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00:00:52,993\n然後在這個地方特別質詢你然後呢你特別在這個地方也說請已經聽到地方的名義及我們空軍參謀長曹敬平引諾檢討請聽地方的聲音來做一個討論但是我聽到的目前到底決定\n\n3\n00:00:54,198 --> 00:01:15,565\n要開闢關山戰略跑道還是有替代的一個方案現在我們鄉親在臺東已經對我們現在國防部還有空軍已經憤憤不停到底有沒有答案因為有關於國防部在計畫拓寬臺九縣關山\n\n4\n00:01:19,786 --> 00:01:39,157\n關山路路段新建站面跑道軍方3月12日下午前往關山的證供所向地方說明會前農民高級海報適時守護田地。現長姚慶林高分辨表態絕對反對\n\n5\n00:01:41,338 --> 00:02:01,764\n於在今年的7月9號帶著臺東各地方的農民包含農會包含民意代表包含政長民意代表都已經來到我們立法院來提出抗議\n\n6\n00:02:02,944 --> 00:02:28,284\n而且你也說也聽到他們的聲音了可是到現在後續到底你見與不見我們要很清楚的來回應來回應我們的地方的民意以安安他們的心第一個如果在那個地方開闢戰備寶套的良田不是只有原住民在那個地方居住的居民裡面\n\n7\n00:02:30,017 --> 00:02:45,827\n在這個整個的500公頃影響到將近1000公頃未來戰略跑道還要不要再徵收土地一定會徵收但是問題是那個地方是糧食糧田的地方有\n\n8\n00:02:47,011 --> 00:03:12,854\n有機場但是你們要籌備良好的糧食如何供應我們國軍的戰備當然我對國軍的建軍戰備我絕對支持但是我們要跟地方要好好的溝通而不是模裡樣可毀謠視聽現在一概彌彰部長你來正面的來回答這個問題等一下參謀長你要回答這個問題\n\n9\n00:03:14,015 --> 00:03:39,653\n跟委員報告我想我這邊的立場已經表示過去也是相當明確就是說假設地方沒有辦法能夠支持的話那我們這個案子就沒有辦法來推動所以我們希望當然還是希望地方能夠來支持但是我們會持續來跟地方來溝通但是這個就需要跟地方多溝通了\n\n10\n00:03:39,753 --> 00:04:07,821\n但是如果沒有得到地方的一個支持的話我想我們也不會一定強行來推動但是我們希望地方能夠理解我們這個戰備的需要我們對國際的戰備開闢我們絕對支持但是地方的聲音我們是精明一家但我們要聽聽地方的聲音能不能適合在那個地方做戰備跑道我們有很多替代的方案希望部長\n\n11\n00:04:08,702 --> 00:04:08,863\n你對剛剛講的話\n\n12\n00:04:12,165 --> 00:04:39,194\n請聽地方的民意如果地方已經很明確的而且上次也表達了還有地方的諸侯對人民帶著地方的民意代表包含農人這一些持有良田的這一些我們的鄉親都一起來表達抗議都已經聽到了所以這個就是已經很肯定的事情那參謀長來我想請教一下你的看法\n\n13\n00:04:41,408 --> 00:04:50,950\n不用再持續因為這個就是模裡兩可的問題剛剛部長也講了如果以地方的名義也堅持了應該有配套跟做一個其他的一些配套的方案這才是剛剛我們部長所講的嘛\n\n14\n00:05:09,275 --> 00:05:23,966\n因為將來以後臺九縣的這個山路段新建正面跑道是包裹裡糖衣的毒藥因為什麼正面跑道的後續會有縣建跟縣高的問題\n\n15\n00:05:24,947 --> 00:05:29,990\n我們就是希望就剛剛委員所提的這些問題來跟地方來溝通有關這個您提到的限制的一些相關的議題讓民眾\n\n16\n00:05:54,971 --> 00:06:10,900\n這個臺東地區相關的這個民眾能夠了解這樣子那如果能夠有一個大家能夠相互理解那我們就能夠持續來推動因為其他的替代方案到現在為止是還沒有辦法找到其他替代方案所以我們才希望能夠持續來進行溝通\n\n17\n00:06:12,961 --> 00:06:40,416\n那當然我剛剛已經講了如果地方溝通的結果一直沒有辦法統一的話那我們事實上也沒有辦法來強行一定要來但是我們希望希望民眾能夠了解這個的戰備需要本席建議國防部及空軍在國防施政不應該與人民對立然後應站在大家的立場力求兼顧民生跟國防好不好部長\n\n18\n00:06:41,975 --> 00:07:01,637\n我們也希望能夠兼顧這樣子的雙贏的一個局面那只是希望讓這個如果以後要有一個說明會的時候的話那是希望能夠讓我希望責成近期內跟交通部公路總局來\n\n19\n00:07:03,559 --> 00:07:24,728\n到我的研究室來大家在一起研究方向方針不要以民對抗我們居民是一家人我們希望在地方有觀光產業的發展包含糧食儲存的一個地方它又是一個稻米的一個糧米的一個地方\n\n20\n00:07:25,628 --> 00:07:53,399\n又加上觀光所以這個就等等的讓地方造成能夠有經濟的發展包含他們產業的發展及生技的發展對我們老百姓來講是絕大的一個最大的注意不是因為我們要開闢上面跑道我不反對但是造成地方的發展跟觀光發展產業發展的話這不是你們要跟人民對抗嗎\n\n21\n00:07:54,119 --> 00:08:22,438\n所以這個就是我絕對反對在這個地方表達我的立場我也帶著我們台東鄉親的聲音絕對反對在那個地方你們應該有替代的方案以上那另外我特別講的防空系統台灣防空系統今天報告提出俄武戰爭和以哈的衝突的接近在以哈衝突以色列的防空系統發揮的攔截能力令人驚嘆\n\n22\n00:08:23,539 --> 00:08:37,672\n部長認為我國有辦法像以色列一樣的優秀防空系統能力嗎?第二個以色列的多層防空網讓它今年在四月的伊朗空襲中發揮了高達99%攔截力這當中包含了美國、英國、耶誕\n\n23\n00:08:44,565 --> 00:08:45,446\n我們先請空軍回答\n\n24\n00:09:14,349 --> 00:09:40,043\n報告委員,針對這個問題我們是都是從誠攔截,都是統一指揮管制的好,我們現在講,比較一下我們現在就是以色列雖然有強大的防空能力但在以卡衝突,乃面臨到防空飛彈不足的窘境以色列評估鐵穹防疫系統\n\n25\n00:09:40,723 --> 00:09:43,905\n所以今天有一個非常重要的國際期刊\n\n26\n00:09:59,196 --> 00:10:25,678\n外交政策刊出的指出我方擁有雄風飛彈的海豐部隊行動已被對岸掌握一旦開戰可能在短短的數秒內被牽媚第一個原因本習執行了我國的防空系統齊康宗指出被對岸掌握的是對海飛彈\n\n27\n00:10:27,182 --> 00:10:46,016\n但本席相信如果對海飛彈被掌握防空飛彈恐怕在中共的手裡這也不是秘密了。第二個請問一下部長這個國際知名期刊刊登的內容也是認知作戰嗎?\n\n28\n00:10:47,197 --> 00:10:52,141\n第二．如果對岸掌握是飛彈基地和機動飛彈車的動態．台灣會非常的危險．那刺蝟島難以發揮功能．國軍要怎麼樣的應對以上\n\n29\n00:11:01,898 --> 00:11:21,836\n這個部長來回答我想第一個就是說剛剛已經回答前面委員所詢問的就是說這個信機管理的一個重要性包括7D偽裝跟這個引力還有對於無線電信號的一個管制所以我想就這個部分我們信機管理\n\n30\n00:11:24,098 --> 00:11:46,836\n會列為我們一個重要演練的一個項目之一那就這個部分我們也剛剛也提到我們會加強反情報跟反沾的一個作為來看看他這個在演練的過程當中他的氣力偽裝引力跟相關的這些訊息管理是不是有到位我想這個是一個那另外您提到以色列航空的系統大概分成就是說鐵雄跟大衛斯投訴\n\n31\n00:11:47,757 --> 00:11:56,704\n大衛投石所這個部分是屬於中層的那建設會是屬於遠層的那我們現在確實是有分成遠中近那至於這個數量的這個部分呢我們確實會\n\n32\n00:11:59,401 --> 00:12:23,709\n對於飛彈的增加是至關重要所以你看以色列這麼精良的飛彈他們都要增加到3倍到5倍部長有沒有考慮我們台灣我們國防的飛彈的增加的數量有沒有更精良的然後有沒有再增加的預算\n\n33\n00:12:24,426 --> 00:12:42,285\n所以我們持續會依作案需求來進行規劃因為涉及到對外採購還有自主生產部分因為有一些是我們自主就可以生產的那就這個部分我們應該有規劃就是說比如說現在這個海空戰力特別提升計畫結束之後我們會再來持續再來增加好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n369\t24551\t謝謝主席,有請顧部長。請顧部長。是,黃委員好。部長好。我要沿襲我上次在這個地方你上任的第一天,我就特別提出有關於我們台東關山農民抗疫的戰備跑道。\n25932\t52993\t然後在這個地方特別質詢你然後呢你特別在這個地方也說請已經聽到地方的名義及我們空軍參謀長曹敬平引諾檢討請聽地方的聲音來做一個討論但是我聽到的目前到底決定\n54198\t75565\t要開闢關山戰略跑道還是有替代的一個方案現在我們鄉親在臺東已經對我們現在國防部還有空軍已經憤憤不停到底有沒有答案因為有關於國防部在計畫拓寬臺九縣關山\n79786\t99157\t關山路路段新建站面跑道軍方3月12日下午前往關山的證供所向地方說明會前農民高級海報適時守護田地。現長姚慶林高分辨表態絕對反對\n101338\t121764\t於在今年的7月9號帶著臺東各地方的農民包含農會包含民意代表包含政長民意代表都已經來到我們立法院來提出抗議\n122944\t148284\t而且你也說也聽到他們的聲音了可是到現在後續到底你見與不見我們要很清楚的來回應來回應我們的地方的民意以安安他們的心第一個如果在那個地方開闢戰備寶套的良田不是只有原住民在那個地方居住的居民裡面\n150017\t165827\t在這個整個的500公頃影響到將近1000公頃未來戰略跑道還要不要再徵收土地一定會徵收但是問題是那個地方是糧食糧田的地方有\n167011\t192854\t有機場但是你們要籌備良好的糧食如何供應我們國軍的戰備當然我對國軍的建軍戰備我絕對支持但是我們要跟地方要好好的溝通而不是模裡樣可毀謠視聽現在一概彌彰部長你來正面的來回答這個問題等一下參謀長你要回答這個問題\n194015\t219653\t跟委員報告我想我這邊的立場已經表示過去也是相當明確就是說假設地方沒有辦法能夠支持的話那我們這個案子就沒有辦法來推動所以我們希望當然還是希望地方能夠來支持但是我們會持續來跟地方來溝通但是這個就需要跟地方多溝通了\n219753\t247821\t但是如果沒有得到地方的一個支持的話我想我們也不會一定強行來推動但是我們希望地方能夠理解我們這個戰備的需要我們對國際的戰備開闢我們絕對支持但是地方的聲音我們是精明一家但我們要聽聽地方的聲音能不能適合在那個地方做戰備跑道我們有很多替代的方案希望部長\n248702\t248863\t你對剛剛講的話\n252165\t279194\t請聽地方的民意如果地方已經很明確的而且上次也表達了還有地方的諸侯對人民帶著地方的民意代表包含農人這一些持有良田的這一些我們的鄉親都一起來表達抗議都已經聽到了所以這個就是已經很肯定的事情那參謀長來我想請教一下你的看法\n281408\t290950\t不用再持續因為這個就是模裡兩可的問題剛剛部長也講了如果以地方的名義也堅持了應該有配套跟做一個其他的一些配套的方案這才是剛剛我們部長所講的嘛\n309275\t323966\t因為將來以後臺九縣的這個山路段新建正面跑道是包裹裡糖衣的毒藥因為什麼正面跑道的後續會有縣建跟縣高的問題\n324947\t329990\t我們就是希望就剛剛委員所提的這些問題來跟地方來溝通有關這個您提到的限制的一些相關的議題讓民眾\n354971\t370900\t這個臺東地區相關的這個民眾能夠了解這樣子那如果能夠有一個大家能夠相互理解那我們就能夠持續來推動因為其他的替代方案到現在為止是還沒有辦法找到其他替代方案所以我們才希望能夠持續來進行溝通\n372961\t400416\t那當然我剛剛已經講了如果地方溝通的結果一直沒有辦法統一的話那我們事實上也沒有辦法來強行一定要來但是我們希望希望民眾能夠了解這個的戰備需要本席建議國防部及空軍在國防施政不應該與人民對立然後應站在大家的立場力求兼顧民生跟國防好不好部長\n401975\t421637\t我們也希望能夠兼顧這樣子的雙贏的一個局面那只是希望讓這個如果以後要有一個說明會的時候的話那是希望能夠讓我希望責成近期內跟交通部公路總局來\n423559\t444728\t到我的研究室來大家在一起研究方向方針不要以民對抗我們居民是一家人我們希望在地方有觀光產業的發展包含糧食儲存的一個地方它又是一個稻米的一個糧米的一個地方\n445628\t473399\t又加上觀光所以這個就等等的讓地方造成能夠有經濟的發展包含他們產業的發展及生技的發展對我們老百姓來講是絕大的一個最大的注意不是因為我們要開闢上面跑道我不反對但是造成地方的發展跟觀光發展產業發展的話這不是你們要跟人民對抗嗎\n474119\t502438\t所以這個就是我絕對反對在這個地方表達我的立場我也帶著我們台東鄉親的聲音絕對反對在那個地方你們應該有替代的方案以上那另外我特別講的防空系統台灣防空系統今天報告提出俄武戰爭和以哈的衝突的接近在以哈衝突以色列的防空系統發揮的攔截能力令人驚嘆\n503539\t517672\t部長認為我國有辦法像以色列一樣的優秀防空系統能力嗎?第二個以色列的多層防空網讓它今年在四月的伊朗空襲中發揮了高達99%攔截力這當中包含了美國、英國、耶誕\n524565\t525446\t我們先請空軍回答\n554349\t580043\t報告委員,針對這個問題我們是都是從誠攔截,都是統一指揮管制的好,我們現在講,比較一下我們現在就是以色列雖然有強大的防空能力但在以卡衝突,乃面臨到防空飛彈不足的窘境以色列評估鐵穹防疫系統\n580723\t583905\t所以今天有一個非常重要的國際期刊\n599196\t625678\t外交政策刊出的指出我方擁有雄風飛彈的海豐部隊行動已被對岸掌握一旦開戰可能在短短的數秒內被牽媚第一個原因本習執行了我國的防空系統齊康宗指出被對岸掌握的是對海飛彈\n627182\t646016\t但本席相信如果對海飛彈被掌握防空飛彈恐怕在中共的手裡這也不是秘密了。第二個請問一下部長這個國際知名期刊刊登的內容也是認知作戰嗎?\n647197\t652141\t第二．如果對岸掌握是飛彈基地和機動飛彈車的動態．台灣會非常的危險．那刺蝟島難以發揮功能．國軍要怎麼樣的應對以上\n661898\t681836\t這個部長來回答我想第一個就是說剛剛已經回答前面委員所詢問的就是說這個信機管理的一個重要性包括7D偽裝跟這個引力還有對於無線電信號的一個管制所以我想就這個部分我們信機管理\n684098\t706836\t會列為我們一個重要演練的一個項目之一那就這個部分我們也剛剛也提到我們會加強反情報跟反沾的一個作為來看看他這個在演練的過程當中他的氣力偽裝引力跟相關的這些訊息管理是不是有到位我想這個是一個那另外您提到以色列航空的系統大概分成就是說鐵雄跟大衛斯投訴\n707757\t716704\t大衛投石所這個部分是屬於中層的那建設會是屬於遠層的那我們現在確實是有分成遠中近那至於這個數量的這個部分呢我們確實會\n719401\t743709\t對於飛彈的增加是至關重要所以你看以色列這麼精良的飛彈他們都要增加到3倍到5倍部長有沒有考慮我們台灣我們國防的飛彈的增加的數量有沒有更精良的然後有沒有再增加的預算\n744426\t762285\t所以我們持續會依作案需求來進行規劃因為涉及到對外採購還有自主生產部分因為有一些是我們自主就可以生產的那就這個部分我們應該有規劃就是說比如說現在這個海空戰力特別提升計畫結束之後我們會再來持續再來增加好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席,有請顧部長。請顧部長。是,黃委員好。部長好。我要沿襲我上次在這個地方你上任的第一天,我就特別提出有關於我們台東關山農民抗疫的戰備跑道。\n然後在這個地方特別質詢你然後呢你特別在這個地方也說請已經聽到地方的名義及我們空軍參謀長曹敬平引諾檢討請聽地方的聲音來做一個討論但是我聽到的目前到底決定\n要開闢關山戰略跑道還是有替代的一個方案現在我們鄉親在臺東已經對我們現在國防部還有空軍已經憤憤不停到底有沒有答案因為有關於國防部在計畫拓寬臺九縣關山\n關山路路段新建站面跑道軍方3月12日下午前往關山的證供所向地方說明會前農民高級海報適時守護田地。現長姚慶林高分辨表態絕對反對\n於在今年的7月9號帶著臺東各地方的農民包含農會包含民意代表包含政長民意代表都已經來到我們立法院來提出抗議\n而且你也說也聽到他們的聲音了可是到現在後續到底你見與不見我們要很清楚的來回應來回應我們的地方的民意以安安他們的心第一個如果在那個地方開闢戰備寶套的良田不是只有原住民在那個地方居住的居民裡面\n在這個整個的500公頃影響到將近1000公頃未來戰略跑道還要不要再徵收土地一定會徵收但是問題是那個地方是糧食糧田的地方有\n有機場但是你們要籌備良好的糧食如何供應我們國軍的戰備當然我對國軍的建軍戰備我絕對支持但是我們要跟地方要好好的溝通而不是模裡樣可毀謠視聽現在一概彌彰部長你來正面的來回答這個問題等一下參謀長你要回答這個問題\n跟委員報告我想我這邊的立場已經表示過去也是相當明確就是說假設地方沒有辦法能夠支持的話那我們這個案子就沒有辦法來推動所以我們希望當然還是希望地方能夠來支持但是我們會持續來跟地方來溝通但是這個就需要跟地方多溝通了\n但是如果沒有得到地方的一個支持的話我想我們也不會一定強行來推動但是我們希望地方能夠理解我們這個戰備的需要我們對國際的戰備開闢我們絕對支持但是地方的聲音我們是精明一家但我們要聽聽地方的聲音能不能適合在那個地方做戰備跑道我們有很多替代的方案希望部長\n你對剛剛講的話\n請聽地方的民意如果地方已經很明確的而且上次也表達了還有地方的諸侯對人民帶著地方的民意代表包含農人這一些持有良田的這一些我們的鄉親都一起來表達抗議都已經聽到了所以這個就是已經很肯定的事情那參謀長來我想請教一下你的看法\n不用再持續因為這個就是模裡兩可的問題剛剛部長也講了如果以地方的名義也堅持了應該有配套跟做一個其他的一些配套的方案這才是剛剛我們部長所講的嘛\n因為將來以後臺九縣的這個山路段新建正面跑道是包裹裡糖衣的毒藥因為什麼正面跑道的後續會有縣建跟縣高的問題\n我們就是希望就剛剛委員所提的這些問題來跟地方來溝通有關這個您提到的限制的一些相關的議題讓民眾\n這個臺東地區相關的這個民眾能夠了解這樣子那如果能夠有一個大家能夠相互理解那我們就能夠持續來推動因為其他的替代方案到現在為止是還沒有辦法找到其他替代方案所以我們才希望能夠持續來進行溝通\n那當然我剛剛已經講了如果地方溝通的結果一直沒有辦法統一的話那我們事實上也沒有辦法來強行一定要來但是我們希望希望民眾能夠了解這個的戰備需要本席建議國防部及空軍在國防施政不應該與人民對立然後應站在大家的立場力求兼顧民生跟國防好不好部長\n我們也希望能夠兼顧這樣子的雙贏的一個局面那只是希望讓這個如果以後要有一個說明會的時候的話那是希望能夠讓我希望責成近期內跟交通部公路總局來\n到我的研究室來大家在一起研究方向方針不要以民對抗我們居民是一家人我們希望在地方有觀光產業的發展包含糧食儲存的一個地方它又是一個稻米的一個糧米的一個地方\n又加上觀光所以這個就等等的讓地方造成能夠有經濟的發展包含他們產業的發展及生技的發展對我們老百姓來講是絕大的一個最大的注意不是因為我們要開闢上面跑道我不反對但是造成地方的發展跟觀光發展產業發展的話這不是你們要跟人民對抗嗎\n所以這個就是我絕對反對在這個地方表達我的立場我也帶著我們台東鄉親的聲音絕對反對在那個地方你們應該有替代的方案以上那另外我特別講的防空系統台灣防空系統今天報告提出俄武戰爭和以哈的衝突的接近在以哈衝突以色列的防空系統發揮的攔截能力令人驚嘆\n部長認為我國有辦法像以色列一樣的優秀防空系統能力嗎?第二個以色列的多層防空網讓它今年在四月的伊朗空襲中發揮了高達99%攔截力這當中包含了美國、英國、耶誕\n我們先請空軍回答\n報告委員,針對這個問題我們是都是從誠攔截,都是統一指揮管制的好,我們現在講,比較一下我們現在就是以色列雖然有強大的防空能力但在以卡衝突,乃面臨到防空飛彈不足的窘境以色列評估鐵穹防疫系統\n所以今天有一個非常重要的國際期刊\n外交政策刊出的指出我方擁有雄風飛彈的海豐部隊行動已被對岸掌握一旦開戰可能在短短的數秒內被牽媚第一個原因本習執行了我國的防空系統齊康宗指出被對岸掌握的是對海飛彈\n但本席相信如果對海飛彈被掌握防空飛彈恐怕在中共的手裡這也不是秘密了。第二個請問一下部長這個國際知名期刊刊登的內容也是認知作戰嗎?\n第二．如果對岸掌握是飛彈基地和機動飛彈車的動態．台灣會非常的危險．那刺蝟島難以發揮功能．國軍要怎麼樣的應對以上\n這個部長來回答我想第一個就是說剛剛已經回答前面委員所詢問的就是說這個信機管理的一個重要性包括7D偽裝跟這個引力還有對於無線電信號的一個管制所以我想就這個部分我們信機管理\n會列為我們一個重要演練的一個項目之一那就這個部分我們也剛剛也提到我們會加強反情報跟反沾的一個作為來看看他這個在演練的過程當中他的氣力偽裝引力跟相關的這些訊息管理是不是有到位我想這個是一個那另外您提到以色列航空的系統大概分成就是說鐵雄跟大衛斯投訴\n大衛投石所這個部分是屬於中層的那建設會是屬於遠層的那我們現在確實是有分成遠中近那至於這個數量的這個部分呢我們確實會\n對於飛彈的增加是至關重要所以你看以色列這麼精良的飛彈他們都要增加到3倍到5倍部長有沒有考慮我們台灣我們國防的飛彈的增加的數量有沒有更精良的然後有沒有再增加的預算\n所以我們持續會依作案需求來進行規劃因為涉及到對外採購還有自主生產部分因為有一些是我們自主就可以生產的那就這個部分我們應該有規劃就是說比如說現在這個海空戰力特別提升計畫結束之後我們會再來持續再來增加好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.369 --> 00:24.551\n謝謝主席,有請顧部長。請顧部長。是,黃委員好。部長好。我要沿襲我上次在這個地方你上任的第一天,我就特別提出有關於我們台東關山農民抗疫的戰備跑道。\n\n00:25.932 --> 00:52.993\n然後在這個地方特別質詢你然後呢你特別在這個地方也說請已經聽到地方的名義及我們空軍參謀長曹敬平引諾檢討請聽地方的聲音來做一個討論但是我聽到的目前到底決定\n\n00:54.198 --> 01:15.565\n要開闢關山戰略跑道還是有替代的一個方案現在我們鄉親在臺東已經對我們現在國防部還有空軍已經憤憤不停到底有沒有答案因為有關於國防部在計畫拓寬臺九縣關山\n\n01:19.786 --> 01:39.157\n關山路路段新建站面跑道軍方3月12日下午前往關山的證供所向地方說明會前農民高級海報適時守護田地。現長姚慶林高分辨表態絕對反對\n\n01:41.338 --> 02:01.764\n於在今年的7月9號帶著臺東各地方的農民包含農會包含民意代表包含政長民意代表都已經來到我們立法院來提出抗議\n\n02:02.944 --> 02:28.284\n而且你也說也聽到他們的聲音了可是到現在後續到底你見與不見我們要很清楚的來回應來回應我們的地方的民意以安安他們的心第一個如果在那個地方開闢戰備寶套的良田不是只有原住民在那個地方居住的居民裡面\n\n02:30.017 --> 02:45.827\n在這個整個的500公頃影響到將近1000公頃未來戰略跑道還要不要再徵收土地一定會徵收但是問題是那個地方是糧食糧田的地方有\n\n02:47.011 --> 03:12.854\n有機場但是你們要籌備良好的糧食如何供應我們國軍的戰備當然我對國軍的建軍戰備我絕對支持但是我們要跟地方要好好的溝通而不是模裡樣可毀謠視聽現在一概彌彰部長你來正面的來回答這個問題等一下參謀長你要回答這個問題\n\n03:14.015 --> 03:39.653\n跟委員報告我想我這邊的立場已經表示過去也是相當明確就是說假設地方沒有辦法能夠支持的話那我們這個案子就沒有辦法來推動所以我們希望當然還是希望地方能夠來支持但是我們會持續來跟地方來溝通但是這個就需要跟地方多溝通了\n\n03:39.753 --> 04:07.821\n但是如果沒有得到地方的一個支持的話我想我們也不會一定強行來推動但是我們希望地方能夠理解我們這個戰備的需要我們對國際的戰備開闢我們絕對支持但是地方的聲音我們是精明一家但我們要聽聽地方的聲音能不能適合在那個地方做戰備跑道我們有很多替代的方案希望部長\n\n04:08.702 --> 04:08.863\n你對剛剛講的話\n\n04:12.165 --> 04:39.194\n請聽地方的民意如果地方已經很明確的而且上次也表達了還有地方的諸侯對人民帶著地方的民意代表包含農人這一些持有良田的這一些我們的鄉親都一起來表達抗議都已經聽到了所以這個就是已經很肯定的事情那參謀長來我想請教一下你的看法\n\n04:41.408 --> 04:50.950\n不用再持續因為這個就是模裡兩可的問題剛剛部長也講了如果以地方的名義也堅持了應該有配套跟做一個其他的一些配套的方案這才是剛剛我們部長所講的嘛\n\n05:09.275 --> 05:23.966\n因為將來以後臺九縣的這個山路段新建正面跑道是包裹裡糖衣的毒藥因為什麼正面跑道的後續會有縣建跟縣高的問題\n\n05:24.947 --> 05:29.990\n我們就是希望就剛剛委員所提的這些問題來跟地方來溝通有關這個您提到的限制的一些相關的議題讓民眾\n\n05:54.971 --> 06:10.900\n這個臺東地區相關的這個民眾能夠了解這樣子那如果能夠有一個大家能夠相互理解那我們就能夠持續來推動因為其他的替代方案到現在為止是還沒有辦法找到其他替代方案所以我們才希望能夠持續來進行溝通\n\n06:12.961 --> 06:40.416\n那當然我剛剛已經講了如果地方溝通的結果一直沒有辦法統一的話那我們事實上也沒有辦法來強行一定要來但是我們希望希望民眾能夠了解這個的戰備需要本席建議國防部及空軍在國防施政不應該與人民對立然後應站在大家的立場力求兼顧民生跟國防好不好部長\n\n06:41.975 --> 07:01.637\n我們也希望能夠兼顧這樣子的雙贏的一個局面那只是希望讓這個如果以後要有一個說明會的時候的話那是希望能夠讓我希望責成近期內跟交通部公路總局來\n\n07:03.559 --> 07:24.728\n到我的研究室來大家在一起研究方向方針不要以民對抗我們居民是一家人我們希望在地方有觀光產業的發展包含糧食儲存的一個地方它又是一個稻米的一個糧米的一個地方\n\n07:25.628 --> 07:53.399\n又加上觀光所以這個就等等的讓地方造成能夠有經濟的發展包含他們產業的發展及生技的發展對我們老百姓來講是絕大的一個最大的注意不是因為我們要開闢上面跑道我不反對但是造成地方的發展跟觀光發展產業發展的話這不是你們要跟人民對抗嗎\n\n07:54.119 --> 08:22.438\n所以這個就是我絕對反對在這個地方表達我的立場我也帶著我們台東鄉親的聲音絕對反對在那個地方你們應該有替代的方案以上那另外我特別講的防空系統台灣防空系統今天報告提出俄武戰爭和以哈的衝突的接近在以哈衝突以色列的防空系統發揮的攔截能力令人驚嘆\n\n08:23.539 --> 08:37.672\n部長認為我國有辦法像以色列一樣的優秀防空系統能力嗎?第二個以色列的多層防空網讓它今年在四月的伊朗空襲中發揮了高達99%攔截力這當中包含了美國、英國、耶誕\n\n08:44.565 --> 08:45.446\n我們先請空軍回答\n\n09:14.349 --> 09:40.043\n報告委員,針對這個問題我們是都是從誠攔截,都是統一指揮管制的好,我們現在講,比較一下我們現在就是以色列雖然有強大的防空能力但在以卡衝突,乃面臨到防空飛彈不足的窘境以色列評估鐵穹防疫系統\n\n09:40.723 --> 09:43.905\n所以今天有一個非常重要的國際期刊\n\n09:59.196 --> 10:25.678\n外交政策刊出的指出我方擁有雄風飛彈的海豐部隊行動已被對岸掌握一旦開戰可能在短短的數秒內被牽媚第一個原因本習執行了我國的防空系統齊康宗指出被對岸掌握的是對海飛彈\n\n10:27.182 --> 10:46.016\n但本席相信如果對海飛彈被掌握防空飛彈恐怕在中共的手裡這也不是秘密了。第二個請問一下部長這個國際知名期刊刊登的內容也是認知作戰嗎?\n\n10:47.197 --> 10:52.141\n第二．如果對岸掌握是飛彈基地和機動飛彈車的動態．台灣會非常的危險．那刺蝟島難以發揮功能．國軍要怎麼樣的應對以上\n\n11:01.898 --> 11:21.836\n這個部長來回答我想第一個就是說剛剛已經回答前面委員所詢問的就是說這個信機管理的一個重要性包括7D偽裝跟這個引力還有對於無線電信號的一個管制所以我想就這個部分我們信機管理\n\n11:24.098 --> 11:46.836\n會列為我們一個重要演練的一個項目之一那就這個部分我們也剛剛也提到我們會加強反情報跟反沾的一個作為來看看他這個在演練的過程當中他的氣力偽裝引力跟相關的這些訊息管理是不是有到位我想這個是一個那另外您提到以色列航空的系統大概分成就是說鐵雄跟大衛斯投訴\n\n11:47.757 --> 11:56.704\n大衛投石所這個部分是屬於中層的那建設會是屬於遠層的那我們現在確實是有分成遠中近那至於這個數量的這個部分呢我們確實會\n\n11:59.401 --> 12:23.709\n對於飛彈的增加是至關重要所以你看以色列這麼精良的飛彈他們都要增加到3倍到5倍部長有沒有考慮我們台灣我們國防的飛彈的增加的數量有沒有更精良的然後有沒有再增加的預算\n\n12:24.426 --> 12:42.285\n所以我們持續會依作案需求來進行規劃因為涉及到對外採購還有自主生產部分因為有一些是我們自主就可以生產的那就這個部分我們應該有規劃就是說比如說現在這個海空戰力特別提升計畫結束之後我們會再來持續再來增加好謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.369,"end":24.551,"text":"謝謝主席,有請顧部長。請顧部長。是,黃委員好。部長好。我要沿襲我上次在這個地方你上任的第一天,我就特別提出有關於我們台東關山農民抗疫的戰備跑道。"},{"start":25.932,"end":52.993,"text":"然後在這個地方特別質詢你然後呢你特別在這個地方也說請已經聽到地方的名義及我們空軍參謀長曹敬平引諾檢討請聽地方的聲音來做一個討論但是我聽到的目前到底決定"},{"start":54.198,"end":75.565,"text":"要開闢關山戰略跑道還是有替代的一個方案現在我們鄉親在臺東已經對我們現在國防部還有空軍已經憤憤不停到底有沒有答案因為有關於國防部在計畫拓寬臺九縣關山"},{"start":79.786,"end":99.157,"text":"關山路路段新建站面跑道軍方3月12日下午前往關山的證供所向地方說明會前農民高級海報適時守護田地。現長姚慶林高分辨表態絕對反對"},{"start":101.338,"end":121.764,"text":"於在今年的7月9號帶著臺東各地方的農民包含農會包含民意代表包含政長民意代表都已經來到我們立法院來提出抗議"},{"start":122.944,"end":148.284,"text":"而且你也說也聽到他們的聲音了可是到現在後續到底你見與不見我們要很清楚的來回應來回應我們的地方的民意以安安他們的心第一個如果在那個地方開闢戰備寶套的良田不是只有原住民在那個地方居住的居民裡面"},{"start":150.017,"end":165.827,"text":"在這個整個的500公頃影響到將近1000公頃未來戰略跑道還要不要再徵收土地一定會徵收但是問題是那個地方是糧食糧田的地方有"},{"start":167.011,"end":192.854,"text":"有機場但是你們要籌備良好的糧食如何供應我們國軍的戰備當然我對國軍的建軍戰備我絕對支持但是我們要跟地方要好好的溝通而不是模裡樣可毀謠視聽現在一概彌彰部長你來正面的來回答這個問題等一下參謀長你要回答這個問題"},{"start":194.015,"end":219.653,"text":"跟委員報告我想我這邊的立場已經表示過去也是相當明確就是說假設地方沒有辦法能夠支持的話那我們這個案子就沒有辦法來推動所以我們希望當然還是希望地方能夠來支持但是我們會持續來跟地方來溝通但是這個就需要跟地方多溝通了"},{"start":219.753,"end":247.821,"text":"但是如果沒有得到地方的一個支持的話我想我們也不會一定強行來推動但是我們希望地方能夠理解我們這個戰備的需要我們對國際的戰備開闢我們絕對支持但是地方的聲音我們是精明一家但我們要聽聽地方的聲音能不能適合在那個地方做戰備跑道我們有很多替代的方案希望部長"},{"start":248.702,"end":248.863,"text":"你對剛剛講的話"},{"start":252.165,"end":279.194,"text":"請聽地方的民意如果地方已經很明確的而且上次也表達了還有地方的諸侯對人民帶著地方的民意代表包含農人這一些持有良田的這一些我們的鄉親都一起來表達抗議都已經聽到了所以這個就是已經很肯定的事情那參謀長來我想請教一下你的看法"},{"start":281.408,"end":290.95,"text":"不用再持續因為這個就是模裡兩可的問題剛剛部長也講了如果以地方的名義也堅持了應該有配套跟做一個其他的一些配套的方案這才是剛剛我們部長所講的嘛"},{"start":309.275,"end":323.966,"text":"因為將來以後臺九縣的這個山路段新建正面跑道是包裹裡糖衣的毒藥因為什麼正面跑道的後續會有縣建跟縣高的問題"},{"start":324.947,"end":329.99,"text":"我們就是希望就剛剛委員所提的這些問題來跟地方來溝通有關這個您提到的限制的一些相關的議題讓民眾"},{"start":354.971,"end":370.9,"text":"這個臺東地區相關的這個民眾能夠了解這樣子那如果能夠有一個大家能夠相互理解那我們就能夠持續來推動因為其他的替代方案到現在為止是還沒有辦法找到其他替代方案所以我們才希望能夠持續來進行溝通"},{"start":372.961,"end":400.416,"text":"那當然我剛剛已經講了如果地方溝通的結果一直沒有辦法統一的話那我們事實上也沒有辦法來強行一定要來但是我們希望希望民眾能夠了解這個的戰備需要本席建議國防部及空軍在國防施政不應該與人民對立然後應站在大家的立場力求兼顧民生跟國防好不好部長"},{"start":401.975,"end":421.637,"text":"我們也希望能夠兼顧這樣子的雙贏的一個局面那只是希望讓這個如果以後要有一個說明會的時候的話那是希望能夠讓我希望責成近期內跟交通部公路總局來"},{"start":423.559,"end":444.728,"text":"到我的研究室來大家在一起研究方向方針不要以民對抗我們居民是一家人我們希望在地方有觀光產業的發展包含糧食儲存的一個地方它又是一個稻米的一個糧米的一個地方"},{"start":445.628,"end":473.399,"text":"又加上觀光所以這個就等等的讓地方造成能夠有經濟的發展包含他們產業的發展及生技的發展對我們老百姓來講是絕大的一個最大的注意不是因為我們要開闢上面跑道我不反對但是造成地方的發展跟觀光發展產業發展的話這不是你們要跟人民對抗嗎"},{"start":474.119,"end":502.438,"text":"所以這個就是我絕對反對在這個地方表達我的立場我也帶著我們台東鄉親的聲音絕對反對在那個地方你們應該有替代的方案以上那另外我特別講的防空系統台灣防空系統今天報告提出俄武戰爭和以哈的衝突的接近在以哈衝突以色列的防空系統發揮的攔截能力令人驚嘆"},{"start":503.539,"end":517.672,"text":"部長認為我國有辦法像以色列一樣的優秀防空系統能力嗎?第二個以色列的多層防空網讓它今年在四月的伊朗空襲中發揮了高達99%攔截力這當中包含了美國、英國、耶誕"},{"start":524.565,"end":525.446,"text":"我們先請空軍回答"},{"start":554.349,"end":580.043,"text":"報告委員,針對這個問題我們是都是從誠攔截,都是統一指揮管制的好,我們現在講,比較一下我們現在就是以色列雖然有強大的防空能力但在以卡衝突,乃面臨到防空飛彈不足的窘境以色列評估鐵穹防疫系統"},{"start":580.723,"end":583.905,"text":"所以今天有一個非常重要的國際期刊"},{"start":599.196,"end":625.678,"text":"外交政策刊出的指出我方擁有雄風飛彈的海豐部隊行動已被對岸掌握一旦開戰可能在短短的數秒內被牽媚第一個原因本習執行了我國的防空系統齊康宗指出被對岸掌握的是對海飛彈"},{"start":627.182,"end":646.016,"text":"但本席相信如果對海飛彈被掌握防空飛彈恐怕在中共的手裡這也不是秘密了。第二個請問一下部長這個國際知名期刊刊登的內容也是認知作戰嗎?"},{"start":647.197,"end":652.141,"text":"第二．如果對岸掌握是飛彈基地和機動飛彈車的動態．台灣會非常的危險．那刺蝟島難以發揮功能．國軍要怎麼樣的應對以上"},{"start":661.898,"end":681.836,"text":"這個部長來回答我想第一個就是說剛剛已經回答前面委員所詢問的就是說這個信機管理的一個重要性包括7D偽裝跟這個引力還有對於無線電信號的一個管制所以我想就這個部分我們信機管理"},{"start":684.098,"end":706.836,"text":"會列為我們一個重要演練的一個項目之一那就這個部分我們也剛剛也提到我們會加強反情報跟反沾的一個作為來看看他這個在演練的過程當中他的氣力偽裝引力跟相關的這些訊息管理是不是有到位我想這個是一個那另外您提到以色列航空的系統大概分成就是說鐵雄跟大衛斯投訴"},{"start":707.757,"end":716.704,"text":"大衛投石所這個部分是屬於中層的那建設會是屬於遠層的那我們現在確實是有分成遠中近那至於這個數量的這個部分呢我們確實會"},{"start":719.401,"end":743.709,"text":"對於飛彈的增加是至關重要所以你看以色列這麼精良的飛彈他們都要增加到3倍到5倍部長有沒有考慮我們台灣我們國防的飛彈的增加的數量有沒有更精良的然後有沒有再增加的預算"},{"start":744.426,"end":762.285,"text":"所以我們持續會依作案需求來進行規劃因為涉及到對外採購還有自主生產部分因為有一些是我們自主就可以生產的那就這個部分我們應該有規劃就是說比如說現在這個海空戰力特別提升計畫結束之後我們會再來持續再來增加好 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