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00:02:07,012\n媒體需求因為有一些包括在採訪的時候有一些機敏性所以無法讓媒體記者到第一線就是由軍文社拍好提供給媒體然後如果現在我在我們的夜報裡面看到的政戰局的這個媒體試讀這個是在舉光原地裡面所公佈的對不對\n\n7\n00:02:23,228 --> 00:02:47,271\n我特別去看了幾集的內容啦專家學者中規中矩但是就會覺得影片很長但是卻沒有辦法真的那麼的吸睛其實本席今天的第一個題目要提出的是部長我們知道現在臉書YT我們都有在做使用可是觸及率不高當面對中國現在也在搞他們的大外宣甚至於是把他放到\n\n8\n00:02:48,852 --> 00:03:12,776\n這個YT上面讓國人來看或者是讓媒體來取用的時候我們在面對宣傳的時候雖然喔最近在野黨在卡總預算然後他們特別會去拿所謂的行銷預算來做杯葛認為說啊這個就是在洗人民的腦但是我必須要強調這種當別人也在尤其是我們的敵對勢力也在對我們進行恫嚇的時候那麼我們自己在\n\n9\n00:03:16,937 --> 00:03:17,297\n陣政局先回答一下\n\n10\n00:03:39,172 --> 00:03:41,533\n委員好我是偵證局局長陳玉玲跟委員報告首先是在媒體試讀的這個部分我們除了在舉光原地播出之外同時我們也會在YouTube上面上架然後在我們的全民國防資訊網裡面所有的媒體試讀的課程也都會在我們的資訊網上公佈另外也會提供給\n\n11\n00:04:05,265 --> 00:04:06,706\n因為現在YouTube上面其實是百家爭鳴如果你只是放上去的話多數是無法獲得點閱率的\n\n12\n00:04:34,838 --> 00:05:00,665\n那麼我們都知道其實現在民眾有高達80%以上他們會用LINE的方式或者是LINE的官方網站等等當然我不是在幫特定的社群平台來做推銷而是這種直接推播的方式觸及率會更高那麼如果只是被動的放在YT上面那麼常常就是放上去但是無人問津臉書也同樣所以我本期做一個提醒因為\n\n13\n00:05:01,945 --> 00:05:25,914\n這個必須要有一定的規劃那麼才能夠真的讓更多的這個有關於國軍需要傳遞的資訊讓大家看到那麼其實我想問的是這樣就是我們在這個有關於秀軍事肌肉是一件好事我也認為軍文社拍的影片有越來越好坦白說過去本席20年前在看現在的照片或是影片都非常的精準\n\n14\n00:05:26,354 --> 00:05:45,749\n但是就怕我們在拍攝的過程當中一個不小心啊就被人家找麻煩比如說國軍在這個呃國軍線上的陸軍有關於無人機的這個射擊模擬的過程當中非常的好拍的也不錯但是就被人家抓到說有用中國大通慢巴的晶片\n\n15\n00:05:46,369 --> 00:06:10,610\n甚至於過去我們在許多的這些展示的照片的時候也被發現說有大疆的無人機那像這樣的過程當中到底是我們本身無法拒絕紅色供應鏈還是說是照片的誤用這樣的一個狀況是什麼因為一方面我們本來是要宣傳軍融壯盛但是卻變成是突財變成是\n\n16\n00:06:12,972 --> 00:06:24,985\n有問題的影片或影像洩露出去那這個狀況有沒有一個事前的核稿或者是就是有審視這個照片的內容是不是可以出去所以你們的過程是什麼樣\n\n17\n00:06:26,328 --> 00:06:51,748\n委員好我是新聞處處長跟委員補充報告一下有關審片機制基本上國防部其實是非常完整的從不管是軍媒單位本身然後到偵探局的階層都有不同的一個審片階層您剛剛提到這個影片有關於這個晶片這段東西它本身這個影片它是一個在概念驗證過程當中的一個影片所以它其實裡面的內容它強調的\n\n18\n00:06:53,209 --> 00:07:15,199\n他並不是真的我們使用而是所謂的模擬畫面那你要知道像電視台如果是模擬畫面它上面會寫模擬畫面或非當事人或本人因為像這種照片一但出去之後或是這個影像一出去之後就很容易造成誤解比如說就像您剛剛解釋包括我之前在詢問的時候我得到的\n\n19\n00:07:15,819 --> 00:07:16,580\n其實國防部對社群平台的運用怎麼樣去\n\n20\n00:07:43,143 --> 00:07:43,323\n李卓人議員\n\n21\n00:08:03,237 --> 00:08:22,282\n在這邊提醒的就是像中國大通曼巴這個晶片的事情或者是說我們的無人機採購或展示的過程中出現了大家無人機這種我們被視為是中國製紅色供應鏈的像這樣的照片或影像其實就不應該出去如果是概念就可以直接寫是概念式的\n\n22\n00:08:24,051 --> 00:08:38,479\n是,跟委員報告,因為剛剛您提到那個,因為這個是屬於還在概念驗證的一個階段的一個影片,那剛剛委員指教就是說我們確實以後還要再多注意在這一點上面,那這個部分\n\n23\n00:08:43,862 --> 00:08:57,254\n如果說我們多元的這個傳播的這個管道我是覺得應該要希望這個政戰局也好跟新聞處也好我們來持續來精進\n\n24\n00:08:59,716 --> 00:09:23,287\n那另外一個當然是本席一直在持續追蹤的就是軍中現在國軍是不是因為受到這個假借貸徵洩密的持續威脅因為在9月18號又有一對許姓的兄弟因為逃避債務涉嫌跟中共的情報人員勾結以借貸為名義那麼他們是以吸收現役軍人來發展\n\n25\n00:09:24,668 --> 00:09:51,958\n共諜組織從中獲取不罰所得高達397萬那麼其實在之前我也多次的指出說在社群平台上面會出現這種要你用軍人證又或者是你只要願意拍攝一些軍方機密的這些照片甚至不一定是機密你只要是所在你所在的軍營裡面的相關照片就可以獲取一定的獲利喔那麼\n\n26\n00:09:52,538 --> 00:10:13,190\n其實這樣的事情我想我一直在追一直在問的原因是因為到底他只是真的提高國軍的金融素養就夠了嗎還是說其實在國防部或相關的單位有機會可以防範於未然比如說我們大概都知道弟兄的薪水是什麼樣的狀況\n\n27\n00:10:14,471 --> 00:10:41,506\n如果說今天國軍弟兄的薪水他的許多的負擔已經超出他的薪水所得我們知道像現在有些是因為資金的借貸甚至有一些是出現了打電玩然後去買點數卡等等那當然有另外一種是進入了所謂的詐騙陷阱那麼在這個部分請問部長在我們持續的追蹤之後到底\n\n28\n00:10:42,146 --> 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我是新聞處處長跟委員補充報告一下有關審片機制基本上國防部其實是非常完整的從不管是軍媒單位本身然後到偵探局的階層都有不同的一個審片階層您剛剛提到這個影片有關於這個晶片這段東西它本身這個影片它是一個在概念驗證過程當中的一個影片所以它其實裡面的內容它強調的\n413209\t435199\t他並不是真的我們使用而是所謂的模擬畫面那你要知道像電視台如果是模擬畫面它上面會寫模擬畫面或非當事人或本人因為像這種照片一但出去之後或是這個影像一出去之後就很容易造成誤解比如說就像您剛剛解釋包括我之前在詢問的時候我得到的\n435819\t436580\t其實國防部對社群平台的運用怎麼樣去\n463143\t463323\t李卓人議員\n483237\t502282\t在這邊提醒的就是像中國大通曼巴這個晶片的事情或者是說我們的無人機採購或展示的過程中出現了大家無人機這種我們被視為是中國製紅色供應鏈的像這樣的照片或影像其實就不應該出去如果是概念就可以直接寫是概念式的\n504051\t518479\t是,跟委員報告,因為剛剛您提到那個,因為這個是屬於還在概念驗證的一個階段的一個影片,那剛剛委員指教就是說我們確實以後還要再多注意在這一點上面,那這個部分\n523862\t537254\t如果說我們多元的這個傳播的這個管道我是覺得應該要希望這個政戰局也好跟新聞處也好我們來持續來精進\n539716\t563287\t那另外一個當然是本席一直在持續追蹤的就是軍中現在國軍是不是因為受到這個假借貸徵洩密的持續威脅因為在9月18號又有一對許姓的兄弟因為逃避債務涉嫌跟中共的情報人員勾結以借貸為名義那麼他們是以吸收現役軍人來發展\n564668\t591958\t共諜組織從中獲取不罰所得高達397萬那麼其實在之前我也多次的指出說在社群平台上面會出現這種要你用軍人證又或者是你只要願意拍攝一些軍方機密的這些照片甚至不一定是機密你只要是所在你所在的軍營裡面的相關照片就可以獲取一定的獲利喔那麼\n592538\t613190\t其實這樣的事情我想我一直在追一直在問的原因是因為到底他只是真的提高國軍的金融素養就夠了嗎還是說其實在國防部或相關的單位有機會可以防範於未然比如說我們大概都知道弟兄的薪水是什麼樣的狀況\n614471\t641506\t如果說今天國軍弟兄的薪水他的許多的負擔已經超出他的薪水所得我們知道像現在有些是因為資金的借貸甚至有一些是出現了打電玩然後去買點數卡等等那當然有另外一種是進入了所謂的詐騙陷阱那麼在這個部分請問部長在我們持續的追蹤之後到底\n642146\t666507\t這樣的事情除了事後的補鍋之外我們有沒有機會防範於未然先去了解國軍弟兄他們的財務的狀況呢部長是我們現在應該是要來有一個輔導的機制跟人員的考核的方式的一個計畫來了解這個財務失衡的這個官兵的一個態樣那如果有發現的話我們會跟\n669599\t672181\t因為我們知道這個金錢的誘惑其實事實上過去一直是存在的那麼過去我們\n697574\t712044\t有相關的這種類似共諜組織他一定都是用錢的方式只是當然如果用這種現在通訊軟體社群平台這種借貸的方式可能更不容易去掌握但是他接觸力可能會更廣那麼這個部分的話恐怕除了心理輔導之外也在國軍內部的財務相關\n719289\t722231\t對,當然,另外對國軍的這個相關的一些宣導和教育也是很重要的,是,我們會持續來進行\n","txt":"謝謝主席 主席有請顧部長請顧部長是 林委員好部長早安 這個一個禮拜連續兩天都在這個委員會見到您其實無人機這個話題我想因為全民都蠻關注的所以在委員會當中也提蠻多的了所以今天我其實比較想要針對就是像這樣無人機其實上一次我們在講到那個\n中共的聯合力艦B的時候我有特別點出一個點是說這一次他們在整個軍演的過程中還搭配了YT上面的這個展示喔那麼這個可以說是他們首次出現過去呢當然我們都說這個中國到底這個軍力有多軍容壯盛他們常常會有這些影片的展示但這一次他們是搭配了就是一個空景的畫面但是旁邊他們放了一個\n林楚茵\n林楚茵\n長白就是恫嚇全世界恫嚇台灣人我稍微查了一下就是國防部各個單位社群其實使用的蠻多的但是主要都是臉書跟YT為主那麼我們知道這個陣戰局之前我在看這個我們的這個報告的時候呢也有特別提到有媒體試讀那麼我其實比較想要詢問的部長的是說過去軍文社他是提供\n媒體需求因為有一些包括在採訪的時候有一些機敏性所以無法讓媒體記者到第一線就是由軍文社拍好提供給媒體然後如果現在我在我們的夜報裡面看到的政戰局的這個媒體試讀這個是在舉光原地裡面所公佈的對不對\n我特別去看了幾集的內容啦專家學者中規中矩但是就會覺得影片很長但是卻沒有辦法真的那麼的吸睛其實本席今天的第一個題目要提出的是部長我們知道現在臉書YT我們都有在做使用可是觸及率不高當面對中國現在也在搞他們的大外宣甚至於是把他放到\n這個YT上面讓國人來看或者是讓媒體來取用的時候我們在面對宣傳的時候雖然喔最近在野黨在卡總預算然後他們特別會去拿所謂的行銷預算來做杯葛認為說啊這個就是在洗人民的腦但是我必須要強調這種當別人也在尤其是我們的敵對勢力也在對我們進行恫嚇的時候那麼我們自己在\n陣政局先回答一下\n委員好 我是偵證局局長陳玉玲跟委員報告首先是在媒體試讀的這個部分我們除了在舉光原地播出之外同時我們也會在YouTube上面上架然後在我們的全民國防資訊網裡面所有的媒體試讀的課程也都會在我們的資訊網上公佈另外也會提供給\n因為現在YouTube上面其實是百家爭鳴如果你只是放上去的話多數是無法獲得點閱率的\n那麼我們都知道其實現在民眾有高達80%以上他們會用LINE的方式或者是LINE的官方網站等等當然我不是在幫特定的社群平台來做推銷而是這種直接推播的方式觸及率會更高那麼如果只是被動的放在YT上面那麼常常就是放上去但是無人問津臉書也同樣所以我本期做一個提醒因為\n這個必須要有一定的規劃那麼才能夠真的讓更多的這個有關於國軍需要傳遞的資訊讓大家看到那麼其實我想問的是這樣就是我們在這個有關於秀軍事肌肉是一件好事我也認為軍文社拍的影片有越來越好坦白說過去本席20年前在看現在的照片或是影片都非常的精準\n但是就怕我們在拍攝的過程當中一個不小心啊就被人家找麻煩比如說國軍在這個呃國軍線上的陸軍有關於無人機的這個射擊模擬的過程當中非常的好拍的也不錯但是就被人家抓到說有用中國大通慢巴的晶片\n甚至於過去我們在許多的這些展示的照片的時候也被發現說有大疆的無人機那像這樣的過程當中到底是我們本身無法拒絕紅色供應鏈還是說是照片的誤用這樣的一個狀況是什麼因為一方面我們本來是要宣傳軍融壯盛但是卻變成是突財變成是\n有問題的影片或影像洩露出去那這個狀況有沒有一個事前的核稿或者是就是有審視這個照片的內容是不是可以出去所以你們的過程是什麼樣\n委員好 我是新聞處處長跟委員補充報告一下有關審片機制基本上國防部其實是非常完整的從不管是軍媒單位本身然後到偵探局的階層都有不同的一個審片階層您剛剛提到這個影片有關於這個晶片這段東西它本身這個影片它是一個在概念驗證過程當中的一個影片所以它其實裡面的內容它強調的\n他並不是真的我們使用而是所謂的模擬畫面那你要知道像電視台如果是模擬畫面它上面會寫模擬畫面或非當事人或本人因為像這種照片一但出去之後或是這個影像一出去之後就很容易造成誤解比如說就像您剛剛解釋包括我之前在詢問的時候我得到的\n其實國防部對社群平台的運用怎麼樣去\n李卓人議員\n在這邊提醒的就是像中國大通曼巴這個晶片的事情或者是說我們的無人機採購或展示的過程中出現了大家無人機這種我們被視為是中國製紅色供應鏈的像這樣的照片或影像其實就不應該出去如果是概念就可以直接寫是概念式的\n是,跟委員報告,因為剛剛您提到那個,因為這個是屬於還在概念驗證的一個階段的一個影片,那剛剛委員指教就是說我們確實以後還要再多注意在這一點上面,那這個部分\n如果說我們多元的這個傳播的這個管道我是覺得應該要希望這個政戰局也好跟新聞處也好我們來持續來精進\n那另外一個當然是本席一直在持續追蹤的就是軍中現在國軍是不是因為受到這個假借貸徵洩密的持續威脅因為在9月18號又有一對許姓的兄弟因為逃避債務涉嫌跟中共的情報人員勾結以借貸為名義那麼他們是以吸收現役軍人來發展\n共諜組織從中獲取不罰所得高達397萬那麼其實在之前我也多次的指出說在社群平台上面會出現這種要你用軍人證又或者是你只要願意拍攝一些軍方機密的這些照片甚至不一定是機密你只要是所在你所在的軍營裡面的相關照片就可以獲取一定的獲利喔那麼\n其實這樣的事情我想我一直在追一直在問的原因是因為到底他只是真的提高國軍的金融素養就夠了嗎還是說其實在國防部或相關的單位有機會可以防範於未然比如說我們大概都知道弟兄的薪水是什麼樣的狀況\n如果說今天國軍弟兄的薪水他的許多的負擔已經超出他的薪水所得我們知道像現在有些是因為資金的借貸甚至有一些是出現了打電玩然後去買點數卡等等那當然有另外一種是進入了所謂的詐騙陷阱那麼在這個部分請問部長在我們持續的追蹤之後到底\n這樣的事情除了事後的補鍋之外我們有沒有機會防範於未然先去了解國軍弟兄他們的財務的狀況呢部長是我們現在應該是要來有一個輔導的機制跟人員的考核的方式的一個計畫來了解這個財務失衡的這個官兵的一個態樣那如果有發現的話我們會跟\n因為我們知道這個金錢的誘惑其實事實上過去一直是存在的那麼過去我們\n有相關的這種類似共諜組織他一定都是用錢的方式只是當然如果用這種現在通訊軟體社群平台這種借貸的方式可能更不容易去掌握但是他接觸力可能會更廣那麼這個部分的話恐怕除了心理輔導之外也在國軍內部的財務相關\n對,當然,另外對國軍的這個相關的一些宣導和教育也是很重要的,是,我們會持續來進行\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:03.271\n謝謝主席主席有請顧部長請顧部長是林委員好部長早安這個一個禮拜連續兩天都在這個委員會見到您其實無人機這個話題我想因為全民都蠻關注的所以在委員會當中也提蠻多的了所以今天我其實比較想要針對就是像這樣無人機其實上一次我們在講到那個\n\n00:28.971 --> 00:57.992\n中共的聯合力艦B的時候我有特別點出一個點是說這一次他們在整個軍演的過程中還搭配了YT上面的這個展示喔那麼這個可以說是他們首次出現過去呢當然我們都說這個中國到底這個軍力有多軍容壯盛他們常常會有這些影片的展示但這一次他們是搭配了就是一個空景的畫面但是旁邊他們放了一個\n\n00:58.892 --> 00:59.172\n林楚茵\n\n01:14.265 --> 01:14.425\n林楚茵\n\n01:36.415 --> 01:40.357\n長白就是恫嚇全世界恫嚇台灣人我稍微查了一下就是國防部各個單位社群其實使用的蠻多的但是主要都是臉書跟YT為主那麼我們知道這個陣戰局之前我在看這個我們的這個報告的時候呢也有特別提到有媒體試讀那麼我其實比較想要詢問的部長的是說過去軍文社他是提供\n\n02:02.647 --> 02:07.012\n媒體需求因為有一些包括在採訪的時候有一些機敏性所以無法讓媒體記者到第一線就是由軍文社拍好提供給媒體然後如果現在我在我們的夜報裡面看到的政戰局的這個媒體試讀這個是在舉光原地裡面所公佈的對不對\n\n02:23.228 --> 02:47.271\n我特別去看了幾集的內容啦專家學者中規中矩但是就會覺得影片很長但是卻沒有辦法真的那麼的吸睛其實本席今天的第一個題目要提出的是部長我們知道現在臉書YT我們都有在做使用可是觸及率不高當面對中國現在也在搞他們的大外宣甚至於是把他放到\n\n02:48.852 --> 03:12.776\n這個YT上面讓國人來看或者是讓媒體來取用的時候我們在面對宣傳的時候雖然喔最近在野黨在卡總預算然後他們特別會去拿所謂的行銷預算來做杯葛認為說啊這個就是在洗人民的腦但是我必須要強調這種當別人也在尤其是我們的敵對勢力也在對我們進行恫嚇的時候那麼我們自己在\n\n03:16.937 --> 03:17.297\n陣政局先回答一下\n\n03:39.172 --> 03:41.533\n委員好我是偵證局局長陳玉玲跟委員報告首先是在媒體試讀的這個部分我們除了在舉光原地播出之外同時我們也會在YouTube上面上架然後在我們的全民國防資訊網裡面所有的媒體試讀的課程也都會在我們的資訊網上公佈另外也會提供給\n\n04:05.265 --> 04:06.706\n因為現在YouTube上面其實是百家爭鳴如果你只是放上去的話多數是無法獲得點閱率的\n\n04:34.838 --> 05:00.665\n那麼我們都知道其實現在民眾有高達80%以上他們會用LINE的方式或者是LINE的官方網站等等當然我不是在幫特定的社群平台來做推銷而是這種直接推播的方式觸及率會更高那麼如果只是被動的放在YT上面那麼常常就是放上去但是無人問津臉書也同樣所以我本期做一個提醒因為\n\n05:01.945 --> 05:25.914\n這個必須要有一定的規劃那麼才能夠真的讓更多的這個有關於國軍需要傳遞的資訊讓大家看到那麼其實我想問的是這樣就是我們在這個有關於秀軍事肌肉是一件好事我也認為軍文社拍的影片有越來越好坦白說過去本席20年前在看現在的照片或是影片都非常的精準\n\n05:26.354 --> 05:45.749\n但是就怕我們在拍攝的過程當中一個不小心啊就被人家找麻煩比如說國軍在這個呃國軍線上的陸軍有關於無人機的這個射擊模擬的過程當中非常的好拍的也不錯但是就被人家抓到說有用中國大通慢巴的晶片\n\n05:46.369 --> 06:10.610\n甚至於過去我們在許多的這些展示的照片的時候也被發現說有大疆的無人機那像這樣的過程當中到底是我們本身無法拒絕紅色供應鏈還是說是照片的誤用這樣的一個狀況是什麼因為一方面我們本來是要宣傳軍融壯盛但是卻變成是突財變成是\n\n06:12.972 --> 06:24.985\n有問題的影片或影像洩露出去那這個狀況有沒有一個事前的核稿或者是就是有審視這個照片的內容是不是可以出去所以你們的過程是什麼樣\n\n06:26.328 --> 06:51.748\n委員好我是新聞處處長跟委員補充報告一下有關審片機制基本上國防部其實是非常完整的從不管是軍媒單位本身然後到偵探局的階層都有不同的一個審片階層您剛剛提到這個影片有關於這個晶片這段東西它本身這個影片它是一個在概念驗證過程當中的一個影片所以它其實裡面的內容它強調的\n\n06:53.209 --> 07:15.199\n他並不是真的我們使用而是所謂的模擬畫面那你要知道像電視台如果是模擬畫面它上面會寫模擬畫面或非當事人或本人因為像這種照片一但出去之後或是這個影像一出去之後就很容易造成誤解比如說就像您剛剛解釋包括我之前在詢問的時候我得到的\n\n07:15.819 --> 07:16.580\n其實國防部對社群平台的運用怎麼樣去\n\n07:43.143 --> 07:43.323\n李卓人議員\n\n08:03.237 --> 08:22.282\n在這邊提醒的就是像中國大通曼巴這個晶片的事情或者是說我們的無人機採購或展示的過程中出現了大家無人機這種我們被視為是中國製紅色供應鏈的像這樣的照片或影像其實就不應該出去如果是概念就可以直接寫是概念式的\n\n08:24.051 --> 08:38.479\n是,跟委員報告,因為剛剛您提到那個,因為這個是屬於還在概念驗證的一個階段的一個影片,那剛剛委員指教就是說我們確實以後還要再多注意在這一點上面,那這個部分\n\n08:43.862 --> 08:57.254\n如果說我們多元的這個傳播的這個管道我是覺得應該要希望這個政戰局也好跟新聞處也好我們來持續來精進\n\n08:59.716 --> 09:23.287\n那另外一個當然是本席一直在持續追蹤的就是軍中現在國軍是不是因為受到這個假借貸徵洩密的持續威脅因為在9月18號又有一對許姓的兄弟因為逃避債務涉嫌跟中共的情報人員勾結以借貸為名義那麼他們是以吸收現役軍人來發展\n\n09:24.668 --> 09:51.958\n共諜組織從中獲取不罰所得高達397萬那麼其實在之前我也多次的指出說在社群平台上面會出現這種要你用軍人證又或者是你只要願意拍攝一些軍方機密的這些照片甚至不一定是機密你只要是所在你所在的軍營裡面的相關照片就可以獲取一定的獲利喔那麼\n\n09:52.538 --> 10:13.190\n其實這樣的事情我想我一直在追一直在問的原因是因為到底他只是真的提高國軍的金融素養就夠了嗎還是說其實在國防部或相關的單位有機會可以防範於未然比如說我們大概都知道弟兄的薪水是什麼樣的狀況\n\n10:14.471 --> 10:41.506\n如果說今天國軍弟兄的薪水他的許多的負擔已經超出他的薪水所得我們知道像現在有些是因為資金的借貸甚至有一些是出現了打電玩然後去買點數卡等等那當然有另外一種是進入了所謂的詐騙陷阱那麼在這個部分請問部長在我們持續的追蹤之後到底\n\n10:42.146 --> 11:06.507\n這樣的事情除了事後的補鍋之外我們有沒有機會防範於未然先去了解國軍弟兄他們的財務的狀況呢部長是我們現在應該是要來有一個輔導的機制跟人員的考核的方式的一個計畫來了解這個財務失衡的這個官兵的一個態樣那如果有發現的話我們會跟\n\n11:09.599 --> 11:12.181\n因為我們知道這個金錢的誘惑其實事實上過去一直是存在的那麼過去我們\n\n11:37.574 --> 11:52.044\n有相關的這種類似共諜組織他一定都是用錢的方式只是當然如果用這種現在通訊軟體社群平台這種借貸的方式可能更不容易去掌握但是他接觸力可能會更廣那麼這個部分的話恐怕除了心理輔導之外也在國軍內部的財務相關\n\n11:59.289 --> 12:02.231\n對,當然,另外對國軍的這個相關的一些宣導和教育也是很重要的,是,我們會持續來進行\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.009,"end":3.271,"text":"謝謝主席 主席有請顧部長請顧部長是 林委員好部長早安 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