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00:02:36,912\n不是這個樣子我們所的資料是這樣啊所以是有誰給錯檔案了嗎?少一個零嗎?我的同仁給我的時候我真的睜大眼睛問我是不是少了一個零根本上來講的話數位資訊是一個是所以他編列的預算的話就是\n\n8\n00:02:44,821 --> 00:02:48,966\n我們要問的是運用AI有關的3D建模掃描AI導覽對話確GPT2022年就已經出現了我們現在已經2024了我們還在編明年的預算那明年會不會變多\n\n9\n00:03:03,181 --> 00:03:25,416\n還是你是說明年我們也不知道那你們要不要再算一次再提供過來那順便提供明年的好不好對啊所以為什麼我們得到的資訊會是這樣嘛院長要不要了解一下好不好那我想這樣子的數字真的會讓我們一笑大方以為我們這是台灣文化場館是時器場館時器時代的場館沒有關係我們現在看的是數字我待會給你看證據\n\n10\n00:03:34,221 --> 00:03:55,028\n首先觀眾一進入大門第一個體驗就是導覽服務根據你們112年度自己的調查九成以上的民眾知道有導覽機但是吊詭的是只有不到三成的人去使用高達七成六的民眾沒有使用任何語音的導覽服務你知道為什麼嗎你知道為什麼大多數的民眾沒有使用語音導覽\n\n11\n00:03:57,717 --> 00:03:58,357\n自衛型手機的時代從2010到現在已經14年了\n\n12\n00:04:17,589 --> 00:04:27,512\n本席合理懷疑我們很可能還在20年前的方法當然當年我相信故宮是很努力我們就來看一下這是我們現在故宮的做法請院長看一下國外使用AI導覽的情況荷蘭阿姆斯赫丹的安妮之家2017年就已經發表了用FacebookMessenger的一個AIBot去做一個自然語言的對話\n\n13\n00:04:41,776 --> 00:05:01,542\n去讓觀眾去了解安妮的生平故事其次我們剛剛這個也想要關心一下不只是導覽而已我覺得這個新的時代真的應該要重新探討之外還有紀念品的問題雖然我相信故宮的紀念品其實是大家都很喜歡也有一些很不錯的爆品但是現在全世界為了低碳為了零碳為了減少碳足跡也有越來越多像NFT像數位典藏的紀念品\n\n14\n00:05:10,285 --> 00:05:22,629\n像比如說MOMA紐約現代美術館就有推出MOMAPOSTA這是一堆我的阿宅朋友遠端的參加了他們的數位NFT區塊鏈紀念品的收藏活動透過15個國際知名的深層藝術家設計讓全世界的人可以像接龍一樣把這個圖案畫出來變成自己的收藏品然後又可以讓大家認識瞭解MOMA有一天真正的去一清方則\n\n15\n00:05:39,275 --> 00:05:53,710\n除此之外AI或者VR也可以帶來很生動的體驗最有名的是2019年巴黎羅浮宮這還是跟我們台灣的公司合作用VR的方式讓蒙娜麗莎走出防彈玻璃\n\n16\n00:05:55,271 --> 00:06:13,698\n當世界知名博物館紛紛運用科技的時候院長你知道如果你搜尋翠玉白菜不在家你知道我們如果明年9月我們的翠玉白菜出國了我們的民眾會看到什麼你知道嗎我們民眾看到的是一個紙板是一個紙板啊\n\n17\n00:06:16,945 --> 00:06:31,541\n這個院長你要不要表達一下我們是台灣是什麼我們到底是一個科技之島還是時器時代啊我們每次都說我們科技世界的中心半導體的強國結果呢崔玉白在出國了放一個紙板\n\n18\n00:06:32,583 --> 00:06:32,603\n院長\n\n19\n00:06:53,664 --> 00:07:09,130\n我非常了解故宮有非常非常強大的同仁對於數位的資訊數位的展覽都非常厲害我非常了解但是院長您的態度非常重要我們馬上明年就有很多文物要出展可不可以讓大家耳目一新\n\n20\n00:07:09,690 --> 00:07:25,094\n不知道翠玉白菜不在家結果留了一個紙板在那邊讓大家拍照那更不用講了我想我還是要再次講一下AI科技數位典藏的科技3D掃描VR的展現其實這些數據非常的重要其實可以讓我們無遠佛界的人前來觀賞那你可以看到2021年我們的典藏精選網站從327萬點閱數到了2023年跌到134萬\n\n21\n00:07:38,877 --> 00:07:57,071\n到今年的7月為止只有54萬次現在已經10月快要10月底了所以如果我們把數位AIVR3D都做好我們的數位典藏的流量會增加我們的民眾到現場可以帶上VR可以用手機看到3D的翠玉白菜還有一個什麼好處呢這些資料掃描公開了以後讓全世界的AI來學習\n\n22\n00:08:03,095 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Messenger的一個AI Bot去做一個自然語言的對話\n281776\t301542\t去讓觀眾去了解安妮的生平故事其次我們剛剛這個也想要關心一下不只是導覽而已我覺得這個新的時代真的應該要重新探討之外還有紀念品的問題雖然我相信故宮的紀念品其實是大家都很喜歡也有一些很不錯的爆品但是現在全世界為了低碳為了零碳為了減少碳足跡也有越來越多像NFT像數位典藏的紀念品\n310285\t322629\t像比如說MOMA紐約現代美術館就有推出MOMA POSTA這是一堆我的阿宅朋友遠端的參加了他們的數位NFT區塊鏈紀念品的收藏活動透過15個國際知名的深層藝術家設計讓全世界的人可以像接龍一樣把這個圖案畫出來變成自己的收藏品然後又可以讓大家認識瞭解MOMA有一天真正的去一清方則\n339275\t353710\t除此之外AI或者VR也可以帶來很生動的體驗最有名的是2019年巴黎羅浮宮這還是跟我們台灣的公司合作用VR的方式讓蒙娜麗莎走出防彈玻璃\n355271\t373698\t當世界知名博物館紛紛運用科技的時候 院長你知道 如果你搜尋翠玉白菜不在家 你知道我們如果明年9月我們的翠玉白菜出國了 我們的民眾會看到什麼你知道嗎 我們民眾看到的是一個紙板 是一個紙板啊\n376945\t391541\t這個院長你要不要表達一下我們是台灣是什麼我們到底是一個科技之島還是時器時代啊我們每次都說我們科技世界的中心半導體的強國結果呢崔玉白在出國了放一個紙板\n392583\t392603\t院長\n413664\t429130\t我非常了解故宮有非常非常強大的同仁對於數位的資訊數位的展覽都非常厲害我非常了解但是院長您的態度非常重要我們馬上明年就有很多文物要出展可不可以讓大家耳目一新\n429690\t445094\t不知道翠玉白菜不在家結果留了一個紙板在那邊讓大家拍照那更不用講了我想我還是要再次講一下AI科技數位典藏的科技3D掃描VR的展現其實這些數據非常的重要其實可以讓我們無遠佛界的人前來觀賞那你可以看到2021年我們的典藏精選網站從327萬點閱數到了2023年跌到134萬\n458877\t477071\t到今年的7月為止只有54萬次現在已經10月快要10月底了所以如果我們把數位AI VR 3D都做好我們的數位典藏的流量會增加我們的民眾到現場可以帶上VR可以用手機看到3D的翠玉白菜還有一個什麼好處呢這些資料掃描公開了以後讓全世界的AI來學習\n483095\t505774\t可以讓全世界的AI認識翠玉白菜的英文名詞到底是什麼：他的形狀到底長什麼樣子我告訴院長我一直在講開放資料數位資料這是我們現在學生90%在用的某公司的AI的平台你如果問他說故宮典藏翠玉白菜的英文是什麼很抱歉\n506926\t530500\t他講的詞呢是錯的因為他少了那個 insects我們真正的翠玉白菜是有蟲在上面嘛很可愛嘛英文名字是錯的你叫他畫出來畫出來是一個包心菜這就是我們的文化我們的資訊不夠數位化不夠公開造成的結果我們希望院長這真的是\n537027\t559762\t這是AI眼中的翠玉白菜喔AI眼中的翠玉白菜因為AI演算的話基本上來講的話它是一個平均數的概念所以故宮的翠玉白菜的話是在所有翠玉白菜裡面是最獨特的所以除了你指名道姓說故宮的翠玉白菜我指名道姓啊故宮館長翠玉白菜我不夠指名道姓嗎\n562911\t564092\t委員長我在這裡本席非常慎重的請你\n574304\t582170\t用開放的精神面對科技當有遇到這種問題的時候千萬不要說是科技的問題千萬不要說是AI的問題我再說一次故宮的同仁內部對於數位的能力是非常強的跟全世界比起來我們絕對不會輸的院長您的態度是關鍵希望您可以張開雙手\n600683\t626124\t放開你的心胸去迎接接下來你們會有第5期的前瞻的預算的規劃希望故宮盡力爭取相關的預算讓AI科技VR科技3D文資的開放成為故宮邁向世界一流博物館的助力跟委員報告同仁都了解我是非常非常的支持而且我們現在也準備在做AI Ready的一個一個一個\n628846\t654461\t一個資料庫那基本上來講這樣的情況的話如果你攝取的那個語言正確的話那基本上來講的話不用AI你用一般的那個Google都可以找到故宮的翠玉白菜院長你剛剛先怪AI你現在是怪我啦你現在是怪我攝取的文字不對啊沒有關係我們希望您的精神反映出來支持同仁支持我們的文物反映在預算上面43萬如果是錯的請給予新的資料\n657543\t686573\t明年度的預算在科技AI的運用請提供出來謝謝另外的話另外跟委員報告因為我也希望說跟那個行政院跟那個人事總署那邊爭取因為數位資訊處他是一個幕僚單位是做數位系統管理的現在要他們跨業的話我希望他們可以改成數位資訊處因為處是一個業務處那那個事的話是一個幕僚單位是管機器的所以管行政管事務的\n687253\t690156\t所以這個部分的話我會跟院裡邊去強調說因為這個已經是一個新的時代的一個機制\n","txt":"接下來我們有請葛如鈞委員謝謝主席有請故宮蕭院長有請蕭院長\n回應一下剛剛有說近期真的我們的政府太少提故宮了希望可以反映一下我們的文物我們的歷史真的是很重要那我們現在賴清德總統已經轉彎了這個祖國論我們所有單位都應該響應一下有文化有文物才能夠去提這個歷史那除了歷史以外我想科技也是非常重要我想今天這個業務報告還是希望能夠再次提醒\n世界各國的博物館都在面臨新的挑戰但是有很多新的機會大家都在用科技尤其是新新的AI科技那根據博物館協會ICOM的這個通過2022年的新定義博物館其實除了保存展示歷史遺產跟文化以外應該要加入倫理專業社群參與的方式還要兼具知識娛樂多元跟包容性的體驗\n換句話說AI科技的發展將有可能帶來新的文化跟科技的視野那我想請教的是當國際間知名的博物館都大膽擁抱新興科技AI科技發展出AI的各種應用方式的時候想請教院長您知道故宮113年度一共編列了多少AI相關的預算嗎\n有AI相關的預算,因為數位的預算是融入在各個計劃裡面,你把它拆開的話,那拆開的話有多少?我們其實沒有一個專門的項目,我們已經得到資訊了,我看了很多遍,我覺得我看錯了。\n但是最後我發現我沒有看錯因為根委員報告就像你會覺得說看錯了你願不願意把數字說出來你一定有所以你不願意講那不然我幫你講告訴院長答案數位展覽編列20萬教育推廣編列23萬一共只有43萬新台幣跟AI科技有關\n不是這個樣子我們所的資料是這樣啊所以是有誰給錯檔案了嗎?少一個零嗎?我的同仁給我的時候我真的睜大眼睛問我是不是少了一個零根本上來講的話數位資訊是一個是所以他編列的預算的話就是\n我們要問的是運用AI有關的3D建模掃描AI導覽對話確GPT2022年就已經出現了我們現在已經2024了我們還在編明年的預算那明年會不會變多\n還是你是說明年我們也不知道那你們要不要再算一次再提供過來那順便提供明年的好不好對啊所以為什麼我們得到的資訊會是這樣嘛院長要不要了解一下好不好那我想這樣子的數字真的會讓我們一笑大方以為我們這是台灣文化場館是時器場館時器時代的場館沒有關係我們現在看的是數字我待會給你看證據\n首先觀眾一進入大門第一個體驗就是導覽服務根據你們112年度自己的調查九成以上的民眾知道有導覽機但是吊詭的是只有不到三成的人去使用高達七成六的民眾沒有使用任何語音的導覽服務你知道為什麼嗎你知道為什麼大多數的民眾沒有使用語音導覽\n自衛型手機的時代從2010到現在已經14年了\n本席合理懷疑我們很可能還在20年前的方法當然當年我相信故宮是很努力我們就來看一下這是我們現在故宮的做法請院長看一下國外使用AI導覽的情況荷蘭阿姆斯赫丹的安妮之家2017年就已經發表了用Facebook Messenger的一個AI Bot去做一個自然語言的對話\n去讓觀眾去了解安妮的生平故事其次我們剛剛這個也想要關心一下不只是導覽而已我覺得這個新的時代真的應該要重新探討之外還有紀念品的問題雖然我相信故宮的紀念品其實是大家都很喜歡也有一些很不錯的爆品但是現在全世界為了低碳為了零碳為了減少碳足跡也有越來越多像NFT像數位典藏的紀念品\n像比如說MOMA紐約現代美術館就有推出MOMA POSTA這是一堆我的阿宅朋友遠端的參加了他們的數位NFT區塊鏈紀念品的收藏活動透過15個國際知名的深層藝術家設計讓全世界的人可以像接龍一樣把這個圖案畫出來變成自己的收藏品然後又可以讓大家認識瞭解MOMA有一天真正的去一清方則\n除此之外AI或者VR也可以帶來很生動的體驗最有名的是2019年巴黎羅浮宮這還是跟我們台灣的公司合作用VR的方式讓蒙娜麗莎走出防彈玻璃\n當世界知名博物館紛紛運用科技的時候 院長你知道 如果你搜尋翠玉白菜不在家 你知道我們如果明年9月我們的翠玉白菜出國了 我們的民眾會看到什麼你知道嗎 我們民眾看到的是一個紙板 是一個紙板啊\n這個院長你要不要表達一下我們是台灣是什麼我們到底是一個科技之島還是時器時代啊我們每次都說我們科技世界的中心半導體的強國結果呢崔玉白在出國了放一個紙板\n院長\n我非常了解故宮有非常非常強大的同仁對於數位的資訊數位的展覽都非常厲害我非常了解但是院長您的態度非常重要我們馬上明年就有很多文物要出展可不可以讓大家耳目一新\n不知道翠玉白菜不在家結果留了一個紙板在那邊讓大家拍照那更不用講了我想我還是要再次講一下AI科技數位典藏的科技3D掃描VR的展現其實這些數據非常的重要其實可以讓我們無遠佛界的人前來觀賞那你可以看到2021年我們的典藏精選網站從327萬點閱數到了2023年跌到134萬\n到今年的7月為止只有54萬次現在已經10月快要10月底了所以如果我們把數位AI VR 3D都做好我們的數位典藏的流量會增加我們的民眾到現場可以帶上VR可以用手機看到3D的翠玉白菜還有一個什麼好處呢這些資料掃描公開了以後讓全世界的AI來學習\n可以讓全世界的AI認識翠玉白菜的英文名詞到底是什麼：他的形狀到底長什麼樣子我告訴院長我一直在講開放資料數位資料這是我們現在學生90%在用的某公司的AI的平台你如果問他說故宮典藏翠玉白菜的英文是什麼很抱歉\n他講的詞呢是錯的因為他少了那個 insects我們真正的翠玉白菜是有蟲在上面嘛很可愛嘛英文名字是錯的你叫他畫出來畫出來是一個包心菜這就是我們的文化我們的資訊不夠數位化不夠公開造成的結果我們希望院長這真的是\n這是AI眼中的翠玉白菜喔AI眼中的翠玉白菜因為AI演算的話基本上來講的話它是一個平均數的概念所以故宮的翠玉白菜的話是在所有翠玉白菜裡面是最獨特的所以除了你指名道姓說故宮的翠玉白菜我指名道姓啊故宮館長翠玉白菜我不夠指名道姓嗎\n委員長我在這裡本席非常慎重的請你\n用開放的精神面對科技當有遇到這種問題的時候千萬不要說是科技的問題千萬不要說是AI的問題我再說一次故宮的同仁內部對於數位的能力是非常強的跟全世界比起來我們絕對不會輸的院長您的態度是關鍵希望您可以張開雙手\n放開你的心胸去迎接接下來你們會有第5期的前瞻的預算的規劃希望故宮盡力爭取相關的預算讓AI科技VR科技3D文資的開放成為故宮邁向世界一流博物館的助力跟委員報告同仁都了解我是非常非常的支持而且我們現在也準備在做AI Ready的一個一個一個\n一個資料庫那基本上來講這樣的情況的話如果你攝取的那個語言正確的話那基本上來講的話不用AI你用一般的那個Google都可以找到故宮的翠玉白菜院長你剛剛先怪AI你現在是怪我啦你現在是怪我攝取的文字不對啊沒有關係我們希望您的精神反映出來支持同仁支持我們的文物反映在預算上面43萬如果是錯的請給予新的資料\n明年度的預算在科技AI的運用請提供出來謝謝另外的話另外跟委員報告因為我也希望說跟那個行政院跟那個人事總署那邊爭取因為數位資訊處他是一個幕僚單位是做數位系統管理的現在要他們跨業的話我希望他們可以改成數位資訊處因為處是一個業務處那那個事的話是一個幕僚單位是管機器的所以管行政管事務的\n所以這個部分的話我會跟院裡邊去強調說因為這個已經是一個新的時代的一個機制\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.898 --> 00:06.659\n接下來我們有請葛如鈞委員謝謝主席有請故宮蕭院長有請蕭院長\n\n00:22.745 --> 00:47.160\n回應一下剛剛有說近期真的我們的政府太少提故宮了希望可以反映一下我們的文物我們的歷史真的是很重要那我們現在賴清德總統已經轉彎了這個祖國論我們所有單位都應該響應一下有文化有文物才能夠去提這個歷史那除了歷史以外我想科技也是非常重要我想今天這個業務報告還是希望能夠再次提醒\n\n00:48.121 --> 01:15.308\n世界各國的博物館都在面臨新的挑戰但是有很多新的機會大家都在用科技尤其是新新的AI科技那根據博物館協會ICOM的這個通過2022年的新定義博物館其實除了保存展示歷史遺產跟文化以外應該要加入倫理專業社群參與的方式還要兼具知識娛樂多元跟包容性的體驗\n\n01:16.548 --> 01:38.613\n換句話說AI科技的發展將有可能帶來新的文化跟科技的視野那我想請教的是當國際間知名的博物館都大膽擁抱新興科技AI科技發展出AI的各種應用方式的時候想請教院長您知道故宮113年度一共編列了多少AI相關的預算嗎\n\n01:43.652 --> 01:58.625\n有AI相關的預算,因為數位的預算是融入在各個計劃裡面,你把它拆開的話,那拆開的話有多少?我們其實沒有一個專門的項目,我們已經得到資訊了,我看了很多遍,我覺得我看錯了。\n\n02:03.729 --> 02:23.058\n但是最後我發現我沒有看錯因為根委員報告就像你會覺得說看錯了你願不願意把數字說出來你一定有所以你不願意講那不然我幫你講告訴院長答案數位展覽編列20萬教育推廣編列23萬一共只有43萬新台幣跟AI科技有關\n\n02:24.619 --> 02:36.912\n不是這個樣子我們所的資料是這樣啊所以是有誰給錯檔案了嗎?少一個零嗎?我的同仁給我的時候我真的睜大眼睛問我是不是少了一個零根本上來講的話數位資訊是一個是所以他編列的預算的話就是\n\n02:44.821 --> 02:48.966\n我們要問的是運用AI有關的3D建模掃描AI導覽對話確GPT2022年就已經出現了我們現在已經2024了我們還在編明年的預算那明年會不會變多\n\n03:03.181 --> 03:25.416\n還是你是說明年我們也不知道那你們要不要再算一次再提供過來那順便提供明年的好不好對啊所以為什麼我們得到的資訊會是這樣嘛院長要不要了解一下好不好那我想這樣子的數字真的會讓我們一笑大方以為我們這是台灣文化場館是時器場館時器時代的場館沒有關係我們現在看的是數字我待會給你看證據\n\n03:34.221 --> 03:55.028\n首先觀眾一進入大門第一個體驗就是導覽服務根據你們112年度自己的調查九成以上的民眾知道有導覽機但是吊詭的是只有不到三成的人去使用高達七成六的民眾沒有使用任何語音的導覽服務你知道為什麼嗎你知道為什麼大多數的民眾沒有使用語音導覽\n\n03:57.717 --> 03:58.357\n自衛型手機的時代從2010到現在已經14年了\n\n04:17.589 --> 04:27.512\n本席合理懷疑我們很可能還在20年前的方法當然當年我相信故宮是很努力我們就來看一下這是我們現在故宮的做法請院長看一下國外使用AI導覽的情況荷蘭阿姆斯赫丹的安妮之家2017年就已經發表了用FacebookMessenger的一個AIBot去做一個自然語言的對話\n\n04:41.776 --> 05:01.542\n去讓觀眾去了解安妮的生平故事其次我們剛剛這個也想要關心一下不只是導覽而已我覺得這個新的時代真的應該要重新探討之外還有紀念品的問題雖然我相信故宮的紀念品其實是大家都很喜歡也有一些很不錯的爆品但是現在全世界為了低碳為了零碳為了減少碳足跡也有越來越多像NFT像數位典藏的紀念品\n\n05:10.285 --> 05:22.629\n像比如說MOMA紐約現代美術館就有推出MOMAPOSTA這是一堆我的阿宅朋友遠端的參加了他們的數位NFT區塊鏈紀念品的收藏活動透過15個國際知名的深層藝術家設計讓全世界的人可以像接龍一樣把這個圖案畫出來變成自己的收藏品然後又可以讓大家認識瞭解MOMA有一天真正的去一清方則\n\n05:39.275 --> 05:53.710\n除此之外AI或者VR也可以帶來很生動的體驗最有名的是2019年巴黎羅浮宮這還是跟我們台灣的公司合作用VR的方式讓蒙娜麗莎走出防彈玻璃\n\n05:55.271 --> 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