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00:04:14,652\n這是一個名詞壯世代可是我們到底要怎麼去簽所以我認為說我們如果要去推動一個法案我們都是立法委員我們是要負責任的如果說今天只是為了這個壯世代倡議我絕對第一個舉手因為本來就是\n\n11\n00:04:15,848 --> 00:04:36,176\n我們要去做這樣的一個名詞的倡議讓大家去看到什麼是壯世代那其他的世代又是什麼那我們要去幫這些世代做什麼事情這本來就是不論是執政或在野每個人都要去做可是你要把它作為是法令的部分就要從長計議\n\n12\n00:04:38,546 --> 00:05:02,577\n這個是我們今天其實認為不宜就因為這樣子的一個答詢然後好像是否下一個階段就要進入主條哇這個好危險那公聽會是一場兩場三場所以我們真的要拜託一個好的議題千萬不要把它變成是一個大家對立的議題這是很可怕的\n\n13\n00:05:06,601 --> 00:05:31,039\n我們現在的社會別看這個對立啊大家希望的是smooth是希望的能夠你我互相關心你我互相往上提升所以千萬不能用一個法令又變成是一個政治的問題世代的問題\n\n14\n00:05:33,217 --> 00:05:33,677\n陳亭妃陳亭妃\n\n15\n00:06:03,308 --> 00:06:29,445\n我們對於長照的議題從小英總統上任到現在賴清的總統說要往上提升到3.0我們也看到整個長照基金的預算我們從2019年開始其實我們幾乎都是300億以上這樣的一個數額甚至是越往上到了我們\n\n16\n00:06:32,067 --> 00:06:56,181\n這個2023年的時候已經高達679億對不對然後我們現在在明年的部分我們所提出的是879億對不對但是非常遺憾現在預算還在空中飛還沒有進到立法院的真正審議當中\n\n17\n00:06:58,106 --> 00:07:14,796\n那我另外一個要跟市長分享的是當我們從300億到600億到800億甚至要接近到900億請問你們有沒有反觀我們做了這些之後\n\n18\n00:07:15,908 --> 00:07:37,826\n真正有keep到每個人長者的需求嗎有沒有你們有沒有去做通盤檢討或是隨時的檢討滾動式檢討有沒有是報告委員非常佩服委員對這部分的一個關心那我想兩個重點第一個我們預算增加我再補充一個數字如果再加上原民會還有其他的相關部會的話\n\n19\n00:07:38,587 --> 00:07:55,132\n明年賴總統他給我們的預算長照部分是927這是第一個另外第二個委員非常關心的就是說對於各個部分我們特別是對於我們現在目前這些長者的一個部分我跟委員報告我們現在目前有3.0裡面的一個策略其實2.0已經做很好\n\n20\n00:07:55,612 --> 00:08:23,542\n我們現在目前有個經濟策略最主要就是說對於輕中重不同的這一個的這個CMS的這一個各個層級我們都會有一個整個就是說個別化的一個整個的一個服務計畫好這個計畫很好可是我要問的是你們有沒有回歸到基層去了解你所做的這些計畫是不是就是計畫\n\n21\n00:08:25,436 --> 00:08:52,424\n還是真正有讓需要的人拿到他需要的幫助這很重要你要聽懂我的意思我們都來自基層沒錯你知道嗎有一個里長他都在幫大家做這些長照的宣導沒錯幫市政府做長照的宣導但是他有一次哭著來找我他說委員\n\n22\n00:08:54,042 --> 00:09:16,265\n我自己的先生用到我才知道原來在關鍵需要的時候束手無策為什麼什麼叫關鍵的時候當他先生要去看病的時候要去排交通車排不到\n\n23\n00:09:18,171 --> 00:09:35,788\n可是醫生是有時間的約定那你們今天我看到你們的交通接送服務是有的還有輔具居家無障礙環境改善服務是有的照顧及專業服務是有的\n\n24\n00:09:37,421 --> 00:10:03,303\n他跟我講說我當里長我就在幫政府宣導長照2.0長照可以有什麼樣的協助幫忙然後你可以跟政府怎麼申請要多多利用可是當他自己要使用的時候他用不到而且不知道要找誰去幫忙\n\n25\n00:10:06,297 --> 00:10:08,767\n所以我今天會在這個時候提出\n\n26\n00:10:11,155 --> 00:10:37,210\n因為你沒有辦法感受到他的那種心理的痛他本身里長做第一線在幫政府宣傳的喔所以我才會說你的計劃是單純就是計劃就是在消化預算的計劃還是真正有用到每個人需要的家中他真正能夠拿到我們的協助而讓這個家庭有所改善\n\n27\n00:10:38,010 --> 00:11:05,394\n而不是因為有一個長照的病人而讓他整個家人跟家庭都變成必須整個一片的黑暗我們的長照不就是這樣的嗎我們現在在協助不是就是說我們要幫大家所以我今天用這個故事用這樣的一個一個我自己直接\n\n28\n00:11:07,230 --> 00:11:23,221\n但你說我可以幫他嗎?我也幫不了他。最無奈的是我也幫不了他。為什麼?因為他是要有專車。他不是隨便的車子都可以載。那這個專車量夠嗎?那為什麼會有人排不到?那為什麼大家要搶著?這就是問題。\n\n29\n00:11:33,834 --> 00:11:33,854\n謝謝陳委員謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t229\t委員好\n25129\t33537\t我想今天對於壯世代倡議大家不反對但是今天是我們如何在一個議題當中讓\n35811\t54787\t﹏﹏﹏\n55171\t78726\t合併變成一部你們認為應該做這樣的一個壯世代政策跟產業發展的促進法然後把它匯集起來我相信這個是必須接受很大的討論因為如果今天把它全部抽出來那是不是我們所有的法都要重新檢討了\n80543\t109610\t因為我們一定拒絕跌床架屋的法令否則到底我這一部法規我要由誰來主管那我們經濟部有產業發展條例有中小企業發展條例這是經濟部那如果今天在壯世代政策與產業發展促進法草案如果這個案子通過了那如果遇到相類似的狀態那要由誰來做主導\n110905\t132501\t所以其實這是一個非常危險如果我們立法機關自己都搞不清楚然後就在這裡進行去做這樣的一個法案的討論是非常危險然後我就要問了我問部長跟次長請問我是屬於什麼世代\n135179\t159044\t我是屬於什麼世代今天壯世代大家在倡議之後我要問我屬於什麼世代我50歲50歲63年次我屬於什麼世代這個是把它做了一個切割你反而那我是不是要再推一個叫親世代是不是\n161550\t171042\t否則有壯世代政策與產業發展促進法草案那我是不是要再推一個青世代政策與產業發展促進法草案\n172304\t195750\t否則有可能現在我們所看到的壯世代如果他是以中高齡他是目前經濟的強勢喔那青世代在50歲以下這一塊反而是我們現在要協助他如何往上提升進入到經濟強勢那請問哪一個區塊\n201482\t223060\t更為重要那是不是又變成世代的差異這是有很危險當我們在倡議壯世代的時候那我們有沒有反過來思考說那另外一個世代呢那這個壯世代我們現在所說的是以幾歲做區隔現在對壯世代的定義並沒有那麼清楚這只是一個名詞\n231670\t254652\t這是一個名詞壯世代可是我們到底要怎麼去簽所以我認為說我們如果要去推動一個法案我們都是立法委員我們是要負責任的如果說今天只是為了這個壯世代倡議我絕對第一個舉手因為本來就是\n255848\t276176\t我們要去做這樣的一個名詞的倡議讓大家去看到什麼是壯世代那其他的世代又是什麼那我們要去幫這些世代做什麼事情這本來就是不論是執政或在野每個人都要去做可是你要把它作為是法令的部分就要從長計議\n278546\t302577\t這個是我們今天其實認為不宜就因為這樣子的一個答詢然後好像是否下一個階段就要進入主條哇 這個好危險那公聽會是一場兩場三場所以我們真的要拜託一個好的議題千萬不要把它變成是一個大家對立的議題這是很可怕的\n306601\t331039\t我們現在的社會 別看這個對立啊 大家希望的是 smooth 是希望的能夠你我互相關心 你我互相往上提升 所以千萬不能用一個法令又變成是一個政治的問題 世代的問題\n333217\t333677\t陳亭妃陳亭妃\n363308\t389445\t我們對於長照的議題從小英總統上任到現在賴清的總統說要往上提升到3.0我們也看到整個長照基金的預算我們從2019年開始其實我們幾乎都是300億以上這樣的一個數額甚至是越往上到了我們\n392067\t416181\t這個2023年的時候已經高達679億對不對然後我們現在在明年的部分我們所提出的是879億對不對但是非常遺憾現在預算還在空中飛還沒有進到立法院的真正審議當中\n418106\t434796\t那我另外一個要跟市長分享的是當我們從300億到600億到800億甚至要接近到900億請問你們有沒有反觀我們做了這些之後\n435908\t457826\t真正有keep到每個人長者的需求嗎有沒有你們有沒有去做通盤檢討或是隨時的檢討滾動式檢討有沒有是報告委員非常佩服委員對這部分的一個關心那我想兩個重點第一個我們預算增加我再補充一個數字如果再加上原民會還有其他的相關部會的話\n458587\t475132\t明年賴總統他給我們的預算長照部分是927這是第一個另外第二個委員非常關心的就是說對於各個部分我們特別是對於我們現在目前這些長者的一個部分我跟委員報告我們現在目前有3.0裡面的一個策略其實2.0已經做很好\n475612\t503542\t我們現在目前有個經濟策略最主要就是說對於輕中重不同的這一個的這個CMS的這一個各個層級我們都會有一個整個就是說個別化的一個整個的一個服務計畫好這個計畫很好可是我要問的是你們有沒有回歸到基層去了解你所做的這些計畫是不是就是計畫\n505436\t532424\t還是真正有讓需要的人拿到他需要的幫助這很重要你要聽懂我的意思我們都來自基層沒錯你知道嗎有一個里長他都在幫大家做這些長照的宣導沒錯幫市政府做長照的宣導但是他有一次哭著來找我他說委員\n534042\t556265\t我自己的先生用到我才知道原來在關鍵需要的時候束手無策為什麼什麼叫關鍵的時候當他先生要去看病的時候要去排交通車排不到\n558171\t575788\t可是醫生是有時間的約定那你們今天我看到你們的交通接送服務是有的還有輔具居家無障礙環境改善服務是有的照顧及專業服務是有的\n577421\t603303\t他跟我講說我當里長我就在幫政府宣導長照2.0長照可以有什麼樣的協助幫忙然後你可以跟政府怎麼申請要多多利用可是當他自己要使用的時候他用不到而且不知道要找誰去幫忙\n606297\t608767\t所以我今天會在這個時候提出\n611155\t637210\t因為你沒有辦法感受到他的那種心理的痛他本身里長做第一線在幫政府宣傳的喔所以我才會說你的計劃是單純就是計劃就是在消化預算的計劃還是真正有用到每個人需要的家中他真正能夠拿到我們的協助而讓這個家庭有所改善\n638010\t665394\t而不是因為有一個長照的病人而讓他整個家人跟家庭都變成必須整個一片的黑暗我們的長照不就是這樣的嗎我們現在在協助不是就是說我們要幫大家所以我今天用這個故事用這樣的一個一個我自己直接\n667230\t683221\t但你說我可以幫他嗎?我也幫不了他。最無奈的是我也幫不了他。為什麼?因為他是要有專車。他不是隨便的車子都可以載。那這個專車量夠嗎?那為什麼會有人排不到?那為什麼大家要搶著?這就是問題。\n693834\t693854\t謝謝陳委員 謝謝\n","txt":"委員好\n我想今天對於壯世代倡議大家不反對但是今天是我們如何在一個議題當中讓\n﹏﹏﹏\n合併變成一部你們認為應該做這樣的一個壯世代政策跟產業發展的促進法然後把它匯集起來我相信這個是必須接受很大的討論因為如果今天把它全部抽出來那是不是我們所有的法都要重新檢討了\n因為我們一定拒絕跌床架屋的法令否則到底我這一部法規我要由誰來主管那我們經濟部有產業發展條例有中小企業發展條例這是經濟部那如果今天在壯世代政策與產業發展促進法草案如果這個案子通過了那如果遇到相類似的狀態那要由誰來做主導\n所以其實這是一個非常危險如果我們立法機關自己都搞不清楚然後就在這裡進行去做這樣的一個法案的討論是非常危險然後我就要問了我問部長跟次長請問我是屬於什麼世代\n我是屬於什麼世代今天壯世代大家在倡議之後我要問我屬於什麼世代我50歲50歲63年次我屬於什麼世代這個是把它做了一個切割你反而那我是不是要再推一個叫親世代是不是\n否則有壯世代政策與產業發展促進法草案那我是不是要再推一個青世代政策與產業發展促進法草案\n否則有可能現在我們所看到的壯世代如果他是以中高齡他是目前經濟的強勢喔那青世代在50歲以下這一塊反而是我們現在要協助他如何往上提升進入到經濟強勢那請問哪一個區塊\n更為重要那是不是又變成世代的差異這是有很危險當我們在倡議壯世代的時候那我們有沒有反過來思考說那另外一個世代呢那這個壯世代我們現在所說的是以幾歲做區隔現在對壯世代的定義並沒有那麼清楚這只是一個名詞\n這是一個名詞壯世代可是我們到底要怎麼去簽所以我認為說我們如果要去推動一個法案我們都是立法委員我們是要負責任的如果說今天只是為了這個壯世代倡議我絕對第一個舉手因為本來就是\n我們要去做這樣的一個名詞的倡議讓大家去看到什麼是壯世代那其他的世代又是什麼那我們要去幫這些世代做什麼事情這本來就是不論是執政或在野每個人都要去做可是你要把它作為是法令的部分就要從長計議\n這個是我們今天其實認為不宜就因為這樣子的一個答詢然後好像是否下一個階段就要進入主條哇 這個好危險那公聽會是一場兩場三場所以我們真的要拜託一個好的議題千萬不要把它變成是一個大家對立的議題這是很可怕的\n我們現在的社會 別看這個對立啊 大家希望的是 smooth 是希望的能夠你我互相關心 你我互相往上提升 所以千萬不能用一個法令又變成是一個政治的問題 世代的問題\n陳亭妃陳亭妃\n我們對於長照的議題從小英總統上任到現在賴清的總統說要往上提升到3.0我們也看到整個長照基金的預算我們從2019年開始其實我們幾乎都是300億以上這樣的一個數額甚至是越往上到了我們\n這個2023年的時候已經高達679億對不對然後我們現在在明年的部分我們所提出的是879億對不對但是非常遺憾現在預算還在空中飛還沒有進到立法院的真正審議當中\n那我另外一個要跟市長分享的是當我們從300億到600億到800億甚至要接近到900億請問你們有沒有反觀我們做了這些之後\n真正有keep到每個人長者的需求嗎有沒有你們有沒有去做通盤檢討或是隨時的檢討滾動式檢討有沒有是報告委員非常佩服委員對這部分的一個關心那我想兩個重點第一個我們預算增加我再補充一個數字如果再加上原民會還有其他的相關部會的話\n明年賴總統他給我們的預算長照部分是927這是第一個另外第二個委員非常關心的就是說對於各個部分我們特別是對於我們現在目前這些長者的一個部分我跟委員報告我們現在目前有3.0裡面的一個策略其實2.0已經做很好\n我們現在目前有個經濟策略最主要就是說對於輕中重不同的這一個的這個CMS的這一個各個層級我們都會有一個整個就是說個別化的一個整個的一個服務計畫好這個計畫很好可是我要問的是你們有沒有回歸到基層去了解你所做的這些計畫是不是就是計畫\n還是真正有讓需要的人拿到他需要的幫助這很重要你要聽懂我的意思我們都來自基層沒錯你知道嗎有一個里長他都在幫大家做這些長照的宣導沒錯幫市政府做長照的宣導但是他有一次哭著來找我他說委員\n我自己的先生用到我才知道原來在關鍵需要的時候束手無策為什麼什麼叫關鍵的時候當他先生要去看病的時候要去排交通車排不到\n可是醫生是有時間的約定那你們今天我看到你們的交通接送服務是有的還有輔具居家無障礙環境改善服務是有的照顧及專業服務是有的\n他跟我講說我當里長我就在幫政府宣導長照2.0長照可以有什麼樣的協助幫忙然後你可以跟政府怎麼申請要多多利用可是當他自己要使用的時候他用不到而且不知道要找誰去幫忙\n所以我今天會在這個時候提出\n因為你沒有辦法感受到他的那種心理的痛他本身里長做第一線在幫政府宣傳的喔所以我才會說你的計劃是單純就是計劃就是在消化預算的計劃還是真正有用到每個人需要的家中他真正能夠拿到我們的協助而讓這個家庭有所改善\n而不是因為有一個長照的病人而讓他整個家人跟家庭都變成必須整個一片的黑暗我們的長照不就是這樣的嗎我們現在在協助不是就是說我們要幫大家所以我今天用這個故事用這樣的一個一個我自己直接\n但你說我可以幫他嗎?我也幫不了他。最無奈的是我也幫不了他。為什麼?因為他是要有專車。他不是隨便的車子都可以載。那這個專車量夠嗎?那為什麼會有人排不到?那為什麼大家要搶著?這就是問題。\n謝謝陳委員 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:00.229\n委員好\n\n00:25.129 --> 00:33.537\n我想今天對於壯世代倡議大家不反對但是今天是我們如何在一個議題當中讓\n\n00:55.171 --> 01:18.726\n合併變成一部你們認為應該做這樣的一個壯世代政策跟產業發展的促進法然後把它匯集起來我相信這個是必須接受很大的討論因為如果今天把它全部抽出來那是不是我們所有的法都要重新檢討了\n\n01:20.543 --> 01:49.610\n因為我們一定拒絕跌床架屋的法令否則到底我這一部法規我要由誰來主管那我們經濟部有產業發展條例有中小企業發展條例這是經濟部那如果今天在壯世代政策與產業發展促進法草案如果這個案子通過了那如果遇到相類似的狀態那要由誰來做主導\n\n01:50.905 --> 02:12.501\n所以其實這是一個非常危險如果我們立法機關自己都搞不清楚然後就在這裡進行去做這樣的一個法案的討論是非常危險然後我就要問了我問部長跟次長請問我是屬於什麼世代\n\n02:15.179 --> 02:39.044\n我是屬於什麼世代今天壯世代大家在倡議之後我要問我屬於什麼世代我50歲50歲63年次我屬於什麼世代這個是把它做了一個切割你反而那我是不是要再推一個叫親世代是不是\n\n02:41.550 --> 02:51.042\n否則有壯世代政策與產業發展促進法草案那我是不是要再推一個青世代政策與產業發展促進法草案\n\n02:52.304 --> 03:15.750\n否則有可能現在我們所看到的壯世代如果他是以中高齡他是目前經濟的強勢喔那青世代在50歲以下這一塊反而是我們現在要協助他如何往上提升進入到經濟強勢那請問哪一個區塊\n\n03:21.482 --> 03:43.060\n更為重要那是不是又變成世代的差異這是有很危險當我們在倡議壯世代的時候那我們有沒有反過來思考說那另外一個世代呢那這個壯世代我們現在所說的是以幾歲做區隔現在對壯世代的定義並沒有那麼清楚這只是一個名詞\n\n03:51.670 --> 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