外再請教我們故宮南院新館原本是規劃有三個部分\n218767\t237806\t其中博物館展示有設置人氣國寶廳數位展廳以及國際展廳原本預計明年9月就要完工驗收115年的年底可以開館試營運但是因為這個期間因為種種因素有疫情的因素或是物料上漲的因素我們工程有三次流標\n238747\t262332\t現在已經延到115年的10月之前主體建築才能夠完工那要到116年的12月底才能開館試營運那我想請教院長以目前工程的進度您有沒有把握在116年的年底能夠如期的試營運以目前的新的進度的流程表的話是沒有問題因為目前整體的進度來講的話微乎超前\n263288\t286018\t好如果以南院這邊現在目前進度是微乎超前的話那院長您是有信心的那再請教關於故宮的北院院區的整擴建計畫包括我們鎮館的整建就是含屋頂漏水的這個部分有五大項的工程那你們在報告裡面就提到說112年度起執行的研究大樓以及圖書文獻大樓等整建工程呢\n286778\t308897\t途書文獻大樓會在今年底竣工那麼其他的部分呢包括研究大樓政管整件這些部分目前執行的進度為何那個途書文獻大樓就未來的第二展覽館的話在今年年底可以報進那另外的話那個我們新的行政辦公大樓的話跟圖書館的話是已經在10月份的時候報進那\n310959\t328541\t研究大樓的話就要到明年的5月左右那政管的部分的話因為目前還等待那個臺北市政府文化局的文資審議所以這個部分的話就是要看後面的一個審議的一個狀況\n330833\t356165\t審議的狀況會影響很久嗎?他們要多久才會有這個結果?我有特別去拜訪那個臺北市文化局的蔡世平局長就是請他就是說我們送進去以後能夠趕快排那個文資審議因為文資審議的話依照各個單位的話它也都是一種固定式的就是說譬如說半年後遺跡再審我希望說他們可以趕快幫我們\n357746\t372833\t其實在這邊我會一直強調說所有工程的進度是因為故宮明年的一百週年慶我們的這個工程進度一定要特別的關注希望是不是可以如期如止那在這邊針對這個故宮百年願慶我在這邊也要請教就是說我們迎來這個願慶的這個同時我們是不是會有個特展那想請教目前對於這個百年願慶的特展我們籌備的進度如何\n384235\t398104\t特展的進度現在都按照我們規劃的期程在進行那當然就是說包括國內展定期的話都會做一個策展的報告國外展的話也是目前的情況都很正常\n399724\t407690\t情況都很正常據說照你們的規劃的期程照你們的進度都有在安排那這邊呢你們報告裡面有寫說你們在你們有規劃在2025年會在會參加臺北的國際書展臺北國際旅展及高雄國際旅展以及日本舉辦的國際旅展這樣大型的展會的活動你們都會去參展來行銷故宮那這是報導上面有報導說\n425723\t450214\t故宮明年會規劃赴日參加2025年大阪世界博覽會但您報告裡面沒有提到你們有沒有規劃要去因為大阪世界博覽會是經濟部外貿協會在規劃的所以在這個規劃裡面的話故宮是融入整體的設計因為當然就是說日方的話\n451514\t452095\t﹝無言﹞\n469660\t492732\t規劃展示的話不是用用藏品而是用數位的影像所以影像的話當然我們就凸顯就是說故宮國寶中華文物在台灣的所以說我們參與的這個部分就對於大阪的市博我們去的不是帶藏品出門就對了我們用數位用3D用沉浸式的方式來做呈現\n494053\t507797\t那因為明年9月呢我們會到捷克以及明年11月會到法國有展出那也希望說我們對於產品的這個安全跟維護應該要有周密的計畫相關的SOP一定要落實及確實這個部分希望你們一定要很謹慎你們目前對這些產品的整個的規劃呢\n513837\t532179\t跟委員報告國境化交流的話基本上來講標準的作業程序的話一定是有的所以這個部分的話請委員放心然後整個司法面扣押然後甚至國內的文資審議然後甚至行政院的核定這個部分的話我們都會依規定期程來\n533240\t561966\t院長請主席給我一分鐘我講一下關於校園大使計畫你們在報告裡面又說你們要連結青年族群呈現多元的觀點所以你們110年開始有推動校園大使的計畫但是你們本來規劃說每年要培育12到13位的校園大使並在11所學校來推出來展出那這個本期是非常的肯定但是你們今年只有培育11位也只有在9校展出而且這4年展出的學校裡面都沒有我們彰化的大學\n563046\t564915\t是因為沒有學生報名還是沒有得到錄取?\n566857\t574941\t我想是因為沒有報名吧好本期是很期盼就是說我們故宮校園大使這個計畫能夠均衡城鄉除了離島之外其實彰化苗栗屏東台東也都沒有故宮校園大使這個巡展的這個活動喔這個部分我會希望說我們能夠加強輔導跟協助因為既然要擴大青年參與而且你們現在規劃只有北部院區的校園大使計畫希望說未來能夠擴大到南部的院區這個部分你們可以演繹嗎\n594769\t604537\t當然可以研議因為剛剛委員有提醒我們就是有關慶之會的功能跟今天這個我會回去會做一個整體的同盤檢討好謝謝院長謝謝主席謝謝陳秀寳委員\n","txt":"謝主席 請蕭院長有請蕭院長委員長 院長早安其實剛剛林警委員所質詢的這個議題對於我們一般的民眾其實對你們這個方式也一直覺得有點疑慮就是說如果是不對等條件的這樣子的一個計存方式您現在在這個位置上有能力可以解決您就要去解決它而不是用歷史脈絡或者說用古物的價值來推搪\n我努力在解決現在的話就是因為有6個法定的代表人6個法定的代表人他們的意見不一所以我努力在解決並不是沒有辦法並不是不願意解決好沒關係那院長這個部分呢我希望說如果您給林一景委員辦公室的你這個給他的\n報告一份給我辦公室我現在不跟你討論這個問題來我們來討論一下關於新故宮計劃最早呢我們為了強化故宮在觀光產業的發展的作用力呢那前院長林正儀內內提出了新故宮計劃\n那原本是計畫在107年啟動6年計畫期間是到112年那這個計畫內容包括整擴建故宮北院故宮南院新建國寶文物修復展示館以及博物館群國際觀光網絡的建制那\n而這個部分呢從107年啟動呢到現在其實經過行政院三次合定修正計畫本來的啟程呢更是延到了116年齁總經費來到107.47億元那我想請教院長目前我們執行的情況怎麼樣有落後嗎為什麼6年計畫會變成10年計畫\n六年計劃變成十年計劃當然就是有很多原因因為原來最早最早的話規劃是大故宮計劃那大故宮計劃的話就是有一些不一樣的聲音後來修訂為新故宮計劃新故宮計劃的話其實它就是小故宮計劃這不是大故宮計劃就是把一些工項收減然後把它集中在焦點的部分\n議員長您的意思是說原來的6年計劃改成10年是因為說計劃的內容是有調整的\n不是因為進度落後而延宕而是因為計劃的內容有調整才會6年變成10年進度的話以目前來講的話北部的進度基本上來講的話大概符合一起正是北部的政管的整修就是畫面上這一個就是說因為他的文職審議的話現在有一點點焦灼所以我們已經又報到台北市政府去了\n那南院的部分的話目前的進度還算順利然後就是這邊請教您這個關於進度的問題是因為故宮明年即將迎來100週年慶那如何確保新故宮計畫整個工程進度及歷史建築修復及再利用計畫不會延長這個真的非常的重要也希望院長這邊您要特別關注特別的用心另外再請教我們故宮南院新館原本是規劃有三個部分\n其中博物館展示有設置人氣國寶廳數位展廳以及國際展廳原本預計明年9月就要完工驗收115年的年底可以開館試營運但是因為這個期間因為種種因素有疫情的因素或是物料上漲的因素我們工程有三次流標\n現在已經延到115年的10月之前主體建築才能夠完工那要到116年的12月底才能開館試營運那我想請教院長以目前工程的進度您有沒有把握在116年的年底能夠如期的試營運以目前的新的進度的流程表的話是沒有問題因為目前整體的進度來講的話微乎超前\n好如果以南院這邊現在目前進度是微乎超前的話那院長您是有信心的那再請教關於故宮的北院院區的整擴建計畫包括我們鎮館的整建就是含屋頂漏水的這個部分有五大項的工程那你們在報告裡面就提到說112年度起執行的研究大樓以及圖書文獻大樓等整建工程呢\n途書文獻大樓會在今年底竣工那麼其他的部分呢包括研究大樓政管整件這些部分目前執行的進度為何那個途書文獻大樓就未來的第二展覽館的話在今年年底可以報進那另外的話那個我們新的行政辦公大樓的話跟圖書館的話是已經在10月份的時候報進那\n研究大樓的話就要到明年的5月左右那政管的部分的話因為目前還等待那個臺北市政府文化局的文資審議所以這個部分的話就是要看後面的一個審議的一個狀況\n審議的狀況會影響很久嗎?他們要多久才會有這個結果?我有特別去拜訪那個臺北市文化局的蔡世平局長就是請他就是說我們送進去以後能夠趕快排那個文資審議因為文資審議的話依照各個單位的話它也都是一種固定式的就是說譬如說半年後遺跡再審我希望說他們可以趕快幫我們\n其實在這邊我會一直強調說所有工程的進度是因為故宮明年的一百週年慶我們的這個工程進度一定要特別的關注希望是不是可以如期如止那在這邊針對這個故宮百年願慶我在這邊也要請教就是說我們迎來這個願慶的這個同時我們是不是會有個特展那想請教目前對於這個百年願慶的特展我們籌備的進度如何\n特展的進度現在都按照我們規劃的期程在進行那當然就是說包括國內展定期的話都會做一個策展的報告國外展的話也是目前的情況都很正常\n情況都很正常據說照你們的規劃的期程照你們的進度都有在安排那這邊呢你們報告裡面有寫說你們在你們有規劃在2025年會在會參加臺北的國際書展臺北國際旅展及高雄國際旅展以及日本舉辦的國際旅展這樣大型的展會的活動你們都會去參展來行銷故宮那這是報導上面有報導說\n故宮明年會規劃赴日參加2025年大阪世界博覽會但您報告裡面沒有提到你們有沒有規劃要去因為大阪世界博覽會是經濟部外貿協會在規劃的所以在這個規劃裡面的話故宮是融入整體的設計因為當然就是說日方的話\n﹝無言﹞\n規劃展示的話不是用用藏品而是用數位的影像所以影像的話當然我們就凸顯就是說故宮國寶中華文物在台灣的所以說我們參與的這個部分就對於大阪的市博我們去的不是帶藏品出門就對了我們用數位用3D用沉浸式的方式來做呈現\n那因為明年9月呢我們會到捷克以及明年11月會到法國有展出那也希望說我們對於產品的這個安全跟維護應該要有周密的計畫相關的SOP一定要落實及確實這個部分希望你們一定要很謹慎你們目前對這些產品的整個的規劃呢\n跟委員報告國境化交流的話基本上來講標準的作業程序的話一定是有的所以這個部分的話請委員放心然後整個司法面扣押然後甚至國內的文資審議然後甚至行政院的核定這個部分的話我們都會依規定期程來\n院長請主席給我一分鐘我講一下關於校園大使計畫你們在報告裡面又說你們要連結青年族群呈現多元的觀點所以你們110年開始有推動校園大使的計畫但是你們本來規劃說每年要培育12到13位的校園大使並在11所學校來推出來展出那這個本期是非常的肯定但是你們今年只有培育11位也只有在9校展出而且這4年展出的學校裡面都沒有我們彰化的大學\n是因為沒有學生報名還是沒有得到錄取?\n我想是因為沒有報名吧好本期是很期盼就是說我們故宮校園大使這個計畫能夠均衡城鄉除了離島之外其實彰化苗栗屏東台東也都沒有故宮校園大使這個巡展的這個活動喔這個部分我會希望說我們能夠加強輔導跟協助因為既然要擴大青年參與而且你們現在規劃只有北部院區的校園大使計畫希望說未來能夠擴大到南部的院區這個部分你們可以演繹嗎\n當然可以研議因為剛剛委員有提醒我們就是有關慶之會的功能跟今天這個我會回去會做一個整體的同盤檢討好謝謝院長謝謝主席謝謝陳秀寳委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.519 --> 00:34.514\n謝主席請蕭院長有請蕭院長委員長院長早安其實剛剛林警委員所質詢的這個議題對於我們一般的民眾其實對你們這個方式也一直覺得有點疑慮就是說如果是不對等條件的這樣子的一個計存方式您現在在這個位置上有能力可以解決您就要去解決它而不是用歷史脈絡或者說用古物的價值來推搪\n\n00:35.014 --> 00:56.369\n我努力在解決現在的話就是因為有6個法定的代表人6個法定的代表人他們的意見不一所以我努力在解決並不是沒有辦法並不是不願意解決好沒關係那院長這個部分呢我希望說如果您給林一景委員辦公室的你這個給他的\n\n00:57.819 --> 01:00.863\n報告一份給我辦公室我現在不跟你討論這個問題來我們來討論一下關於新故宮計劃最早呢我們為了強化故宮在觀光產業的發展的作用力呢那前院長林正儀內內提出了新故宮計劃\n\n01:12.699 --> 01:16.761\n那原本是計畫在107年啟動6年計畫期間是到112年那這個計畫內容包括整擴建故宮北院故宮南院新建國寶文物修復展示館以及博物館群國際觀光網絡的建制那\n\n01:29.688 --> 01:40.435\n而這個部分呢從107年啟動呢到現在其實經過行政院三次合定修正計畫本來的啟程呢更是延到了116年齁總經費來到107.47億元那我想請教院長目前我們執行的情況怎麼樣有落後嗎為什麼6年計畫會變成10年計畫\n\n01:51.973 --> 02:15.609\n六年計劃變成十年計劃當然就是有很多原因因為原來最早最早的話規劃是大故宮計劃那大故宮計劃的話就是有一些不一樣的聲音後來修訂為新故宮計劃新故宮計劃的話其實它就是小故宮計劃這不是大故宮計劃就是把一些工項收減然後把它集中在焦點的部分\n\n02:16.289 --> 02:19.832\n議員長您的意思是說原來的6年計劃改成10年是因為說計劃的內容是有調整的\n\n02:44.926 --> 03:11.108\n不是因為進度落後而延宕而是因為計劃的內容有調整才會6年變成10年進度的話以目前來講的話北部的進度基本上來講的話大概符合一起正是北部的政管的整修就是畫面上這一個就是說因為他的文職審議的話現在有一點點焦灼所以我們已經又報到台北市政府去了\n\n03:11.588 --> 03:19.494\n那南院的部分的話目前的進度還算順利然後就是這邊請教您這個關於進度的問題是因為故宮明年即將迎來100週年慶那如何確保新故宮計畫整個工程進度及歷史建築修復及再利用計畫不會延長這個真的非常的重要也希望院長這邊您要特別關注特別的用心另外再請教我們故宮南院新館原本是規劃有三個部分\n\n03:38.767 --> 03:57.806\n其中博物館展示有設置人氣國寶廳數位展廳以及國際展廳原本預計明年9月就要完工驗收115年的年底可以開館試營運但是因為這個期間因為種種因素有疫情的因素或是物料上漲的因素我們工程有三次流標\n\n03:58.747 --> 04:22.332\n現在已經延到115年的10月之前主體建築才能夠完工那要到116年的12月底才能開館試營運那我想請教院長以目前工程的進度您有沒有把握在116年的年底能夠如期的試營運以目前的新的進度的流程表的話是沒有問題因為目前整體的進度來講的話微乎超前\n\n04:23.288 --> 04:46.018\n好如果以南院這邊現在目前進度是微乎超前的話那院長您是有信心的那再請教關於故宮的北院院區的整擴建計畫包括我們鎮館的整建就是含屋頂漏水的這個部分有五大項的工程那你們在報告裡面就提到說112年度起執行的研究大樓以及圖書文獻大樓等整建工程呢\n\n04:46.778 --> 05:08.897\n途書文獻大樓會在今年底竣工那麼其他的部分呢包括研究大樓政管整件這些部分目前執行的進度為何那個途書文獻大樓就未來的第二展覽館的話在今年年底可以報進那另外的話那個我們新的行政辦公大樓的話跟圖書館的話是已經在10月份的時候報進那\n\n05:10.959 --> 05:28.541\n研究大樓的話就要到明年的5月左右那政管的部分的話因為目前還等待那個臺北市政府文化局的文資審議所以這個部分的話就是要看後面的一個審議的一個狀況\n\n05:30.833 --> 05:56.165\n審議的狀況會影響很久嗎?他們要多久才會有這個結果?我有特別去拜訪那個臺北市文化局的蔡世平局長就是請他就是說我們送進去以後能夠趕快排那個文資審議因為文資審議的話依照各個單位的話它也都是一種固定式的就是說譬如說半年後遺跡再審我希望說他們可以趕快幫我們\n\n05:57.746 --> 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您是有信心的，那再請教關於故宮北院院區整擴建計畫，包括正館的整建，含屋頂漏水部分有五大項工程，你們的報告中提到，112年度起執行研究大樓以及圖書文獻大樓等整建工程，圖書文獻大樓會在今年底竣工，其他部分包括研究大樓、正館整建部分，目前執行的進度為何？"],["蕭院長宗煌：圖書文獻大樓就是未來的第二展覽館，今年年底可以報竣。另外新的行政辦公大樓跟圖書館，已經在10月份時報竣；研究大樓部分，要到明年5月左右，至於正館部分，目前還在等待臺北市政府文化局的文資審議，所以這個部分要看後續審議的狀況。"],["陳委員秀寳：審議的狀況會影響很久嗎？他們要多久才會有結果？"],["蕭院長宗煌：我有特別去拜訪臺北市文化局蔡詩萍局長，請他在我們送進去以後，能夠趕快排文資審議，因為文資審議依照各個單位處理方式，是有一種固定式的作法，譬如半年或一季再審，我是希望他們可以趕快幫我們排審。"],["陳委員秀寳：我之所以在這邊一直強調工程的進度，是因為故宮明年的一百週年慶，所以在工程進度上一定要特別關注，希望可以如期如質。針對故宮百年院慶，我在這邊也要請教院長，迎來這個院慶的同時，我們是不是會有個特展？目前對於這個百年院慶特展，籌備的進度如何？"],["蕭院長宗煌：特展的進度，現在都按照規劃的期程在進行，包括國內展，定期都會做策展報告；國外展也是如此，目前情況都很正常。"],["陳委員秀寳：情況都很正常，就是都有照你們規劃的期程、進度在安排？"],["蕭院長宗煌：是。"],["陳委員秀寳：另外，報告裡提到，你們規劃2025年會參加臺北國際書展、臺北國際旅展及高雄國際旅展，以及參加日本舉辦的國際旅展等大型展會活動，藉以行銷故宮，但是有報導指出，故宮明年會規劃赴日參加2025年大阪世界博覽會，為什麼你的報告裡沒有提到？你們有沒有規劃要去？"],["蕭院長宗煌：大阪世博會是經濟部外貿協會在規劃的，在這個規劃裡面，故宮是融入整體設計，因為日方不贊成我們用國家的名稱，而故宮是叫做國立故宮博物院，所以我們就是融合到整個展覽裡面。"],["陳委員秀寳：就是整體計畫你們參與一部分，而不是有故宮自己的主體？"],["蕭院長宗煌：是。"],["陳委員秀寳：那你們規劃展示什麼藏品？"],["蕭院長宗煌：規劃展示的話，不是用藏品，而是用數位的影像，當然我們就是凸顯故宮國寶、中華文物在臺灣的……"],["陳委員秀寳：所以對於大阪的世博，我們參與的不是帶藏品出門就對了？"],["蕭院長宗煌：我們用數位、用3D、用沉浸式的方式來呈現。"],["陳委員秀寳：好，因為明年9月會到捷克，以及明年11月會到法國展出，我們希望對於藏品的安全跟維護應該要有周密的計畫，相關的SOP一定要落實及確實，這個部分你們一定要很謹慎，你們目前對於這些藏品的整個規劃呢？"],["蕭院長宗煌：跟委員報告，國際化交流基本上來講，標準的作業程序一定是有的，所以這個部分請委員放心。然後整個司法免扣押，甚至國內的文資審議以及行政院的核定，這些部分我們都會依規定期程來處理。"],["陳委員秀寳：好，謝謝院長。請主席給我一分鐘，我講一下。關於校園大使計畫，你們在報告裡面又說你們要連結青年族群，呈現多元的觀點，所以你們從110年開始推動校園大使的計畫，你們本來規劃每年要培育十二到十三位校園大使，並在十一所學校展出，對此本席非常肯定，但是你們今年只有培育十一位，也只有在九校展出，而且這四年展出的學校裡面都沒有彰化的大學，是因為沒有學生報名還是沒有得到錄取？"],["蕭院長宗煌：我想是因為沒有報名。"],["陳委員秀寳：本席很期盼故宮校園大使計畫能夠均衡城鄉，除了離島之外，其實彰化、苗栗、屏東、臺東也都沒有故宮校園大使巡展的活動，針對這個部分我希望能夠加強輔導跟協助，因為既然要擴大青年參與，而且你們現在規劃只有北部院區的校園大使計畫，希望未來能夠擴大到南部的院區，這個部分你們可以研議嗎？"],["蕭院長宗煌：當然可以研議，因為剛剛委員有提醒我們有關青諮會的功能跟青年……這個我回去會做一個整體的通盤檢討。"],["陳委員秀寳：好，謝謝院長，謝謝主席。"],["主席（葛委員如鈞代）：謝謝陳秀寳委員，謝謝院長，官員請回座。","接著請召委萬美玲委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":428,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-5","speakers":["萬美玲","洪孟楷","柯志恩","林倩綺","陳培瑜","林宜瑾","陳秀寳","葛如鈞","郭昱晴","張雅琳","吳沛憶","范雲","羅廷瑋","葉元之","陳冠廷","吳春城"],"page_start":383,"meetingDate":["2024-10-24"],"gazette_id":"1138901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1138901_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請國立故宮博物院院長蕭宗煌列席報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1138901_00006"}}}